[00:04] <ali1234> hah! ipv6
[00:05] <shauno> we've created a monster
[00:05] <ali1234> hey shauno
[00:05] <shauno> morning
[00:05] <ali1234> while i was fiddling around the raid died
[00:06] <ali1234> we had to get a new hard drive put in, and the other drive had enough bad blocks to corrupt the OS
[00:06] <shauno> I'm quite glad I'm not one of your computers
[00:06] <ali1234> then we had to reinstall... so now we've got working ipv6 at least
[00:06] <daftykins> XD
[00:06] <ali1234> now i just have to set verything up again :)
[00:07] <daftykins> why weren't the bad blocks spotted prior in some kinda RAID health report 0o
[00:07] <diddledan> iplayer thinks I'm foreign again
[00:07] <daftykins> diddledan: perhaps they've yet to geoIP the 'amazing' variant of stoke ;D
[00:07] <shauno> we finally get to deport dan?
[00:08] <ali1234> daftykins: cos the mails go to /var/mail/root and who reads that?
[00:10] <daftykins> lol
[00:11] <daftykins> urgh it really annoys me when a dynamic DNS service doesn't seem to be functioning
[00:13] <shauno> I just don't do dynamic dns.  once, I tried to do it on bind9 with apple 'global bonjour' pushing updates.  I'm still not quite the same person I was before that.
[00:13] <diddledan> daftykins: as in the service providing dynamic dns or the service the ddns hostname points to?
[00:14] <daftykins> well, i get a timeout trying to SSH to a client's box, that's all i truly know
[00:14] <diddledan> aah
[00:15] <daftykins> i haven't quite gotten around to getting them to pay for no-ip, so he forwards me the renew emails instead
[00:15] <daftykins> i got one just the other day and did the captcha, but oddly it doesn't seem to be around
[00:15] <daftykins> i might just be doing something silly, my heads not quite right since the accident still :/
[00:15] <daftykins> i need to start taking notes of clients setups such as port configs, so i don't rely on my memory
[01:32] <diddledan> anyone around who knows about floppies?
[01:32] <diddledan> specifically really ancient 360KB 5.25inchers
[01:32] <ali1234> a bit
[01:32] <diddledan> ubuntu 14.04.1 won't recognise them
[01:33] <daftykins> lol
[01:33] <diddledan> I can correctly boot off an msdos disk but ubuntu won't mount the same disk stating that fd0 isn't a valid block device
[01:33] <ali1234> it might be a usb device
[01:34] <diddledan> o_O
[01:34] <diddledan> what would usb have to do with things?
[01:34] <ali1234> motherboard chipsets don't have floppy drive controllers built in any more
[01:34] <diddledan> this motherboard does tho
[01:35] <diddledan> you can't get usb adapters for 5.25inch drives
[01:35] <ali1234> well, quite
[01:53] <ali1234> did the mysql password hashing change between ubuntu 12.04 and 14.04?
[02:53] <diddledan> ali1234: it might have, tho I would expect any older password hashes would still be supported for auth
[02:53] <ali1234> nope
[02:54] <ali1234> got to reset all the passwords
[02:54] <diddledan> grr
[07:09] <popey> [A
[07:09] <popey> Morning
[07:25] <diplo> Morning
[07:29] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:30] <DJones> I'll make up the quorum and confirm it is Morning
[07:48] <smittix> Well that game idea hit a brick wall.
[07:50] <popey> game idea?
[07:52] <smittix> heh http://fpaste.org/132930/14104688/
[07:52] <smittix> Was messing around with Python
[07:53] <popey> heeh
[07:53] <popey> I was playing with an HTML5 game creator thing recently
[07:53] <smittix> I just sat there last night bored so started creating that. It'd look quite good in that old terminal application.
[07:54] <smittix> I will have to add the games list and what not and see what to do from there. May have to watch the movie again.
[08:16] <popey> Happy birthday JamesTait
[08:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Stand Up To Cancer Day! :-D
[08:18] <marxjohnson> I've just turned my laptop on to find it's treating the keyboard as US layout, even though it's set to UK
[08:19] <JamesTait> I read an e-mail thread about that recently, that I think suggested there was a bug.
[08:20] <JamesTait> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2014-September/037881.html
[08:23] <marxjohnson> aha, cheers
[08:23] <marxjohnson> I'm doing a dist-upgrade now so we'll see if that fixes it...
[08:53] <marxjohnson> Hrm nope still not right.
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/12/glossary-internet-4chan-lolcats-buzzfeed-zynga
[08:59] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Hmmh "IRC – internet relay chat, the protocol that allows IMs" So thats what IRC is.... Think it misses the point
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> DJones: well, it's the original IM :)
[09:01] <DJones> I can understand that argument, but does seem to understate what it actually is
[09:02] <MartijnVdS> True, but it's an article for "normal" people :)
[09:03] <DJones> I still think they'd have been better describing IRC as an instant messaging service using the multiplayer notepad system
[09:24] <DJones> Hah, Pressgazette launches petition to stop authorities "spying" on journalists phone records.........Seems a bit like the pot calling the kettle black
[10:36] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:36] <bigcalm> Email from my VPS
[10:36] <bigcalm> /etc/cron.daily/apt:
[10:36] <bigcalm> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[10:36] <bigcalm> I don't think that's a happy result
[10:36] <Laney> the dying cry of an apt in distress
[10:37] <Laney> where's your super cow powers now? huh?
[10:39] <SuperMatt> I found a server the other day where crond hadn't started for months
[10:40] <SuperMatt> didn't come back after a reboot either
[10:40]  * bigcalm scratches his head
[10:40] <SuperMatt> stragely it started fine when I ran the init script
[10:40]  * popey looks for a good onion soup recipe. i haz too many onions
[10:41] <bigcalm> I have MariaDB installed on my VPS. Just done a dist-upgrade and it's warning me that it's going to migrate the config from MySQL. Most odd
[10:41] <bigcalm> popey: toasted cheese and onion sandwiches
[10:41] <popey> i have cheddar and edam, so that's a possibility
[10:41] <bigcalm> popey: caramelised onions
[10:42] <bigcalm> 6 large red onions makes for a good batch of caramelised onions
[10:43] <bigcalm> Anybody here running Ubuntu 14.04.1 on a 32bit machine?
[10:44] <bigcalm> I'm getting this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8326169/
[10:48] <popey> bug 1320563
[10:49] <bigcalm> Ta
[10:49]  * bigcalm reads
[10:51] <bigcalm> Yep, Bytemark use a KVM kernel
[10:51] <bigcalm> Now to see if they have a kernel close to 3.13.0
[10:52] <bigcalm> Oh
[10:52] <bigcalm> uname says that it's using 3.2.60
[10:54] <bigcalm> Humg
[10:54] <bigcalm> Humf
[10:55] <bigcalm> The highest the VPS has to offer is 3.4.92
[10:57] <bigcalm> Well, that worked
[10:57] <bigcalm> popey: thanks
[10:58] <popey> np
[11:16] <SuperMatt> for some strange reason, I can't load the gnome-shell control panel
[11:16] <SuperMatt> what's the process name for that?
[11:17] <davmor2> SuperMatt: I don't know I don't use gnome-shell
[11:18] <SuperMatt> looks like gnome-control-center was uninstalled somehow
[11:19]  * brobostigon has been using gnome3 for ages now.
[11:20] <SuperMatt> I started using it at work because our dual screen 19" monitors + cruddy graphics cards meant that unity ran slow
[11:23] <SuperMatt> I'm now thinking of moving to opensuse factory so I can have a rolling release, and therefore get the new versions of gnome quicker
[11:40] <foobarry> have you used opensuse before? i found it ....odd
[11:40] <foobarry> and buggy and annoying
[11:40] <SuperMatt> I put it on my home desktop last night
[11:40] <SuperMatt> I think factory has a space for me because it's rolling and because it's quite solid
[11:40] <SuperMatt> and it uses yum which I know well
[11:41] <SuperMatt> I don't know pacman enough to use arch
[11:42] <foobarry> it also uses that weird yast crap
[11:42] <foobarry> i really wanted to like it but hated it
[11:43] <foobarry> it should be intuitive to switch distros but this wasn't, even though the DE was the same
[11:43] <foobarry> maybe its changed in a few years since i tried
[11:44] <foobarry> actually last one i tried would even boot on my machine!
[11:44] <foobarry> *not
[11:45] <SuperMatt> I find opensuse interesting because it seems to lie between the rhel and debian ways of doing things
[11:45] <SuperMatt> I just want to find out if they're taking the best things of each
[11:51] <nigelb> Happy Birthday JamesTait!
[11:53] <JamesTait> THanks, nigelb. :)
[11:54] <nigelb> Or should I say, happy JamesTait day :D
[11:56] <JamesTait> Oooh, that sounds scary!
[11:57] <foobarry> wondering if i can justify buying a picture book for ~£35
[11:58] <popey> a wat?
[11:58] <foobarry> a book. printed one. with art in it
[11:59] <JamesTait> A bookbook!
[11:59] <foobarry> because my stupid/lovely library doesn't stock them
[12:00] <JamesTait> http://youtu.be/MOXQo7nURs0
[12:00] <foobarry> there's about 3 i want, so ideally i need to find a bookbookshop to peruse and browse
[12:01] <foobarry> but only central london would have that variety :(
[12:05] <intrbiz> foobarry: I use openSUSE, which version did you try?
[12:07] <foobarry>  You can place a reservation for stock held within this London Libraries Consortium [LLC] catalogue for free
[12:07] <foobarry> oh cool
[12:07] <foobarry> intrbiz: 5yrs ago :D
[12:07] <intrbiz> ah ok
[12:07] <foobarry> maybe 2011
[12:07] <intrbiz> 11.x then I guess
[12:08] <intrbiz> yum is no more in suse, replaced with zypper
[12:09] <foobarry> yes, i had zypper and yast to deal with
[12:09] <foobarry> i never saw yum inside suse
[12:09] <intrbiz> zypper is probably the best package manager around
[12:09] <foobarry> "A 40p fee is payable for requesting an item". when is free not free?
[12:09] <intrbiz> yast is interesting, it's been rewritten in 13.1 +
[12:10] <intrbiz> ported to ruby
[12:10] <foobarry> also the firewall config sucks royally on suse
[12:10] <intrbiz> yup, that is easily fixed with: zypper in shorewall
[12:11] <foobarry> had to make a change on a VM appliance made with suse factory thing
[12:11] <foobarry> fw was hideous
[12:11] <intrbiz> haha
[12:12] <intrbiz> mageia had a very good FW setup and tools
[12:13] <foobarry> i tend to use more standard distro as i use them in enterprise too
[12:14] <foobarry> rhel/centos/ubuntu/debian
[12:14] <intrbiz> sure, I've drifted away from mageia, mainly use openSUSE with some centos / debian / ubuntu as needed
[12:18] <foobarry> whats the old name for mageia again?
[12:19] <intrbiz> Mandrake -> Mandriva -> Mageia
[12:19] <intrbiz> Mandriva was when Mandrake merged with Conectiva and a legal case forced a name change
[12:20] <intrbiz> Mageia was the community fork
[12:20] <intrbiz> there is also OpenMandriva, which doesn't seem to have much traction
[12:32] <foobarry> heh
[13:01] <bigcalm> intrbiz: mobile internet still more reliable than your home connection eh?
[13:19] <intrbiz> bigcalm: certainly faster in an area with good coverage
[13:24] <diddledan> now. a floppy drive that works fine via bios to boot a floppy (5.25inch 360KB drive) seems to io error on ubuntu 14.04
[13:25] <diddledan> dmesg correctly reports that the floppy drive is a 360KB unit
[13:26] <diddledan> but dmesg says there's io error when trying to mount it
[13:26] <bigcalm> Wow, having fun with old hardware there
[13:27] <diddledan> bigcalm: yeah, I want to archive all my hundreds of floppies
[13:27] <diddledan> before the hardware to access them completely disappears off the planet
[14:30]  * bigcalm tickles christel :)
[14:35] <diddledan> bigcalm: you flirty
[14:36] <diddledan> --y
[14:37] <christel> hello bigcalm :)
[15:09] <davmor2> christel: hello ;)
[15:09] <davmor2> :) even
[17:10] <diddledan> I've got my floppy mounted!
[17:11] <diddledan> \o/
[17:11] <intrbiz> diddledan: is it USB?
[17:11] <diddledan> I had to tell the kernel that the disk change line doesn't exist
[17:11] <diddledan> intrbiz: no
[17:12] <diddledan> intrbiz: it's an old 5.25 inch 360KB unit
[17:13] <intrbiz> sure, just wondered how you were connecting it
[17:14] <bigcalm> I assume via an old mobo with a FD interface
[17:14] <diddledan> direct to the mobo's fdc
[17:14] <diddledan> you can't get usb connected 5.25 drives or adapters
[17:16] <intrbiz> don't 5.25" and 3.5" drives share the same bus
[17:16] <diddledan> yes they do
[17:17] <diddledan> but your controller chip needs to know how to drive it
[17:17] <diddledan> usb adapters for 3.5inch drives don't have the smarts to drive an older drive
[17:18] <intrbiz> ok
[17:18] <diddledan> floppy isn't the same as hdd - you need to specify exactly where the head should position itself via the protocol - you can't just say "I want block x" instead you say "move head to position 152 and spin the disk to 270degrees
[17:20] <diddledan> it's for this very capability that copyprotection methods could be created which rely on a spiral track instead of a circular track as is normal
[17:31] <ali1234> PC controller chips don't know how to read spiral floppies tho
[17:32] <ali1234> which is why they can't read amiga disks etc, even though the drive hardware is identical
[17:50] <diddledan> it's working nicely now with the disk change line disabled
[17:51] <diddledan> getting lots of usable data off these floppies now
[18:02] <shauno> I'm almost curious what you're keeping on 5.25" disks that you'd still call usable :p
[20:46] <Giulianoc> Hello I have a ibm x31 thinkpad with ubuntu 10.10 ,Can you help to nstall xubuntu 12.04 , please?
[20:50] <diddledan> oh golly that's ancient
[20:51] <diddledan> that's gonna be a pain to bring up-to-date without wiping and starting anew
[20:53] <Giulianoc> I do not have a problem to wipe the system since I cannot run any update through the update manager and install the 12.04 -14.04 Ubuntus os because not syupported pae
[20:53] <Giulianoc> Hence xubuntu 12.04
[20:58] <ali1234> is there a tool that will format mysqldump output so it isn't all one line and i can grep it?
[21:00] <diddledan> ali1234: mysqldump can be told not to do that
[21:00] <ali1234> too late for that now :(
[21:00] <Giulianoc> Thanks for your prompt response, apology but I do not understand the question:format mysqldump output so it isn't all one line and i can grep it?
[21:02] <daftykins> Giulianoc: backup your data and clean install
[21:02] <diddledan> ali1234: for the future you can add --skip-extended-insert to the mysqldump commandline - I guess if it's not humungous you could import it into a blank db and re-export it?
[21:02] <ali1234> yeah the thing is it isn't importing properly
[21:02] <ali1234> that's what i'm trying to fix
[21:04] <ali1234> i have a set of daily, weekly, monthly backups and i am tryin to figure out which ones are okay and which ones are bad
[21:04] <ali1234> and why half the tables disappeared
[21:06] <Giulianoc> how?
[21:08] <Azelphur> Does anyone know (or know anyone who would know) how to add custom emblems to nautilus, for the purposes of a nautilus plugin?
[21:08] <Azelphur> the documentation is useless :(
[21:09] <ali1234> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10874702/gnome-where-does-nautilus-store-emblem-data-and-how
[21:09] <Azelphur> ali1234: ty :)
[21:30] <Giulianoc> Does anyone know how create a pae, please?
[21:30] <Azelphur> create a pae? physical address extension?
[21:30] <Azelphur> what are you actually trying to do? the question doesn't make much sense
[21:32] <Giulianoc> on my ubuntu version 10.10 I cannot install any new system because my pc x31 ib,m thinkpad has no pae
[21:32] <Giulianoc> yes create a pae ty
[21:34] <Giulianoc> or have an os ubuntu that does need one
[21:41] <Giulianoc> please help
[22:33] <diddledan> WHEEEEE