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pittiGood morning04:54
larsugood morning pitti!04:56
pittihey larsu! urgh, early for you!04:59
larsuindeed! *yawn*05:04
didrocksmorning06:14
larsuhi didrocks!06:16
didrockshey larsu ;)06:18
Sweetsharkmoin all!06:46
didrockshey Sweetshark!06:51
willcookemorning all07:45
willcookehappy birthday seb128 & didrocks (for last week)07:45
didrocksthanks a lot willcooke ;)07:45
seb128good morning desktopers07:45
seb128hey willcooke, thanks07:45
* larsu was unaware of didrocks' birthday07:47
larsudidrocks: hay birthday (belated)!07:47
didrockslarsu: heh, thanks :)07:47
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Laneygrarg08:04
Laneyhello!08:04
didrocksmorning GuestLaney! :)08:05
willcookeo/08:05
Laneysilly freenode compromise08:05
Laneysup08:05
seb128hey Laney, wb! had good holidays?08:06
Laneyyeah, very nice thanks seb12808:09
Laneythose guys like strong beer08:10
seb128hehe08:10
Laneyand staying in the 'eco village' was a fun experience08:11
Laneymuch home grown food08:11
Sweetsharkoh last week was french birthday week?08:18
willcooke:D08:18
Sweetsharkcongrats seb128 and didrocks, hope you had good fun partying ;)08:18
seb128Sweetshark, thanks!08:18
didrocksseb128: not that much partying, but thanks :)08:19
Sweetsharkseb128: I tried to enable lto on libreoffice on the weekend, because -36% in codesize did sound somewhat tempting ...08:20
* seb128 hands didrocks an IRC client08:21
seb128Sweetshark, how did that go?08:22
didrocksseb128: :p08:22
seb128;-)08:22
didrockstoo many s on this channel :)08:22
Sweetsharkseb128: ... sadly we broke gcc again with recent changes.08:22
seb128:-/08:22
Sweetsharkseb128: "... now hits limit on number of sections in ELF library used by GCC ..." http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-Performance-samples-for-LibreOffice-td4119856.html#a412217708:23
Sweetshark640k sections in a ELF lib should be enough for everyone08:24
seb128challenging the toolchain ;-)08:24
seb128or is that trolling it?08:24
Sweetsharkseb128: we? trolling? never! https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-kzGk3zwiI4o/U-izLdW6PfI/AAAAAAAAEtA/H7ENAJipMNc/s0/08:25
Sweetsharkseb128: so lto doesnt fly for utopic (would be quite late anyway), but I just got mergedlibs back and autopkgtests seem to run now too.08:56
seb128Sweetshark, k08:57
seb128do you need sponsoring for something?08:57
Sweetsharkseb128: Hmmm, since we are at LTS+1 I should probably drop old transitionals too.08:57
Sweetsharkseb128: sooo, tomorrow is ETA for tagging of 4.3.2~rc2, I will be on vacation from Wednesday until the weekend. I will try to throw a release to the PPA still, if that works, we should update to utopic ~soonish then.08:59
* Sweetshark takes a look at utopic schedule.08:59
Sweetshark(soonish: early next week)09:00
seb128Laney, what's the status of that evince ffe?09:08
Laneystatus?09:08
Laneyi approved it09:08
seb128Laney, you were still discussing upstreaming patches and theming issues, I was unsure if you considered those as "need to be resolved prior to upload"09:08
Laneyjust asking to look for and help to make sure theme things are fixed if there are any09:09
seb128k09:09
seb128so I'm going to upload09:09
seb128thanks ;-)09:09
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Laneyblarg11:33
Laneyseb128: can you share your source package for usd/ucc?11:33
LaneyI'm failing at finding or merging the branches right11:34
seb128Laney, I'm using the version robert_ancell pushed in the ubuntu-desktop ppa11:41
Laneyoh11:42
Laneydidn't know it was there11:42
Laneyhow handy11:42
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GunnarHjpitti: ping?13:01
Laneyseb128: do you have media keys?13:02
seb128Laney, yes13:02
Laneycould you try 'mute' with the new usd please?13:02
Laneythat doesn't work for me now13:02
Laneybut down/up do13:03
seb128they all 3 work for me13:03
Laneyhmm13:03
seb128do you have any error in the upstart log?13:03
seb128it's weird that those changes would have an impact on one of the keybindings only13:03
Laneyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8350367/ is what I see13:07
seb128hum13:08
seb128brb, need to restart to make sure I'm running the right version13:08
seb128I've been mixing testing with the fcitx ppa version13:09
Laneyk, no rush, got to patch pilot now anyways13:09
GunnarHjLaney: Can you please start with bug #1351092 then? ;)13:11
ubot5bug 1351092 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "Configuration of the Droid Sans Fallback font" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135109213:11
* Laney screams13:11
GunnarHjLaney: Didn't mean to scare you...13:12
Laneyi never managed to understand that bug13:12
GunnarHjLaney: Basically there is a config file in fonts-droid which messes up things. I want to drop it.13:13
LaneyGunnarHj: I get what you want to do, but I don't understand the 'sometimes' quality of the problems13:14
Laneylike Qt apps were wrong but gtk was alright13:14
Laneyseems like there's other bugs here13:15
seb128Laney, works fine after a reboot13:15
Laneyseb128: weird13:16
LaneyGunnarHj: Let's upload your thing anyway since it's the way out we have now :-)13:16
GunnarHjLaney: All the tests indicate that we get rid of the problems if we drop that config file. Actually the root cause might be in that file, but I'm not 100% sure.13:16
seb128Laney, does it work for you if you downgrade?13:16
LaneyI used it earlier today13:17
GunnarHjLaney: Upload, yeah! :)13:17
* Laney tries again13:18
LaneyGunnarHj: I'm mainly nervous because we don't understand exactly what is wrong and the symptoms feel like bugs elsewhere13:18
Laneyoh well13:18
seb128Laney, the error you copied doesn't look like something that would be due to gnome-desktop code though13:19
seb128it's a keysym issue13:19
GunnarHjLaney: I'm not so nervous. That file is weird, and not designed for general use.13:19
Laneydidn't you write it?13:19
GunnarHjLaney: No, I wrote another config file which we keep. I want to drop the one which is shipped from upstream.13:20
Laneyoh okay13:20
Laneyin that case you know what I want you to do :P13:20
GunnarHjLaney: Indeed. Already started that.13:21
Laneyseb128: seems buggy with the old one too13:22
GunnarHjLaney: Btw, I can do the l-s parts of the uploads if you like. If you just fix fonts-android in utopic and trusty.13:22
Laneyk13:22
seb128Laney, that makes more sense ;-)13:22
seb128Laney, new xorg issue maybe?13:22
Laneyactually it got more buggy now after restarting13:22
Laneyit uses the default actions for one of the keys instead of volume down13:22
Laneyone is ignored and the third one works13:23
seb128you run the update again, or the utopic version?13:23
Laneyboth are the same in this respect13:23
seb128k13:23
Laneyit's to do with remapping13:24
Laneynow I remapped them none of them work any more13:24
Laney:(!13:24
Laneyand it's even specific to these three keys - using something else works13:26
* Laney makes a note to look later13:26
ogra_Laney, how is the gst dropping of the build-deps going ?13:27
ogra_we really need that fixed before final rtm13:27
ogra_(and it will take you a week to land it at least i guess)13:27
Laneyhttp://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20140913.changes13:29
ogra_Laney, thats not rtm13:29
Laneyk13:29
ogra_landing in rtm means you need an rtm silo, lots of tests and final QA signoff13:30
seb128kenvandine, hey, how are you?13:30
kenvandinehey seb128, have a nice long weekend?13:31
seb128kenvandine, I did, thanks! Having tuesday to thursday off as well, so just around today and friday this week ;-)13:31
kenvandinenice!13:31
seb128Laney, larsu, didrocks, ^ btw13:31
kenvandineseb128, my uitk api bump seems to work well, autopilot tests work and CI passes :)13:32
kenvandineseb128, if you want to kick the tires a little on silo 1913:32
pittihello GunnarHj13:32
didrocksseb128: enjoy!13:32
seb128kenvandine, I just opened it, reviewing that13:32
Laneyseb128: more .nl?13:32
seb128didrocks, thanks ;-)13:32
kenvandineseb128, that's the massive sed bumping the api versions13:32
Laneyogra_: I don't know how to do it13:32
seb128Laney, no, .fr only this month13:32
kenvandineseb128, not ready for approval yet :)13:32
kenvandinei should bump the package depends, etc13:32
Laneyburning days then? ;-)13:32
seb128kenvandine, k13:32
kenvandineeven though the 1.1 api has been around for a while13:32
kenvandineseb128, but please do install it and do a little manual testing, see if anything's broken13:33
kenvandineonly thing i noticed was no line on the battery graph...13:33
ogra_Laney, add a spreadsheet entry, select rtm in the "target distro" row ... and then ask for a silo13:33
kenvandinebut my device i'm testing it on was actually turned off for 24 hours :)13:33
Laneydoes it get copied from utopic?13:33
larsuseb128: wow, enjoy!13:33
kenvandineso only only for 30m or so... might not be enough data13:33
seb128Laney, yeah, I still have some 20 days to take and weather is supposed to be good and family is taking a few days off to the north sea, doing that as well13:33
Laney20!13:34
seb128yeah...13:34
ogra_Laney, you can either have someone from the landing team sync it in to dput yourself (target distro in changelog needs to be 14.09, not utopic)13:34
Laney6 week christmas holiday13:34
seb128Laney, yeah, I took 2 in Malta and one on friday13:34
seb128lol13:34
ogra_seb128, how wasteful !13:34
seb128hehe13:34
* ogra_ still has all his vacation days for this year 13:34
Laneyyou guys...13:35
* Laney will take the remainder when moving house in a few weeks13:35
seb128kenvandine, should https://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/ubuntu-system-settings/push-helper-to-spec/+merge/234311 be set back to approved? seems like Ted comment was not accurate/shouldn't be a blocker13:35
* ogra_ will take his when he doesnt think about phones all day anymore 13:36
kenvandineseb128, sure, i'll be glad to land that :)13:36
kenvandineseb128, i was about to land it when tedg commented13:36
seb128kenvandine, you said the uitk api bump is not ready for review?13:36
GunnarHjHi pitti! Time for a couple of lanpack-locales things?13:36
kenvandineso i put the brakes on... i even had tested it in the silo13:36
kenvandineseb128, not quite, i want a few people to do a bit of manual testing13:37
seb128kenvandine, I'm going to do manual testing now13:37
kenvandinethanks13:37
seb128kenvandine, it's a silo you said?13:37
kenvandine1913:37
kenvandineyes13:37
kenvandinei marked it experimental :)13:37
kenvandinealthough, i'm pretty pleased that it seems to work13:37
kenvandinei was really fearful bumping those imports :)13:38
pittiGunnarHj: just ask away; I'm not feeling too well today, so only checking IRC sporadically13:38
GunnarHjpitti: Ok, it's this to be more precise:13:39
GunnarHjpitti: I'm about to propose the addition of a new (ce_RU) locale, so it would be good if you first could upload the patch at bug #214730.13:39
ubot5bug 214730 in langpack-locales (Ubuntu) "Incorrect date format in en_CA.utf8 locale" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21473013:39
GunnarHjpitti: Also, when talking about langpack-locales, could you please read the latest comment at bug #1090288.13:39
ubot5bug 1090288 in langpack-locales (Ubuntu) "The locale file for en_ZA appears to have an error" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109028813:39
GunnarHjpitti: Hope you get better soon!13:39
seb128kenvandine, hum13:39
seb128kenvandine, https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-019 is empty?13:40
kenvandinewhoops13:40
kenvandine20 :)13:40
kenvandinei had 19 and 20... got them confused :)13:40
seb128kenvandine, that's better ;-)13:40
seb128kenvandine, seems to work fine! I'm going to keep playing a bit with it though13:44
seb128but first going away for some exercice, bbiab13:44
kenvandineseb128, thx!13:46
LaneyGunnarHj: where's the trusty diff/branch?13:47
GunnarHjLaney: I didn't make a separate for trusty since it's identical. Thought you could just change the version number.13:48
Laneyk13:49
Trevinhoseb128: hey, can you care of https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/utopic/ubuntu-meta/add-emoji-support/+merge/234140 ?13:53
GunnarHjLaney: i.e. it's fonts-android which are identical in utopic and trusty, not language-selector. But I can take care of the latter.13:56
LaneyGunnarHj: I got it13:56
LaneyGunnarHj: I added a maintscript to remove the obsolete conffile13:59
Laneyuploading now13:59
GunnarHjLaney: Ok. I concluded that it wasn't necessary, but it can't hurt of course. Thanks!14:00
happyaronLaney: can you do an upload for ubuntukylin-meta? just removed an odd package from it.14:06
Laneyok, sec14:06
* happyaron sent packageset inclusion request to devel-permission just now14:06
happyarongreat14:06
Laneylet me just add that14:06
Laneyand you can do it14:06
happyaronok14:07
happyaronfor changing the seeds, is commiting the change to bzr enough? or there's something else to do14:08
Laneyhere14:08
Laneythere*14:08
Laneydownload the source package and run the ./update script in there14:08
willcookehappyaron, are you an Ubuntu member BTW?  FJKong is just starting the process now14:08
Laneythen build it, check the diff  & upload14:08
happyaronwillcooke: yes I do, I think I'm a member since 200914:09
willcookehappyaron, :) cool!14:09
Laneyold skool14:09
willcookehappyaron, in which case I think FJKong might be asking for you to write him a recommendation14:10
willcooke:)14:10
happyaronLaney: ok, so can you add the seeds to packageset as well?14:10
happyaronwillcooke: sure14:10
Laneythat doesn't make sense14:10
Laneythe seeds themselves are just a bzr branch14:10
Laneywhich you get access to via team membership14:10
happyaronLaney: so I pushed the changes for ubuntukylin seeds, is that sufficient?14:10
Laneydo the ./update thing I just said and then upload the package you get out of that14:11
happyaronok14:11
happyaronlet me see14:11
LaneyGuest11861: done14:12
Laneyerm, not you Guest1186114:12
LaneyGunnarHj: ^^^14:12
happyaronLaney: well you mean ubuntukylin-meta, what about ubuntukylin.utopic, I think they are different?14:13
Laneythat's the seed branch which you already pushed to14:13
happyaronok14:13
GunnarHjLaney: Thanks! Then I'll complete it with the l-s part.14:14
Laneycool stuff14:15
Laneyhope it fixes everything ...14:15
GunnarHjLaney: Me to. ;)14:16
pittiGunnarHj: I uploaded the patch for bug 21473014:40
ubot5bug 214730 in langpack-locales (Ubuntu) "Incorrect date format in en_CA.utf8 locale" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21473014:40
GunnarHjpitti: Thanks!14:40
pittiGunnarHj: as for the en_CA decimal comma, I'm afraid I don't have a qualified or strong opinion there; TBH I lost track when to use the comma and when the dot, but whatever the govt and majority of people use is what locales should have, independent of Qt bugs14:41
GunnarHjpitti: I agree, and that speaks for dropping our Ubuntu patch. I'll get back with a patch about it.14:43
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Laneyhey LocutusOfBorg1, I'm curious about the cairo merge - what change is it bringing us?15:55
LocutusOfBorg1Laney, unfortunately nothing anymore15:57
Laneylooked that way15:58
LocutusOfBorg1the latest debian changes elided the previous ones :)15:58
LocutusOfBorg1so when I opened it there were a difference15:58
LocutusOfBorg1(preventing even wxpython to be built)15:58
* Laney nods15:58
Laneyshall I de-sponsorify it?15:58
LocutusOfBorg1after that we fixed the wx stuff15:58
LaneyI did sponsor webkit though, so not a waste of time completely15:59
Laneythanks for that ;- )15:59
Laneylongface15:59
LocutusOfBorg1mmm16:01
LocutusOfBorg1yes, it is fine16:03
LocutusOfBorg1:)16:03
LocutusOfBorg1(I was wondering about a conflict between versions)16:03
Laneythose Breaks wouldn't have been necessary anyway16:03
Laneybut still, free webkit bump, can't say no to that16:04
LocutusOfBorg1:)16:04
seb128Trevinho, hey, that might need a ffe, check with Laney16:10
Laneymysterious message!16:11
seb128Laney, see his ping around 13:53utc16:15
LocutusOfBorg1Laney, I didn't get the debdiff change16:16
LocutusOfBorg1build for ppc64el16:16
LocutusOfBorg1is not a change in ubuntu... (the debian package already builds for ppc64el AFAICS)16:16
seb128Laney, new font adding to the seed16:16
LaneyLocutusOfBorg1: oops, didn't delete it16:16
Laneynever mind16:16
LocutusOfBorg1if it is just a changelog problem is fine for me ;)16:17
LaneyI actually copied it from the old merge changelog16:17
Laneybecause I put the changes into my git repo16:18
Laneyso yeah16:18
LocutusOfBorg1lol :)16:20
LocutusOfBorg1np16:20
Laneyseb128: yeah feel free16:20
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seb128kenvandine, the new abi changes seem to work fine to me, +117:16
seb128kenvandine, btw, what do you plan to work on next for settings?17:17
kenvandineseb128, great17:17
kenvandinefinishing up the update stuff17:17
kenvandinewell "finishing" is loosely defined :)17:17
seb128yeah17:18
kenvandinemy singleton branch is working really well17:18
seb128gatox is back also no?17:18
seb128you should make sure you don't duplicate work ;-)17:18
gatoxseb128, yes.... i'm working in the display errors bugs17:18
seb128gatox, k, great, kenvandine is working on the update count not refreshed issues17:18
kenvandineseb128, for the updates in the main view, how do you feel about maybe not checking for updates right away, but check after some period of time if the check was done in the updates page?17:19
kenvandinegatox, hey... you're back!17:19
gatoxkenvandine, yes, i saw you fixed A LOT of stuff..... great!17:19
kenvandineseb128, that way it doesn't show up there right away17:19
kenvandineand if you go into the upates page which triggers a check17:19
kenvandinethe main view doesn't ever need to check17:19
seb128kenvandine, you mean if you go to update, then back on the main view, then wait there?17:19
seb128kenvandine, I guess that's ok, but not very useful either17:20
kenvandinei mean add a timer, like 60 seconds for the updates available entry17:20
kenvandineand if you happen to do anything that triggers a check17:20
kenvandineit'll not need to check itself17:20
kenvandineotherwise it will ?17:20
seb128kenvandine, not sure it makes sense to check after a bit17:21
kenvandineseb128, an easy way to improve the experience for right now17:21
seb128who is going to open settings to sit on the main grid for a minute?17:21
kenvandinewell if you go into settings for some other reason17:21
kenvandinemaybe tweak sounds17:21
kenvandinethen back out to the main view17:21
kenvandinethey'll be showing17:21
seb128check with mpt I guess17:21
seb128he might find the inconsistency worth than doing nothing17:22
seb128like "why was there no update, and I visited something and came back and now they are, couldn't it check the first time"17:22
kenvandinempt, ^^17:22
didrocksenough for today, see you tomorrow guys17:22
seb128I would just disable the auto check17:22
kenvandinegood night didrocks17:22
seb128didrocks, have a good evening!17:22
kenvandinethat's what i had done17:23
kenvandinethen if you go into updates17:23
didrockssee you kenvandine, enjoy your almost-week-off seb128 :)17:23
kenvandineand back out17:23
kenvandineyou see the count17:23
seb128didrocks, thanks :-)17:23
seb128kenvandine, that works for me17:23
kenvandineideally we'd have the emblem or whatever17:23
seb128right17:23
kenvandinebut that isn't as quick of a fix :)17:23
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seb128kenvandine, I can have a look to bug #1368920 if you want17:25
ubot5bug 1368920 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Icons for scopes are not displayed in the storage list" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136892017:25
kenvandineseb128, that would be great17:25
seb128kenvandine, k, take over this one then (and I'm going to look at well at making about use libclick rather than the click command line)17:25
seb128kenvandine, ups, I just noticed it was assigned by Pat to Jonas, checking with him as well17:26
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