| elhoir | hello guys | 00:19 |
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| elhoir | im getting an strange error message in dmesg: | 00:19 |
| elhoir | "EXT4-fs (sda4): unable to read superblock" | 00:19 |
| elhoir | but im using system normally.... what does it mean? | 00:20 |
| penguin42 | what is sda4 - is that a partition you recognise? | 00:22 |
| elhoir | i think its the linux partition - let me tell you via gparted | 00:22 |
| elhoir | ah no | 00:23 |
| elhoir | sd4 is the extended partition | 00:23 |
| elhoir | which contains sda5 - the linux swap fs | 00:24 |
| elhoir | so its normal? i mean, sd4 does not contain a superblock in its own, right? | 00:25 |
| elhoir | sda4* | 00:25 |
| penguin42 | yeh, so the question is why the heck is it trying to mount it - it only gives you that error if you try and mount it | 00:26 |
| elhoir | penguin42, because i have the swap fs in it | 00:26 |
| elhoir | so its always mounting it | 00:26 |
| elhoir | in the /proc/partitions file sda4 does not exist | 00:28 |
| penguin42 | but it shouldn't normally try and mount the extended partition | 00:28 |
| rww | it might be in fstab for some reason? | 00:31 |
| elhoir | rww no it isnt | 00:32 |
| elhoir | penguin42, im uploading a picture for you to see | 00:32 |
| elhoir | (better said, trying to..... f****ng 1mb adsl) | 00:33 |
| penguin42 | a picture of what? | 00:33 |
| elhoir | gparted | 00:33 |
| elhoir | https://imageshack.com/i/exYPdVvkp | 00:33 |
| penguin42 | elhoir: fdisk -l would have got the same info as text | 00:34 |
| elhoir | ugh... heh... see, im still a n00b | 00:34 |
| elhoir | :P | 00:34 |
| elhoir | well, anyway, you can see the sda4 partition is extended | 00:35 |
| elhoir | and inside it, i have the swap partition | 00:35 |
| penguin42 | yeh - it's actually an odd layout | 00:35 |
| penguin42 | elhoir: As rww says; can you check your /etc/fstab to see if it mentioned sda4 ? | 00:35 |
| rww | i think they said it doesn't | 00:35 |
| elhoir | it doesnt | 00:35 |
| elhoir | it mentions sda5 - the swap one | 00:36 |
| elhoir | but not sda4 | 00:36 |
| penguin42 | hmm weird then | 00:36 |
| elhoir | http://pastebin.com/pCpyUSLC | 00:38 |
| penguin42 | odd, oh well - it's difficult to track down what's trying to mount it | 00:40 |
| elhoir | lets see if dmesg gives a clue..... | 00:42 |
| elhoir | nah... no clue | 00:45 |
| elhoir | http://pastebin.com/YLJPYHLA | 00:45 |
| elhoir | " 584.155102] FAT-fs (sda4): Can't find a valid FAT filesystem" <-------------- funny. Of course you cant! there is NOT any FAT fs inside! | 00:46 |
| elhoir | xD | 00:46 |
| elhoir | nor HFS fs xD | 00:47 |
| penguin42 | yeh that's where it's tried to mount it and gone through them all and each one has moaned that it's not one of them | 00:48 |
| elhoir | do you mean kernel is mounting all of the partitions to verify the fs, and then unmounts them? | 00:50 |
| penguin42 | no | 00:50 |
| penguin42 | for some reason it's trying to mount that partiton; but it doesn't know what type to expect, so it's trying to mount it with each of the filesystem types in turn | 00:51 |
| elhoir | ah ok | 00:51 |
| elhoir | should i take any action? | 00:52 |
| penguin42 | I don't think so | 00:53 |
| Nothing_Much | xmir is pretty laggy in 14.10 | 00:54 |
| elhoir | what about xserver 1.16 ? i havent upgraded yet | 00:54 |
| Nothing_Much | elhoir: how do I check which xserver I have? | 00:56 |
| Nothing_Much | terminal? | 00:56 |
| elhoir | no idea | 00:57 |
| Nothing_Much | well.. | 00:57 |
| Nothing_Much | I'm running 7.7+7ubuntu1 | 00:57 |
| elhoir | thats xorg | 00:57 |
| Nothing_Much | yeah | 00:57 |
| elhoir | i was just about to install libmirserver25 but i dont know what will happen after reboot :P | 00:58 |
| Nothing_Much | if you have two monitors | 00:59 |
| Nothing_Much | there's a regression | 00:59 |
| elhoir | no i havent | 00:59 |
| elhoir | only 1 | 00:59 |
| Nothing_Much | where the monitors aren't resolution..ed properly | 00:59 |
| Nothing_Much | oh okay | 00:59 |
| Nothing_Much | well your games may lag a bit | 00:59 |
| Nothing_Much | otherwise, basic desktop usage is okayish | 00:59 |
| Nothing_Much | for 14.10 | 00:59 |
| Nothing_Much | 14.04 has laggy games too, but it's not nearly as bad | 01:00 |
| elhoir | the question is... how do u knwo you are on top of Mir instead X ? | 01:00 |
| Nothing_Much | but I'm on radeonSI | 01:00 |
| Nothing_Much | hold up | 01:00 |
| Nothing_Much | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Installing | 01:00 |
| elhoir | ah | 01:00 |
| Nothing_Much | verifying that unity-system-compositor is running | 01:01 |
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| Nothing_Much | but honestly, I think the most important one is the first one | 01:01 |
| Nothing_Much | since the other 2 don't do much, if at all | 01:01 |
| Nothing_Much | wait | 01:01 |
| Nothing_Much | the second one is the most important one | 01:02 |
| Nothing_Much | the grep one | 01:02 |
| elhoir | so its the same as | 01:03 |
| elhoir | sudo apt-get install libmirserver25 xserver-xorg-mir | 01:03 |
| elhoir | and than | 01:03 |
| elhoir | sudo restart lightdm | 01:04 |
| elhoir | then* | 01:04 |
| elhoir | acording the the page, you are running X on top of Mir | 01:05 |
| Nothing_Much | the Xmir compatibility layer yeah | 01:07 |
| elhoir | i dont use 3d games in this laptop.... | 01:08 |
| elhoir | what about 2d performance? | 01:08 |
| elhoir | what do u think? | 01:08 |
| * elhoir is thinking in changing to Mir) | 01:08 | |
| elhoir | video playback, and so ..... | 01:09 |
| Nothing_Much | elhoir: well.. | 01:09 |
| Nothing_Much | since they use the FOSS drivers.. | 01:09 |
| Nothing_Much | I'd say you're in good hands | 01:09 |
| elhoir | :D | 01:09 |
| Nothing_Much | they being xmir | 01:09 |
| elhoir | i use a radeon HD 5145 here | 01:10 |
| elhoir | using radeon 7.4.0 driver | 01:10 |
| Nothing_Much | me too :D | 01:10 |
| Nothing_Much | well | 01:10 |
| elhoir | lol | 01:10 |
| Nothing_Much | I have an APU | 01:10 |
| Nothing_Much | but I use radeonSI :D | 01:10 |
| elhoir | what is radeonSI exactly? | 01:11 |
| * penguin42 is glad you asked that.... | 01:11 | |
| elhoir | any difference with the xserver-xorg-video-radeon driver? | 01:11 |
| Nothing_Much | elhoir: it's the mesa driver for radeon 7xxx and higher o.o | 01:12 |
| Nothing_Much | r600 is used for 6xxx to 4xxx I think | 01:12 |
| elhoir | ahhhh | 01:12 |
| elhoir | my desktop computer has an HD 6570 | 01:12 |
| elhoir | and my other laptop is an APPU with radeon HD 8400 | 01:13 |
| elhoir | so i think i only use that driver for the Acer laptop | 01:13 |
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| rainbowwarrior | hello | 05:00 |
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| BluesKaj | 'Morning folks | 10:12 |
| penguin42 | lightdm has broken for me :-( | 11:19 |
| elfy | oh dear - I had a bunch of that sort of thing last week | 11:23 |
| lordievader | I'm upgrading now to Utopic, lets see if it breaks for me too. | 11:24 |
| penguin42 | this machine has been running utopic for a month+ and it's been fine | 11:25 |
| * penguin42 filed it as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1369250 | 11:25 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1369250 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Blackscreen; lightdm not starting up after update" [Undecided,New] | 11:25 |
| penguin42 | hmph I expected it would upload some of the logs but it doesn't seem to have bothered | 11:26 |
| elfy | it also says that lightdm is not installed | 11:26 |
| lordievader | That's odd, it should not throw lightdm off an machine during an update. | 11:27 |
| elfy | hi BluesKaj | 11:29 |
| * penguin42 thinks he's found the minor problem | 11:29 | |
| BluesKaj | hey elfy | 11:29 |
| penguin42 | elfy: Yeh | 11:29 |
| penguin42 | brb | 11:30 |
| elfy | perhaps they forgot to include the brown paper and vinegar with the updates you got :) | 11:30 |
| elfy | working now? | 11:33 |
| penguin42 | yep | 11:33 |
| elfy | \o/ | 11:33 |
| jtaylor | does apt-get tab completion not work in utopic? | 11:34 |
| penguin42 | I'm not sure where the bug is though; I did an autoremove yesterday so that must have removed the lightdm; but removing lightdm should select a new dm or not try and start X at all; and it looks like upstart is still trying to start it | 11:34 |
| elfy | jtaylor: doesn't for me in recovery, but works fine in desktop | 11:34 |
| elfy | penguin42: possibly - check the history log I guess | 11:36 |
| elfy | jtaylor: I think there's a bug with apt so tab complete doesn't work with apt install foo | 11:40 |
| jtaylor | yes apt doesn't work | 11:41 |
| jtaylor | got apt-get to work, some weirdness in my local file ... | 11:41 |
| elfy | :) | 11:42 |
| Nothing_Much | does xmir get some loving on occasion? or will that happen during 15.04? | 13:00 |
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| lordievader | Upgrade to Utopic went without troubles :D | 14:02 |
| Nothing_Much | lordievader: Same here | 14:06 |
| Nothing_Much | Does xmir get some loving on occasion? or will that happen during 15.04? | 14:06 |
| lordievader | Nothing_Much: Last I heard it will take some time before mir is used. However I know nothing about Unity ;) | 14:07 |
| Nothing_Much | lordievader: Well, Mir keeps getting updated for phones and tablets | 14:07 |
| Nothing_Much | XMir is the compatibility layer for "legacy" xorg apps | 14:07 |
| Nothing_Much | such as Bitfighter and Steam | 14:07 |
| Nothing_Much | and pretty much every application that's on GNU/Linux | 14:08 |
| Nothing_Much | XMir on 14.04 though did work somewhat, stuttering happened in Source games, but 14.10 the multi monitor support was borked | 14:09 |
| lordievader | To quote a conversation of a few days ago: 20:45 < ktogias> Hi. I just downloaded the latest utopic daily build for testing purposes, and I realized that the live systems runs on X server. Isn't it supposed that utopic will ship with unity 8 over Mir display server? Have I missed something? | 14:09 |
| lordievader | 20:48 < rww> no, utopic is not supposed to ship with unity 8 over mir | 14:09 |
| lordievader | 20:49 < rww> and to answer the question you're about to ask: some time before 16.04, I believe | 14:09 |
| Nothing_Much | Regarding XMir, I meant when development will start to chug along faster, not when it's going to be enabled by default | 14:12 |
| Nothing_Much | which may happen in 15.04 or 15.10 | 14:12 |
| Nothing_Much | most likely 15.10 | 14:12 |
| Nothing_Much | and Unity 8 for desktops I really want to happen for 15.10 especiallyy | 14:13 |
| Nothing_Much | *especially | 14:13 |
| Daekdroom | There is a Utopic ISO that ships with Mir and Unity 8, but it's for testing purposes only. | 14:17 |
| lordievader | Nothing_Much: Like I said I know nothing about Unity. Cannot help you with that. | 14:17 |
| Nothing_Much | lordievader: Yeah, no problem | 14:17 |
| Nothing_Much | Daekdroom: Yeah, but I wish I could use my VM to test it, but Virtualbox doesn't support Mir yet | 14:18 |
| Daekdroom | Use a LiveUSB | 14:18 |
| lordievader | Nothing_Much: KVM might support it. | 14:19 |
| BluesKaj | Daekdroom, got a url ? | 14:19 |
| BluesKaj | i wouldn't install 14.10 with Unity/mir on my hdd but live media image would be fun to try | 14:20 |
| Daekdroom | Bluefoxicy, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/ | 14:20 |
| Daekdroom | Oops. | 14:20 |
| Daekdroom | BluesKaj, ^ | 14:20 |
| BluesKaj | thanks Daekdroom | 14:20 |
| popey | Nothing_Much: i will ask about xmir but i think the focus is on mir at the moment | 14:22 |
| Nothing_Much | popey: yeah that's what's happening *right now* | 14:22 |
| Nothing_Much | I'm talking about future endeavours :) | 14:22 |
| popey | i know | 14:23 |
| popey | the goal is to have unity8 on mir by default "By 16.04" | 14:23 |
| popey | which means it really needs to either be in 15.04 or 15.10, but I don't think that's been decided yet | 14:24 |
| Nothing_Much | yeah, intend to do that! | 14:24 |
| popey | don't think we want to have another x based release in 2016 | 14:24 |
| Nothing_Much | nobody does I'm sure | 14:24 |
| Nothing_Much | except Valve | 14:24 |
| BluesKaj | don't kde/kubuntu is going with mir. seems wayland is in it's future | 14:29 |
| BluesKaj | think | 14:30 |
| Nothing_Much | depends, really | 14:30 |
| Nothing_Much | they could just implement both | 14:30 |
| Nothing_Much | shouldn't take long, right? | 14:30 |
| lordievader | Nothing_Much: The KDE developers rather want to spend time in a display system that is used on more than one distro ;) | 14:31 |
| Nothing_Much | it's confusing to me though | 14:32 |
| BluesKaj | lordievader, +1 :) | 14:32 |
| Nothing_Much | since Mir is a display server and Wayland is a protocol | 14:32 |
| BluesKaj | semantics | 14:32 |
| Nothing_Much | but yeah I see the point, but there's tons of different things that power the Internet as well as Linux | 14:32 |
| Nothing_Much | semantics? | 14:32 |
| BluesKaj | Nothing_Much, for all intents and purposes, yes. if kubuntu implements wayland , the X is going by the wayside (no pun intended) whetherr it's a prortocol or server won't matter in the end to users | 14:35 |
| ikonia | I thought kubuntu had decided wayland was the way to go and mir was off the table | 14:36 |
| Nothing_Much | that's what happened | 14:36 |
| lordievader | Thought so too. | 14:37 |
| BluesKaj | yup ikonia afaik wayland is in kubuntu's future | 14:38 |
| ikonia | ok cool, I'm on the same page then | 14:39 |
| popey | (which is of course fine) | 14:41 |
| ikonia | why would it be a problem ? | 14:43 |
| ikonia | (or bad) | 14:43 |
| popey | well indeed. | 14:43 |
| Bluefoxicy | WAT | 14:43 |
| popey | lots of people seem to paint it as a problem | 14:43 |
| ikonia | I don't see why | 14:44 |
| ikonia | you use the tools that fit your need | 14:44 |
| BluesKaj | perhaps my choice of words could have been better about the semantics comments, I wasn't implying that wayland wasn't going to be used, merely that whether it's a server or a protocol makes no difference to the user | 14:44 |
| popey | I think because people perceive that an official ubuntu flavour not using the same technology underneath that the main distro uses is some kind of big issue | 14:44 |
| popey | but also it didn't help that there were some heated public discussions about it | 14:45 |
| popey | which painted canonical / ubuntu in a bad light from the k side | 14:45 |
| ikonia | the only issue is that it suited the project to use X instead of Y because X met the needs | 14:45 |
| ikonia | it's not really it's a choice | 14:45 |
| ikonia | the same as anyone is free to do | 14:45 |
| BluesKaj | well, i guess ubuntu is seeking a different direction and kubuntu will follow the mainstream with all the other distros that adopt wayland | 14:46 |
| ikonia | that's clear | 14:46 |
| ikonia | but ubuntu isn't making any secret of it's leading it's own path | 14:46 |
| ikonia | so not everything will fit with other distros | 14:46 |
| BluesKaj | wonder about debian's course | 14:47 |
| popey | debian will wait and see I expect | 14:47 |
| popey | they wont want to break any of the main desktops | 14:47 |
| ikonia | it looks like debian will go towards X/wayland from the discussions I've read | 14:48 |
| ikonia | it's still very earliy in the day though | 14:48 |
| BluesKaj | I'm going to give the Unity 8/mir image a try on usb | 14:51 |
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