[00:19] <elhoir> hello guys
[00:19] <elhoir> im getting an strange error message in dmesg:
[00:19] <elhoir> "EXT4-fs (sda4): unable to read superblock"
[00:20] <elhoir> but im using system normally.... what does it mean?
[00:22] <penguin42> what is sda4 - is that a partition you recognise?
[00:22] <elhoir> i think its the linux partition - let me tell you via gparted
[00:23] <elhoir> ah no
[00:23] <elhoir> sd4 is the extended partition
[00:24] <elhoir> which contains sda5 - the linux swap fs
[00:25] <elhoir> so its normal? i mean, sd4 does not contain a superblock in its own, right?
[00:25] <elhoir> sda4*
[00:26] <penguin42> yeh, so the question is why the heck is it trying to mount it - it only gives you that error if you try and mount it
[00:26] <elhoir> penguin42, because i have the swap fs in it
[00:26] <elhoir> so its always mounting it
[00:28] <elhoir> in the /proc/partitions file sda4 does not exist
[00:28] <penguin42> but it shouldn't normally try and mount the extended partition
[00:31] <rww> it might be in fstab for some reason?
[00:32] <elhoir> rww no it isnt
[00:32] <elhoir> penguin42, im uploading a picture for you to see
[00:33] <elhoir> (better said, trying to..... f****ng 1mb adsl)
[00:33] <penguin42> a picture of what?
[00:33] <elhoir> gparted
[00:33] <elhoir> https://imageshack.com/i/exYPdVvkp
[00:34] <penguin42> elhoir: fdisk -l    would have got the same info as text
[00:34] <elhoir> ugh... heh... see, im still a n00b
[00:34] <elhoir> :P
[00:35] <elhoir> well, anyway, you can see the sda4 partition is extended
[00:35] <elhoir> and inside it, i have the swap partition
[00:35] <penguin42> yeh - it's actually an odd layout
[00:35] <penguin42> elhoir: As rww says; can you check your /etc/fstab to see if it mentioned sda4 ?
[00:35] <rww> i think they said it doesn't
[00:35] <elhoir> it doesnt
[00:36] <elhoir> it mentions sda5 - the swap one
[00:36] <elhoir> but not sda4
[00:36] <penguin42> hmm weird then
[00:38] <elhoir> http://pastebin.com/pCpyUSLC
[00:40] <penguin42> odd, oh well - it's difficult to track down what's trying to mount it
[00:42] <elhoir> lets see if dmesg gives a clue.....
[00:45] <elhoir> nah... no clue
[00:45] <elhoir> http://pastebin.com/YLJPYHLA
[00:46] <elhoir> " 584.155102] FAT-fs (sda4): Can't find a valid FAT filesystem" <-------------- funny. Of course you cant! there is NOT any FAT fs inside!
[00:46] <elhoir> xD
[00:47] <elhoir> nor HFS fs xD
[00:48] <penguin42> yeh that's where it's tried to mount it and gone through them all and each one has moaned that it's not one of them
[00:50] <elhoir> do you mean kernel is mounting all of the partitions to verify the fs, and then unmounts them?
[00:50] <penguin42> no
[00:51] <penguin42> for some reason it's trying to mount that partiton; but it doesn't know what type to expect, so it's trying to mount it with each of the filesystem types in turn
[00:51] <elhoir> ah ok
[00:52] <elhoir> should i take any action?
[00:53] <penguin42> I don't think so
[00:54] <Nothing_Much> xmir is pretty laggy in 14.10
[00:54] <elhoir> what about xserver 1.16 ? i havent upgraded yet
[00:56] <Nothing_Much> elhoir: how do I check which xserver I have?
[00:56] <Nothing_Much> terminal?
[00:57] <elhoir> no idea
[00:57] <Nothing_Much> well..
[00:57] <Nothing_Much> I'm running 7.7+7ubuntu1
[00:57] <elhoir> thats xorg
[00:57] <Nothing_Much> yeah
[00:58] <elhoir> i was just about to install libmirserver25 but i dont know what will happen after reboot :P
[00:59] <Nothing_Much> if you have two monitors
[00:59] <Nothing_Much> there's a regression
[00:59] <elhoir> no i havent
[00:59] <elhoir> only 1
[00:59] <Nothing_Much> where the monitors aren't resolution..ed properly
[00:59] <Nothing_Much> oh okay
[00:59] <Nothing_Much> well your games may lag a bit
[00:59] <Nothing_Much> otherwise, basic desktop usage is okayish
[00:59] <Nothing_Much> for 14.10
[01:00] <Nothing_Much> 14.04 has laggy games too, but it's not nearly as bad
[01:00] <elhoir> the question is... how do u knwo you are on top of Mir instead X ?
[01:00] <Nothing_Much> but I'm on radeonSI
[01:00] <Nothing_Much> hold up
[01:00] <Nothing_Much> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Installing
[01:00] <elhoir> ah
[01:01] <Nothing_Much> verifying that unity-system-compositor is running
[01:01] <Nothing_Much> but honestly, I think the most important one is the first one
[01:01] <Nothing_Much> since the other 2 don't do much, if at all
[01:01] <Nothing_Much> wait
[01:02] <Nothing_Much> the second one is the most important one
[01:02] <Nothing_Much> the grep one
[01:03] <elhoir> so its the same as
[01:03] <elhoir> sudo apt-get install libmirserver25 xserver-xorg-mir
[01:03] <elhoir> and than
[01:04] <elhoir> sudo restart lightdm
[01:04] <elhoir> then*
[01:05] <elhoir> acording the the page, you are running X on top of Mir
[01:07] <Nothing_Much> the Xmir compatibility layer yeah
[01:08] <elhoir> i dont use 3d games in this laptop....
[01:08] <elhoir> what about 2d performance?
[01:08] <elhoir> what do u think?
[01:08]  * elhoir is thinking in changing to Mir)
[01:09] <elhoir> video playback, and so .....
[01:09] <Nothing_Much> elhoir: well..
[01:09] <Nothing_Much> since they use the FOSS drivers..
[01:09] <Nothing_Much> I'd say you're in good hands
[01:09] <elhoir> :D
[01:09] <Nothing_Much> they being xmir
[01:10] <elhoir> i use a radeon HD 5145 here
[01:10] <elhoir> using radeon 7.4.0 driver
[01:10] <Nothing_Much> me too :D
[01:10] <Nothing_Much> well
[01:10] <elhoir> lol
[01:10] <Nothing_Much> I have an APU
[01:10] <Nothing_Much> but I use radeonSI :D
[01:11] <elhoir> what is radeonSI exactly?
[01:11]  * penguin42 is glad you asked that....
[01:11] <elhoir> any difference with the xserver-xorg-video-radeon driver?
[01:12] <Nothing_Much> elhoir: it's the mesa driver for radeon 7xxx and higher o.o
[01:12] <Nothing_Much> r600 is used for 6xxx to 4xxx I think
[01:12] <elhoir> ahhhh
[01:12] <elhoir> my desktop computer has an HD 6570
[01:13] <elhoir> and my other laptop is an APPU with radeon HD 8400
[01:13] <elhoir> so i think i only use that driver for the Acer laptop
[05:00] <rainbowwarrior> hello
[10:12] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:19] <penguin42> lightdm has broken for me :-(
[11:23] <elfy> oh dear - I had a bunch of that sort of thing last week
[11:24] <lordievader> I'm upgrading now to Utopic, lets see if it breaks for me too.
[11:25] <penguin42> this machine has been running utopic for a month+ and it's been fine
[11:25]  * penguin42 filed it as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1369250
[11:26] <penguin42> hmph I expected it would upload some of the logs but it doesn't seem to have bothered
[11:26] <elfy> it also says that lightdm is not installed
[11:27] <lordievader> That's odd, it should not throw lightdm off an machine during an update.
[11:29] <elfy> hi BluesKaj
[11:29]  * penguin42 thinks he's found the minor problem
[11:29] <BluesKaj> hey elfy
[11:29] <penguin42> elfy: Yeh
[11:30] <penguin42> brb
[11:30] <elfy> perhaps they forgot to include the brown paper and vinegar with the updates you got :)
[11:33] <elfy> working now?
[11:33] <penguin42> yep
[11:33] <elfy> \o/
[11:34] <jtaylor> does apt-get tab completion not work in utopic?
[11:34] <penguin42> I'm not sure where the bug is though; I did an autoremove yesterday so that must have removed the lightdm; but removing lightdm should select a new dm or not try and start X at all; and it looks like upstart is still trying to start it
[11:34] <elfy> jtaylor: doesn't for me in recovery, but works fine in desktop
[11:36] <elfy> penguin42: possibly - check the history log I guess
[11:40] <elfy> jtaylor: I think there's a bug with apt so tab complete doesn't work with apt install foo
[11:41] <jtaylor> yes apt doesn't work
[11:41] <jtaylor> got apt-get to work, some weirdness in my local file ...
[11:42] <elfy> :)
[13:00] <Nothing_Much> does xmir get some loving on occasion? or will that happen during 15.04?
[14:02] <lordievader> Upgrade to Utopic went without troubles :D
[14:06] <Nothing_Much> lordievader: Same here
[14:06] <Nothing_Much> Does xmir get some loving on occasion? or will that happen during 15.04?
[14:07] <lordievader> Nothing_Much: Last I heard it will take some time before mir is used. However I know nothing about Unity ;)
[14:07] <Nothing_Much> lordievader: Well, Mir keeps getting updated for phones and tablets
[14:07] <Nothing_Much> XMir is the compatibility layer for "legacy" xorg apps
[14:07] <Nothing_Much> such as Bitfighter and Steam
[14:08] <Nothing_Much> and pretty much every application that's on GNU/Linux
[14:09] <Nothing_Much> XMir on 14.04 though did work somewhat, stuttering happened in Source games, but 14.10 the multi monitor support was borked
[14:09] <lordievader> To quote a conversation of a few days ago: 20:45 < ktogias> Hi. I just downloaded the latest utopic daily build for testing purposes, and I realized that the live systems runs on X server. Isn't it supposed that utopic will ship with unity 8 over Mir display server? Have I missed something?
[14:09] <lordievader> 20:48 < rww> no, utopic is not supposed to ship with unity 8 over mir
[14:09] <lordievader> 20:49 < rww> and to answer the question you're about to ask: some time before 16.04, I believe
[14:12] <Nothing_Much> Regarding XMir, I meant when development will start to chug along faster, not when it's going to be enabled by default
[14:12] <Nothing_Much> which may happen in 15.04 or 15.10
[14:12] <Nothing_Much> most likely 15.10
[14:13] <Nothing_Much> and Unity 8 for desktops I really want to happen for 15.10 especiallyy
[14:13] <Nothing_Much> *especially
[14:17] <Daekdroom> There is a Utopic ISO that ships with Mir and Unity 8, but it's for testing purposes only.
[14:17] <lordievader> Nothing_Much: Like I said I know nothing about Unity. Cannot help you with that.
[14:17] <Nothing_Much> lordievader: Yeah, no problem
[14:18] <Nothing_Much> Daekdroom: Yeah, but I wish I could use my VM to test it, but Virtualbox doesn't support Mir yet
[14:18] <Daekdroom> Use a LiveUSB
[14:19] <lordievader> Nothing_Much: KVM might support it.
[14:19] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom, got a url ?
[14:20] <BluesKaj> i wouldn't install 14.10 with Unity/mir on my hdd but live media image would be fun to try
[14:20] <Daekdroom> Bluefoxicy, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/
[14:20] <Daekdroom> Oops.
[14:20] <Daekdroom> BluesKaj, ^
[14:20] <BluesKaj> thanks Daekdroom
[14:22] <popey> Nothing_Much: i will ask about xmir but i think the focus is on mir at the moment
[14:22] <Nothing_Much> popey: yeah that's what's happening *right now*
[14:22] <Nothing_Much> I'm talking about future endeavours :)
[14:23] <popey> i know
[14:23] <popey> the goal is to have unity8 on mir by default "By 16.04"
[14:24] <popey> which means it really needs to either be in 15.04 or 15.10, but I don't think that's been decided yet
[14:24] <Nothing_Much> yeah, intend to do that!
[14:24] <popey> don't think we want to have another x based release in 2016
[14:24] <Nothing_Much> nobody does I'm sure
[14:24] <Nothing_Much> except Valve
[14:29] <BluesKaj> don't kde/kubuntu is going with mir. seems wayland is in it's future
[14:30] <BluesKaj> think
[14:30] <Nothing_Much> depends, really
[14:30] <Nothing_Much> they could just implement both
[14:30] <Nothing_Much> shouldn't take long, right?
[14:31] <lordievader> Nothing_Much: The KDE developers rather want to spend time in a display system that is used on more than one distro ;)
[14:32] <Nothing_Much> it's confusing to me though
[14:32] <BluesKaj> lordievader, +1 :)
[14:32] <Nothing_Much> since Mir is a display server and Wayland is a protocol
[14:32] <BluesKaj> semantics
[14:32] <Nothing_Much> but yeah I see the point, but there's tons of different things that power the Internet as well as Linux
[14:32] <Nothing_Much> semantics?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Nothing_Much, for all intents and purposes, yes. if kubuntu implements wayland , the X is going by the wayside (no pun intended) whetherr it's a prortocol or server won't matter in the end to users
[14:36] <ikonia> I thought kubuntu had decided wayland was the way to go and mir was off the table
[14:36] <Nothing_Much> that's what happened
[14:37] <lordievader> Thought so too.
[14:38] <BluesKaj> yup ikonia afaik wayland is in kubuntu's future
[14:39] <ikonia> ok cool, I'm on the same page then
[14:41] <popey> (which is of course fine)
[14:43] <ikonia> why would it be a problem ?
[14:43] <ikonia> (or bad)
[14:43] <popey> well indeed.
[14:43] <Bluefoxicy> WAT
[14:43] <popey> lots of people seem to paint it as a problem
[14:44] <ikonia> I don't see why
[14:44] <ikonia> you use the tools that fit your need
[14:44] <BluesKaj> perhaps my choice of words could have been better about the semantics comments, I wasn't implying that wayland wasn't going to be used, merely that whether it's a server or a protocol makes no difference to the user
[14:44] <popey> I think because people perceive that an official ubuntu flavour not using the same technology underneath that the main distro uses is some kind of big issue
[14:45] <popey> but also it didn't help that there were some heated public discussions about it
[14:45] <popey> which painted canonical / ubuntu in a bad light from the k side
[14:45] <ikonia> the only issue is that it suited the project to use X instead of Y because X met the needs
[14:45] <ikonia> it's not really it's a choice
[14:45] <ikonia> the same as anyone is free to do
[14:46] <BluesKaj> well, i guess ubuntu is seeking a different direction and kubuntu will follow the mainstream with all the other distros that adopt wayland
[14:46] <ikonia> that's clear
[14:46] <ikonia> but ubuntu isn't making any secret of it's leading it's own path
[14:46] <ikonia> so not everything will fit with other distros
[14:47] <BluesKaj> wonder about debian's course
[14:47] <popey> debian will wait and see I expect
[14:47] <popey> they wont want to break any of the main desktops
[14:48] <ikonia> it looks like debian will go towards X/wayland from the discussions I've read
[14:48] <ikonia> it's still very earliy in the day though
[14:51] <BluesKaj> I'm going to give the Unity 8/mir image a try on usb