[01:48]  * RedDeath Back
[04:16] <urielvigilant> I have lots of time invested in my Lubuntu 14.04.1, after intallastion. Time asking "How to do it" here and on google, to make my wifi laptop work, to make my pen 4G Lte work, to make my scanner and printer work, to improve graphics, to have wine, to make it Hibernate, to make it read DVDs, an other stuffs i dont remember now. So if i need one day to install a new version on another laptop...
[04:16] <urielvigilant> ...with this configurations , how to do it ?
[10:32] <ubuxubu> why  wont lubuntu do full screen mode when run in a VM?
[10:32] <ubuxubu> i just tried same thing with ubuntu and it will
[10:35] <testdr> ubuxubu: what versions? There is no difference for the kernel and x11 between ubuntu and lubuntu.
[16:53] <Ahmuck> why is the 64bit iso 700+ mb?
[17:13] <testdr> Ahmuck: 64bit + some 32bit modules and 64bit is always a bit larger
[17:15] <testdr> Ahmuck: and the i386 Lubuntu-14.04.1 is large, its 729808896bytes
[18:02] <Ahmuck> testdr: ya, looking for 64bit 700mb cd
[18:02] <Ahmuck> *shrugs*
[18:02] <Ahmuck> bloat?
[18:12] <testdr> Ahmuck: the difference ist 10MB - based on ca.700MB, thats around 1% for different systems and 64bit is not using less space than 32bit - its using twice.
[18:13] <testdr> Ahmuck: the best known limitation for 32bit is the dropout for the time-calculation in a few years, cause the based math is only 32bit large.
[18:15] <testdr> Ahmuck: last, this is not ubunut-specific - its a general diff. of those system-specs.
[20:58] <zota> hey guys
[20:58] <zota> just installed this awesome distr
[20:59] <testdr> zota: windows-8?
[20:59] <silverlion> zota : :D
[20:59] <zota> linux mint:D
[20:59] <testdr> lubuntu != linux mint
[20:59] <zota> i hope so:D
[20:59] <GothSpark> hi all , I got  this error http://goo.gl/eb1E5C but only have libpolkit installed what is wrong ?
[21:00] <zota> i found a bug i think
[21:00] <zota> i get auto logout when i clicking one of the right click menus
[21:02] <GothSpark> zota on what ? mint or lubuntu
[21:02] <zota> you can enable right click menus, in Desktop Preferences>Advanced>"Show menus provided by..."
[21:03] <zota> and when i click one of the right click menus, i get logout
[21:03] <GothSpark> if openbox crash because of a bad config file you are loged out for safety
[21:04] <testdr> GothSpark: check syslog for error messages about "org.freedesktop" and there are some, example may be pulseaudio, dnsmasq and more sometimes (or ever) fail to communicate
[21:04] <zota> i just installed lubuntu
[21:05] <testdr> zota: do no rightclick! - create a new admin-user and login as this user and check if there is the same, cause this user would get a fresh desktop configuration
[21:05] <zota> i installed nothing just: hexchat, chromium, tor
 pulseaudio ! that ring me a bell it is crashed well not working so i guess that this is the issue
[21:07] <GothSpark> is it safe to uninstall pulseaudio (since it is  not working)
[21:08] <zota> testdr: same issue
[21:08] <testdr> GothSpark: pulseaudio should not crash - i have it running since month and no big problems - but there is the pure also-sound-usage as default - maybe remove pulseaudio-package and using only alsa could help
[21:09] <Gassho> why do i have two wireless thingies on my taskbar?
[21:09] <testdr> for those to read a bit about it - maybe this links helps to understand: http://voices.canonical.com/david.henningsson/2012/07/13/top-five-wrong-ways-to-fix-your-audio/
[21:10] <testdr> Gassho: check their configurations and show those thru the pastebin (link)
[21:10] <zota> testdr: any idea?
[21:11] <testdr> zota: you did read my advice?
[21:12] <zota> yes, but i got same result like before
[21:14] <testdr> zota: then either your hardware is crazy or the installation is broken -- the next advice would be to check it with the ubuntu-live-version (maybe bootable from usb-stick with/or without persistent) to prove the default works. And if so -- you can try to reinstall the desktop-pakets, but it might be easyer to do a full reinstall.
[21:18] <Gassho> i dont know how to do that.  I refer to two thingers on my system tray, both wifi for the same connection i think (doublechecking)
[21:19] <testdr> Gassho: richt-click and the connection-information?
[21:19] <Gassho> same
 i found no entry for org.freedesktop  but a lot a spam form my cpu trying to use mei_me not revelent to the problem tho
[21:20] <testdr> Gassho: that was more like a left-click - internet-reset or what?
[21:21] <Gassho> right click connect-info
[21:24] <testdr> Gassho: what is "same"? Same connection-info? Is so, then you can delete one entry from the lxpanel
[21:24] <Gassho> indeed
[21:25] <Gassho> how ^^;
[21:25] <testdr> damn - no-one reads the webpages, the wiki?
[21:25] <wxl> testdr: language
[21:26] <testdr> wxl: you have the wiki-url for lxpanel config at hand?
[21:26] <Gassho> its technically on the 'system tray'
[21:27] <Gassho> the only thing (things) on the system tray
[21:28] <testdr> Gassho: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Setup#Windows.2C_Desktop.2C_Taskbar.2C_LXDE
[21:33] <zota> hey testdr
[21:33] <zota> iam on live usb now
[21:34] <zota> and got same result like before
[21:34] <zota> and i checked the usb filesystem, and got no error
[21:35] <testdr> zota: that sounds nice, then your system is not usable for lubuntu. Have you ever tried other ubuntu-flavours and did they fail too?
[21:36] <zota> xubuntu, kubuntu is okey
[21:37] <wxl> testdr: nopey nope nope
[21:37] <zota> and i didnt have problem with ubuntu too
[21:37] <wxl> everyone all good now?
[21:37] <testdr> Gassho: found another page with more pictures about config of lxpanel: http://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/201010/page07.html
[21:37] <zota> testdr: so i dont know whats the problem
[21:39] <zota> testdr: i have sse2 dual core 2.5Ghz, 2GB ram, 320GB harddrive, 6670 ATI VGA
[21:39] <zota> i dont have problem with my system
[21:39] <zota> and i downloaded the 32bit lubuntu
[21:39] <wxl> how do we define your problem again zota ?
[21:40] <zota> i get logout when i click one of the right click menus
[21:40] <testdr> zota: if xubuntu/kubuntu do no logout with right-mouse-click on desktop - i dont know how this happens with lubuntu.
[21:40] <testdr> zota: may be i dont understand: what is a right-click-menu for you?
[21:40] <wxl> zota: is this a fresh install or a live system? what version?
[21:40] <zota> shortcuts, applications, menus
[21:41] <testdr> wxl: zota said he tried the live-version and it is the same
[21:41] <wxl> that's some straaaaaaaaaange happenings
[21:41] <zota> wxl: i tried with a installed system, but iam on live usb now, and it happens again
[21:41] <wxl> you have anything in /var/crash, zota?
[21:41] <testdr> zota: could you explain what is a "richt-click-menu"?
[21:42] <wxl> testdr: context menu created by right clicking on an element that is listening for such an event
[21:42] <testdr> wxl: but those do no logout - or do you know one?
[21:42] <wxl> well here's another question: does x crash or do you get a prompt to log out, zota ?
[21:43] <zota> testdr: Preferences > Desktop Preferences > Advanced > "Show menus provided by...."
[21:43] <wxl> for that matter you should repeat the problem and then see what you get from /var/log/Xorg.0.log zota
[21:43] <zota> wxl: the X crashed
[21:43] <wxl> so it's not a logout, it's a problem with x
[21:43] <testdr> ok - then its no logout?
[21:43] <wxl> that being said you should check the logs
[21:46] <zota> i install right now, and will come back
[21:46] <zota> bye
[21:46] <testdr> wxl: could be zota is speaking about the enabled pcfman-desktop-menus, one gets with a right-click(if enabled) on free desktop-spave
[21:46] <wxl> um zota ?
[21:47] <zota> testdr: yes, aim
[21:47] <wxl> testdr: right click on the desktop. you get a context menu. that's what he means.
[21:47] <zota> testdr: yes, I'm
[21:49] <zota> and i get same issue, when i reload the default apps for LXsession
[21:49] <zota> Preferences > Default applications for lxsession > reload button
[21:54] <GothSpark> pulse audio fails to communicate  it is running but can't do anything with it
[22:00] <wxl> i would avoid pulseaudio like the plague
[22:02] <testdr> wxl: already gone, about right-click-crash i only found this and its old: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2146841
[22:02] <wxl> wonder what version testdr
[22:02] <zota> wxl: i got the log
[22:02] <zota> wxl: http://pastebin.com/0qXbX27M
[22:03] <zota> strange
[22:03] <testdr> zota: what ubuntu version you are using?
[22:03] <zota> 14.0.4.1 lts
[22:03] <zota> look at the log guys
[22:03] <zota> my mouse.....
[22:03] <zota> wtf
[22:05] <testdr> zota: kernel 3.13.0-32 is an older one -- dont know if this is still true: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2146841
[22:06] <testdr> zota: you have a razor mouse with this glowing thing?
[22:06] <zota> yes
[22:07] <testdr> gamer usage...
[22:07] <zota> i got it from my friend
[22:07] <zota> :D
[22:08] <testdr> is the razor-mouse still working without multiple-press-hits on the buttons? I have one with this dropout and no exchange-mousebutton-miniswitches
[22:08] <zota> testdr: so what should i do?
[22:09] <testdr> zota: if you have another "normal" mouse, maybe try this to make shure its not this high-resolution-mouse.
[22:09] <GothSpark> *is back* no removing pluseaudio did not helped  still nothing under syslog
[22:11] <testdr> zota: if i have time tomorrow, i will pull out my old defect razor-mouse to check if those 12 buttons are to much for a poor x11-window-system ;-)
[22:11] <zota> so i my mouse is too good for x11
[22:11] <zota> wtf
[22:12] <testdr> zota: i m joking
[22:12] <zota> :D
[22:12] <GothSpark> razer build mouse in a weird way
[22:12] <wxl> GothSpark: still, pulseaudio sucks.
[22:12] <zota> but how my mouse is crashing the x11 server?
[22:12] <wxl> GothSpark: so you have no sound or what?
[22:12] <testdr> zota: did you read the link?
[22:13] <zota> yes
[22:13] <GothSpark> wxl got sound , but I am greeted by a popup saying "GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject"
[22:13] <testdr> zota: do a update of your system to get the new kernel - maybe its something around this
[22:13] <wxl> GothSpark: what makes you think this has to do with sound?
[22:14] <testdr> zota: you are a few kernel-versions behind the current system
[22:14] <zota> testdr: i never did that
[22:14] <GothSpark> wxl: pluseaudio was working but had not sound
[22:14] <wxl> GothSpark: i don't think it's related.
[22:15] <GothSpark> wxl: what coul it be ?
[22:15] <testdr> zota: yes - i did see - you still use the kernel from the live-install-version
[22:15] <zota> yes
[22:16] <wxl> GothSpark: i forget what package it is. i think it gets installed with openssh server, maybe other things, but it's unrelated.
[22:16] <wxl> GothSpark: so with just alsa, do you have sound?
[22:16] <GothSpark> wxl: alsa just works perfectly
[22:17] <testdr> zota: from the x11-log, i can only say the razor does a "Close" and the the x11-server finishes in a clean way
[22:17] <testdr> then the x11-server...
[22:17] <wxl> GothSpark: then we have another problem to figure out :)
[22:17] <wxl> zota: and did you look to see if anything is in /var/crash ?
[22:18] <wxl> GothSpark: do you have keychain installed?
[22:18] <testdr> wxl: in zota`s x11-log is at the end the evdev entry of the razor-mouse with Close - and then the unload of evdev and x11 finishes
[22:19] <GothSpark> wxl: I don't think so, well .. thinking of it i installed mysqlWorkbench,
[22:19] <wxl> testdr: i saw. nothing seems out of whack
[22:20] <wxl> GothSpark: `apt-cache policy keychain | grep -i installed`
[22:20] <GothSpark> nothing
[22:21] <wxl> GothSpark: ummmmmmm that doesn't make sense. try just `apt-cache policy keychain`
[22:21] <zota> testdr: crashdump: http://www.datafilehost.com/d/0eded67b
[22:21] <wxl> at worst it would say "Installed: (none)"
[22:22] <GothSpark> wlx: it did (none)
[22:22] <wxl> GothSpark: ok so that's not your problem
[22:23] <testdr> zota: sorry - i am no crash-dummy to read and understand those crash-logs - cant help there and like i said, i will try tomorrow with my old 12-button-razor if it does the same.
[22:24] <zota> wxl: can you check the crash dump?
[22:24] <wxl> see if this helps GothSpark https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=657006#c6
[22:25] <wxl> no interest in downloading random files, zota. use pastebin.
[22:25] <zota> not works....
[22:25] <wxl> then find something else
[22:25] <wxl> i have no trust in the internet :)
[22:25] <zota> because its more than 500kb
[22:25] <wxl> use dropbox, figure something out
[22:26] <GothSpark> wxl: i did check that ... the only policy kit installed is libpolkit
[22:26] <zota> testdr: which kernel should i install? 3.8?
[22:27] <wxl> GothSpark: well i would suggest posting to the mailing list. i'm not in front of a lubuntu machine currently to test further.
[22:27] <testdr> zota: you do the normal update procedure - you have never done it?
[22:27] <GothSpark> where is the mailing list ^
[22:28] <wxl> lists.ubuntu.com/lubuntu-users
[22:29] <zota> testdr: nop, i never upgraded kernel i think
[22:29] <phillw> wxl: are you okay with the deletions I have made ?
[22:29] <testdr> zota: if you never did an update and only using the pakets from the live-install-version, then you may have missing language-packages and i dont know if there is such an bug
[22:30] <zota> :D
[22:30] <wxl> phillw: wheeeeeeeeere? :)
[22:30] <phillw> wxl: spam on mailing list :)
[22:31] <phillw> wxl: you will get an mail alert from the system.
[22:31] <wxl> phillw: oh i'm sure :)
[22:31] <wxl> phillw: i meant to get to it this morning but clearly forgot
[22:32] <phillw> I took three out :D
[22:32] <wxl> the pcb thing
[22:32] <testdr> i am off for this evening, bye
[22:32] <wxl> the business owner thing
[22:33] <wxl> i'm sure it's fine phillw
[22:33] <wxl> did you make sure to permanently reject the email addresses & block them from subscribing?
[22:33] <zota> guys? 3.16.2 the last stable thats correct?
[22:33] <zota> kernel*
[22:34] <wxl> !info linux-kernel trusty
[22:34] <wxl> argh
[22:34] <wxl> !info linux trusty
[22:34] <wxl> you're dumb
[22:34] <Ahmuck> whoo
[22:34] <phillw> wxl: I'll go with the flow.... I can issue DNS names, and backup... But it is for people to decide upon what they wish.
[22:35] <Ahmuck> do i need synaptic to install package linux?
[22:35] <wxl> !info linux-generic trusty
[22:35] <phillw> Ahmuck: you already have linux
[22:35] <wxl> there finally
[22:35] <zota> wxl: https://www.kernel.org/
[22:35] <wxl> zota: that doesn't tell you the newest available kernel
[22:35] <Ahmuck> aww
[22:36] <wxl> !info linux-generic utopic
[22:36] <wxl> newest stable is 3.16.2 and mainline is 3.17-rc5
[22:36] <zota> so which should i install?
[22:37] <wxl> zota: depends on how much work you want to do
[22:38] <zota> wxl: how you mean?
[22:38] <wxl> zota: which version are we talking about?
[22:38] <zota> 3,16
[22:38] <wxl> zota: of lubuntu.
[22:38] <zota> i have now 3.13.0-32
[22:39] <zota> 14.0.4.1 lts
[22:39] <wxl> then the newest kernel available is:
[22:39] <wxl> !info linux-generic trusty
[22:39] <wxl> you can get that slightly newer version with `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y upgrade` and reboot
[22:40] <wxl> beyond that, there are three levels of difficulty which are listed here:
[22:40] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel
[22:42] <wxl> tl;dr upgrading the kernel is not a common and thus not simple task
[22:42] <wxl> (at least if we're talking about kernels not already pre-compiled and in the repos)
[22:45] <zota> wxl: my x server is still crashing
[22:45] <zota> wxl: but i have a crappy mouse now
[22:46] <wxl> zota: so clearly it's not the mouse. anything in /var/crash?
[22:48] <zota> ProcCmdline: /usr/bin/lxsession -s Lubuntu -e LXDE
[22:48] <wxl> zota: are you responding to me?
[22:49] <zota> yes
[22:49] <zota> wxl: ProcCmdline: /usr/bin/lxsession -s Lubuntu -e LXDE
[22:49] <wxl> so if you look in /var/crash, that's in there?
[22:49] <zota> yes
[22:49] <wxl> under what filename?
[22:49] <wxl> what's the rest of it?
[22:49] <zota> wxl: filename: _usr_bin_lxsession.1000.crash
[22:50] <wxl> zota: what's the date?
[22:50] <wxl> and time
[22:50] <zota> Date: Tue Sep 16 00:41:05 2014
[22:51] <wxl> and what's the current date and time?
[22:51] <zota> 00:51
[22:51] <wxl> this was the file you were trying to send. so this will probably help us get to the bottom of it, but you need to put that ttext file somewhere that i can see it. i don't want to download it.
[22:52] <wxl> make a bug report if you want
[22:53] <zota> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=575961
[22:53] <zota> same problem here
[22:54] <wxl> your system runs fine until you right click, though, correct?
[22:55] <zota> yes
[22:55] <wxl> so it's not related
[22:55] <wxl> also this user installed lxsession without the rest of lxde
[22:55] <wxl> that's not what you're dealing with, right?
[22:56] <zota> i have default setup
[22:56] <wxl> so then it's not related
[22:56] <zota> maybe i will install xubuntu....
[22:57] <wxl> or you could find some way to share the one piece of troubleshooting info that might actually get to the bottom of this :/
[22:59] <zota> i will
[23:01] <zota> finally
[23:01] <zota> i found the same issue here
[23:01] <zota> wxl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxsession/+bug/1316832
[23:01] <zota> this is the same
[23:02] <zota> he is enabled the right click menus
[23:02] <zota> like me
[23:03] <wxl> zota: so if you do `lxsession-default calculator` you have the same problem?
[23:03] <zota> like lxsession-default browser
[23:03] <zota> yes
[23:03] <zota> 1 min
[23:05] <zota_> HAHAHAHAHHA
[23:06] <zota_> wxl: it's working now:D
[23:06] <wxl> zota_ if it's not working you should subscribe yourself to that bug and keep an eye out for the fix. you can also add the lubuntu-dev/staging ppa and update lxsession to at least ~ppa5 and you'll be good.
[23:06] <zota_> bugfix is working:D
[23:06] <zota_> jajaja
[23:06] <zota_> finally
[23:07] <zota_> wxl: thanks man for your help
[23:07] <wxl> zota_: np hopefully you've learned a little something about how things work aroudn here :)
[23:08] <zota_> sure:D
[23:09] <zota_> wxl: but why this bugfix not included in this version?
[23:10] <wxl> zota_: it's not made it's way to the repos yet. there's a formal process it has to go through.
[23:10] <wxl> zota_: it's basically like development -> approval process -> it's in the repos
[23:10] <wxl> so the fix exists before anyone can access it by normal methods
[23:12] <zota_> but a normal user would get frustrated, and leave, and install an another distrub
[23:12] <zota_> not like me:D
[23:12] <wxl> possible yes but not every "fix" is really a fix
[23:12] <wxl> that's why it needs to go through the approval process
[23:13] <zota_> i know i know
[23:13] <wxl> we'
[23:13] <wxl> re not like microsoft with their broken updates XD
[23:14] <zota_> ahahahha
[23:15] <wxl> zota_: you could always help us with testing!
[23:15] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
[23:18] <zota_> i'll check it
[23:20] <zota_> wxl: you didnt ask why i choosen lubuntu:D
[23:20] <wxl> zota_: you didn't tell me :)
[23:22] <zota_> wxl: so, i have a crappy computer, its not the best for my project: I'm testing wireless routers: so I need run multiple programs, wireshark, aircrack, etc...
[23:22] <wxl> ahhh very good
[23:22] <zota_> of course education purposes only:D
[23:23] <wxl> OF COURSE
[23:23] <zota_> for now:D
[23:23] <zota_> xD
[23:23] <wxl> are you a new linux user?
[23:24] <zota_> nop, but i never really get into this "linux world"
[23:24] <zota_> i will...
[23:24] <wxl> that's where all the fun is :)
[23:25] <zota_> i have 26 wifi router right now:)
[23:25] <zota_> +-2
[23:29] <wxl> jeeeeeeeeeez
[23:29] <wxl> send one my way so i can put openwrt on it :)
[23:29] <zota_> :)
[23:33] <phillw> zota_: accept the invite... will be very good for you.
[23:33] <wxl> zota_: i concur, it's a good thing
[23:34] <zota_> phillw: what invite?
[23:34] <zota_> sorry im just doing my things
[23:35] <phillw> zota_:  the one sent  to you... but if not, please /j #lubuntu-offtopic