| pitti | Good morning | 05:07 |
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| FJKong | when I am trying to build nautilus from source: I got this: gcc: error: @UNITY_CFLAGS@: No such file or directory | 05:22 |
| FJKong | guys, any suggestion? | 05:22 |
| didrocks | morning | 05:56 |
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| * popey sees https://sites.google.com/a/android.com/tools/recent/androidstudio0810released and looks at didrocks | 06:50 | |
| Saviq | Mirv, hey, totally off-topic, I saw you were replying to a thread about tearing in xbmc/sdl in 14.04, that should be fixed in 14.10 already shouldn't it? do you know what I'd need to set up to get vblank on intel? | 06:50 |
| didrocks | popey: canary channel man! only for my laptop (already updated :p) ;) | 06:50 |
| popey | ☻ | 06:50 |
| Mirv | Saviq: it's fixed in both 14.04 via SRU and 14.10 | 07:09 |
| Mirv | Saviq: the original problem at least | 07:09 |
| Mirv | Saviq: and I can confirm it on my 14.04 xbmc + haswell setup | 07:10 |
| Saviq | Mirv, 14.10, haswell + xbmc here, tearing :/ | 07:10 |
| * Mirv haz tear free, 24p output | 07:10 | |
| Saviq | Mirv, but it might be some configuration issue | 07:10 |
| Mirv | Saviq: :( might be config sure, too | 07:10 |
| Mirv | of course, the problem field of tear free video is sufficiently complex to have numerous problem points | 07:11 |
| Mirv | it's been borken quite a few times | 07:11 |
| Saviq | hmm glxgears is vblanked at least | 07:11 |
| * Saviq drops .xbmc | 07:11 | |
| Saviq | Mirv, thanks | 07:11 |
| Mirv | Saviq: so you go middle of nowhere but get your xbmc with you? ;) | 07:13 |
| Saviq | Mirv, I've to do *something* there don't I ;D | 07:13 |
| Mirv | hehe | 07:14 |
| willcooke | morning folks | 07:16 |
| Mirv | Saviq: my possibly relevant settings (settings level expert) system | vertical blank sync: always enabled, video | sync playback to display: off (used to be on, was useful to set off in 14.04 to get 24p output), render method: advanced shaders (glsl), decoding method: hw - enabled vaapi + mpeg-4 vaapi | 07:17 |
| Saviq | Mirv, thanks a bunch | 07:18 |
| willcooke | what hardware Mirv,saviq? Or specially, what video hardware | 07:21 |
| Mirv | willcooke: both have intel haswell. I've 14.04 and all great, Saviq has tearing on 14.10 | 07:22 |
| Saviq | willcooke, haswell, hd4000 or so | 07:22 |
| willcooke | cool | 07:22 |
| willcooke | I was playing with vlc and VA api the other day | 07:22 |
| willcooke | worked nicely, once I'd jumped through some hoops | 07:22 |
| willcooke | and to that end, I'm planning a session at our sprint to discuss getting HW accel. enabled by default for GStreamer etc | 07:23 |
| Mirv | my biggest problem on 14.04 was that screen refresh rate didn't change to match the video, but turning that sync playback to display off helped (and I tested that lips seem to still move naturally compared to the speech heard) | 07:23 |
| duflu | Saviq: Anything that's fullscreen in Ubuntu should get "unredirected" (the same thing that we call "bypass"). In Xorg this also means the app has to do wait-for-vsync. In Mir, we have no such archaic requirement :) | 07:23 |
| Mirv | willcooke: cool! it's about time to get that enabled everywhere by default. | 07:23 |
| * willcooke invites Mirv to the session ;) | 07:24 | |
| didrocks | hey willcooke | 07:24 |
| willcooke | morning didrocks | 07:24 |
| willcooke | didrocks, good ideas coming in over G+ last night | 07:24 |
| Mirv | duflu: I think compiz is probably ok, the regressions happen on x.org server+drivers, libraries when things change. like that SDL saviq originally asked me about. | 07:24 |
| Mirv | willcooke: ok :) | 07:24 |
| duflu | Mirv: Well it /should/ tear in fullscreen by design :) | 07:25 |
| duflu | Unless you disable unredirect in CCSM | 07:25 |
| didrocks | willcooke: seeing that! loving it. I want that we discuss that more in detail with stuart live, I guess some parts should be on the base platform and not in udtc itself | 07:25 |
| willcooke | didrocks, excelelnt | 07:25 |
| duflu | ... or add a blacklist entry. | 07:25 |
| * duflu now remembers what he did just before leaving the Compiz project | 07:25 | |
| didrocks | willcooke: oh, btw, not sure if you noted, but we start having volonteers and as well a lot of suggestions on the bug tracker: https://github.com/didrocks/ubuntu-developer-tools-center/issues | 07:25 |
| didrocks | volounteers* | 07:26 |
| willcooke | didrocks, awesomesauce :) | 07:26 |
| Mirv | duflu: right, but then the libraries like SDL come into play and handle the syncing | 07:27 |
| duflu | Mirv: Yeah I call it "archaic" but sometimes useful if used right. I saw a video recently where John Carmack mentioned doing the same thing on the Samsung Oculus project. | 07:29 |
| duflu | I've been thinking about giving Mir the same archaic "option" | 07:30 |
| duflu | Although Carmack's hack may only be equivalent to Mir's bypass feature. I don't know Android enough to be sure. | 07:35 |
| Saviq | Mirv, ha, seems to be something in my session, all's nice and smooth in a guest session | 07:45 |
| Saviq | Mirv, I can see the UI being quite slow here, not so in the guest session | 07:45 |
| * Saviq needs a new $HOME | 07:45 | |
| Saviq | hah, so unity being slow maybe is the same problem | 07:46 |
| duflu | Saviq: Sanity check: Is the dash still transparent/blurred when slow? | 07:51 |
| Saviq | duflu, it is, but late | 07:52 |
| Saviq | actually no, not any more, seems fine | 07:52 |
| duflu | Saviq: I think it would be opaque still if in software mode. But software mode would also explain tearing | 07:52 |
| duflu | Aha! Software mode | 07:53 |
| duflu | You have no GPU support | 07:53 |
| Saviq | duflu, hmm... glxinfo says haswell :/ | 07:53 |
| duflu | Saviq: Yes, but they're different processes. Compiz/Unity7 can choose to use software rendering while clients still probe the DRI implementation | 07:53 |
| duflu | And in fact clients can still be accelerated while Compiz/Unity is software rendering | 07:54 |
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| duflu | Just not accelerated in composition | 07:54 |
| Saviq | duflu, right, any way to check why would unity do software? and how to check? | 07:54 |
| duflu | Saviq: ~/.xsession-errors | 07:54 |
| duflu | Various users have reported spurious fallbacks to software mode. Not all explained | 07:55 |
| Saviq | duflu, hmm I might've just fixed it with dconf reset | 07:55 |
| Saviq | no | 07:55 |
| Saviq | duflu, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8325328/ | 07:57 |
| Saviq | nothing interesting in .xsession-errors | 07:57 |
| Saviq | and it seems to have been faster before I launched xbmc | 07:58 |
| Saviq | like now I'm framedropping when switching workspaces | 07:58 |
| duflu | Saviq: compiz (core) - Info: Unity is fully supported by your hardware. | 07:58 |
| Saviq | mind you, I'm on 1920x1080+1920x1200 | 07:58 |
| duflu | Saviq: Yes there are a few long outstanding performance bugs with Unity7 on multimonitor, and generally with the unity-shell plugin | 07:59 |
| duflu | Just make Unity8+Mir work :)( | 07:59 |
| Saviq | duflu, indeed | 08:01 |
| Saviq | duflu, but even if I disable the external monitor, things don't get better :/ | 08:01 |
| duflu | Saviq: I used to have to spend many hours every day to keep up with Compiz/Unity bugs. Now I'm a few years out of date, I know nothing | 08:02 |
| Saviq | duflu, actually now it did help, might be I need to restart unity to be able to get it in a working state on a single screen | 08:03 |
| Saviq | no tearing | 08:03 |
| Saviq | thanks guys | 08:03 |
| Laney | gooooooooood morning | 08:05 |
| darkxst | Hey Laney | 08:07 |
| Laney | yo darkxst | 08:11 |
| Laney | wie gehts? | 08:11 |
| darkxst | I'm good | 08:12 |
| willcooke | hey Laney | 08:12 |
| didrocks | welcome back Laney! | 08:12 |
| didrocks | hey darkxst | 08:13 |
| Laney | hey willcooke et didrocks | 08:13 |
| darkxst | hey didrocks | 08:13 |
| * didrocks likes the "et" :-) | 08:13 | |
| Laney | I trust the world broke without my input | 08:13 |
| didrocks | Laney: how were your holidays? :) | 08:13 |
| didrocks | Laney: sure, did you plan to take the week-end off? :p | 08:13 |
| willcooke | Laney, it was a close call with the GStreamer stuff :) | 08:13 |
| didrocks | oh right, the gstreamer one… | 08:14 |
| Laney | the one that was something else? | 08:14 |
| Laney | holidays were nice! | 08:14 |
| duflu | Saviq: Oh, also Xorg is incapable (by design?) of syncing to vblank on multiple monitors... | 08:15 |
| Laney | good sun, good beer, food, seaside | 08:15 |
| duflu | Not sure if that was ever fixed or fixable | 08:15 |
| Saviq | duflu, yeah, that I knew, I just wasn't able to get no tearing across a single screen | 08:15 |
| duflu | Saviq: See? Mir is so much better already | 08:16 |
| didrocks | Laney: enjoyed Portland? | 08:17 |
| Saviq | duflu, it is! | 08:17 |
| Saviq | so yeah, seems unity just can't deal with multimonitor on this GPU, either screen is fine, but both leads to degrading performance | 08:18 |
| Laney | didrocks: it's a fun place | 08:20 |
| Laney | they have some big cool forested parks | 08:20 |
| didrocks | oh nice, I didn't stay long enough to see those parks | 08:20 |
| Mirv | Saviq: note that I have only single screen attached to that haswell mini-itx pc | 08:20 |
| Mirv | makes things slightly less complicated | 08:21 |
| Saviq | Mirv, yeah indeed | 08:21 |
| Saviq | Mirv, managed to get no tearing after all, thanks | 08:21 |
| Mirv | Saviq: \o/ | 08:22 |
| Mirv | oh, I see | 08:22 |
| Mirv | restart unity after disconnecting external monitor | 08:22 |
| marga | Trevinho, after poking my users a little bit, feedback has been very positive, only one has said that they have seen the problem again after installing the packages, but I suspect they hadn't restarted the session. | 08:48 |
| marga | Trevinho, unfortunately, some of the users report that compiz crashes for them after unlocking. I have a bunch of crash files that I'll look into later today, but could it be that this change makes it more likely that compiz will crash? | 08:49 |
| Sweetshark | moin | 08:52 |
| willcooke | hey Sweetshark | 09:03 |
| Sweetshark | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81861 *sigh* already collecting some fun to look into for Ubuntu 15.04 ... | 09:07 |
| ubot5 | Freedesktop bug 81861 in Libreoffice "The "File -> Open" dialog box is broken in LO 4.4 Ubuntu's Unity" [Major,New] | 09:07 |
| Sweetshark | willcooke: heya | 09:07 |
| Sweetshark | (OTOH a really good sign that we get bug reports for something to be released in January 2015 in July 2014 -- really shows that we have decent manual test coverage now). | 09:09 |
| willcooke | +1 | 09:09 |
| willcooke | :) | 09:09 |
| Sweetshark | complain early, complain often ;) | 09:10 |
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| willcooke | chrisccoulson, lulz - Chuckle Brothers :) | 14:57 |
| chrisccoulson | hah :) | 14:58 |
| willcooke | You know how Apple have these ridiculously photogenic people in their screen shots of the Contacts in an iPhone. Well I move that Barry & Paul Chuckle should feature on the Ubuntu ones | 14:59 |
| Laney | I think we should have the desktop team doing their best smouldering | 15:16 |
| willcooke | Laney, do you have merge rights to the right places? ;) | 15:21 |
| Laney | My fingers have been known to slip from time to time | 15:21 |
| * willcooke . . o o O O ( Evil thoughts ) | 15:24 | |
| Laney | I've sometimes thought about slipping an easter egg in :-) | 15:24 |
| Laney | there are people who read the upload diffs though, spoilsports | 15:24 |
| willcooke | I remember when the desktop wallpaper got changed | 15:26 |
| willcooke | that was good lulz | 15:26 |
| Trevinho | marga: there shouldn't be many changes causing crashes, but we might have lose something (or I might, when cherry picking the changes from trunk, as most of them are already in utopic, and we didn't experience many troubles there). Anyway if you've crash files I can look at, it would be nice (although probably they're with no debug symbols). | 15:50 |
| marga | Trevinho, some are very big crash files. | 15:56 |
| marga | I'll look into them and tell you if I find anything interesting | 15:56 |
| Trevinho | marga: I seel, let me know | 15:57 |
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| Sweetshark | Oh seb128, where art thou? | 16:21 |
| willcooke_ | Sweetshark, seb's on holiday, back on Monday | 16:33 |
| Sweetshark | willcooke_: np, just wondered on how to do the next libreoffice bump. it will work out ;) | 16:40 |
| * Laney EOWs with an upload of the utopic wallpaper contest winners | 17:02 | |
| willcooke_ | Laney, you slipped in the extra one? | 17:10 |
| * willcooke_ -> EOW. toodles | 17:11 | |
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