[03:10] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Global jamming!
[06:11] <Noxchi> i got a question ... anyone here?
[06:12] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, heya
[06:12] <Akiva-Thinkpad> whats up?
[06:12] <Noxchi> finally :)
[06:12] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, :P
[06:12] <Noxchi> ok here is the thing ...
[06:12] <Akiva-Thinkpad> okay*
[06:12] <Noxchi> Is it possible to have the GNOME Flashback Session with the Unity, both at the same time in the Ubuntu Desktop? i have 14.04 installed
[06:13] <Akiva-Thinkpad> gnome flashback?
[06:13] <Akiva-Thinkpad> no idea what that is
[06:13] <Noxchi> fallback?
[06:13] <Akiva-Thinkpad> fallback... as in, if unity crashes, it defaults to gnome 2.0?
[06:14] <Noxchi> well like to have the option to choose between 2 sessions on startup
[06:14] <Noxchi> unity and anything else,
[06:14] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, oh at login
[06:14] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, so thus, use a gnome session, or use a unity session?
[06:14] <Akiva-Thinkpad> or kde, or xfce
[06:14] <Akiva-Thinkpad> etc etc
[06:14] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ?
[06:14] <Noxchi> btw im new to ubuntu, to linux tho
[06:14] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, welcome :)
[06:14] <Noxchi> yes Akiva
[06:14] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ah good question
[06:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> So, at the same time.... not really
[06:15] <Noxchi> (oh good question) makes me feel smart :D
[06:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> i mean, you can't have cake, and eat it too
[06:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> however
[06:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> at login, you can have the choice
[06:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> now
[06:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> what makes it a good question, is whether having that choice is a good thing
[06:16] <Akiva-Thinkpad> so let me explain
[06:16] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Are you familiar with kde?
[06:16] <Noxchi> nope
[06:16] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, okay great
[06:16] <Akiva-Thinkpad> so
[06:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> kde is a desktop environment
[06:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> just like unity
[06:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> just like gnome
[06:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> its what the desktop looks like
[06:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> sec
[06:17] <Noxchi> im ditching windows forever so ive been thro ubuntu since like last weekend and im getting better i guess
[06:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> i'll give some screenshots
[06:17] <Noxchi> alright
[06:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, wow; enjoy the ride
[06:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> so... lets see here
[06:17]  * Akiva-Thinkpad grabs some youtubes
[06:18] <Noxchi> good ,
[06:18] <Noxchi> ive been thro lots of youtubes and sites and so ...
[06:18] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Kde-3.2.3-es-es.png
[06:19] <Akiva-Thinkpad> so that is a picture of someone using a kde3 desktop
[06:19] <Akiva-Thinkpad> see how it looks kind of similar to windows?
[06:19] <Noxchi> yeah
[06:19] <Akiva-Thinkpad> see how it has very blue icons?
[06:19] <Noxchi> yep
[06:19] <Akiva-Thinkpad> see how many of the applications start with the letter k?
[06:20] <Akiva-Thinkpad> kate, konquerer
[06:20] <Akiva-Thinkpad> kedit kwrite
[06:20] <Noxchi> yeah
[06:20] <Akiva-Thinkpad> okay
[06:20] <Akiva-Thinkpad> great
[06:20] <Akiva-Thinkpad> so are you on ubuntu right now?
[06:20] <Noxchi> yes
[06:20] <Akiva-Thinkpad> okay press the super key to bring up the dash
[06:21] <Noxchi> alright ... and /
[06:21] <Akiva-Thinkpad> do you know what the super key is?
[06:21] <Noxchi> yes
[06:21] <Akiva-Thinkpad> okay you got the dash; type "gedit"
[06:21] <Akiva-Thinkpad> and a text editor will appear
[06:21] <Noxchi> opened it
[06:21] <Akiva-Thinkpad> okay
[06:21] <Akiva-Thinkpad> so
[06:22] <Akiva-Thinkpad> when you install kde, it will often install with a whole set of applications that start with k
[06:22] <Akiva-Thinkpad> kedit for example
[06:22] <Noxchi> got that
[06:22] <Akiva-Thinkpad> when you install gnome, you will do the same
[06:22] <Akiva-Thinkpad> gedit
[06:22] <Akiva-Thinkpad> gnome-edit
[06:22] <Akiva-Thinkpad> kde-edit
[06:22] <Noxchi> alright
[06:22] <Akiva-Thinkpad> so say you had two desktop environments
[06:23] <Akiva-Thinkpad> well, now when you want to edit a document, you will have a kde version of a text editor, and a gnome version
[06:23] <Akiva-Thinkpad> same thing with the browser
[06:23] <Akiva-Thinkpad> k browser, gbrowser,
[06:23] <Akiva-Thinkpad> same thing with the screen brightness settings
[06:23] <Akiva-Thinkpad> kscreen
[06:23] <Akiva-Thinkpad> gscreen
[06:23] <Noxchi> yeah yeah
[06:23] <Akiva-Thinkpad> so what will happen is that when you have kde installed
[06:24] <Akiva-Thinkpad> and you go to your start bar
[06:24] <Akiva-Thinkpad> it is going to be twice as big
[06:24] <Akiva-Thinkpad> and sometimes you will have different icons fighting with eachother,
[06:24] <Akiva-Thinkpad> blue icon here
[06:24] <Akiva-Thinkpad> kde icon there
[06:24] <Akiva-Thinkpad> gnome icon elsewhere
[06:25] <Noxchi> aha
[06:25] <Akiva-Thinkpad> so you can see how having two desktop environments can be troublesome?
[06:25] <Noxchi> yeah :/
[06:25] <Akiva-Thinkpad> now from what I understand, new technologies are looking to solve this
[06:25] <Akiva-Thinkpad> but they are some time down the road
[06:26] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, what I personally do, is that I just make a multiboot.
[06:26] <Akiva-Thinkpad> so for kde, I'd just run kubuntu
[06:26] <Akiva-Thinkpad> or maybe opensuse
[06:26] <Akiva-Thinkpad> for unity, I would run ubuntu
[06:26] <Noxchi> i see
[06:26] <Akiva-Thinkpad> for gnome, maybe fedora
[06:27] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, now I as a developer prefer unity for its functionality
[06:27] <Akiva-Thinkpad> although I think kde looks nicer
[06:27] <Akiva-Thinkpad> care to guess why I like unity?
[06:27] <Noxchi> i dont care much about the look tho ,,, i think its more stable..
[06:28] <Akiva-Thinkpad> oh btw; kde is a desktop environment tailored for people who LOVE choice, and love configuring
[06:28] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, yah unity is pretty stable; or rather unity7 is
[06:28] <Noxchi> well for me  as ex-windows ... its very stable
[06:28] <Akiva-Thinkpad> it isn't going to change any time soon; unity 8 will probably be released in two years
[06:29] <Akiva-Thinkpad> lol
[06:29] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Actually; I'll tell you a secret
[06:29] <Noxchi> go ahead
[06:29] <Akiva-Thinkpad> don't tell anyone, but I actually thought windows 8 looked really nice :)
[06:29] <Noxchi> really!
[06:29] <Akiva-Thinkpad> that being said, I hated it from a functional point of view
[06:30] <Akiva-Thinkpad> nothing bugged me more than trying to find out how to change my screen resolution
[06:30] <Akiva-Thinkpad> because typing it into its search sure didnt help
[06:30] <Akiva-Thinkpad> but the animations looked nice imo
[06:30] <Noxchi> well , graphics on ubuntu is a bit cheesy
[06:31] <Noxchi> but i got a question - as im still new to ubuntu
[06:31] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Also the file system really bugged me, in that it mirrored itself, cutting down my 20 gig partition, to 10 gigs, minus the os, to 5 gigs, minus the game I wanted to play to -3 gigs
[06:31] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Arghh!!
[06:31] <Akiva-Thinkpad> (I wasnt able to play it.
[06:32] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, oh sorry; whats the question?
[06:32] <Noxchi> well, how about, if im going for a try from unity to gnome,,, and then, is there a way to revert back to unity?  like in case i dont want gnome
[06:33] <Noxchi> *fallback
[06:33] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, hmmm good question
[06:34] <Noxchi> lol i felt stupid asking it tho
[06:34] <Akiva-Thinkpad> no, its a great question,
[06:34] <Akiva-Thinkpad> its sort of like that windows issue; uninstalling something but the libs remain...
[06:34] <Akiva-Thinkpad> how easy is it to do with gnome....?
[06:35] <Noxchi> im not sure i got your question
[06:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, you know what, I am not the best qualified individual for asking this, but if you go into #ubuntu, there are 1600 some odd users who likely have more experience with this than I
[06:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> oh
[06:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> right
[06:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> the reason I like unity as a developer
[06:36] <Noxchi> aha
[06:36] <Akiva-Thinkpad> is the hud
[06:36] <Akiva-Thinkpad> its a feature most users don't know about
[06:36] <Akiva-Thinkpad> the dash is the super key
[06:36] <Akiva-Thinkpad> the hud is the left alt key
[06:36] <Noxchi> i actually like it
[06:36] <Akiva-Thinkpad> press the left alt
[06:36] <Akiva-Thinkpad> it should say "Please type your command"
[06:36] <Noxchi> yeah i know hud and dash
[06:37] <Akiva-Thinkpad> oh wow :P
[06:37] <Noxchi> wait
[06:37] <Noxchi> it doesnt say PLEASE ! it just says type  your command ! lol
[06:37] <Akiva-Thinkpad> heh
[06:37] <Akiva-Thinkpad> that must be a 14.10 thing
[06:37] <Noxchi> nope
[06:37] <Noxchi> 14.04
[06:38] <Akiva-Thinkpad> oh I'm on 14.10
[06:38] <Akiva-Thinkpad> thats what I mean :P
[06:38] <Noxchi> oh ok
[06:38] <Akiva-Thinkpad> heh
[06:38] <Akiva-Thinkpad> want some other cool secrets?
[06:38] <Noxchi> btw, do u advice i go for 14.10 right away
[06:38] <Akiva-Thinkpad> press ctrl+alt+t
[06:38] <Noxchi> yeah i know that lol
[06:39] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, Definitely not, unless you are planning to do some development and testing (ie contributing back to opensource)
[06:39] <Noxchi> ive been lots of key shortcuts, ive explored almost everything in ccsm
[06:39] <Akiva-Thinkpad> 14.10 is unstable
[06:39] <Noxchi> well then im staying on 14.04
[06:39] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, very cool
[06:39] <Noxchi> but yeah u can still give me some of what u know,, im still a new baby
[06:39] <Akiva-Thinkpad> do you know super m?
[06:40] <Noxchi> thats a new one... nice !
[06:40] <Akiva-Thinkpad> yah search for music
[06:40] <Akiva-Thinkpad> have it play right away :)
[06:40] <Noxchi> Cool!
[06:40] <Akiva-Thinkpad> do you like the terminal at all?
[06:40] <Akiva-Thinkpad> its really fun to learn
[06:41] <Noxchi> not much but im welling to go for it for sure
[06:41] <Akiva-Thinkpad> okay
[06:41] <Noxchi> its actually the main reason i switched to linux
[06:41] <Akiva-Thinkpad> oh great
[06:41] <Akiva-Thinkpad> so ctrl atl t
[06:41] <Akiva-Thinkpad> the first thing we will install is guake
[06:42] <Noxchi> and that is ... ?
[06:42] <Akiva-Thinkpad> so in a terminal, type "sudo apt-get install guake"
[06:42] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, its a terminal :P
[06:42] <Noxchi> guake ?
[06:42] <Akiva-Thinkpad> but you activate it by pressing f12
[06:42] <Akiva-Thinkpad> yep
[06:42] <Akiva-Thinkpad> the reason it is nice is that it sits on a widget layer
[06:42] <Akiva-Thinkpad> instead of being a window that you have to manage
[06:43] <Noxchi> installed
[06:43] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, btw, do you know what "Tab" does in the terminal?
[06:43] <Noxchi> not yet :)
[06:44] <Akiva-Thinkpad> tab is used for autocompleting
[06:44] <Akiva-Thinkpad> so type gua
[06:44] <Noxchi> it does something with completig
[06:44] <Akiva-Thinkpad> and press tab
[06:44] <Noxchi> yeah
[06:44] <Akiva-Thinkpad> yep
[06:44] <Akiva-Thinkpad> now, do you know how to paste in a terminal?
[06:44] <Noxchi> yeah
[06:44] <Akiva-Thinkpad> on the keyboard?
[06:44] <Noxchi> ctrl shift v
[06:44] <Akiva-Thinkpad> im surprised
[06:44] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ermmm?
[06:45] <Akiva-Thinkpad> now im surprised
[06:45]  * Akiva-Thinkpad checks
[06:45] <Noxchi> what
[06:45] <Akiva-Thinkpad> didnt know ctrl shift v worked
[06:45] <Noxchi> alright now u know lol
[06:45] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Yep I learned something
[06:45] <Akiva-Thinkpad> shorter way to do it, is shift insert
[06:46] <Akiva-Thinkpad> do you know how to paste the last thing highlighted?
[06:46] <Akiva-Thinkpad> highlight some text, and then middle click in a text bos
[06:46] <Akiva-Thinkpad> box*
[06:46] <Noxchi> im on laptop
[06:47] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ah
[06:47] <Noxchi> i mean no middle click
[06:47] <Akiva-Thinkpad> try a double press?
[06:47] <Akiva-Thinkpad> tapping with both fingers?
[06:47] <Noxchi> nope
[06:47] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I think that simulates a middle press
[06:47] <Akiva-Thinkpad> bah
[06:47] <Akiva-Thinkpad> get a thinkpad next time if you can :P
[06:48] <Noxchi> lol okay
[06:48] <Akiva-Thinkpad> (although not the new ones with their lousy touchpads. Damn apple fad)
[06:48] <Noxchi> hey btw
[06:48] <Akiva-Thinkpad> hmmm?
[06:48] <Noxchi> i installed some webapps
[06:48] <Akiva-Thinkpad> oh I feel sorry for you :P
[06:48] <Noxchi> but i got a problem i
[06:48] <Akiva-Thinkpad> yah?
[06:49] <Noxchi> im not able to change font size
[06:49] <Noxchi> like twitter youtube blabla
[06:49] <Akiva-Thinkpad> uhmm
[06:49] <Akiva-Thinkpad> click on the page
[06:49] <Akiva-Thinkpad> hold ctrl
[06:49] <Akiva-Thinkpad> and scroll up
[06:50] <Noxchi> nah that didnt work
[06:50] <Noxchi> crtl with + doesnt work too
[06:50] <Akiva-Thinkpad> what kind of web app are you talking about?
[06:50] <Akiva-Thinkpad> like in chrome?
[06:50] <Noxchi> right now tried twitter
[06:50] <Akiva-Thinkpad> hmmm
[06:50] <Noxchi> no i dont have chrome at all
[06:51] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, okay pro tip in the mean time
[06:51] <Akiva-Thinkpad> go to the terminal
[06:51] <Noxchi> alright
[06:51] <Akiva-Thinkpad> and sudo apt-get install shutter
[06:52] <Akiva-Thinkpad> shutter is a screenshot tool that makes it super easy to upload screenshots to imgur
[06:52] <Akiva-Thinkpad> and easy to share
[06:52] <Noxchi> ah nice
[06:52] <Noxchi> i use the printscreen one and i kinda like it
[06:52] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I use it all the time; really useful in software development
[06:52] <Noxchi> ah okay good then
[06:52] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, yah that is nice, copy to clipboard
[06:53] <Akiva-Thinkpad> but you still need to upload it to the internet
[06:53] <Noxchi> yep works with shift for a defined area which makes it good for me
[06:53] <Akiva-Thinkpad> shutter allows you to do that with a menu command
[06:53] <Noxchi> good enough
[06:53] <Akiva-Thinkpad> mmm hmm
[06:53] <Noxchi> its installing :D
[06:53] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, do you do any programming yet?
[06:53] <Akiva-Thinkpad> say in python?
[06:54] <Noxchi> nope
[06:54] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, want to take your first steps into it?
[06:54] <Noxchi> just a bignner in that ... a bit less
[06:54] <Akiva-Thinkpad> its really fun
[06:54] <Akiva-Thinkpad> :)
[06:55] <Akiva-Thinkpad> the reason why learning python is good, is that it is really handy for creating scripts
[06:55] <Noxchi> it is and im welling to go for it,,,  my main knowledge is more into networking and troubleshooting and so on... but later ive been digging more into open source and welling to go further
[06:55] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I use it a lot to generate code funny enough
[06:56] <Akiva-Thinkpad> oh a networking guru
[06:56]  * Akiva-Thinkpad bows
[06:56] <Akiva-Thinkpad> :)
[06:56] <Noxchi> lol
[06:56] <Akiva-Thinkpad> networking is the devil for me
[06:56] <Akiva-Thinkpad> not really, but it sort of is
[06:56] <Akiva-Thinkpad> its like a swamp
[06:56] <Akiva-Thinkpad> that trecking through it just feels slow and arduous
[06:56] <Akiva-Thinkpad> anyways
[06:57] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, http://codebunk.com/b/6577480/
[06:57] <Akiva-Thinkpad> hop on over here
[06:57] <Akiva-Thinkpad> we can edit python together
[06:57] <Akiva-Thinkpad> and even run the scripts there
[06:58] <Noxchi> just a second
[06:58] <Noxchi> i dont wana forget that thing i asked you about... the font size in webapps
[06:59] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, open up shutter and show me this webapp you are speaking of
[06:59] <Akiva-Thinkpad> once you take the screenshot, press left alt, type "Export"
[06:59] <Akiva-Thinkpad> and choose imgur
[07:00] <Noxchi> http://tinypic.com/r/30li9m9/8
[07:01] <Akiva-Thinkpad> oh god, not tinypic
[07:01] <Akiva-Thinkpad> so many ads!
[07:01] <Akiva-Thinkpad> imgur always best :)
[07:02] <Akiva-Thinkpad> humm
[07:02] <Noxchi> see that tiny small font, its in all webapps ... (webapps im talking about are those which ubuntu suggests you to install
[07:02] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, try using the hud
[07:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> and typing in "zoom"
[07:03] <Noxchi> k lets see
[07:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> you should see a "zoom in " option
[07:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> if the webapp is running in firefox
[07:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> if its not, then bug filing time :)
[07:04] <Noxchi> nope nothing ... only options are reload and quit
[07:04] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, yah sorry can't help you then
[07:05] <Noxchi> would that be possible if i used chromium?
[07:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> file a bug maybe; although you would need to sign up for launchpad first
[07:05] <Noxchi> :D
[07:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> don't know
[07:05] <Noxchi> i signed up yesterday lol
[07:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> then find the web app in question
[07:06] <Noxchi> well do
[07:06] <Noxchi> now im in codebunk if u still wana
[07:06] <Akiva-Thinkpad> anyways onto python
[07:07] <Noxchi> Akiva-Thinkpad:  cant type anything
[07:07] <Akiva-Thinkpad> oh wait
[07:08] <Akiva-Thinkpad> one sec
[07:08] <Akiva-Thinkpad> go ahead
[07:08] <Noxchi> i didnt notice the box on the right lower corner... now im typing but not able to send
[07:09] <Akiva-Thinkpad> nope; I had to enable collaboration
[07:09] <Akiva-Thinkpad> go ahead
[08:52] <Noxchi> Akiva-Thinkpad:
[08:52] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, heya