=== jpds is now known as Guest45053 === Krenair_ is now known as Krenair === dutchie_ is now known as dutchie === Laney is now known as Guest69163 [00:24] hi all [00:24] ;] === tsimpson_ is now known as tsimpson [00:29] hallo [01:58] what to watch [01:58] hms === stgraber_ is now known as stgraber [05:43] honourable woman has been my reply for the week === smittix_ is now known as smittix [07:40] morning all [07:41] I'm thinking we should be able to find a pub in London with "utopic", "utopia" or "unicorn" in the name for the next release party [07:42] http://www.geronimo-inns.co.uk/london-the-lion-unicorn [07:42] like this maybe [07:42] http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/pubsandbars/the-unicorn-info-54649.html [07:42] or this === Guest69163 is now known as Laney === deegee is now known as drussell === msm is now known as Guest58999 [08:26] 7th consecutive day off work :( [08:26] this has ruined my good record.. === foobarry_ is now known as foobarry [08:30] wife is signed off sick for 6 weeks [08:34] foobarry: under the weather? [08:35] SuperMatt: just a tad. sickness, bronchitis, fever, now the devasting effects of high dose penicillin on my digestion [08:35] i've had better weeks :( [08:37] Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy International Dot Day! :-D [08:43] morning boys and girls. === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 === Guest45053 is now known as jpds [10:37] nophones4u [10:40] whats the process for getting a vodafone-locked phone unlocked? [10:42] foobarry: ring vodafone [10:42] do they charge £20? [10:44] foobarry: no idea on the whole they just give you a code or send a message and done. [10:47] vodafone moto g is £90 [10:48] other ones are 130 [10:50] davmor2: vodafone charge £20 [10:50] there's some spyware ridden way to do it too [10:50] foobarry: Could try phones4u, I guess they may be selling stock off cheaply [10:51] I think the last vodafone phone I needed unlocking, I just took it to a local market stall & paid about a fiver [10:53] firms under administration don't tend to make those sort of decisions AFAIK. they were previously profitable business [10:53] so might get bought out and continue as before [11:03] Thats true, although I'm not sure who would think about buying them, can't see the operators buying them if they're trying to get more inhouse business, and neither carphonewarehouse because all the phones4u shops are probably sited next door to a carphonewarehouse store, dixons group & carphonewarehouse are merging so thats the major electrical retailer tied up, external party would be unlikely given they haven't got long term deals with the ... [11:03] ... operators, only place I could see that may be interested would be one of the major supermarkets (Tesco etc) looking to expand on their own phone services [11:09] I thought they should just say "right then, we'll just sell phones" [11:10] But it underscores that their business model isn't selling phones, it's selling contracts and insurance [11:10] But I'd love a major retailer that just sold unlocked phones for sensible competitive prices [11:23] Just read, phones4u are cancelling any iphone 6 pre-orders [11:28] hi all [11:28] why DJones ? [11:30] Presumably having gone into administration & not having agreements with operators, they can't sell any contracts [11:31] ah [11:31] didnt know that [11:32] mapps: Only been anounced this morning [11:34] howdy all [11:35] hey MooDoo [11:35] im not sure about the iphone 6..cant decide which id get [11:35] the watch..yea not interested at all [11:39] I promised myself that my iPhone 4S would be my last iPhone. [11:39] when we announced the phone I said my next phone would be an Ubuntu one. [11:45] i dislike having these 2 year contracts too [11:46] thats oldschool [11:46] buy device outright [11:51] sed -e "s/SNOWFLAKE/$username/" /etc/openvpn/client.conf.template >$TMPDIR/client.ovpn [11:51] whats that sed -e s/SNOWFLAKE do? [11:52] ah i see [11:53] sed is the best [11:54] as is awk [11:54] learn both [11:54] :) [11:55] but if I'm hotest "sed -e 's///g' -i " is the most common thing you'll use in sed [11:55] and in awk, you'll probably want to use "awk '{print $2'}" which would print the second word of each line [11:56] oops, that was wrong [11:56] awk '{print $2}' [11:56] you'd use that if you just needed to second column out of a certain output [11:56] for instance [11:56] you can replace the 2 with anything [11:56] those are some of my most commonly used sed and awk commands [11:57] i always think sed/awk are confusing [11:57] :D [11:57] they're not when you know what they're doing and how they're doing it [11:57] but then sometimes you just think "well I really only need this so I'll commit it to memory" [12:07] yeah, those two things are the only thing I ever do with sed/awk ☻ [12:20] why did phone operators cancel their arrangements with phone4u? [12:20] did they conspire together? [12:23] they didnt all at the same time [12:23] ultimately because they felt they could make more money without phones4u than with [12:25] popey: did a user follow up with you about the ubuntu package submission process ? [12:27] ikonia: he pm'ed me after that conversation with you, then went offline before I could reply [12:28] i have an answer for him, but he didnt stick around unfortunately [12:32] afternoon ikonia [12:34] i want to buy a phone off contract,canty think of anyone besdies amazon atm [12:34] i did pre order the iphone6 with ee..but not really sure if i want it [12:34] ebuyer sell off contract phones iirc [12:35] any high st? [12:36] tesco do, but locked to tesco [12:36] hmmm cant think of any [12:36] foobarry: if you want cheap and cheerful, the Y300 from Carphone warehouse is quite cool [12:36] you can get them for £40 new, and they are a reasonably nippy dual core android device [12:36] annoying about my contract..got unlimited eu minutes and texts but no damn data [12:36] i'm gettinga moto [12:36] so i have to get a new sim:( [12:37] I know a few people who have the Y300s now, they are good :) [12:38] http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_ascend_y300-5386.php specs, http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/buy/huawei-y300-o2pyu-upgra (seems I got the price a tad wrong, but still an awesome deal) [12:39] y300 is garbage IME [12:39] the huawei OS is garbage. as is cyanogen on it [12:40] wow carphone warhouse dont even sell motorola [12:40] directhex: my friend uses it with CM on it with no issues, as his daily driver [12:40] Azelphur: traded mine in at CEX (worth more as a trade-in than a refund) within a week of getting it. it was that awful. [12:41] * Azelphur shrugs [12:41] what was wrong with it specifically? [12:41] with CM, or the stock OS? [12:42] either really [12:42] stock I suppose, my mum runs stock and doesn't have issues either [12:42] wow, low res [12:43] we have a y300 here also, running CM11, biggest issue is so little ram. [12:43] extremely unresponsive, repeatedly struggled to connect to 3G or wifi. all the usual issues of android on an underpowered device, really [12:43] how much rams [12:43] experience says you can get a lumia 5xx for the same money as an ascent y300, and only one of those is fit for purpose [12:43] foobarry: 407mb. [12:43] oof [12:43] directhex: never heard of those issues, heck my friend uses it as his main internet connection through tethering, has no landline, plays games like Minecraft while tethering through it. [12:43] apps take 1 mins to load on my htc now \o/ [12:44] something horrific has happened. maybe uber slow storage, or lots of bad blocks [12:44] i would never recommend a y300 to anyone, having owned one. whereas the lumia that replaced it is smoother & faster than my nexus 4 [12:45] fewer apps than android, and reddit runs like garbage. that's the hate list for the lumia 520 [12:45] oh, the y300 battery was garbage too [12:46] strange, as I say I've been passing them out like candy to family and friends and nobody has ever reported any major Y300 issues back to me [12:46] I disagree with it being underpowered too, a decent dual core is fine for Android [12:46] Maybe you had a faulty unit, as I say, it works fine for all the people I've provided with it, both heavy and light users. [12:47] your friends & family have a poor frame of reference. see also: kia always gets better customer satisfaction ratings than mercedes, since the kia driver's previous car was a j-reg rust bucket [12:48] directhex: the guy who tethered actually had a Nexus 4 before the Y300, dropped his N4 and smashed the screen, is so happy with the Y300 he hasn't even bothered to order a replacement screen for his N4 in months now [12:48] and I end up using my mums Y300 from time to time, coming from a Nexus 5, again I see no issues with it [12:49] the one thing the y300 was excellent at was being purple [12:50] ...the Y300 is black, are we talking about the same phone? [12:50] http://images.carphonewarehouse.com/is/image/cpw/mobiles/large/HUAWEI-Y300_PURPLE_2?wid=232&hei=348 [12:51] haha, never seen the purple variant before [12:51] i wanted to like it. who wouldn't like a sub-£80 smartphone with android != 2.x? [12:52] who wouldn't like a *purple* sub-£80 smartphone with android != 2.x? [12:52] directhex: as I say, maybe you had a faulty unit, I know at least 4 people with that phone, none of them have reported the issues you're mentioning [12:52] (that is, 4 people I recommended get that phone, and they subsequently got it) [12:53] i find generally it works well, but anything that needs ram, it just slows, like the FB app. [12:55] brobostigon: I know one of the guys I recommended is a heavy social networking user, just asked him how the fb app works for him :) [12:56] and? [12:56] no answer yet [12:57] ok, [12:57] maybe the unit i had was defective. it's possible, though i'm dubious, given the speed behaviour is exactly the same as the "needs moar ghz" behaviour that android has had since 1.x [12:57] but that doesn't mean i won't strongly recommend a lumia 500 series, which costs the same, to anyone asking [12:57] directhex: yea I know Android plays up on low power devices (anything single core can gtfo) [12:57] but, a dual core 1.2 is ample [12:58] 13:56:17 < Azelphur> no answer yet [12:58] "lol" [12:58] hehe [12:58] probably busy/sleeping [12:59] once it's finsihed rebooting, he'll be able to reply! [12:59] :D [13:00] ;) [13:01] found a video on youtube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ0SIG0kZCY&t=2m30s [13:01] doesn't seem overly sluggish, admittedly not perfect but then what do you expect from a budget device, it seems to perk up once all the content is loaded. [13:03] just noticed in the related videos, it can run Real Racing 3, that's insane... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K8hE1KNtnQ&t=2m20s [13:03] I would not have expected real racing 3 on that device, at all [13:05] that's not "overly sluggish" to you? ._. [13:05] directhex: nope, a little jitter on scrolling while loading the initial content is not overly sluggish [13:05] anyway, now you mention it, the charge cable was certainly defective (pins were screwed up), so could the phone also have had dubious QA & been defective [13:06] * Azelphur shrugs [13:10] Azelphur: okay, here is what i'm comparing to. note, this device has a cpu 16% slower than the y300. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8aaYL6ifaU#t=461 [13:11] welp, its official https://mojang.com/2014/09/yes-were-being-bought-by-microsoft/ [13:11] directhex: yea, it's smoother for facebook, but of course how fast the facebook app works is a terrible metric :) [13:11] it's the one you picked! [13:11] popey: inb4 xbox exclusive [13:12] directhex: no, brobostigon mentioned it. [13:13] because the FB app is incredibly slow, even on my nexus7, [13:13] for example. [13:13] ^ is why it's a terrible metric [13:14] its ram and cpu heavy, and sucks battery power also, its fail. [13:14] indeed [13:15] my point, lost in all this, is windows phone is *incredibly* smooth, as far as UX goes, on any spec. even the slowest, weakest, single-core-est device they ever shipped. if i were looking for a low-spec phone, i know from experience that windows phone does a superb job of making low-spec usable, and that android cannot make that same spec as smooth [13:15] brobostigon: it'd be interesting to see how the FB app on the Y300 compared to the N7 for example :) [13:16] directhex: indeed, but at the same time you sacrifice a lot of functionality for that smoothness [13:16] compared in which ways, we have both devices. [13:16] brobostigon: I mean, speed wise [13:17] directhex: have you also tried unbuntu on phones? [13:17] comparing FB app on Android to FB app on WP is silly [13:17] but comparing FB app on Y300 vs N7, gives you an idea how well the budget phone performs compared to a high end device [13:18] having over double the ram in my nexus7, to that of the y300, makes a big difference. [13:18] I see [13:19] afternoon directhex [13:20] [13:20] popey: thanks for trying [13:20] np [13:21] foobarry: no, i haven't used ubuntu phone [13:21] ello room [13:21] new to irc [13:22] any good xchat tuts around? [13:23] oh well cya! [13:23] ....ok [13:23] ikonia! i can't believ eyou still haven't taken me out for beer! i've been in the west country for like SIX MONTHS now! [13:23] and i haven't made a single friend :( [13:23] SO SADS [13:24] christel: lets make it so, I've had to be "away" for a while due to an ill family member [13:24] but I got back last week so lets make it happen [13:25] oh no, i am sorry to hear that! i hope they have recovered [13:25] * christel hugs [13:25] yes! let's make it so :) [13:25] number one [13:26] \o/ [13:27] christel: you moved!? [13:27] ikonia: i don't think we've ever had a beer either. you should beer more. [13:29] popey: ack yes, i spent six months being so poorly last winter (developed a shedload of allergies that caused asthma and an unbelievable winter of lung issues) so we decided to head to the west country to be closer to the grandparents :) [13:29] boom https://mojang.com/2014/09/yes-were-being-bought-by-microsoft/ [13:30] 2 point 5 billion [13:30] directhex: I'll try to fix that [13:30] directhex: my beer in take in the last 24 months has been low, I'll try to fix [13:30] popey: it is very strange, i am surrounded by cows. they moo at me :) [13:30] haha [13:31] (actually, sometimes they STARE at me and I get all nervous) [13:32] when I worked in wales i had to find the B&B which was in the middle of nowhere. I phoned them and they said "Where are you?" I said "I dunno, I'm on a hill and I can see lots of sheep" - "You must be nearby then!" [13:32] christel: do you often ask them if you have moo'd today [13:33] https://scontent-a-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10464252_10152572476895937_6807350504372811915_n.jpg?oh=cf66e70f74f1814d18ca268fb6010046&oe=54C98F45 is what i see when i look out of my bedroom window in the morning [13:34] directhex: it's not like anyone plays minecraft right, or like it sold rights to lego or anything [13:34] microsoft owns a very popular pile of cross-platform java [13:34] popey: lol [13:34] probably the only reason java gets installed on desktop pcs in 2014 [13:35] virtual kvm's [13:35] popular reason to get frustrated with java [13:37] http://pastebin.com/n1qTeikM notch posted his reasons [13:38] how popular is "popular" though? 17 million people own minecraft for pc [13:40] So it'll come to Windows phone now. [13:41] which it never did previously. [13:41] That'll get Microsoft some young eyeballs [13:41] popey: no it won't not unless the don't ship it on android anymore [13:42] It will. [13:42] Windows phones are in shops, and when mums and dads buy phones for little jonny and jane one major question is "does it run minecraft" [13:42] if no then goodbye phone. [13:43] Not "does it run ubuntu phone?" ? [13:44] is that a new game? [13:46] "Portal was first released as part of The Orange Box for Microsoft Windows and Xbox 360 on October 9, 2007, and for the PlayStation 3 on December 11, 2007. The Windows version of the game is also available for download separately through Valve's content delivery system Steam and was released as a standalone retail product on April 9, 2008" - portal was part of a variety pack when it shipped, not a standalone game [13:46] is it good ? [13:46] gah, ECHAN [13:46] portal, such a good game, [13:47] I'm sad there isn't a new one [13:47] I'd love to play it but I get sick [13:48] portal makes you feel sick ? [13:48] yup. [13:48] or ubuntu phone [13:48] falling from heights [13:48] it's quite all over the place when you bonce through a hole [13:48] yup [13:50] I can just about play Assassin's Creed [13:50] even that is a bit difficult [13:50] I can't imagine how bad it were if it was 3D [14:10] morning [14:11] srs? I got disconnected for over 30 mintues and now I'm back on the net again my remote ssh connection that was running before the d/c is _still responding_ [14:11] that's one heck of a resiliancy [14:31] http://img.memerial.net/memerial.net/2199/can-reveal-hidden-laser-traps.jpg [14:39] diddledan: how often in your life do you walk into a laser trap? I would suggest if it is more than 0 you need to change your job :P [14:40] I don't know, because I don't smoke! [14:41] diddledan: besides sure vaps would be better for that too I've seen the amount of vapour those things give off :) [14:41] lol [14:42] so you want to be a pentester: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj0OoWyf9yA [14:42] (where I got that image off) [14:43] one thing they mention is that their clients have insisted in the past to know what tools they're gonna use and what IP they're coming from. I've had the reverse where a pentester has complained that we blocked them [14:45] diddledan: and then you got fired for giving them access without the proper authorisation ;) [15:44] We had that... pentesters who asked for the admin password [15:44] Couldn't decide if they were just being meta or not [15:47] * awilkins 7.4Mdoge/s [15:52] awilkins: it might be a clever social engineering attack [15:57] it's all about the flash drive sprinkling at the entrance [15:57] I don't want a flash drive after someone has sprinkled on it [15:57] that sounds like a bonding experience [15:57] mass flash drive sprinkling [15:58] you guys are ruining the family friendly ambiance :( [15:58] oops [15:59] to be honest, I wasn't aware we had our own ambulance [16:00] do we get enough random muggings to require our own? [16:25] did anyone else notice that there was an ubuntu global jam over the weekend? 'cos it was pretty quiet you'd be forgiven for missing it entirely! o_O [16:26] i don't have a clue of any events [16:26] or is it next weekend? [16:26] there were fireworks Saturday night, no idea what for [16:26] \o/ for firewerks [16:28] i couldn't see them mind, the buildings between me and the town seafront are too tall [16:28] i could just make out the clouds lit by their light [16:28] maybe there was actually an invasion and that was gunfire? [16:28] ;) [16:29] that explains why everyone looked different today [16:29] perhaps i'm the only one left [16:29] you know what us northerners are like about invading people of late! [16:30] heck even the northern northerners want rid of the association. come friday they might be going it alone [16:30] that is until we invade them again [16:30] I think that's the plan - let them vote for independance and then invade and rule with an iron fist [16:31] XD [16:31] you best buy your northern eggs whilst you can, sir [16:43] "In breaking news, it has been revealed that ISIS stands for Independent Scotland Is Subjugated" [16:45] "Oops, sorry, that's next months bulletin" [16:45] "This months says 'Independent Scotland Is Satanic' " [16:46] "Cabinet source were reported as saying that the intelligence services had 'had a bit of a mix-up when Googling something' " [16:46] "David Cameron pledged immediately to take action to prevent the heathen Scot from becoming an undue influence on the youth of NuBrit" [16:50] really can't stand politics on IRC [16:50] * DJones points awilkins to #ubuntu-uk-politics [16:51] That was satire! [16:51] :P [16:51] I can happily ignore most politics on IRC [16:51] it's social issue commentary that rails me [16:52] social what now? [16:56] daftykins: yes, that's the one [16:57] discussing social whatnow should be a T&C (either for or against, just mentioned so we know which) [16:57] immigration 'criticism', ethnic minority 'discussions', misogynism. And this wasn't an invite to start discussing them, because I just get my blood pressure soaring [16:58] Myrtti: you could always try being on topic yourself ;) [16:58] Myrtti: so how about those current affairs, eh? [16:59] they're somewhat "current" IMO [16:59] and we all know how affairs end up [17:00] so glad this person email'd me with their NAS' serial number [17:01] means i am requesting my rebate of £35 from Lenovo :D [17:01] lol [17:06] * DJones notes not to use daftykins as an IT supplier, he doesn't even record serial numbers of hardware he installs :) [17:08] DJones: i didn't expect to end up in hospital unable to ride there again. [17:08] and my memory's gone wonky. [17:09] Hah, wait till you mine and the theopensourceer's age, memory is one of those things kinds have, but you can't remember having kids, so even they can't remeber for you :) [17:11] s/kinds/kids/ [17:11] it was more faceplanting the road at 20mph that affected my memory, forget age ;) [17:14] Mine is the opposite, I've not faceplanted the road, but I have got older === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [17:32] do people here prefer glossy or matte screens? [17:32] my laptop has a glossy one and there are definitely times when it frustrates me [17:33] i could swap it out for ~£50 but i don't care enough to do so :) [17:35] it frustrates me a lot, 27¨ 2560x1440 monitor [17:36] is this the one you are selling? [17:37] yeah, how do you sell iḿ sellnig a monitor? [17:38] no idea, i'm not in your country, whichever it may be [17:52] * brobostigon prefers a matte display, like on his kindle. [17:58] hmmm [17:58] ./build-dh is taking ages this time [17:58] ujjain: you mentioned it here the other day [17:58] I have no idea whether my laptop is matte or gloss [17:58] ah right yeah, true :) [17:59] my monitor is just too glossy [18:09] anyone know of a browser extension which shows the http content type for a file when I download it? [18:16] popey: wget x | grep x ;) [18:22] yay, chrome dev tools to the rescue [18:23] popey: f12 in firefox 2 possibly [18:23] s/2/too [18:52] popey: you could have done it the haxx0r way with curl :-p [18:52] curl -I http://bar.bar/black/sheep [18:54] popey: can you see your reflection in the screen? [18:54] (when it is turned off) [18:55] ali1234: I can see my reflection when it's on [18:56] even if you display a fully white screen? [18:57] ali1234: well then I can't see anything just full stop ;) [19:07] ali1234: no [19:07] diddledan: nope, authed website [19:08] aww [19:09] popey: it's matte then [19:09] dont think I've ever owned a glossy one then [19:09] why do people like them? [19:09] because they are shiny [19:09] mmm, shiny [19:09] * diddledan petpet [19:09] also easier to clean fingerprints off them [19:11] you want a glossy screen on a tablet or phone for that reason [19:11] like the nexus 7, that's a glossy screen [19:21] https://imgur.com/qTJ7Wb5 [19:21] popey: is that what microsoft plans for minecraft? [19:25] diddledan: nah, they'll replace the square tiles on the Win8 home screen with cubes [19:25] minecraft cubes [19:25] 200 pound for a dp2710 2560x1440 korean monitor seems fine right? I found a buyer. [19:29] its 204 new on ebay, free postage, so yeah. [19:37] when I bought it, I had to pay 40/50 pound to some guys btw [19:37] I dont know their nmame in English [19:37] like border control [19:37] VAT [19:41] import duties + VAT [19:42] In .nl, we pay those too, + a €20 "service fee" to the postal company... [19:45] Yeah exactly! [19:46] well, in 45min buhyer should be here, I hate the glossy thing. I´ll get a normal one from Amazon, just full-hd, around 110 pound. [19:47] I am hungry, today I bought chinese but found out at home they didnt include rice, appearently its normal in the UK to sell rice seperately [19:47] ujjain: Dell U2913WM [19:48] ujjain: It's the best screen I've ever used [19:48] thanks, but I´m kind of trying to save and I don´t spend much time behind my PC anymore, so simple should really suffice. [19:49] it's the same price as a normal screen [19:49] it´s 385 euro. [19:51] http://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/IIYAMA-ProLite-E2483HS1-inch-Monitor/product/B00FABG2DI?active=price_amazon&context=home_tracked_deals this was 110pound, seems fine enough for me [20:14] \o/ camelcamelcamel [20:14] wow, that's wiiiiiide [20:36] Evening [20:39] yo [20:39] happy birthday for the birthday you had recently [20:41] thanks mr popey [20:42] not a very nice birthday though :( [20:42] oh? [20:42] Split up wth the missus recently, so first birthday living on my own [20:42] eek! [20:42] didnt know that, sorry to hear [20:42] Such is life [20:43] Onwards and upwards and such like [20:43] How goes life at Canonical? [20:43] busy [20:43] Good busy? [20:43] yeah [20:43] fun busy [20:43] Good :) [20:44] living on your own can be fun [20:44] It has its moments. I shall be muchly happy when my sofa arrives and I can get rid of this horrid futon [20:45] :) [20:45] oh god yeah, futons suck [20:47] They're fun for a few days, then they're horrid [20:47] After nearly 3 months of this, I'm done with it [20:59] youtube keeps advertising "relish broadband" at me - has anyone heard of it evar? [20:59] hint. relish.net [21:00] looks like it's london only? [21:00] gah [21:00] donno why they think I'm a londoner [21:00] why does this script work for the first client and then give me errors [21:00] arghhhh [21:01] :( === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [22:59] who fancies a challenge? http://space.io9.com/cryptography-embedded-in-stargate-universe-is-a-lesson-1634445198 [23:24]