[07:28] <elfy> morning
[08:40] <Noskcaj> elfy, DId you get the chance to test ppa:noskcaj/upower?
[08:40] <elfy> Noskcaj: have you read the backlog at all?
[08:40] <Noskcaj> Not really, i lose 6 hours of it when i disconnect, so it's hard to
[08:40] <elfy> heh
[08:40] <elfy> hang on 
[08:41] <elfy> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/09/11/%23xubuntu-devel.html
[08:42] <elfy> we discussed this a fair bit yesterday - the most important bit is at 14:25
[08:42] <elfy> are there any FFe's for this yet?
[08:44] <Noskcaj> no, not the ppa is near done, ill make the FFe on sunday (busy with stuff like a soccer grand final till then)
[08:44] <Noskcaj> *now
[08:44] <elfy> so the FFe is going to be even later
[08:46] <Noskcaj> yeah :(
[08:47] <Noskcaj> We were waiting for some phone guys to be ready (i.e. this month)
[08:47] <elfy> mmm
[08:47] <Noskcaj> And xfce is the only DE that isn't completely ready upstream
[08:47] <elfy> and?
[08:49] <elfy> to quote knome "	it's plain *wrong* to *start* *planning* a *new version* upload *after* the *FF*"
[08:50] <Noskcaj> the plan was started as soon as 3.12 released
[08:50] <Noskcaj> It's just phone guys were busy
[08:50] <Noskcaj> and debian hadn't done it till the start of august
[08:51] <elfy> Noskcaj: where are the discussions about this - we tried to find some yesterday, but apart from a couple of random comments in -gnome we couldn't find anything
[08:51] <Noskcaj> Which consisted of "fix it if it breaks" from the utopia team to most of the smaller packaging teams
[08:54] <Noskcaj> There's not a huge lot, mostly just darkxst and i looking at stuff months back
[08:54] <Noskcaj> then hoping the ubuntu-core and -phone guys would have time sooner
[08:54] <knome> Noskcaj, the whole issue is really badly planned and executed
[08:54] <Noskcaj> yep
[08:55] <knome> so then stop driving the FFe train
[08:55] <Noskcaj> unity makes this stuff *really* hard
[08:56] <Noskcaj> I'm only going to keep driving if it's ok will xubuntu, ad as it doesn't look like it, i think gnome will be at 3.8/3.6 a while longer
[08:56] <knome> at this point of the cycle, it really isn't okay
[09:27] <Luyin> elfy: are you here?
[09:27] <Luyin> btw, hi room
[09:49] <Luyin> morning, slickymasterWork 
[09:49] <knome> Luyin, if you have a QA-related question, just shoot
[09:50] <Luyin> knome: already solved it, thanks ;)
[09:50] <qwebirc769355> hey Luyin, what's up?
[09:52] <Luyin> qwebirc769355: I was going to ask a question about translating, but I resolved it. just looked around the launchpad pages and got used to how everything works
[09:53] <qwebirc769355> great. Don't forget, we're always around, so don't hesitate to poke us whenever you're having doubts
[09:53] <qwebirc769355> and thanks for steping in and helpi
[10:02] <Luyin> isn't there a german localisation mailing list? https://lists.ubuntu.com/#Development+Lists
[10:06] <slickymasterWork> Luyin: would this be what you're looking for -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGermanTranslators/Mithelfen#Weitere_Anforderungen
[10:14] <Luyin> slickymaster: looks good
[10:14] <Luyin> thanks
[10:25] <slickymasterWork> damn connectivity
[10:25] <knome> ;)
[10:28] <elfy> Luyin: what's up?
[10:29] <knome> elfy, #ubuntu-gnome
[10:29] <Luyin> elfy: I've started translating the xubu documentation, but my questions were resolved by looking at the launchpad page :)
[10:30] <elfy> Luyin: okey doke
[10:30] <elfy> knome: what about it?
[10:30] <knome> discussion about the FFe stuff
[10:30] <elfy> oh - I'll check logs later
[10:30] <elfy> ta
[11:09] <elfy> knome: read - thnanks
[11:24] <brainwash> bluesabre: xfce4-settings includes a custom patch which changes the gtk and icon theme, but the dependencies are missing (non xubuntu)
[11:24] <brainwash> bluesabre: did you agree that this should be fixed?
[11:25] <brainwash> bug 1322305
[11:25] <brainwash> would also fix bug 1050012
[11:26] <brainwash> and maybe bug 1157706
[11:33] <Luyin> ok, enough translations for today. I'm off, cul8er
[11:55] <bluesabre> brainwash: yes, if we patch it for a different theme, but don't expect that theme to exist, its an issue
[11:55] <bluesabre> I'll check it out this weekedn
[11:55] <bluesabre> time for work, bbl
[20:19] <Noskcaj> knome, Can you make a comment on the upower transition bug, so the release team see your views?
[20:30] <Unit193> ochosi: I believe that's more for you, XTL ^
[20:32] <Noskcaj> true, just knome's the one who has been talking to darkxst
[20:33] <Unit193> Indeed, XPL has been a little busy as of late.
[20:59] <elfy> shame we can't wait months to do that - like gnome did
[21:00] <Unit193> On the one hand, yeah that's pretty crappy to wait until after FF to land upower and the entire DE, but on the other hand I do get them being stalled by unity, we've had that problem and we're attached less than they are.  Still not sure why the upower part couldn't be pushed sooner though...
[21:03] <Noskcaj> elfy, All our months were taken by debian xfce
[21:04] <Noskcaj> Unit193, Because it broke ubuntu-touch until the start of this month
[21:04] <elfy> our months?
[21:04] <Noskcaj> of delaying it
[21:05] <elfy> what our is this Noskcaj ? Xubuntu?
[21:05] <Noskcaj> Xfce distros, i guess
[21:05] <elfy> so why can't gnome wait until 15.04 then
[21:05] <elfy> what's the hurry
[21:06] <Noskcaj> darkxst (understandably) doesn't want to ship 3.6 and 3.8 components for yet another release
[21:07] <elfy> or rather why should we have to deal with any possible fallout for someone else?
[21:07] <Noskcaj> and the regression chance for stuff other than gnome is pretty low
[21:07] <Unit193> Is 3.12 latest stable, or .13?
[21:07] <Noskcaj> 3.12
[21:07] <Noskcaj> 3.13 is devel
[21:07] <elfy> pretty low is not not going to happen is it
[21:07] <Noskcaj> no, but what changes are
[21:08] <elfy> and at cycle start it's not so much of an issue is it
[21:09] <elfy> are gnome going to fix things for us if they break?
[21:10] <elfy> that's all beside the point though - the point is FF is for a reason
[21:11] <Noskcaj> I would assume darkxst would help with our stuff if asked
[21:11] <Noskcaj> I agree with you on the FF point, but it's still up to the release team
[21:11] <elfy> it stinks
[21:29] <skellat> Grumbles: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower/+bug/1330037/comments/29
[21:29] <elfy> skellat: that has been the topic of conversation in here for about 2 days ;)
[21:30] <skellat> elfy: Yes, but I put an objection on record as noted at that specific link
[21:30] <skellat> They're *my* grumbles
[21:30] <elfy> thanks - we'll get ochosi to officially do it too I should hope
[21:33] <elfy> skellat: thought it was just a link to the bug :)
[21:34] <skellat> elfy: Nope, I spent some time while walking around the grocery store thinking of how to politely put that
[21:34] <elfy> :)
[21:34] <elfy> makes it easier for me - I was wondering ... 
[21:35] <Unit193> No, elfy wasn't wondering how to nicely put it, bluntly maybe. ;)
[21:36] <elfy> no I was wondering how to put it politely - I has other hat too ...
[21:37] <Unit193> :D
[21:37] <skellat> Yes, I owe elfy testing
[21:37] <elfy> lol - everyone owes me that ... 
[21:37] <elfy> I meant the cchat :)
[21:38] <Unit193> "...whatever we name..." Awwwh, he still thinks the community names it, how quaint. :)
[21:38] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[21:39] <elfy> I was calling unicorn unicorn before sabdfl did \o/
[21:39] <elfy> he saw it somewhere - must have :)
[21:39] <skellat> Just start calling it Victorious Velociraptor
[21:39] <skellat> It'll eat somebody's lunch
[21:40] <elfy> it's Vapid Vampire skellat :p
[21:40] <skellat> :-)
[21:40]  * skellat heads back to the kitchen to deal with dinner
[21:40]  * elfy posts - leaves it to XPL