[04:54] <pitti> Good morning
[04:56] <larsu> good morning pitti!
[04:59] <pitti> hey larsu! urgh, early for you!
[05:04] <larsu> indeed! *yawn*
[06:14] <didrocks> morning
[06:16] <larsu> hi didrocks!
[06:18] <didrocks> hey larsu ;)
[06:46] <Sweetshark> moin all!
[06:51] <didrocks> hey Sweetshark!
[07:45] <willcooke> morning all
[07:45] <willcooke> happy birthday seb128 & didrocks (for last week)
[07:45] <didrocks> thanks a lot willcooke ;)
[07:45] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:45] <seb128> hey willcooke, thanks
[07:47]  * larsu was unaware of didrocks' birthday
[07:47] <larsu> didrocks: hay birthday (belated)!
[07:47] <didrocks> larsu: heh, thanks :)
[08:04] <Laney> grarg
[08:04] <Laney> hello!
[08:05] <didrocks> morning GuestLaney! :)
[08:05] <willcooke> o/
[08:05] <Laney> silly freenode compromise
[08:05] <Laney> sup
[08:06] <seb128> hey Laney, wb! had good holidays?
[08:09] <Laney> yeah, very nice thanks seb128
[08:10] <Laney> those guys like strong beer
[08:10] <seb128> hehe
[08:11] <Laney> and staying in the 'eco village' was a fun experience
[08:11] <Laney> much home grown food
[08:18] <Sweetshark> oh last week was french birthday week?
[08:18] <willcooke> :D
[08:18] <Sweetshark> congrats seb128 and didrocks, hope you had good fun partying ;)
[08:18] <seb128> Sweetshark, thanks!
[08:19] <didrocks> seb128: not that much partying, but thanks :)
[08:20] <Sweetshark> seb128: I tried to enable lto on libreoffice on the weekend, because -36% in codesize did sound somewhat tempting ...
[08:21]  * seb128 hands didrocks an IRC client
[08:22] <seb128> Sweetshark, how did that go?
[08:22] <didrocks> seb128: :p
[08:22] <seb128> ;-)
[08:22] <didrocks> too many s on this channel :)
[08:22] <Sweetshark> seb128: ... sadly we broke gcc again with recent changes.
[08:22] <seb128> :-/
[08:23] <Sweetshark> seb128: "... now hits limit on number of sections in ELF library used by GCC ..." http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-Performance-samples-for-LibreOffice-td4119856.html#a4122177
[08:24] <Sweetshark> 640k sections in a ELF lib should be enough for everyone
[08:24] <seb128> challenging the toolchain ;-)
[08:24] <seb128> or is that trolling it?
[08:25] <Sweetshark> seb128: we? trolling? never! https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-kzGk3zwiI4o/U-izLdW6PfI/AAAAAAAAEtA/H7ENAJipMNc/s0/
[08:56] <Sweetshark> seb128: so lto doesnt fly for utopic (would be quite late anyway), but I just got mergedlibs back and autopkgtests seem to run now too.
[08:57] <seb128> Sweetshark, k
[08:57] <seb128> do you need sponsoring for something?
[08:57] <Sweetshark> seb128: Hmmm, since we are at LTS+1 I should probably drop old transitionals too.
[08:59] <Sweetshark> seb128: sooo, tomorrow is ETA for tagging of 4.3.2~rc2, I will be on vacation from Wednesday until the weekend. I will try to throw a release to the PPA still, if that works, we should update to utopic ~soonish then.
[08:59]  * Sweetshark takes a look at utopic schedule.
[09:00] <Sweetshark> (soonish: early next week)
[09:08] <seb128> Laney, what's the status of that evince ffe?
[09:08] <Laney> status?
[09:08] <Laney> i approved it
[09:08] <seb128> Laney, you were still discussing upstreaming patches and theming issues, I was unsure if you considered those as "need to be resolved prior to upload"
[09:09] <Laney> just asking to look for and help to make sure theme things are fixed if there are any
[09:09] <seb128> k
[09:09] <seb128> so I'm going to upload
[09:09] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[11:33] <Laney> blarg
[11:33] <Laney> seb128: can you share your source package for usd/ucc?
[11:34] <Laney> I'm failing at finding or merging the branches right
[11:41] <seb128> Laney, I'm using the version robert_ancell pushed in the ubuntu-desktop ppa
[11:42] <Laney> oh
[11:42] <Laney> didn't know it was there
[11:42] <Laney> how handy
[13:01] <GunnarHj> pitti: ping?
[13:02] <Laney> seb128: do you have media keys?
[13:02] <seb128> Laney, yes
[13:02] <Laney> could you try 'mute' with the new usd please?
[13:02] <Laney> that doesn't work for me now
[13:03] <Laney> but down/up do
[13:03] <seb128> they all 3 work for me
[13:03] <Laney> hmm
[13:03] <seb128> do you have any error in the upstart log?
[13:03] <seb128> it's weird that those changes would have an impact on one of the keybindings only
[13:07] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8350367/ is what I see
[13:08] <seb128> hum
[13:08] <seb128> brb, need to restart to make sure I'm running the right version
[13:09] <seb128> I've been mixing testing with the fcitx ppa version
[13:09] <Laney> k, no rush, got to patch pilot now anyways
[13:11] <GunnarHj> Laney: Can you please start with bug #1351092 then? ;)
[13:11]  * Laney screams
[13:12] <GunnarHj> Laney: Didn't mean to scare you...
[13:12] <Laney> i never managed to understand that bug
[13:13] <GunnarHj> Laney: Basically there is a config file in fonts-droid which messes up things. I want to drop it.
[13:14] <Laney> GunnarHj: I get what you want to do, but I don't understand the 'sometimes' quality of the problems
[13:14] <Laney> like Qt apps were wrong but gtk was alright
[13:15] <Laney> seems like there's other bugs here
[13:15] <seb128> Laney, works fine after a reboot
[13:16] <Laney> seb128: weird
[13:16] <Laney> GunnarHj: Let's upload your thing anyway since it's the way out we have now :-)
[13:16] <GunnarHj> Laney: All the tests indicate that we get rid of the problems if we drop that config file. Actually the root cause might be in that file, but I'm not 100% sure.
[13:16] <seb128> Laney, does it work for you if you downgrade?
[13:17] <Laney> I used it earlier today
[13:17] <GunnarHj> Laney: Upload, yeah! :)
[13:18]  * Laney tries again
[13:18] <Laney> GunnarHj: I'm mainly nervous because we don't understand exactly what is wrong and the symptoms feel like bugs elsewhere
[13:18] <Laney> oh well
[13:19] <seb128> Laney, the error you copied doesn't look like something that would be due to gnome-desktop code though
[13:19] <seb128> it's a keysym issue
[13:19] <GunnarHj> Laney: I'm not so nervous. That file is weird, and not designed for general use.
[13:19] <Laney> didn't you write it?
[13:20] <GunnarHj> Laney: No, I wrote another config file which we keep. I want to drop the one which is shipped from upstream.
[13:20] <Laney> oh okay
[13:20] <Laney> in that case you know what I want you to do :P
[13:21] <GunnarHj> Laney: Indeed. Already started that.
[13:22] <Laney> seb128: seems buggy with the old one too
[13:22] <GunnarHj> Laney: Btw, I can do the l-s parts of the uploads if you like. If you just fix fonts-android in utopic and trusty.
[13:22] <Laney> k
[13:22] <seb128> Laney, that makes more sense ;-)
[13:22] <seb128> Laney, new xorg issue maybe?
[13:22] <Laney> actually it got more buggy now after restarting
[13:22] <Laney> it uses the default actions for one of the keys instead of volume down
[13:23] <Laney> one is ignored and the third one works
[13:23] <seb128> you run the update again, or the utopic version?
[13:23] <Laney> both are the same in this respect
[13:23] <seb128> k
[13:24] <Laney> it's to do with remapping
[13:24] <Laney> now I remapped them none of them work any more
[13:24] <Laney> :(!
[13:26] <Laney> and it's even specific to these three keys - using something else works
[13:26]  * Laney makes a note to look later
[13:27] <ogra_> Laney, how is the gst dropping of the build-deps going ?
[13:27] <ogra_> we really need that fixed before final rtm
[13:27] <ogra_> (and it will take you a week to land it at least i guess)
[13:29] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20140913.changes
[13:29] <ogra_> Laney, thats not rtm
[13:29] <Laney> k
[13:30] <ogra_> landing in rtm means you need an rtm silo, lots of tests and final QA signoff
[13:30] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, how are you?
[13:31] <kenvandine> hey seb128, have a nice long weekend?
[13:31] <seb128> kenvandine, I did, thanks! Having tuesday to thursday off as well, so just around today and friday this week ;-)
[13:31] <kenvandine> nice!
[13:31] <seb128> Laney, larsu, didrocks, ^ btw
[13:32] <kenvandine> seb128, my uitk api bump seems to work well, autopilot tests work and CI passes :)
[13:32] <kenvandine> seb128, if you want to kick the tires a little on silo 19
[13:32] <pitti> hello GunnarHj
[13:32] <didrocks> seb128: enjoy!
[13:32] <seb128> kenvandine, I just opened it, reviewing that
[13:32] <Laney> seb128: more .nl?
[13:32] <seb128> didrocks, thanks ;-)
[13:32] <kenvandine> seb128, that's the massive sed bumping the api versions
[13:32] <Laney> ogra_: I don't know how to do it
[13:32] <seb128> Laney, no, .fr only this month
[13:32] <kenvandine> seb128, not ready for approval yet :)
[13:32] <kenvandine> i should bump the package depends, etc
[13:32] <Laney> burning days then? ;-)
[13:32] <seb128> kenvandine, k
[13:32] <kenvandine> even though the 1.1 api has been around for a while
[13:33] <kenvandine> seb128, but please do install it and do a little manual testing, see if anything's broken
[13:33] <kenvandine> only thing i noticed was no line on the battery graph...
[13:33] <ogra_> Laney, add a spreadsheet entry, select rtm in the "target distro" row ... and then ask for a silo
[13:33] <kenvandine> but my device i'm testing it on was actually turned off for 24 hours :)
[13:33] <Laney> does it get copied from utopic?
[13:33] <larsu> seb128: wow, enjoy!
[13:33] <kenvandine> so only only for 30m or so... might not be enough data
[13:33] <seb128> Laney, yeah, I still have some 20 days to take and weather is supposed to be good and family is taking a few days off to the north sea, doing that as well
[13:34] <Laney> 20!
[13:34] <seb128> yeah...
[13:34] <ogra_> Laney, you can either have someone from the landing team sync it in to dput yourself (target distro in changelog needs to be 14.09, not utopic)
[13:34] <Laney> 6 week christmas holiday
[13:34] <seb128> Laney, yeah, I took 2 in Malta and one on friday
[13:34] <seb128> lol
[13:34] <ogra_> seb128, how wasteful !
[13:34] <seb128> hehe
[13:34]  * ogra_ still has all his vacation days for this year 
[13:35] <Laney> you guys...
[13:35]  * Laney will take the remainder when moving house in a few weeks
[13:35] <seb128> kenvandine, should https://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/ubuntu-system-settings/push-helper-to-spec/+merge/234311 be set back to approved? seems like Ted comment was not accurate/shouldn't be a blocker
[13:36]  * ogra_ will take his when he doesnt think about phones all day anymore 
[13:36] <kenvandine> seb128, sure, i'll be glad to land that :)
[13:36] <kenvandine> seb128, i was about to land it when tedg commented
[13:36] <seb128> kenvandine, you said the uitk api bump is not ready for review?
[13:36] <GunnarHj> Hi pitti! Time for a couple of lanpack-locales things?
[13:36] <kenvandine> so i put the brakes on... i even had tested it in the silo
[13:37] <kenvandine> seb128, not quite, i want a few people to do a bit of manual testing
[13:37] <seb128> kenvandine, I'm going to do manual testing now
[13:37] <kenvandine> thanks
[13:37] <seb128> kenvandine, it's a silo you said?
[13:37] <kenvandine> 19
[13:37] <kenvandine> yes
[13:37] <kenvandine> i marked it experimental :)
[13:37] <kenvandine> although, i'm pretty pleased that it seems to work
[13:38] <kenvandine> i was really fearful bumping those imports :)
[13:38] <pitti> GunnarHj: just ask away; I'm not feeling too well today, so only checking IRC sporadically
[13:39] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok, it's this to be more precise:
[13:39] <GunnarHj> pitti: I'm about to propose the addition of a new (ce_RU) locale, so it would be good if you first could upload the patch at bug #214730.
[13:39] <GunnarHj> pitti: Also, when talking about langpack-locales, could you please read the latest comment at bug #1090288.
[13:39] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hope you get better soon!
[13:39] <seb128> kenvandine, hum
[13:40] <seb128> kenvandine, https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-019 is empty?
[13:40] <kenvandine> whoops
[13:40] <kenvandine> 20 :)
[13:40] <kenvandine> i had 19 and 20... got them confused :)
[13:40] <seb128> kenvandine, that's better ;-)
[13:44] <seb128> kenvandine, seems to work fine! I'm going to keep playing a bit with it though
[13:44] <seb128> but first going away for some exercice, bbiab
[13:46] <kenvandine> seb128, thx!
[13:47] <Laney> GunnarHj: where's the trusty diff/branch?
[13:48] <GunnarHj> Laney: I didn't make a separate for trusty since it's identical. Thought you could just change the version number.
[13:49] <Laney> k
[13:53] <Trevinho> seb128: hey, can you care of https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/utopic/ubuntu-meta/add-emoji-support/+merge/234140 ?
[13:56] <GunnarHj> Laney: i.e. it's fonts-android which are identical in utopic and trusty, not language-selector. But I can take care of the latter.
[13:56] <Laney> GunnarHj: I got it
[13:59] <Laney> GunnarHj: I added a maintscript to remove the obsolete conffile
[13:59] <Laney> uploading now
[14:00] <GunnarHj> Laney: Ok. I concluded that it wasn't necessary, but it can't hurt of course. Thanks!
[14:06] <happyaron> Laney: can you do an upload for ubuntukylin-meta? just removed an odd package from it.
[14:06] <Laney> ok, sec
[14:06]  * happyaron sent packageset inclusion request to devel-permission just now
[14:06] <happyaron> great
[14:06] <Laney> let me just add that
[14:06] <Laney> and you can do it
[14:07] <happyaron> ok
[14:08] <happyaron> for changing the seeds, is commiting the change to bzr enough? or there's something else to do
[14:08] <Laney> here
[14:08] <Laney> there*
[14:08] <Laney> download the source package and run the ./update script in there
[14:08] <willcooke> happyaron, are you an Ubuntu member BTW?  FJKong is just starting the process now
[14:08] <Laney> then build it, check the diff  & upload
[14:09] <happyaron> willcooke: yes I do, I think I'm a member since 2009
[14:09] <willcooke> happyaron, :) cool!
[14:09] <Laney> old skool
[14:10] <willcooke> happyaron, in which case I think FJKong might be asking for you to write him a recommendation
[14:10] <willcooke> :)
[14:10] <happyaron> Laney: ok, so can you add the seeds to packageset as well?
[14:10] <happyaron> willcooke: sure
[14:10] <Laney> that doesn't make sense
[14:10] <Laney> the seeds themselves are just a bzr branch
[14:10] <Laney> which you get access to via team membership
[14:10] <happyaron> Laney: so I pushed the changes for ubuntukylin seeds, is that sufficient?
[14:11] <Laney> do the ./update thing I just said and then upload the package you get out of that
[14:11] <happyaron> ok
[14:11] <happyaron> let me see
[14:12] <Laney> Guest11861: done
[14:12] <Laney> erm, not you Guest11861
[14:12] <Laney> GunnarHj: ^^^
[14:13] <happyaron> Laney: well you mean ubuntukylin-meta, what about ubuntukylin.utopic, I think they are different?
[14:13] <Laney> that's the seed branch which you already pushed to
[14:13] <happyaron> ok
[14:14] <GunnarHj> Laney: Thanks! Then I'll complete it with the l-s part.
[14:15] <Laney> cool stuff
[14:15] <Laney> hope it fixes everything ...
[14:16] <GunnarHj> Laney: Me to. ;)
[14:40] <pitti> GunnarHj: I uploaded the patch for bug 214730
[14:40] <GunnarHj> pitti: Thanks!
[14:41] <pitti> GunnarHj: as for the en_CA decimal comma, I'm afraid I don't have a qualified or strong opinion there; TBH I lost track when to use the comma and when the dot, but whatever the govt and majority of people use is what locales should have, independent of Qt bugs
[14:43] <GunnarHj> pitti: I agree, and that speaks for dropping our Ubuntu patch. I'll get back with a patch about it.
[15:55] <Laney> hey LocutusOfBorg1, I'm curious about the cairo merge - what change is it bringing us?
[15:57] <LocutusOfBorg1> Laney, unfortunately nothing anymore
[15:58] <Laney> looked that way
[15:58] <LocutusOfBorg1> the latest debian changes elided the previous ones :)
[15:58] <LocutusOfBorg1> so when I opened it there were a difference
[15:58] <LocutusOfBorg1> (preventing even wxpython to be built)
[15:58]  * Laney nods
[15:58] <Laney> shall I de-sponsorify it?
[15:58] <LocutusOfBorg1> after that we fixed the wx stuff
[15:59] <Laney> I did sponsor webkit though, so not a waste of time completely
[15:59] <Laney> thanks for that ;- )
[15:59] <Laney> longface
[16:01] <LocutusOfBorg1> mmm
[16:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> yes, it is fine
[16:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> :)
[16:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> (I was wondering about a conflict between versions)
[16:03] <Laney> those Breaks wouldn't have been necessary anyway
[16:04] <Laney> but still, free webkit bump, can't say no to that
[16:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> :)
[16:10] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, that might need a ffe, check with Laney
[16:11] <Laney> mysterious message!
[16:15] <seb128> Laney, see his ping around 13:53utc
[16:16] <LocutusOfBorg1> Laney, I didn't get the debdiff change
[16:16] <LocutusOfBorg1> build for ppc64el
[16:16] <LocutusOfBorg1> is not a change in ubuntu... (the debian package already builds for ppc64el AFAICS)
[16:16] <seb128> Laney, new font adding to the seed
[16:16] <Laney> LocutusOfBorg1: oops, didn't delete it
[16:16] <Laney> never mind
[16:17] <LocutusOfBorg1> if it is just a changelog problem is fine for me ;)
[16:17] <Laney> I actually copied it from the old merge changelog
[16:18] <Laney> because I put the changes into my git repo
[16:18] <Laney> so yeah
[16:20] <LocutusOfBorg1> lol :)
[16:20] <LocutusOfBorg1> np
[16:20] <Laney> seb128: yeah feel free
[17:16] <seb128> kenvandine, the new abi changes seem to work fine to me, +1
[17:17] <seb128> kenvandine, btw, what do you plan to work on next for settings?
[17:17] <kenvandine> seb128, great
[17:17] <kenvandine> finishing up the update stuff
[17:17] <kenvandine> well "finishing" is loosely defined :)
[17:18] <seb128> yeah
[17:18] <kenvandine> my singleton branch is working really well
[17:18] <seb128> gatox is back also no?
[17:18] <seb128> you should make sure you don't duplicate work ;-)
[17:18] <gatox> seb128, yes.... i'm working in the display errors bugs
[17:18] <seb128> gatox, k, great, kenvandine is working on the update count not refreshed issues
[17:19] <kenvandine> seb128, for the updates in the main view, how do you feel about maybe not checking for updates right away, but check after some period of time if the check was done in the updates page?
[17:19] <kenvandine> gatox, hey... you're back!
[17:19] <gatox> kenvandine, yes, i saw you fixed A LOT of stuff..... great!
[17:19] <kenvandine> seb128, that way it doesn't show up there right away
[17:19] <kenvandine> and if you go into the upates page which triggers a check
[17:19] <kenvandine> the main view doesn't ever need to check
[17:19] <seb128> kenvandine, you mean if you go to update, then back on the main view, then wait there?
[17:20] <seb128> kenvandine, I guess that's ok, but not very useful either
[17:20] <kenvandine> i mean add a timer, like 60 seconds for the updates available entry
[17:20] <kenvandine> and if you happen to do anything that triggers a check
[17:20] <kenvandine> it'll not need to check itself
[17:20] <kenvandine> otherwise it will ?
[17:21] <seb128> kenvandine, not sure it makes sense to check after a bit
[17:21] <kenvandine> seb128, an easy way to improve the experience for right now
[17:21] <seb128> who is going to open settings to sit on the main grid for a minute?
[17:21] <kenvandine> well if you go into settings for some other reason
[17:21] <kenvandine> maybe tweak sounds
[17:21] <kenvandine> then back out to the main view
[17:21] <kenvandine> they'll be showing
[17:21] <seb128> check with mpt I guess
[17:22] <seb128> he might find the inconsistency worth than doing nothing
[17:22] <seb128> like "why was there no update, and I visited something and came back and now they are, couldn't it check the first time"
[17:22] <kenvandine> mpt, ^^
[17:22] <didrocks> enough for today, see you tomorrow guys
[17:22] <seb128> I would just disable the auto check
[17:22] <kenvandine> good night didrocks
[17:22] <seb128> didrocks, have a good evening!
[17:23] <kenvandine> that's what i had done
[17:23] <kenvandine> then if you go into updates
[17:23] <didrocks> see you kenvandine, enjoy your almost-week-off seb128 :)
[17:23] <kenvandine> and back out
[17:23] <kenvandine> you see the count
[17:23] <seb128> didrocks, thanks :-)
[17:23] <seb128> kenvandine, that works for me
[17:23] <kenvandine> ideally we'd have the emblem or whatever
[17:23] <seb128> right
[17:23] <kenvandine> but that isn't as quick of a fix :)
[17:25] <seb128> kenvandine, I can have a look to bug #1368920 if you want
[17:25] <kenvandine> seb128, that would be great
[17:25] <seb128> kenvandine, k, take over this one then (and I'm going to look at well at making about use libclick rather than the click command line)
[17:26] <seb128> kenvandine, ups, I just noticed it was assigned by Pat to Jonas, checking with him as well