[00:02] <adrenaline_> bluesabre, looking
[00:05] <adrenaline_> Looks promising. I am going to mess with it this weekend.
[00:51] <Quantibility> Wow
[00:51] <Quantibility> That was weird
[00:55] <Quantibility> Can anybody help with my startup stalls after update please im using a phone.. anyone?
[01:01] <Quantibility> So, im in terminal and have net support,  ideas?
[01:03] <xubuntu329> I stall xubuntu today and i want to know why the wifi is not working...
[01:03] <xubuntu329> Can somebody help me?
[01:04] <HedgeMage> xubuntu329: We'll need more specific information in order to help you, but we'll try. :)
[01:04] <xubuntu329> okay
[01:05] <HedgeMage> xubuntu329: Define "not working" -- what error do you see?  What wifi chipset do you have?  anything else we should know?
[01:05] <Quantibility> He gets help?
[01:05] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: hrm...
[01:05] <Quantibility> Com on
[01:05] <xubuntu329> i'm brasilian, so..maybe i will write some wrong words
[01:05] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Relax, he was talking when I glanced over.  I do read backscroll.
[01:06] <Quantibility> Thnx
[01:06] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Is this a new install or are you updating an existing one?
[01:06] <Quantibility> Updating
[01:06] <Quantibility> Existing
[01:07] <xubuntu329> how can i see if have?
[01:07] <cfhowlett> !br | xubuntu329
[01:08] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Please first check that you have not filled up /boot to the point that ubuntu can't write to it
[01:08] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: "du -sh /boot" as root should do the trick.
[01:09] <Quantibility> 4 days of figuring this out ive done most  things
[01:09] <Quantibility> Done
[01:10] <Quantibility> Restart?
[01:10] <HedgeMage> No, that's just to get info
[01:11] <Quantibility> 85m /boot
[01:11] <HedgeMage> out of how much total?
[01:11] <xubuntu329> where i go to update system? (drives too)
[01:11] <Quantibility> Uh? 85M
[01:12] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Sorry... "du" stands for "disk usage", it tells you how much of /boot is full, but not how much total space /boot has... for the latter look at the output of "lsblk"
[01:12] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: then we know if you have space enough left
[01:13] <Quantibility> Just says 85M
[01:13] <HedgeMage> The most common reason for xubuntu to suddenly become unbootable after update is running out of space in /boot...the default update client is happy to fail silently in this case, much to my dismay
[01:13] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: both "lsblk" and "du" show 85M for /boot?  if so, it's full
[01:14] <Quantibility> Ok how do I ...
[01:14] <Quantibility> Fix it?
[01:20] <xubuntu329> at mine don't show any "/boot"...
[01:20] <Quantibility> Interesting how do I make space the right way?
[01:22] <Quantibility>  HedgeMage: ? Im a little new and I know to be patient. . Its been 4 days
[01:23] <bazhang> pastebin the output of lsblk  <-----quan
[01:23] <bazhang> he quit
[01:24] <bazhang> !paste | Quantibility
[01:25] <Quantibility> I can not start xubuntu.  I can not "paste" I am on a phone.. xubuntu stalls at boot
[01:26] <Quantibility> 4 days.  Im trying patience.  It difficult.
 Just says 85M  <---- wheres that from
[01:27] <Quantibility> Du outputs 85M /boot
[01:27] <xubuntu329> how to fix my wifi?......
[01:27] <bazhang> how'd you get that if it wont boot Quantibility
[01:27] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Sorry, my son woke up and needed me.
[01:28] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: How did you get the 85M number for us?
[01:28] <Quantibility> HedgeMage: honorable
[01:28] <bazhang> !wifi | xubuntu329 have a read
[01:29] <xubuntu329> ...
[01:29] <Quantibility> HedgeMage: I am in (recovery mode) as root with network
[01:30] <Quantibility> 4 days dude 4 days
[01:30] <bazhang> Quantibility, give us the output of lsblk
[01:30] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: So you are in recovery mode booting to your installed xubuntu, or you are using a liveCD?
[01:30] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Because "I booted into recovery mode" and "I can't boot" are VERY different scenarios.
[01:30] <Quantibility> No.  HedgeMage installed.
[01:31] <Quantibility> HedgeMage: im a noob? Does that help?
[01:32] <HedgeMage> brb, kid agai
[01:32] <HedgeMage> 8again
[01:33] <Quantibility> Ok gimme time I got output
[01:33] <Quantibility> Sda
[01:33] <xubuntu329> people sad to me change to xubuntu 13.10
[01:34] <cfhowlett> xubuntu329, then you talked to the wrong people.  13.10 is end of life and not supported.
[01:34] <Quantibility> Sda1.      Si    Sda2
[01:34] <Quantibility> Ugh
[01:34] <xubuntu329> uowl
[01:35] <xubuntu329> so..
[01:35] <Quantibility> Can I just take a pic and post somewhere?
[01:35] <xubuntu329> i will check this web site..
[01:35] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:35] <cfhowlett> xubuntu329, 14.04 and 12.04 are supported.
[01:35] <Quantibility> Wheere can I put pictures of output?
[01:36] <cfhowlett> !paste | Quantibility
[01:36] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: imagebin works, as does imgur
[01:41] <xubuntu329> my brother installed lubuntu a long time ago..but he had the same problem..after that he installed the xunbutu, an it works...
[01:41] <Quantibility> Ugh thats was http://ibin.co/1a8sLpuZYO5I HedgeMage
[01:42]  * HedgeMage looks
[01:42] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Okay, good...that is a start...now we know that /boot is not overfull.
[01:43] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Are you able to do "apt-get update" in recovery mode?
[01:43] <HedgeMage> If you got a bad package, it may have been fixed by now, and we can check for new packages and install them.
[01:43] <Quantibility> Yes im networked
[01:43] <cfhowlett> xubuntu329, what does your terminal tell you about this:  cat /etc/issue
[01:44] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: then after "apt-get update" do "apt-get upgrade"
[01:44] <Quantibility> Ok
[01:44] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: then reboot and see if it helped...if not, we'll troubleshoot further.
[01:44] <Quantibility> Sure
[01:44] <xubuntu329> let me see
[01:45] <Quantibility> Thats new to me been waiting for updates
[01:46] <xubuntu329> is just digit that at?
[01:46] <cfhowlett> xubuntu329,     cat /etc/issue
[01:48] <xubuntu329> that:       ubuntu 14.04. 1  LTS \ n \ L
[01:49] <Quantibility> HedgeMage: crosses fingers
[01:49] <HedgeMage> good luck, Quantibility !
[01:49] <cfhowlett> !details |xubuntu329, good.  now ... details of your issue!
[01:50] <xubuntu329> okay
[01:50] <xubuntu329> i will try to explain
[01:50] <Quantibility> HedgeMage: YAY!
[01:50] <Quantibility> UH
[01:51] <Quantibility> Wait
[01:51] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: I take it you are booting normally now?
[01:52] <xubuntu329> my wirelless don't have conection...like..am..Don't have any option to connect via wifi....
[01:53] <Quantibility> HedgeMage: nope still broke
[01:53] <HedgeMage> :/
[01:53] <Quantibility> Giving output
[01:53] <xubuntu329> just with cable
[01:56] <cfhowlett> !wifi | xubuntu329
[01:56] <xubuntu329> i have already saw that....
[01:56] <Quantibility> HedgeMage: no sir still stuck stops at *stopping  send an event to indicate Plymouth is up [ok]
[01:57] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: have you tried interactive boot?
[01:58] <Quantibility> Uh? 0_0
[01:58] <Quantibility> No?
[01:58]  * HedgeMage wonders if a default xubuntu install allows that
[01:58] <Quantibility> It be nice
[01:59] <Quantibility> I got the disk running. ..
[01:59] <Quantibility> I need this comp up
[01:59] <Quantibility> I wanna not reinstall
[02:00] <cfhowlett> Quantibility, you're stuck in windows thinking.  NO ONE said you must reinstall.
[02:00] <Quantibility> Yeah I know
[02:00] <cfhowlett> Quantibility, HedgeMage suggested interactive boot - a great suggestion!
[02:00] <Quantibility> Dont know how
[02:00] <xubuntu329> and about this comand              sudo apt-get update
[02:01] <Quantibility> olease describe procedure
[02:01] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Sorry I'm slow...I have a kid who keeps trying to be awake and am troubleshooting my bf's Slackware breakage
[02:01] <cfhowlett> HedgeMage, ewww ... TMI!
[02:01] <cfhowlett> HedgeMage, oh, wait ... software ... ewww!
[02:01] <Quantibility> Lol
[02:02] <Quantibility> HedgeMage: I just need. It up soo
[02:02] <Quantibility> N
[02:02] <Quantibility> Soon
[02:02] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Understood, doing my best
[02:02]  * cfhowlett not gonna say it - not gonna say it ..
[02:04]  * HedgeMage wonders if pointing out that she has three boyfriends, all of whom are Linux users, will make cfhowlett's head explode
[02:04] <cfhowlett> HedgeMage, *boom*  ... mind ... blown   :)
[02:05] <HedgeMage> lol
[02:05] <HedgeMage> Quantibility: Okay, back for the moment...
[02:05] <QuantiliveCD> Hedge
[02:05] <HedgeMage> Welcome back :)
[02:06] <QuantiliveCD> HedgeMage: i opted for the live Cd so i can freaking type, its anoying using the phone
[02:06] <HedgeMage> QuantiliveCD: Okay, so there are a few things that might be wrong, we just need to figure out which one it really is.
[02:06] <HedgeMage> NP, understood
[02:07] <HedgeMage> QuantiliveCD: If you remember exactly which packages were installed/updated during the update that broke your system, that would be helpful.  If not, that's okay we'll work around it, we just may need to test more things.
[02:07] <QuantiliveCD> i think honestly its the cups
[02:07] <QuantiliveCD> like i said 4 days
[02:07] <HedgeMage> Well, then, let's disable cups and see you you can boot normally thereafter
[02:08] <QuantiliveCD> so, boot my disk from live?
[02:08] <QuantiliveCD> uh can i boot my disk from live?
[02:10] <HedgeMage> Quanitbility: While you are booted to the livecd, I want to have you pastebin some log files from your hard drive that might help with diagnostics
[02:10] <Quanitbility> sure
[02:10] <Quanitbility> absolutely
[02:10] <HedgeMage> Quanitbility: are you familiar with mounting your HD partitions while using the livecd?
[02:11] <Quanitbility> Hedgemage, uh well im familiar with mounting and im familiar with partitions
[02:12] <HedgeMage> Quanitbility: mount whatever partition on your HD contains /var/log, and we'll go from there
[02:12] <Quanitbility> I need to gain access to the drive. how do i do that?
[02:13] <Quanitbility> right mount
[02:13] <HedgeMage> Quanitbility: if it's dmcrypted (which the output of your lsblk suggests is likely), the graphical thing when you double-click the partition on your desktop on the livecd will prompt for the pw
[02:13] <HedgeMage> otherwise I can give you the manual commands to do via command line
[02:13] <Quanitbility> yea please
[02:14] <Quanitbility> never mind
[02:14] <Quanitbility> hold on
[02:15] <Quanitbility> well it said failed but? i have access?
[02:15] <HedgeMage> weird
[02:16] <HedgeMage> see if you can get to /var/log and read log files
[02:16] <Quanitbility> well i thought i missed a letter in my password
[02:17] <Quanitbility> HedgeMage: Yes
[02:17] <Quanitbility> dpkg/
[02:17] <Quanitbility> ?
[02:18] <HedgeMage> Quanitbility: Okay, so I'm about to fall over/asleep...I'll do what I can to check a few things first, but if I turn into a pumpkin on you we can always pick up tomorrow, or someone else here can try to help.
[02:18] <Quanitbility> lol
[02:18] <Quanitbility> ok
[02:22] <HedgeMage> /var/log/dmesg may have useful info on exactly what went wrong when you tried to boot
[02:22] <Quanitbility> iok
[02:22] <Quanitbility> patebin?
[02:22] <HedgeMage> /var/log/syslog may also have helpful info
[02:22] <HedgeMage> there's also a boot.log
[02:23] <HedgeMage> (same place)
[02:23] <Quanitbility> yes
[02:23] <HedgeMage> dpkg.log may tell you about an error during installs/upgrades that wasn't shown to you
[02:23] <HedgeMage> check those for anything interesting and/or pastebin and share the links here to get others to look
[02:23] <Quanitbility> ok
[02:24] <Quanitbility> syslog syslog1?
[02:24] <Quanitbility> or both?
[02:24] <HedgeMage> the other thing I mentioned -- interactive boot -- may be helpful...I forget how to trigger it on xubuntu, so you'll have to look that up...but the general idea is that it lets you say yes/no to starting each service at boot time so you can test a few different things and see if you can figure out which service is interfering with boot
[02:24] <HedgeMage> Quanitbility: the one with no number is most recent
[02:24] <HedgeMage> Quanitbility: so that's probably what you want
[02:24] <Quanitbility> ok
[02:24] <HedgeMage> if you need more history look at the numbered ones
[02:25] <HedgeMage> anyway, I'm going to sleep.
[02:25] <xubuntu053> can anybody pass the pt link?
[02:25] <xubuntu053> please
[02:25] <Quanitbility> heh
[02:25] <HedgeMage> I have family stuff tomorrow, but will be online for several hours also.
[02:25] <HedgeMage> If I'm online I'll be in here
[02:25]  * HedgeMage waves and departs
[02:25] <Quanitbility> WHICH does anyone wanna see first
[02:27] <Quanitbility> http://pastebin.com/tWhGiiGi SYSLOG
[02:28] <holstein> Quanitbility: did you purge all your ppa's?
[02:29] <Quanitbility> Holstein
[02:29] <Quanitbility> no
[02:29] <Quanitbility> im providing some info right now
[02:29] <holstein> Quanitbility: any ppa can be causing your issue..
[02:29] <holstein> Quanitbility: also, did you try an xorg.conf with vesa driver?
[02:29] <Quanitbility> http://pastebin.com/29sSzySF Dmesg
[02:31] <holstein> Quanitbility: you can always take those to #ubuntu if you want to get more eyes on them
[02:31] <holstein> Quanitbility: how about the vesa driver?
[02:31] <Quanitbility> the what?
[02:32] <Quanitbility> http://pastebin.com/WJPhJ8Y2 boot.log
[02:32] <umbridge> would someone be so kind as copy/paste me the contents of an xfce/xubuntu usr/share/xsessions .desktop file?
[02:32] <holstein> Quanitbility: when you were here last, i suggested trying the older kernel.. you stated you did, and the issues were still persiting.. i asked i you have PPA"s and suggested puring them.. with..
[02:32] <holstein> !infor ppa-purge
[02:32] <holstein> !info ppa-purge
[02:34] <holstein> Quanitbility: i also suggested, when you mentioned an nvidia proprietary driver, trying the vesa driver with a custom xorg.conf that linked from here.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209
[02:34] <holstein> Quanitbility: you would put that xorg.conf in place to "bypass" your current driver setup
[02:35] <holstein> Quanitbility: i also suggeted trying a live CD that you know works, or a supported operating sytem to make sure the hardware is functioning properly?
[02:35] <holstein> Quanitbility: if you want to link log files for volunteers to look at, you can try #ubuntu or the main ubuntu mailing list
[02:35] <Quanitbility> holstein im on live cd right now
[02:35] <Quanitbility> i got tired of the phone
[02:36] <holstein> Quanitbility: great.. then, you can easily put that xorg.conf in place and test.. and while you are booted, purge the unsupported sources that may be breaking your system
[02:42] <umbridge> need the contents of the xfce.desktop or xubuntu.desktop from /usr/share/xessions/ please
[02:44] <cfhowlett> umbridge, http://ur1.ca/i6fh1
[02:45] <cfhowlett> umbridge, /usr/share/xsessions/
[02:45] <umbridge> cfhowlett danke
[02:45] <cfhowlett> umbridge, bitte
[03:01] <Quanitbility> Holstein, how?
[03:01] <Quanitbility> wah
[03:01] <Quanitbility> wait
[03:03] <holstein> Quanitbility: ?
[03:04] <Quanitbility> dude, xorg.conf in place of what, where?
[03:05] <Quanitbility> sorry was having a problem with my freaking touch pad
[03:05] <Quanitbility> now i can type in peace
[03:05] <holstein> Quanitbility: sure. take a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209
[03:06] <holstein> Quanitbility: this is a way to use the "failsafe" vesa driver for your system graphics as a test
[03:07] <Quanitbility> holstein, why do you suspect that there are problems with my drivers? i do not have Nvidia drivers,
[03:08] <holstein> Quanitbility: you stated last time you had nvidia hardware
[03:08] <Quanitbility> well, thats what happens when you don't allow for someone typing on a phone.
[03:10] <holstein> Quanitbility: imnot following you.. but, the vesa driver is a way to force a failsafe graphics environment.. if you feel you need that
[03:11] <holstein> Quanitbility: have you purged your PPA's? have you shared what unsupported sources you are using?
[03:14] <Quanitbility> i am no longer typing on the phone, actually im being very patient right now, very very patient, i would like my system to be in working order, it is from an update, i had said this several times. im irritated right now, and im being patient. please, lets get down to business here fix the problem.  My computer stalls at boot up, and when i install previous kernals the screen just goes blank, it has not done this before. there i
[03:14] <Quanitbility> s no problems with my equipment, and i don't understand which porprioty  freaking drivers your talking about. I need my system up in working order soon, i have a deadline to keep. im irritated holstein, very irritated, please PROVIDE me some freaking commands i should try, REMIND yourself that im in live cd mode, and im very irritated for four days. please provide some code that gives you the input you need.
[03:15] <Quanitbility> also remind yourself im a noob, so just telling me doesn't really help.
[03:15] <holstein> Quanitbility: you should be able to do the work with the live CD>. i would just reinstall if i were "Under the gun" so to speak, and revert to my backups
[03:15] <holstein> Quanitbility: im not a person that can "provide you some code" that can fix what you have done
[03:16] <holstein> Quanitbility: i can only volunteer some ways you can troubleshoot..
[03:17] <Quanitbility> wow, you just redefined the definition of pissing someone off you know that holstein. ugGH! thank you for your help so far.
[03:17] <holstein> Quanitbility: please try and watch the language.. i understand youa re frustrated, and will leave you for another volunteer.. try the main #ubuntu channel, since it is more populated, and you dont have a xubuntu /xfce specific issue
[03:19] <holstein> Quanitbility: the PPA"s you have added, if you would like to share what those are, can be breaking your system... its a good idea if you want "stability" not to use ppa's trivially
[03:19] <cfhowlett> Quanitbility, for instant answers, consider purchasing support directly from canonical.  otherwise, endure the volunteers who attempt to help. your attitude matters.
[03:19] <Quanitbility> i would love too.
[03:19] <holstein> Quanitbility: you would "love to", what?
[03:24] <Quanitbility> slow down my friend, i promised you ive watched my language thus far. I know the rules my friend im trying to calm down. im trying to think about the problem then blowing up at you i know its not your fault. but i don't really care, do you understand that? please, i know the rules here perfectly, don't 'remind' me, or ill break the rules because god gave me free will. im behaving. don't remind me. now. i thank you for your help
[03:24] <Quanitbility> . but the your question to "Love to", what? was the Answer to "Sharing" any all information with any or all individuals that would help with my problem
[03:25] <cfhowlett> Quanitbility, "don't remind me or I'll violate the rules"  Threats? OK, so we now understand each other.  /added to ignore list
[03:25] <holstein> Quanitbility: ok.. whare what ppa's you have added, please.. those are usupported sources that can break things.. and i will be glad to look at those
[03:26] <Quanitbility> why the heck is everyone so damn cerebral and actual and factual based brains in here? I've changed to a system that i think is better but im just not getting anywhere, now i have problems ... ugh never mind
[03:27] <holstein> Quanitbility: i suggest a fresh install, and *dont* add sources such as PPA"s if you need the system to be "Stable".. its a good rule on any OS to have good backups and a good stradegy for recovery
[03:27] <Quanitbility> threats or being a full breed american who beleives in opening his mouth when ever i please, if your offended then thats you, but you choose the time to read it when it wasn't really tward you.
[03:28] <Quanitbility> holstein i agree
[03:28] <holstein> Quanitbility: id be glad to talk about those stradegies
[03:28] <Quanitbility> where do i go
[03:29] <holstein> Quanitbility: i would go to "install" from the live CD, and reinstall and *dont* add 3rd party sources
[03:29] <Quanitbility> show me a link i apologize to the lot of ya, but ignoring me is just proving that people should not be in here, im not flooding,  or anything of the sort i have opinions, not threats.
[03:29] <holstein> the 3 2 1 rule for backups is a great place to start.. dont spend 4 days trying to "Fix" something that you dont understand how you broke
[03:30] <Quanitbility> i have back up but
[03:30] <holstein> !guidelines
[03:30] <Quanitbility> im afraid its not a full back up though and im afraid to use it
[03:31] <holstein> Quanitbility: you need to address that fear.. the hard drive you are using *will* fail.. you should plan for that failure, and you will be better off in the long run
[03:32] <Quanitbility> holstein, you sound like a text book, yes, i understand that. but the back up software wasn't finished even when showing 100%
[03:32] <holstein> Quanitbility: i dont mean to sound like "a text book".. i mean to sound like a friendly volunteer, who is volunteering time to you
[03:32] <holstein> Quanitbility: done use "backup software".. use the live CD to grab data with a file manager..
[03:33] <holstein> you can just literally click and drag the files over... watch them go, and know they are backed up.. then, you can reinstall and have a better plan for the future, where you dont break the system
[03:36] <Quanitbility> i guess idon't really undestnad that conce[pt
[03:36] <Quanitbility> im just tired
[03:36] <Quanitbility> days
[03:36] <holstein> Quanitbility: it takes me about 8 minutes to reinsatll
[03:36] <Quanitbility> and onlyone person the help me, then the other cunt ignored me.. im done for the day.
[03:36] <holstein> wow..
[03:37] <cfhowlett> ... true colors revealed.
[03:38] <cfhowlett> holstein, thanks for trying - you've more patience/faith in humanity than I do.
[03:38] <holstein> cfhowlett: i bet we get another shot with that user
[03:39] <cfhowlett> holstein, I bet I won't join in.  In fact, I'd suggest a lifetime ban, but then I have zero tolerance for rank idiocy.
[03:40] <Unit193> cfhowlett: Your comments of agitation really don't help, though.
[03:41] <cfhowlett> Unit193, ... agitation?  Quanitbility, for instant answers, consider purchasing support directly from canonical.  otherwise, endure the volunteers who attempt to help. your attitude matters.
[03:42] <cfhowlett> Unit193, ... perhaps.  I'll restrain myself in future.
[03:42] <Unit193> cfhowlett: Thank you.
[05:09] <Vampi> приветики :)
[10:35] <pedro> hi
[10:36] <pedro> for you
[11:40] <alket> hi , is there any font installer for xubuntu ?
[11:41] <cfhowlett> alket, sudo apt-get install FontPackageNameHere
[11:41] <alket> cfhowlett, i have the font siting in my download folder
[11:41] <alket> how do i install it
[11:41] <alket> in unity the font viewer/installer was opened
[11:42] <cfhowlett> alket, unity? in xubuntu?  ask in the #ubuntu channel.
[11:42] <alket> please try to understand
[11:43] <alket> i cleary state that I use ubuntu , but can't install a font that i downloaded , i took unity as example , when i opened a ttf format , the font viewer was opened and let me install it easily
[11:43] <deshipu> alket: you make a directory .fonts in your home, and copy the font file there
[11:43] <alket> deshipu, any app that does that ?
[11:43] <deshipu> alket: yes, file manager
[11:44] <alket> thanks
[11:44] <deshipu> alket: then you run fc-cache to reload the font cache
[11:44] <alket> thanks
[11:45] <deshipu> you can have subdirectories in .fonts to organize your fonts better
[11:49] <alket> deshipu, thanks very much
[13:40] <xubuntu947> Are there any details about the minimal install in 14.10b1 available?
[13:42] <elfy> xubuntu947: what details do you want?
[13:43] <xubuntu947> From the blog: "information on installation and testing will follow shortly". But I can't find any!?
[13:44] <elfy> that's because we've not done it yet
[13:44] <xubuntu947> I just downloaded the beta. Can I already test the minimal install?
[13:45] <xubuntu947> I see. What is minimal in this case? Is it like the Ubuntu mini.iso?
[13:47] <elfy> the minimal is the same iso - then install the specific xubuntu minimal from tasksel - you can even test if for everyone http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/315/builds/76947/testcases
[13:48] <knome> s/can/should/
[13:49] <xubuntu947> Okay, thanks!
[14:11]  * RedDeath Back
[14:33] <xubuntu947> Bear with me but I'm too dumb to run the test case ^^ What do you mean by "then install the specific xubuntu minimal from tasksel"?
[14:34] <elfy> when the install gets to the tasksel part, choose xubuntu minimal - looks like http://guruadmin.ru/uploads/up-new/ubuntu-tasksel-command.png
[14:35] <xubuntu947> Okay then there is a essential misunderstandingon my side since I tried to install the beta.
[14:36] <elfy> xubuntu947: the beta 64 or 32 bit image - if so that's not the minimal
[14:37] <xubuntu947> You meant the mini.iso not the beta? (<elfy> the minimal is the same iso)
[14:38] <elfy> yea - the mini.iso is the same for *buntu - nothing is different until you actually start installing apps/DE's
[15:02] <UTC24> Hello and good morning, a little disapointed this morning in Xubuntu. I did a small update via software update center, less than 10mb. After update my wifi no longer works after working fine for ... six months or more. Also now there is an issue on shutdown where it hangs after deactivating swap. I am really tired of having to redo system installs for issues like this. I cannot figure how to even check which files where upgraded so I could ask how to roll back
[15:02] <UTC24>  those upgrades
[15:03] <brainwash> UTC24: take a look at /var/log/apt/history.log
[15:07] <UTC24> will do thanks
[15:17] <xubuntu947> Now the minimal install worked, thanks!
[15:18] <UTC24> So here is what was upgraded
[15:18] <UTC24> cups-core-drivers:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), cups-server-common:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), libharfbuzz-icu0:amd64 (0.9.27-1, 0.9.27-1ubuntu1), libcups2:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), cups-daemon:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), libcupsmime1:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), libgudev-1.0-0:amd64 (204-5ubuntu20.5, 204-5ubuntu20.6), cups-client:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), libcupsi
[15:18] <UTC24> mage2:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), xserver-xorg-core:amd64 (1.15.1-0ubuntu2, 1.15.1-0ubuntu2.1), flashplugin-installer:amd64 (11.2.202.400ubuntu0.14.04.1, 11.2.202.406ubuntu0.14.04.1), libnss3-1d:amd64 (3.15.4-1ubuntu7, 3.15.4-1ubuntu7.1), cups:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), linux-firmware-nonfree:amd64 (1.14ubuntu1, 1.14ubuntu3), libharfbuzz0b:amd64 (0.9.27-1, 0.9.27-1ubuntu1), xserver-common:amd64 (1.15.1-0ubuntu2, 1.15.1-0ubuntu2
[15:18] <UTC24> .1), libnss3-nssdb:amd64 (3.15.4-1ubuntu7, 3.15.4-1ubuntu7.1), gir1.2-gudev-1.0:amd64 (204-5ubuntu20.5, 204-5ubuntu20.6), cups-bsd:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), libnss3:amd64 (3.15.4-1ubuntu7, 3.15.4-1ubuntu7.1), libcupscgi1:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), libcupsppdc1:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), cups-common:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2), cups-ppdc:amd64 (1.7.2-0ubuntu1.1, 1.7.2-0ubuntu1.2)
[15:18] <knome> !pastebin | UTC24
[15:21] <UTC24> Can anyone tell me how to roll back those upgrades?
[15:21] <UTC24> or why any of them could cause issues with shut down or wifi?
[15:24] <bazhang> there's no downgrade other than installing from backups
[15:26] <UTC24> qawsg]yui
[15:27] <UTC24> Guess I should have been using  acronis
[15:27] <UTC24> Thanks later
[15:28] <brainwash> UTC24: could be bug 1368093
[15:29] <brainwash> this package has been updated recently in 12.04 and 14.04
[15:35] <UTC24> ok that might be it... I use
[15:36] <UTC24> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8335511/
[15:37] <UTC24> Which uses a non-free driver
[15:38] <UTC24> I have followed many different threads on how to fix the wifi and non have worked
[15:39] <cfhowlett> !broadcom
[15:40] <UTC24> Yes I already followed that one too
[15:41] <UTC24> all my network devices show up fine
[15:41] <brainwash> download the initial version https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/linux-firmware-nonfree_1.14ubuntu1_all.deb and install it
[15:41] <UTC24> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8335546/
[15:42] <brainwash> UTC24: and I suggest that you add your findings to the linked bug report
[15:43] <brainwash> or create a new one if the problem isn't the same after all
[15:44] <UTC24> Ok will do... Sorry I am new to trying  to be part of the community
[15:44] <UTC24> Thanks for patience
[15:55] <Bl4ckSh4d0w> hello
[16:52] <lain_r> Hey, people, can someone help me mixing together xfce & i3 window manager?
[16:56] <baizon> !ask | lain_r
[16:59] <lain_r> Sorrrry!:) I've got a new xubuntu installation and I want to use xfce with i3 window manager. I've seen variants like changing fallback session but it didn't work for me: some other xfce process started before i3 and grabbed all the keybindings. Afterwards I changed xfwm4 binary to a script which launches i3 window manager, but this way it fails after restoring from suspend. I don't know how to do that other way, because I'd like to use x
[16:59] <lain_r> fce-session instead of bare xinitrc
[18:49] <steinerlein> good morning #xubuntu
[18:50] <steinerlein> I would like to install xubuntu on a powerbook G4, which is a powerpc. I cannot find out which version I would have to download..
[18:51] <GridCube> !powerpc
[18:51] <steinerlein> For 12.04 I can only find AMD64 and x86
[18:51] <sleezio> hello, whats a good app(or process) for monitoring a proam to see if it's phoning home on startup?
[18:51] <sleezio> *program
[18:51] <GridCube> read what ubottu said
[18:52] <sleezio> i'd like to see the server it's pinging on startup...if it is
[18:54] <steinerlein> okay, so there is no version of 12.04 for ppc?
[18:54] <GridCube> !edgy
[18:54] <GridCube> ^
[18:55] <GridCube> was the last one with support to ppc
[18:55] <steinerlein> oh wow, okay..
[18:55] <GridCube> see the community port
[18:57] <steinerlein> Alright, got it! Thanks a bunch! I'll use the mini.iso and then install xubuntu
[19:00] <GridCube> good luck
[20:00] <romelbacchus> hey
[22:03] <newbo> hey guys. where are the shortcuts file in xubuntu? can i edit it like: vim /etc/something/shortcuts
[22:06] <deshipu> newbo: which shortcuts?
[22:07] <newbo> like open whiskersmenu
[22:07] <deshipu> keyboard shortcuts?
[22:07] <newbo> deshipu: yes
[22:07] <newbo> deshipu: i want to make a shortcuts file and put it whenever i format my computer
[22:08] <newbo> deshipu: to not lose time
[22:08] <newbo> or, "not to lose time"
[22:08] <deshipu> .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfwm4.xml and .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml
[22:09] <newbo> deshipu: wow. you memorized that? oh man oh man...
[22:09] <deshipu> make a copy before you edit them
[22:09] <deshipu> no, I just checked
[22:09] <newbo> deshipu: how did you check it?
[22:09] <newbo> just curious
[22:09] <deshipu> I looked in the .config directory in my home directory
[22:10] <newbo> deshipu: wow man. you're a pro. thank you very much.
[22:10] <newbo> i'm impressed
[22:24] <newbo> deshipu: hey man. ican't edit my wifi settings. why can that be?
[23:04] <jarloyz_> hola
[23:04] <jarloyz_> hello
[23:04] <jarloyz_> can someone help me?
[23:07] <jarloyz_> hello?
[23:56] <ku0> hello