[05:07] <pitti> Good morning
[05:22] <FJKong> when I am trying to build nautilus from source: I got this: gcc: error: @UNITY_CFLAGS@: No such file or directory
[05:22] <FJKong> guys, any suggestion?
[05:56] <didrocks> morning
[06:50]  * popey sees https://sites.google.com/a/android.com/tools/recent/androidstudio0810released and looks at didrocks 
[06:50] <Saviq> Mirv, hey, totally off-topic, I saw you were replying to a thread about tearing in xbmc/sdl in 14.04, that should be fixed in 14.10 already shouldn't it? do you know what I'd need to set up to get vblank on intel?
[06:50] <didrocks> popey: canary channel man! only for my laptop (already updated :p) ;)
[06:50] <popey> ☻
[07:09] <Mirv> Saviq: it's fixed in both 14.04 via SRU and 14.10
[07:09] <Mirv> Saviq: the original problem at least
[07:10] <Mirv> Saviq: and I can confirm it on my 14.04 xbmc + haswell setup
[07:10] <Saviq> Mirv, 14.10, haswell + xbmc here, tearing :/
[07:10]  * Mirv haz tear free, 24p output
[07:10] <Saviq> Mirv, but it might be some configuration issue
[07:10] <Mirv> Saviq: :( might be config sure, too
[07:11] <Mirv> of course, the problem field of tear free video is sufficiently complex to have numerous problem points
[07:11] <Mirv> it's been borken quite a few times
[07:11] <Saviq> hmm glxgears is vblanked at least
[07:11]  * Saviq drops .xbmc
[07:11] <Saviq> Mirv, thanks
[07:13] <Mirv> Saviq: so you go middle of nowhere but get your xbmc with you? ;)
[07:13] <Saviq> Mirv, I've to do *something* there don't I ;D
[07:14] <Mirv> hehe
[07:16] <willcooke> morning folks
[07:17] <Mirv> Saviq: my possibly relevant settings (settings level expert) system | vertical blank sync: always enabled, video | sync playback to display: off (used to be on, was useful to set off in 14.04 to get 24p output), render method: advanced shaders (glsl), decoding method: hw - enabled vaapi + mpeg-4 vaapi
[07:18] <Saviq> Mirv, thanks a bunch
[07:21] <willcooke> what hardware Mirv,saviq?  Or specially, what video hardware
[07:22] <Mirv> willcooke: both have intel haswell. I've 14.04 and all great, Saviq has tearing on 14.10
[07:22] <Saviq> willcooke, haswell, hd4000 or so
[07:22] <willcooke> cool
[07:22] <willcooke> I was playing with vlc and VA api the other day
[07:22] <willcooke> worked nicely, once I'd jumped through some hoops
[07:23] <willcooke> and to that end, I'm planning a session at our sprint to discuss getting HW accel. enabled by default for GStreamer etc
[07:23] <Mirv> my biggest problem on 14.04 was that screen refresh rate didn't change to match the video, but turning that sync playback to display off helped (and I tested that lips seem to still move naturally compared to the speech heard)
[07:23] <duflu> Saviq: Anything that's fullscreen in Ubuntu should get "unredirected" (the same thing that we call "bypass"). In Xorg this also means the app has to do wait-for-vsync. In Mir, we have no such archaic requirement :)
[07:23] <Mirv> willcooke: cool! it's about time to get that enabled everywhere by default.
[07:24]  * willcooke invites Mirv to the session ;)
[07:24] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[07:24] <willcooke> morning didrocks
[07:24] <willcooke> didrocks, good ideas coming in over G+ last night
[07:24] <Mirv> duflu: I think compiz is probably ok, the regressions happen on x.org server+drivers, libraries when things change. like that SDL saviq originally asked me about.
[07:24] <Mirv> willcooke: ok :)
[07:25] <duflu> Mirv: Well it /should/ tear in fullscreen by design :)
[07:25] <duflu> Unless you disable unredirect in CCSM
[07:25] <didrocks> willcooke: seeing that! loving it. I want that we discuss that more in detail with stuart live, I guess some parts should be on the base platform and not in udtc itself
[07:25] <willcooke> didrocks, excelelnt
[07:25] <duflu> ... or add a blacklist entry.
[07:25]  * duflu now remembers what he did just before leaving the Compiz project
[07:25] <didrocks> willcooke: oh, btw, not sure if you noted, but we start having volonteers and as well a lot of suggestions on the bug tracker: https://github.com/didrocks/ubuntu-developer-tools-center/issues
[07:26] <didrocks> volounteers*
[07:26] <willcooke> didrocks, awesomesauce :)
[07:27] <Mirv> duflu: right, but then the libraries like SDL come into play and handle the syncing
[07:29] <duflu> Mirv: Yeah I call it "archaic" but sometimes useful if used right. I saw a video recently where John Carmack mentioned doing the same thing on the Samsung Oculus project.
[07:30] <duflu> I've been thinking about giving Mir the same archaic "option"
[07:35] <duflu> Although Carmack's hack may only be equivalent to Mir's bypass feature. I don't know Android enough to be sure.
[07:45] <Saviq> Mirv, ha, seems to be something in my session, all's nice and smooth in a guest session
[07:45] <Saviq> Mirv, I can see the UI being quite slow here, not so in the guest session
[07:45]  * Saviq needs a new $HOME
[07:46] <Saviq> hah, so unity being slow maybe is the same problem
[07:51] <duflu> Saviq: Sanity check: Is the dash still transparent/blurred when slow?
[07:52] <Saviq> duflu, it is, but late
[07:52] <Saviq> actually no, not any more, seems fine
[07:52] <duflu> Saviq: I think it would be opaque still if in software mode. But software mode would also explain tearing
[07:53] <duflu> Aha! Software mode
[07:53] <duflu> You have no GPU support
[07:53] <Saviq> duflu, hmm... glxinfo says haswell :/
[07:53] <duflu> Saviq: Yes, but they're different processes. Compiz/Unity7 can choose to use software rendering while clients still probe the DRI implementation
[07:54] <duflu> And in fact clients can still be accelerated while Compiz/Unity is software rendering
[07:54] <duflu> Just not accelerated in composition
[07:54] <Saviq> duflu, right, any way to check why would unity do software? and how to check?
[07:54] <duflu> Saviq: ~/.xsession-errors
[07:55] <duflu> Various users have reported spurious fallbacks to software mode. Not all explained
[07:55] <Saviq> duflu, hmm I might've just fixed it with dconf reset
[07:55] <Saviq> no
[07:57] <Saviq> duflu, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8325328/
[07:57] <Saviq> nothing interesting in .xsession-errors
[07:58] <Saviq> and it seems to have been faster before I launched xbmc
[07:58] <Saviq> like now I'm framedropping when switching workspaces
[07:58] <duflu> Saviq: compiz (core) - Info: Unity is fully supported by your hardware.
[07:58] <Saviq> mind you, I'm on 1920x1080+1920x1200
[07:59] <duflu> Saviq: Yes there are a few long outstanding performance bugs with Unity7 on multimonitor, and generally with the unity-shell plugin
[07:59] <duflu> Just make Unity8+Mir work :)(
[08:01] <Saviq> duflu, indeed
[08:01] <Saviq> duflu, but even if I disable the external monitor, things don't get better :/
[08:02] <duflu> Saviq: I used to have to spend many hours every day to keep up with Compiz/Unity bugs. Now I'm a few years out of date, I know nothing
[08:03] <Saviq> duflu, actually now it did help, might be I need to restart unity to be able to get it in a working state on a single screen
[08:03] <Saviq> no tearing
[08:03] <Saviq> thanks guys
[08:05] <Laney> gooooooooood morning
[08:07] <darkxst> Hey Laney
[08:11] <Laney> yo darkxst
[08:11] <Laney> wie gehts?
[08:12] <darkxst> I'm good
[08:12] <willcooke> hey Laney
[08:12] <didrocks> welcome back Laney!
[08:13] <didrocks> hey darkxst
[08:13] <Laney> hey willcooke et didrocks
[08:13] <darkxst> hey didrocks
[08:13]  * didrocks likes the "et" :-)
[08:13] <Laney> I trust the world broke without my input
[08:13] <didrocks> Laney: how were your holidays? :)
[08:13] <didrocks> Laney: sure, did you plan to take the week-end off? :p
[08:13] <willcooke> Laney, it was a close call with the GStreamer stuff :)
[08:14] <didrocks> oh right, the gstreamer one…
[08:14] <Laney> the one that was something else?
[08:14] <Laney> holidays were nice!
[08:15] <duflu> Saviq: Oh, also Xorg is incapable (by design?) of syncing to vblank on multiple monitors...
[08:15] <Laney> good sun, good beer, food, seaside
[08:15] <duflu> Not sure if that was ever fixed or fixable
[08:15] <Saviq> duflu, yeah, that I knew, I just wasn't able to get no tearing across a single screen
[08:16] <duflu> Saviq: See? Mir is so much better already
[08:17] <didrocks> Laney: enjoyed Portland?
[08:17] <Saviq> duflu, it is!
[08:18] <Saviq> so yeah, seems unity just can't deal with multimonitor on this GPU, either screen is fine, but both leads to degrading performance
[08:20] <Laney> didrocks: it's a fun place
[08:20] <Laney> they have some big cool forested parks
[08:20] <didrocks> oh nice, I didn't stay long enough to see those parks
[08:20] <Mirv> Saviq: note that I have only single screen attached to that haswell mini-itx pc
[08:21] <Mirv> makes things slightly less complicated
[08:21] <Saviq> Mirv, yeah indeed
[08:21] <Saviq> Mirv, managed to get no tearing after all, thanks
[08:22] <Mirv> Saviq: \o/
[08:22] <Mirv> oh, I see
[08:22] <Mirv> restart unity after disconnecting external monitor
[08:48] <marga> Trevinho, after poking my users a little bit, feedback has been very positive, only one has said that they have seen the problem again after installing the packages, but I suspect they hadn't restarted the session.
[08:49] <marga> Trevinho, unfortunately, some of the users report that compiz crashes for them after unlocking. I have a bunch of crash files that I'll look into later today, but could it be that this change makes it more likely that compiz will crash?
[08:52] <Sweetshark> moin
[09:03] <willcooke> hey Sweetshark
[09:07] <Sweetshark> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81861 *sigh* already collecting some fun to look into for Ubuntu 15.04 ...
[09:07] <Sweetshark> willcooke: heya
[09:09] <Sweetshark> (OTOH a really good sign that we get bug reports for something to be released in January 2015 in July 2014 -- really shows that we have decent manual test coverage now).
[09:09] <willcooke> +1
[09:09] <willcooke> :)
[09:10] <Sweetshark> complain early, complain often ;)
[14:57] <willcooke> chrisccoulson, lulz - Chuckle Brothers :)
[14:58] <chrisccoulson> hah :)
[14:59] <willcooke> You know how Apple have these ridiculously photogenic people in their screen shots of the Contacts in an iPhone.  Well I move that Barry & Paul Chuckle should feature on the Ubuntu ones
[15:16] <Laney> I think we should have the desktop team doing their best smouldering
[15:21] <willcooke> Laney, do you have merge rights to the right places? ;)
[15:21] <Laney> My fingers have been known to slip from time to time
[15:24]  * willcooke . . o o O O ( Evil thoughts )
[15:24] <Laney> I've sometimes thought about slipping an easter egg in :-)
[15:24] <Laney> there are people who read the upload diffs though, spoilsports
[15:26] <willcooke> I remember when the desktop wallpaper got changed
[15:26] <willcooke> that was good lulz
[15:50] <Trevinho> marga: there shouldn't be many changes causing crashes, but we might have lose something (or I might, when cherry picking the changes from trunk, as most of them are already in utopic, and we didn't experience many troubles there). Anyway if you've crash files I can look at, it would be nice (although probably they're with no debug symbols).
[15:56] <marga> Trevinho, some are very big crash files.
[15:56] <marga> I'll look into them and tell you if I find anything interesting
[15:57] <Trevinho> marga: I seel, let me know
[16:21] <Sweetshark> Oh seb128, where art thou?
[16:33] <willcooke_> Sweetshark, seb's on holiday, back on Monday
[16:40] <Sweetshark> willcooke_: np, just wondered on how to do the next libreoffice bump. it will work out ;)
[17:02]  * Laney EOWs with an upload of the utopic wallpaper contest winners
[17:10] <willcooke_> Laney, you slipped in the extra one?
[17:11]  * willcooke_ -> EOW.  toodles