| darkxst | Noskcaj, http://pastebin.com/JYLWEBse | 00:06 |
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| darkxst | Noskcaj, also drop r12788, apart from being empty, its not needed | 00:06 |
| darkxst | also pushed a small update to the g-s-d patch | 00:07 |
| Noskcaj | Did you just want to do the u-c-c/u-s-d stuff yourself, since you understand it? | 06:30 |
| Noskcaj | I could, but i'd need like 5 attempts | 06:30 |
| darkxst | Noskcaj,you u-s-d branch looks fine, you just need to re-do with the updated patch from my ppa | 07:59 |
| darkxst | u-c-c add the patch I sent you and probably a binary dep on logind | 08:00 |
| darkxst | I need to redo merges for g-s-d/g-c-c (for gnome-desktop transition) which is going to take quite some time I suspect | 08:01 |
| darkxst | Noskcaj, also can you put out a CFT and prepare FFe paperwork for upower | 08:02 |
| darkxst | (I've only tested the gnome stuff) | 08:02 |
| Noskcaj | yep, will do. I'll hopefully have time sunday morning, as i've got stuff to do tonight, and a soccer grand final to play tomorrow | 08:36 |
| darkxst | Noskcaj, ok thanks! and good luck! | 08:37 |
| Noskcaj | thanks | 08:37 |
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| Noskcaj | darkxst, I'm starting to think we've went to late for the transition, especially since xfce and mate aren't 100% ready | 10:23 |
| darkxst | Noskcaj, they arent? | 10:24 |
| knome | darkxst, there's no way to predict all implications on everything using upower | 10:24 |
| Noskcaj | and some guys in mate are worried that systemd-shim might not be enough for some of their stuff | 10:25 |
| darkxst | knome, I can predict the implications, based on the upower changes | 10:25 |
| knome | darkxst, no you can't. | 10:26 |
| darkxst | Noskcaj, how exactly does systemd-shim even come into this conversation? | 10:26 |
| knome | darkxst, i understand the upower change is part of you wanting to land a new version of GNOME. what other packages that might affect us are changing? | 10:26 |
| Noskcaj | suspend is dropped in upower, uses systemd | 10:26 |
| darkxst | knome, the upower api changes are pretty simple, small changes in the signals could I suppose slip through but easily fixed | 10:28 |
| darkxst | knome, only other disruptive FFe we are planning is gnome-desktop, but don't think that would affect xfce | 10:29 |
| knome | darkxst, "I suppose could slip through" doesn't make me very assured that it's wise to land the change | 10:29 |
| Noskcaj | i have to go now, bye | 10:29 |
| knome | darkxst, did you talk with the release team already? | 10:30 |
| knome | landing a new DE version after FF isn't really a small thing | 10:31 |
| knome | considering there *might* be implications to others, especially with the upower chane | 10:31 |
| knome | +g | 10:31 |
| knome | and tbh, the freeze dates are there for a reason... they are just not technical, they are also social | 10:32 |
| knome | *not just | 10:32 |
| darkxst | knome, yes I know all about freezes, nearly all our work has to land after freeze, since we are generally blocked all cycle by u-desktop work | 10:33 |
| knome | is there a public blueprint for the changes you plan to land after FF? | 10:34 |
| darkxst | knome, no, the only thing that really might affect anyone else though is upower | 10:40 |
| knome | i'm not assured about that. | 10:41 |
| darkxst | knome, gnome-desktop only affects unity afaik | 10:44 |
| knome | at least i will expect you to file the FFe bug, list all packages that will be changing and so on | 10:44 |
| knome | and by you i mean i would prefer if you filed it, not make Noskcaj file it | 10:44 |
| darkxst | knome, we already have a bug tracking the upower transistion, Noskcaj will add the FFe paperwork, then I will review that and add any missing bits | 10:47 |
| knome | darkxst, i'm sad that you make others do the dirty laundry for you; why won't you file the bug yourself? | 10:48 |
| darkxst | knome, its called delegation! I can't possibly do everything myself! | 10:49 |
| knome | sure, but you are responsible that the FFe goes smoothly, not Noskcaj | 10:49 |
| darkxst | knome, yes, and Noskcaj is great a packaging and what not, where as I am more a coder, if things break I will make patches to fix | 10:54 |
| knome | darkxst, i'm not talking about doing the packaging work, i'm talking about taking the social responsibility | 10:54 |
| darkxst | knome, bug 1330037, noskcaj filed that and not about to file a new bug just to get my name against it. | 10:56 |
| ubot5 | bug 1330037 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "upower 0.99 transition" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1330037 | 10:56 |
| knome | that's of course irreversible, but i'm talking about the whole process. | 10:57 |
| darkxst | knome, and believe me, release team know I follow up on these things | 10:57 |
| knome | that we will see | 10:58 |
| knome | darkxst, i guess my point is: think how the way you have been preparing the changes looks to us | 11:04 |
| knome | we have no information about what's going to land, we have no direct contact with you even if a package upload affects us | 11:05 |
| knome | and to top that off, it's already past FF and you are planning to land a new DE version | 11:05 |
| darkxst | knome, all the changes are from upstream, apart from ubuntu stuff | 11:05 |
| darkxst | knome, upower is not a DE | 11:06 |
| knome | yes, but the decision to land it after FF in ubuntu is yours, not upstreams | 11:06 |
| knome | gnome-desktop is | 11:06 |
| darkxst | knome, no it is not a DE either | 11:06 |
| knome | i understand you want new features in, but i'm not sure if after FF really is the only place when you can do that | 11:07 |
| darkxst | gnome-desktop is a library that is a bit mixed up, the stuff apps use like thumbnailers etc is largely unchanged | 11:07 |
| knome | are you even trying to understand? | 11:08 |
| darkxst | the rest of it that only affects unity has been blocked for ~9months now, Bug 1228765 | 11:08 |
| ubot5 | bug 1228765 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Implement DisplayConfig dbus interface and transition to gnome-desktop 3.10" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1228765 | 11:09 |
| darkxst | knome, its not like we just decided to land that now | 11:09 |
| knome | maybe being past the FF is a signal that you are too late for 14.10 | 11:09 |
| darkxst | knome, if that was the case we would never land anything ;( | 11:10 |
| knome | if it is not too late, what are freezes for then? | 11:10 |
| * knome shrugs | 11:11 | |
| darkxst | knome, we have a massive overlap with ubuntu-desktop | 11:11 |
| darkxst | and each cycle we are blocked waiting on them to do stuff, (and that is even worse now -touch is about) | 11:12 |
| knome | that sounds like another social issue to be solved | 11:12 |
| darkxst | how is that social? | 11:12 |
| knome | working in a way that allows both parties to move forward and discuss changes as you go so u-g doesn't have to land all their stuff after FF? | 11:13 |
| darkxst | knome, we work closely with ubuntu-desktop, but its just not their priority | 11:28 |
| darkxst | knome, I have to run now anyway, will be back later | 11:29 |
| knome | i understand that, but that doesn't mean there isn't a problem... (and i feel for you for that) | 11:30 |
| knome | have a nice day! | 11:30 |
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