[00:06] Noskcaj, http://pastebin.com/JYLWEBse [00:06] Noskcaj, also drop r12788, apart from being empty, its not needed [00:07] also pushed a small update to the g-s-d patch [06:30] Did you just want to do the u-c-c/u-s-d stuff yourself, since you understand it? [06:30] I could, but i'd need like 5 attempts [07:59] Noskcaj,you u-s-d branch looks fine, you just need to re-do with the updated patch from my ppa [08:00] u-c-c add the patch I sent you and probably a binary dep on logind [08:01] I need to redo merges for g-s-d/g-c-c (for gnome-desktop transition) which is going to take quite some time I suspect [08:02] Noskcaj, also can you put out a CFT and prepare FFe paperwork for upower [08:02] (I've only tested the gnome stuff) [08:36] yep, will do. I'll hopefully have time sunday morning, as i've got stuff to do tonight, and a soccer grand final to play tomorrow [08:37] Noskcaj, ok thanks! and good luck! [08:37] thanks === prth is now known as prth|away [10:23] darkxst, I'm starting to think we've went to late for the transition, especially since xfce and mate aren't 100% ready [10:24] Noskcaj, they arent? [10:24] darkxst, there's no way to predict all implications on everything using upower [10:25] and some guys in mate are worried that systemd-shim might not be enough for some of their stuff [10:25] knome, I can predict the implications, based on the upower changes [10:26] darkxst, no you can't. [10:26] Noskcaj, how exactly does systemd-shim even come into this conversation? [10:26] darkxst, i understand the upower change is part of you wanting to land a new version of GNOME. what other packages that might affect us are changing? [10:26] suspend is dropped in upower, uses systemd [10:28] knome, the upower api changes are pretty simple, small changes in the signals could I suppose slip through but easily fixed [10:29] knome, only other disruptive FFe we are planning is gnome-desktop, but don't think that would affect xfce [10:29] darkxst, "I suppose could slip through" doesn't make me very assured that it's wise to land the change [10:29] i have to go now, bye [10:30] darkxst, did you talk with the release team already? [10:31] landing a new DE version after FF isn't really a small thing [10:31] considering there *might* be implications to others, especially with the upower chane [10:31] +g [10:32] and tbh, the freeze dates are there for a reason... they are just not technical, they are also social [10:32] *not just [10:33] knome, yes I know all about freezes, nearly all our work has to land after freeze, since we are generally blocked all cycle by u-desktop work [10:34] is there a public blueprint for the changes you plan to land after FF? [10:40] knome, no, the only thing that really might affect anyone else though is upower [10:41] i'm not assured about that. [10:44] knome, gnome-desktop only affects unity afaik [10:44] at least i will expect you to file the FFe bug, list all packages that will be changing and so on [10:44] and by you i mean i would prefer if you filed it, not make Noskcaj file it [10:47] knome, we already have a bug tracking the upower transistion, Noskcaj will add the FFe paperwork, then I will review that and add any missing bits [10:48] darkxst, i'm sad that you make others do the dirty laundry for you; why won't you file the bug yourself? [10:49] knome, its called delegation! I can't possibly do everything myself! [10:49] sure, but you are responsible that the FFe goes smoothly, not Noskcaj [10:54] knome, yes, and Noskcaj is great a packaging and what not, where as I am more a coder, if things break I will make patches to fix [10:54] darkxst, i'm not talking about doing the packaging work, i'm talking about taking the social responsibility [10:56] knome, bug 1330037, noskcaj filed that and not about to file a new bug just to get my name against it. [10:56] bug 1330037 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "upower 0.99 transition" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1330037 [10:57] that's of course irreversible, but i'm talking about the whole process. [10:57] knome, and believe me, release team know I follow up on these things [10:58] that we will see [11:04] darkxst, i guess my point is: think how the way you have been preparing the changes looks to us [11:05] we have no information about what's going to land, we have no direct contact with you even if a package upload affects us [11:05] and to top that off, it's already past FF and you are planning to land a new DE version [11:05] knome, all the changes are from upstream, apart from ubuntu stuff [11:06] knome, upower is not a DE [11:06] yes, but the decision to land it after FF in ubuntu is yours, not upstreams [11:06] gnome-desktop is [11:06] knome, no it is not a DE either [11:07] i understand you want new features in, but i'm not sure if after FF really is the only place when you can do that [11:07] gnome-desktop is a library that is a bit mixed up, the stuff apps use like thumbnailers etc is largely unchanged [11:08] are you even trying to understand? [11:08] the rest of it that only affects unity has been blocked for ~9months now, Bug 1228765 [11:09] bug 1228765 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Implement DisplayConfig dbus interface and transition to gnome-desktop 3.10" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1228765 [11:09] knome, its not like we just decided to land that now [11:09] maybe being past the FF is a signal that you are too late for 14.10 [11:10] knome, if that was the case we would never land anything ;( [11:10] if it is not too late, what are freezes for then? [11:11] * knome shrugs [11:11] knome, we have a massive overlap with ubuntu-desktop [11:12] and each cycle we are blocked waiting on them to do stuff, (and that is even worse now -touch is about) [11:12] that sounds like another social issue to be solved [11:12] how is that social? [11:13] working in a way that allows both parties to move forward and discuss changes as you go so u-g doesn't have to land all their stuff after FF? [11:28] knome, we work closely with ubuntu-desktop, but its just not their priority [11:29] knome, I have to run now anyway, will be back later [11:30] i understand that, but that doesn't mean there isn't a problem... (and i feel for you for that) [11:30] have a nice day! === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash === prth|away is now known as prth === prth is now known as prth|away === clayfreeman_ is now known as clayfreeman === yofel_ is now known as yofel === swiss is now known as Guest59301 === thomasb9511|Away is now known as thomasb9511 === thomasb9511 is now known as Guest40593 === Chrisfu- is now known as Chrisfu === Guest59301 is now known as swiss === swiss is now known as Guest69802 === Guest69802 is now known as swiss