[00:19] hello guys [00:19] im getting an strange error message in dmesg: [00:19] "EXT4-fs (sda4): unable to read superblock" [00:20] but im using system normally.... what does it mean? [00:22] what is sda4 - is that a partition you recognise? [00:22] i think its the linux partition - let me tell you via gparted [00:23] ah no [00:23] sd4 is the extended partition [00:24] which contains sda5 - the linux swap fs [00:25] so its normal? i mean, sd4 does not contain a superblock in its own, right? [00:25] sda4* [00:26] yeh, so the question is why the heck is it trying to mount it - it only gives you that error if you try and mount it [00:26] penguin42, because i have the swap fs in it [00:26] so its always mounting it [00:28] in the /proc/partitions file sda4 does not exist [00:28] but it shouldn't normally try and mount the extended partition [00:31] it might be in fstab for some reason? [00:32] rww no it isnt [00:32] penguin42, im uploading a picture for you to see [00:33] (better said, trying to..... f****ng 1mb adsl) [00:33] a picture of what? [00:33] gparted [00:33] https://imageshack.com/i/exYPdVvkp [00:34] elhoir: fdisk -l would have got the same info as text [00:34] ugh... heh... see, im still a n00b [00:34] :P [00:35] well, anyway, you can see the sda4 partition is extended [00:35] and inside it, i have the swap partition [00:35] yeh - it's actually an odd layout [00:35] elhoir: As rww says; can you check your /etc/fstab to see if it mentioned sda4 ? [00:35] i think they said it doesn't [00:35] it doesnt [00:36] it mentions sda5 - the swap one [00:36] but not sda4 [00:36] hmm weird then [00:38] http://pastebin.com/pCpyUSLC [00:40] odd, oh well - it's difficult to track down what's trying to mount it [00:42] lets see if dmesg gives a clue..... [00:45] nah... no clue [00:45] http://pastebin.com/YLJPYHLA [00:46] " 584.155102] FAT-fs (sda4): Can't find a valid FAT filesystem" <-------------- funny. Of course you cant! there is NOT any FAT fs inside! [00:46] xD [00:47] nor HFS fs xD [00:48] yeh that's where it's tried to mount it and gone through them all and each one has moaned that it's not one of them [00:50] do you mean kernel is mounting all of the partitions to verify the fs, and then unmounts them? [00:50] no [00:51] for some reason it's trying to mount that partiton; but it doesn't know what type to expect, so it's trying to mount it with each of the filesystem types in turn [00:51] ah ok [00:52] should i take any action? [00:53] I don't think so [00:54] xmir is pretty laggy in 14.10 [00:54] what about xserver 1.16 ? i havent upgraded yet [00:56] elhoir: how do I check which xserver I have? [00:56] terminal? [00:57] no idea [00:57] well.. [00:57] I'm running 7.7+7ubuntu1 [00:57] thats xorg [00:57] yeah [00:58] i was just about to install libmirserver25 but i dont know what will happen after reboot :P [00:59] if you have two monitors [00:59] there's a regression [00:59] no i havent [00:59] only 1 [00:59] where the monitors aren't resolution..ed properly [00:59] oh okay [00:59] well your games may lag a bit [00:59] otherwise, basic desktop usage is okayish [00:59] for 14.10 [01:00] 14.04 has laggy games too, but it's not nearly as bad [01:00] the question is... how do u knwo you are on top of Mir instead X ? [01:00] but I'm on radeonSI [01:00] hold up [01:00] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Installing [01:00] ah [01:01] verifying that unity-system-compositor is running === Gasseus is now known as Rallias [01:01] but honestly, I think the most important one is the first one [01:01] since the other 2 don't do much, if at all [01:01] wait [01:02] the second one is the most important one [01:02] the grep one [01:03] so its the same as [01:03] sudo apt-get install libmirserver25 xserver-xorg-mir [01:03] and than [01:04] sudo restart lightdm [01:04] then* [01:05] acording the the page, you are running X on top of Mir [01:07] the Xmir compatibility layer yeah [01:08] i dont use 3d games in this laptop.... [01:08] what about 2d performance? [01:08] what do u think? [01:08] * elhoir is thinking in changing to Mir) [01:09] video playback, and so ..... [01:09] elhoir: well.. [01:09] since they use the FOSS drivers.. [01:09] I'd say you're in good hands [01:09] :D [01:09] they being xmir [01:10] i use a radeon HD 5145 here [01:10] using radeon 7.4.0 driver [01:10] me too :D [01:10] well [01:10] lol [01:10] I have an APU [01:10] but I use radeonSI :D [01:11] what is radeonSI exactly? [01:11] * penguin42 is glad you asked that.... [01:11] any difference with the xserver-xorg-video-radeon driver? [01:12] elhoir: it's the mesa driver for radeon 7xxx and higher o.o [01:12] r600 is used for 6xxx to 4xxx I think [01:12] ahhhh [01:12] my desktop computer has an HD 6570 [01:13] and my other laptop is an APPU with radeon HD 8400 [01:13] so i think i only use that driver for the Acer laptop === hachre_ is now known as hachre [05:00] hello === Malinux_ is now known as Malinux [10:12] 'Morning folks [11:19] lightdm has broken for me :-( [11:23] oh dear - I had a bunch of that sort of thing last week [11:24] I'm upgrading now to Utopic, lets see if it breaks for me too. [11:25] this machine has been running utopic for a month+ and it's been fine [11:25] * penguin42 filed it as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1369250 [11:25] Launchpad bug 1369250 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Blackscreen; lightdm not starting up after update" [Undecided,New] [11:26] hmph I expected it would upload some of the logs but it doesn't seem to have bothered [11:26] it also says that lightdm is not installed [11:27] That's odd, it should not throw lightdm off an machine during an update. [11:29] hi BluesKaj [11:29] * penguin42 thinks he's found the minor problem [11:29] hey elfy [11:29] elfy: Yeh [11:30] brb [11:30] perhaps they forgot to include the brown paper and vinegar with the updates you got :) [11:33] working now? [11:33] yep [11:33] \o/ [11:34] does apt-get tab completion not work in utopic? [11:34] I'm not sure where the bug is though; I did an autoremove yesterday so that must have removed the lightdm; but removing lightdm should select a new dm or not try and start X at all; and it looks like upstart is still trying to start it [11:34] jtaylor: doesn't for me in recovery, but works fine in desktop [11:36] penguin42: possibly - check the history log I guess [11:40] jtaylor: I think there's a bug with apt so tab complete doesn't work with apt install foo [11:41] yes apt doesn't work [11:41] got apt-get to work, some weirdness in my local file ... [11:42] :) [13:00] does xmir get some loving on occasion? or will that happen during 15.04? === rgouveia_ is now known as rgouveia [14:02] Upgrade to Utopic went without troubles :D [14:06] lordievader: Same here [14:06] Does xmir get some loving on occasion? or will that happen during 15.04? [14:07] Nothing_Much: Last I heard it will take some time before mir is used. However I know nothing about Unity ;) [14:07] lordievader: Well, Mir keeps getting updated for phones and tablets [14:07] XMir is the compatibility layer for "legacy" xorg apps [14:07] such as Bitfighter and Steam [14:08] and pretty much every application that's on GNU/Linux [14:09] XMir on 14.04 though did work somewhat, stuttering happened in Source games, but 14.10 the multi monitor support was borked [14:09] To quote a conversation of a few days ago: 20:45 < ktogias> Hi. I just downloaded the latest utopic daily build for testing purposes, and I realized that the live systems runs on X server. Isn't it supposed that utopic will ship with unity 8 over Mir display server? Have I missed something? [14:09] 20:48 < rww> no, utopic is not supposed to ship with unity 8 over mir [14:09] 20:49 < rww> and to answer the question you're about to ask: some time before 16.04, I believe [14:12] Regarding XMir, I meant when development will start to chug along faster, not when it's going to be enabled by default [14:12] which may happen in 15.04 or 15.10 [14:12] most likely 15.10 [14:13] and Unity 8 for desktops I really want to happen for 15.10 especiallyy [14:13] *especially [14:17] There is a Utopic ISO that ships with Mir and Unity 8, but it's for testing purposes only. [14:17] Nothing_Much: Like I said I know nothing about Unity. Cannot help you with that. [14:17] lordievader: Yeah, no problem [14:18] Daekdroom: Yeah, but I wish I could use my VM to test it, but Virtualbox doesn't support Mir yet [14:18] Use a LiveUSB [14:19] Nothing_Much: KVM might support it. [14:19] Daekdroom, got a url ? [14:20] i wouldn't install 14.10 with Unity/mir on my hdd but live media image would be fun to try [14:20] Bluefoxicy, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/ [14:20] Oops. [14:20] BluesKaj, ^ [14:20] thanks Daekdroom [14:22] Nothing_Much: i will ask about xmir but i think the focus is on mir at the moment [14:22] popey: yeah that's what's happening *right now* [14:22] I'm talking about future endeavours :) [14:23] i know [14:23] the goal is to have unity8 on mir by default "By 16.04" [14:24] which means it really needs to either be in 15.04 or 15.10, but I don't think that's been decided yet [14:24] yeah, intend to do that! [14:24] don't think we want to have another x based release in 2016 [14:24] nobody does I'm sure [14:24] except Valve [14:29] don't kde/kubuntu is going with mir. seems wayland is in it's future [14:30] think [14:30] depends, really [14:30] they could just implement both [14:30] shouldn't take long, right? [14:31] Nothing_Much: The KDE developers rather want to spend time in a display system that is used on more than one distro ;) [14:32] it's confusing to me though [14:32] lordievader, +1 :) [14:32] since Mir is a display server and Wayland is a protocol [14:32] semantics [14:32] but yeah I see the point, but there's tons of different things that power the Internet as well as Linux [14:32] semantics? [14:35] Nothing_Much, for all intents and purposes, yes. if kubuntu implements wayland , the X is going by the wayside (no pun intended) whetherr it's a prortocol or server won't matter in the end to users [14:36] I thought kubuntu had decided wayland was the way to go and mir was off the table [14:36] that's what happened [14:37] Thought so too. [14:38] yup ikonia afaik wayland is in kubuntu's future [14:39] ok cool, I'm on the same page then [14:41] (which is of course fine) [14:43] why would it be a problem ? [14:43] (or bad) [14:43] well indeed. [14:43] WAT [14:43] lots of people seem to paint it as a problem [14:44] I don't see why [14:44] you use the tools that fit your need [14:44] perhaps my choice of words could have been better about the semantics comments, I wasn't implying that wayland wasn't going to be used, merely that whether it's a server or a protocol makes no difference to the user [14:44] I think because people perceive that an official ubuntu flavour not using the same technology underneath that the main distro uses is some kind of big issue [14:45] but also it didn't help that there were some heated public discussions about it [14:45] which painted canonical / ubuntu in a bad light from the k side [14:45] the only issue is that it suited the project to use X instead of Y because X met the needs [14:45] it's not really it's a choice [14:45] the same as anyone is free to do [14:46] well, i guess ubuntu is seeking a different direction and kubuntu will follow the mainstream with all the other distros that adopt wayland [14:46] that's clear [14:46] but ubuntu isn't making any secret of it's leading it's own path [14:46] so not everything will fit with other distros [14:47] wonder about debian's course [14:47] debian will wait and see I expect [14:47] they wont want to break any of the main desktops [14:48] it looks like debian will go towards X/wayland from the discussions I've read [14:48] it's still very earliy in the day though [14:51] I'm going to give the Unity 8/mir image a try on usb === penguin421 is now known as penguin42 === Guest95895 is now known as DJones === DJones is now known as Guest53117 === DGJones is now known as DJones === Gasseus is now known as Rallias