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pittiGood morning04:54
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willcooketkamppeter, I've just emailed the printer guys from last week07:10
didrocksmorning willcooke07:11
willcookehey didrocks07:12
* willcooke grumble grumble 07:13
willcookeearly start again07:13
willcookeI need more sleep :)07:13
* didrocks does the first real pull requests review on a non small feature addition by a contributor on udtc!07:24
willcooke\o/07:25
larsumorning guys!07:34
willcookehey larsu07:35
didrockshey larsu07:44
Guest45203Guest45203 has arrived!08:03
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Laneyphew08:05
larsuhi Laney  :)08:06
willcookehi Laney08:07
didrocksmorning Laney08:07
Laneymorning chaps08:07
Laneyhow goes?08:07
willcookeis good08:08
larsugood good08:08
GunnarHjSweetshark: Hi Björn, any chance that you can upload bug #1308771? You assigned yourself to it 3 months ago, so the sponsors seem to be disinclined to interfere.08:39
ubot5bug 1308771 in libreoffice-dictionaries (Ubuntu) "Update Swedish spellcheck and hyphenation dictionaries" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130877108:39
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willcookedidrocks, what do you think > >>  We have a meeting on Friday with the Community team re: developer desktop, should we cancel the meeting today with Jorge?08:53
didrockswillcooke: yeah, no need to ETOOMANYMEETINGS, and we have our catchup tomorrow anyway08:53
willcooke:D08:53
willcookeFJKong, happyaron, can you let me have an email with your updates for the meeting in before your EOD (unless you are coming to the meeting)09:43
SweetsharkGunnarHj: Sorry, getting LibreOffice itself to 4.3 in utopic had priority. Will look into it today, note however I dont have any upload rights whatsoever anyway.09:57
mitya57sil2100: ping about lp:~mitya57/appmenu-qt5/lp136210410:03
sil2100mitya57: hey! On my radar, just being overwhelmed by landing team stuff - will look into it today I hope10:09
sil2100mitya57: sorry about that10:09
Sweetsharkwillcooke: you recently told me you updated my name in hr tools. Possibly as a sideeffect this broke my login on some hr-tools. The syncs there seem to be very fragile and cant seem to be able to decide if my first name only has a 'o' or an 'oe'.10:12
Laney"Some German Guy"10:12
* ogra_ doesnt see an oe in Sweetshark 10:13
Sweetsharkwillcooke: and no Im not seeing ghosts, this is with creds from a pw-manager -- and it used to work yesterday morning, but not yesterday evening. still doesnt work with the stored combo today, but I accidentally found it working with the other account name.10:14
Sweetsharkogra_: I really dont want to try to convince hr about that account name. ;)10:15
ogra_hehe10:15
willcookehrm10:19
GunnarHjSweetshark: Well, upload help is what I'm asking for. pitti uploaded to Utopic in June, and jdstrand reviewed it 1+ month ago and was about to upload to Trusty, but raised a question which I addressed.10:21
LaneyGunnarHj: sounds like you need a patch pilot :-)10:21
Sweetsharkwillcooke: fwiw, hr says this is likely not coming from your change. Which may very well be, I have seen that before, but not yet in such a clean cut "works in the morning, failed later" with the same stored pw.10:22
GunnarHjLaney: Right. Are you still in duty?10:23
Laneynope10:23
GunnarHj:(10:23
Laneybut give me the link again and I'll look in a bit10:23
LaneyGood Guy Laney™10:23
GunnarHjLaney: bug #130877110:24
ubot5bug 1308771 in libreoffice-dictionaries (Ubuntu) "Update Swedish spellcheck and hyphenation dictionaries" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130877110:24
GunnarHjLaney: TIA10:24
Laney--build-dep-resolver=aptitude ♥10:30
margaTrevinho, lots of confirmations that the packages fix the issues, no much news regarding other issues I mentioned.  When do you expect these to get SRUed?10:37
tkamppeterwillcooke, great, thanks.10:59
mitya57sil2100: no problem, we still have some time before the release11:14
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Trevinhomarga: we've a SRU waiting for some tests, so I think we need to plan that for the next one...12:11
Trevinhomarga: so, some weeks probably12:11
Trevinhomarga: but I can see if we can speed up things12:11
margaTrevinho, "some" = ?12:14
margaTrevinho, three? six? ten?12:14
Trevinhowell, considering that there are a lot of fixes to land, I guess it might be something like 512:14
margaTrevinho, does your first comment mean that there will be a release between now and then that is higher than the current and doesn't include the fix?12:15
Trevinhomarga: however I'm seeing if we can move that fix and others to the upcoming SRU instead12:15
Trevinhomarga: yes, the SRU is mostly "ready", but waiting in a silo for being released...12:15
margaTrevinho, I see.12:15
margaETA for that?12:16
didrocksdarkxst: commented on libmediaart MIR12:16
didrocksdarkxst: globally, +1 for me, but it would be nice to enable unit tests (they are disabled in debian/rules and no information in debian/changelog about why they are disabled)12:17
Trevinhomarga: I can't say much about that, just guess... bregma knows more12:17
margaTrevinho, do you have an isolated patch for the missing-prompt bug?12:18
margaIf the SRU comes without the fix, I could re-apply and re-build with the patch.12:18
Trevinhomarga: yep, the fix itself is in https://code.launchpad.net/~andyrock/unity/fix-130854012:19
Trevinhomarga: this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/single-lock-input instead has both the SRU and the fix12:19
margaok.12:20
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willcookehrm.13:35
willcookeI have a potentially v. important meeting @ the same time as our weekly13:35
willcookedidrocks, would you mind being chair today?13:35
larsuSaviq: hey, why bug #1365408 ?13:55
ubot5bug 1365408 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "Should ship a PNG icon instead of using the theme" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136540813:55
larsuit doesn't give a rationale13:55
* desrt notes that the icon theme is cached13:56
larsuit does give problems with looking up symbolic icons13:56
desrtwhich is a good way to avoid calling stat() a whole lot13:56
desrt...which is nice, since things that try to open one app icon for display have a tendency to follow that by opening _all_ app icons for display13:56
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renatularsu, hi13:57
larsurenatu: nice nick13:57
renatu:D13:57
desrtlarsu: he's in the imperative today13:57
larsudesrt: lol13:57
larsurenatu: waiting for Saviq to join13:57
renatusomebody took my "renato"13:57
ogra_larsu, isnt he on vacation ?13:58
larsuogra_: is he? He's online...13:58
ogra_there was a mail ...13:58
larsuindeed. thanks ogra_13:59
larsudesrt, renatu: not sure who we should talk to now. He didn't specify an "icons" contact :P13:59
renatu:D14:00
desrtthe desktop file spec (at least in so far as glib implements it) already allows specifying an absolute path for icons, so there's no problem there14:00
desrtthe only question is if this is actually a good idea or not, and i think the answer is 'no'14:00
desrtat least not if you plan for this to be the normal case in any way14:01
larsudesrt: even if you use that, there's no fallback14:01
larsuwhich we would need for the -symbolic case14:01
larsuor we could introduce X-SymbolicIcon14:01
larsuwhich is a bit ugly and would require i-messages to open the desktop file again (it uses appinfo right now)14:01
desrti think rather you should have some mechanism for these sort of things to get automatically bailed out of apps (click packages or otherwise) to a common cache directory where an index can be built14:02
desrtdesktop files, icons, whatever else14:02
desrtlarsu: appinfo has an arbitrary-key query api now14:02
desrtg_desktop_app_info_get_string()14:02
larsudesrt: cool thanks14:02
larsurenatu: ^^14:02
larsudesrt: this cache directory would be the theme?14:03
desrtone would certainly imagine wanting to structure it in precisely this way14:03
renatularsu, remember that click package can not write outside his own dir14:03
desrtin order to reuse all of the existing logic14:03
larsurenatu: the click package wouldn't write, rather the installer would extract it14:04
larsuwe're already doing that for desktop files, no?14:04
desrtgsettings schemas also come to mind14:04
larsuand gsettings schemas14:04
larsuha, lag makes me look slow ;)14:04
desrtlarsu: beer, etc.14:04
larsuyep14:04
larsuI hope the etc. involves more beer14:05
desrtthe 'etc.' involves me not actually caring, but not wanting to be called on it myself :)14:05
renatularsu, I do not know, how the installers works14:05
larsudesrt: I have the feeling this will be one of those fights not worth fighting...^^14:06
desrtfine by me... just wanted to give my opinion: absolute icon paths may be bad for performance, and have trouble with dealing with symbolic icons14:06
larsuright, this is what they're stumbling across right now14:06
desrtit also doesn't allow overriding icons, which may be desireable in some cases14:07
larsuunlikely for apps14:07
larsubut yeah, maybe for the built-in ones?!14:07
renatularsu, desrt, we should not have any .deb file in the future they want to move all apps to click packages14:08
renatueven the dialer, messaging and contacts14:08
desrtrenatu: sounds like a bad idea to me....14:08
renatuyeah I know14:09
desrtyou want as much of the core OS as possible to be in the readonly system image14:09
renatubut this is the plan14:09
desrtnot installed in the same way as add-on apps14:09
larsuand update the whole thing when an app changes?14:09
desrtlarsu: yes14:09
larsuyeah I can see that14:09
desrtthe only really sane thing to do is some sort of android-type hybrid scheme where the app lives in the core image but can get updates installed14:10
desrtwhich you hope won't happen too often14:10
desrtie: maybe my android tablet now has 4 or 5 google apps with updates installed -- that doesn't include the dialer14:10
larsuright14:11
larsurenatu: I guess this is very urgent?14:12
larsuI can make indicator-messages read X-Ubuntu-SymbolicIcon, which would help for now14:12
renatularsu, this will be nice14:12
larsuI think appending -symbolic is the wrong thing to do, because it doesn't have a fallback14:12
larsuadding an additional key which only indicator-messages knows about is a bit gross though14:13
renatularsu, but we will keep the current behavior for themed icons?14:13
larsuI'll make a note on the bug14:13
larsurenatu: yes. This is only for file icons14:13
renatuok nice14:13
larsuman, now you made me hate this again14:13
renatukkk14:14
renatularsu, btw I think this key should have priorities over everything14:14
larsudesrt: thanks for your input14:14
larsurenatu: it will14:14
renatufor example if you are using a themed icon but you specified a X-Ubuntu-SymbolicIcon it should use it14:15
renatuok nice14:15
renatuthanks14:15
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didrockswillcooke: oh, sure!14:25
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willcookethx didrocks - I'll forward you the notes from the others14:29
didrocksyw14:33
mitya57charles: hi, you approved my indicator-session MP, do you know why the CI/merge wasn't triggered?14:40
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GunnarHjLaney: Where did that Good Guy go? ;)15:15
larsugood guy? Seb?15:15
GunnarHjlarsu: Nah, it was Laney who claimed to be the one. :)15:16
larsuah, I thought you were asking him for the good guy (excluding him)15:16
Laneyright here, babes15:16
LaneyI said "a bit", be patient a little longer please15:17
GunnarHjLaney: Ok.15:18
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didrocksOk, seems it's this time of the week already! Meeting time!15:30
willcookethx didrocks15:30
didrocksattente_, desrt, FJKong, Laney, larsu, quengho, Sweetshark, tkamppeter: meeting! I hope I didn't forget anybody.15:30
willcookebbiab15:30
willcookewell, I'll be here, but PTP15:30
willcookeOTP15:30
didrocksno worry willcooke ;)15:30
FJKongha15:30
didrockseverybody's all right? Will has a typical manager excuse to not chair this meeting (like another conflicting meeting and he likes the others more than us ;)) and seb128 is slac^W^W^W^Won vacations.15:31
* desrt thinks didrocks doesn't know what ^W does15:32
* larsu thinks didrocks meant ^H15:32
Laney(H)15:33
desrtdidrocks: you're in charge, then?15:33
willcooketrololololol15:33
didrocksdesrt: yep :)15:33
desrtdidrocks: you're doing a bad job.15:33
desrtdidrocks: get moving!15:33
didrocksahah, let's start then, attente_?15:33
larsuI should point out the obvious bias towards French people who are running this meeting15:33
desrtlarsu: ya... will isn't fooling anyone with that british-sounding name of his...15:33
desrtthat extra 'e' on the end is instantly suspect.... like the concorde15:34
attente_hey15:34
larsudesrt: 2/3 is already a bias....15:34
attente_failed to fix sync issues between fcitx and u-s-d15:34
attente_so instead switched i-keyboard and u-s-d to use fcitx' current IME instead, and disabling per-window behaviour in i-keyboard, it's in the transition PPA15:34
attente_modifying the u-c-c region panel UI to use fcitx' per-window behaviour instead15:34
attente_(eof)15:34
Laneywhip these rebels into line15:34
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didrocksthanks attente_15:34
didrocksdesrt: instead of trolling, anything to share with us? ;)15:34
desrtdidrocks: ya... i ended up fixing that inotify poll-every-4-seconds issue with desktop files15:35
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desrti also did a systemd-shim release, but found out that although the problem with cgroups is solved logind is not properly GCing the session15:35
didrocksexcellent! ready for utopic?15:35
desrtya.. it's in the glib release that went out yesterday, in fact15:35
didrocksgreat :)15:35
desrtam still working on the systemd-shim issues unfortunately... i figured out the root cause, but it's one of those things that every step i take to make us more correctly implement the systemd interface causes some other part of logind to increase its expectations15:36
desrtthat's all, more or less15:36
desrtlarsu, Laney: would appreciate some confirmation on the desktop polling fix15:37
desrtonce it lands15:37
Laneyi didn't follow the issue15:37
larsusure15:37
Laneybut okay, given a pointer15:37
desrtLaney: basically, if you have an app that accesses a desktop file, it will thereafter poll every 4 seconds15:37
desrtdue to the fact that we expect /usr/local/share/applications to exist, and it doesn't15:38
desrtso it checks every 4 seconds to see if it was created (thanks inotify)15:38
desrtso now we have a workaround that monitors parent directories instead15:38
larsudesrt: I can't reproduce this on my system btw15:38
desrtlarsu: got /usr/local/share/applications?15:38
larsudesrt: ya...15:38
desrtis your XDG_DATA_DIRS set to something else?15:38
didrocksmystery solved then :)15:39
desrtoh wait.  ya.15:39
desrtit won't happen if you have this, clearly :p15:39
larsudesrt: I read this wrong of course. I have dirs that are not in XDG_DATA_DIRS15:39
larsuwhatevs, can deal with later15:39
desrtlarsu: let's chat in detail after :)15:39
didrocksok, let's get larsu/Laney reproduce it with some unexisting folders and confirming the fix :)15:39
desrt(done)15:39
didrockslet's move on15:39
didrocksthanks desrt, great work :)15:40
didrocksFJKong: your turn!15:40
FJKongdo some research on Nautilus about Searching and find gnome-search-tool is good tool for advance searching15:40
FJKongreading source code of Nautilus15:40
FJKonglearn about type-ahead find and recursive search15:40
FJKonganalyze core dump of fcitx 100% problem15:40
FJKongthat'all I think15:40
desrtFJKong: what is your goal here?15:40
didrocksFJKong: do you think you start to get a grip on the nautilus code?15:40
FJKongI need to look the search of nautilus15:41
FJKongbecause NUDT want to add some feature on it15:42
FJKongif anyone have more experience, give me some help15:42
didrocksdesrt: basically, we try to check if we can bind nautilus for the Kylin version needs instead of them switching to another file manager and diverging from bare ubuntu15:42
didrocks(as we stick with nautilus in ubuntu itself for the context)15:43
FJKongthey want to use nemo15:43
desrtmore people upset with search functionality in nautilus?  i can scarcely believe it...15:43
desrtFJKong: good luck :)15:43
didrocksFJKong: if you need any help, you can ask on the channel generally15:43
desrtFJKong: and let me know if you need any help15:43
didrockswe are quite some people having touched the nautilus code15:43
desrt<--15:43
FJKongthat's very nice15:44
* didrocks as well (even if it's only ubuntu patches) ;)15:44
didrocksso yeah, do not hesitate!15:44
desrtwho wrote our own search patch?15:44
desrtthe one about restoring typeahead?15:44
desrtseems to be quite relevent...15:44
didrocksdesrt: I didn't touch the search, but other parts15:44
didrocksdesrt: and Kylin has other needs that only search15:44
FJKongdesrt: actually they want to add filter by date15:45
didrockswe can talk about it offline anyway15:45
desrtFJKong: ugh.15:45
FJKongnow nautilus only support search by name15:45
FJKongI am not sure why upstream doesn't support this15:45
didrocksFJKong: let's talk about it after the meeting about the needs, seems like desrt is interested in the topic and that can takes time :)15:45
didrocksthanks FJKong15:45
FJKongk15:46
FJKongthaks15:46
didrocksLaney: anything to share even if you are back from holidays?15:46
Laneyoh yeah some things15:46
Laney• v short week15:46
Laney• Upload gstreamer-bad merge, try to figure out how to upload to rtm15:46
Laney• Poke at dmb packageset script, make some updates for xubuntu15:46
Laney• Test and sync glib15:46
Laney• Review robert_ancell's PPA & hint to file FFe15:46
Laney• Package new wallpapers and upload (in NEW, hint hint)15:46
Laney• Review mvo's change to dh_girepository & upload it, run test rebuild in experimental, https://people.debian.org/~laney/gi-ma/15:46
Laney• Review some FFes15:46
Laney• Patch pilot15:46
Laney15:46
didrocksLaney: oh, planning to break gstreamer again on the phone? (j/k) ;)15:47
Laneythere was never a first time :-)15:47
* didrocks notes the NEW hint hint15:47
* didrocks will exchange against a FFe later on :p15:47
didrocksthanks Laney and welcome back!15:48
Laneyty15:48
didrocksqengho: around?15:48
qenghoHey!15:48
qengho* im-progress: Releasing 37.0.2062.120. Tried switching to uptream-prefered compiler clang, but #security talked me into reverting to gcc.15:48
qengho* new flash pepper-plugin version. In stage ppa.15:49
qengho* todo: cr/mir testing. didn't do any last week.15:49
qenghoEOF15:49
qengho"in-"15:49
didrocksqengho: is it a lot more work to not compile with clang?15:49
JackYuLaney, so busy:)15:49
qenghodidrocks: not more work, just ripping out some gcc-4.9 dodges, but it requires a lot of testing.15:50
qenghodidrocks: oh, I misunderstood your question. No additional work to keep gcc for now.15:50
didrocksqengho: ok. If that begins to be an issue, I think we should have some vUDS session around it. I can see more and more project switching to clang15:51
didrocksthanks qengho15:51
didrocksnext on the list is Sweetshark!15:51
qenghoSo sad that I didn't even have to say what package.  :(15:52
larsuhah :D15:52
didrockshum, seems no Sweetshark…15:53
didrocksSweetshark: reminder about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice-dictionaries/+bug/1308771 btw, for SRU :)15:53
ubot5Launchpad bug 1308771 in libreoffice-dictionaries (Ubuntu) "Update Swedish spellcheck and hyphenation dictionaries" [Medium,In progress]15:53
didrockstkamppeter: around or do you want me to paste your report in case you were not there?15:54
didrockslet's paste tkamppeter's summary15:55
didrocks - system-config-printer: Investigations on why the auto-download of15:55
didrocksdrivers stopped working.15:55
didrocks- system-config-printer: Uploaded new GIT snapshot with many Python315:55
didrockstransition fixes.15:55
didrocks- OpenPrinting web site: Phone meeting with Jeff Licquia on updating the15:55
didrocksserver and fixing some problems.15:55
didrocks- Bugs.15:55
didrocksI have some from TheMuso as well:15:55
didrocks* More research on Section 508, and found a couple of sites that give deacent summaries of what it is all about. http://www.accessibletech.com/dw/508explained.html - Focuses on web content and http://www.access-board.gov/guidelines-and-standards/communications-and-it/about-the-section-508-standards/guide-to-the-section-508-standards15:55
didrocks* Research CVAA, and don't think it is relevant to us. Summary at http://www.coataccess.org/node/9776 and more info at https://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/2013/05/14/cvaa-series-cvaa-overview/15:55
didrocks* Finished iteration 1 of the a11y community wiki docs rewrite, only covered unity so far, still need to rewrite GNOME docs, so have removed them for now. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility15:55
tkamppeterI am here, but you were faster.15:55
didrocks:)15:56
didrocksSome from Robert now:15:56
didrocksWorked on:15:56
didrocks- Released lightdm 1.11.915:56
didrocks- Backported multi-seat, Mir container sessions to LightDM 1.1015:56
didrocks- Released simple-scan 3.13.9215:56
didrocks- Fixed FTBFS for empathy15:56
didrocks- Bug triage, fixing15:56
didrocks- Booked flights to the sprint15:56
didrocks Currently working on:15:56
didrocks- Preparing LightDM 1.10.2 release and SRU15:56
didrocks- FFE for u-s-d/u-c-c changes15:56
didrocks- Bug fixing for utopic release15:56
didrocks Not blocked on anything.15:56
* larsu feels left out15:57
didrocksoh larsu! please share :)15:57
didrockslarsu: no worry, still 2 to go then ;)15:57
larsu- themes: new evince uses a headerbar for its toolbar (thanks to seb). Theme that correctly and review sebs patches15:57
larsu- reviewed desrts gdesktopappinfo-polls-too-much patch15:57
larsu- discuss symbolic icons for click packages and make a preliminary patch for indicator-messages15:57
larsu- my uitk icon theme branch finally landed, so I could update and merge unity8 and ubuntu-system-settings patches that use the Icon instead of StatusIcon component15:57
larsu- that icon theme patch from last week was missing tests, started working on those15:57
larsudidrocks: right, I thought you were going by the initial ping order15:57
larsueof15:57
didrockslarsu: I was, but Laney posted work for 2 persons, so I skipped over you (reasonable excuse? :p)15:58
larsuhaha, definitely15:58
larsuLaney: stop making us look bad!15:58
Laneydude15:58
Laneyjust use bullet points in tomboy15:58
Laneyit makes anyone look good15:59
* larsu install tomboy15:59
desrtlarsu: enjoy your VM15:59
didrocksnice work on the themes larsu :)15:59
didrocksbut -1 for installing tomboy :p15:59
Laney• breathed in15:59
Laney• breathed out15:59
Laney• slept a few times15:59
Laney• went to the pub15:59
desrtLaney: productive week!15:59
LaneySEE!15:59
didrocksheh15:59
desrtthe points are very professional!15:59
* larsu is blown away16:00
didrocksok, on the list to paste, I have happyaron's one:16:00
desrtLaney: i'm concerned that you appear not to have showered or brushed your teeth...16:00
didrocks 1. Reviewed and uploaded:16:00
didrocks1) indicator-china-weather16:00
didrocks2) UKSC16:00
didrocks3) unity-china-music-scope16:00
didrocks4) fcitx-qimapnel16:00
didrocks2. in progress:16:00
Laneydidn't want to make you all look bad by overachieving16:00
didrocks 1) fcitx-qimpanel: need to send removal request of fcitx-qimpanel-configtool16:00
didrocks2) Fcitx MIR: still waiting for new upstream release of fcitx, which16:00
didrockshas included most of necessary changes for unity integration16:00
didrocks3) got upload permission of ubuntukylin-meta package, upload pending16:00
didrocks4) ubuntukylin-default-settings changes16:00
didrocks 3. TBD:16:00
didrocks1) ubuntukylin-wallpapers: wait NUDT for the contest to finish16:00
didrocks2) youker-assistant: wait NUDT for new release16:00
didrocks3) wait for the mentioned release of chinese-calendar from NUDT16:00
didrocks(this guy should use bullet points!)16:00
didrocksk, finally mine (with last minute bullet points):16:01
didrocks• Blog post on how to contribute to ubuntu developer tools center. Got quite a lot of great feedback, a bunch of bug reports/suggestions on github. Spending some time to handle and triage those.16:01
didrocks• We got already one external contribution (readme fix!) and a bigger one (eclipse support) is coming from another awesome contributor! Spent some time tutoring/reviewing/giving examples.16:01
didrocks• Implemented framework removal support (in trunk for now)16:01
didrocks• Imlemented eclipse android (ADT) support to serve as an example (in a branch for now)16:02
didrocks• Switch to certified docker images now that their server-side bug is fixed16:02
didrocks• Some refactoring, cleanup and numerous additional tests (running daily)16:02
didrocks• Minor bug fixes on reinstalling16:02
didrocks• libmediaart MIR review.16:02
didrocks• working with IS to be able to run medium tests on the CI DC.16:02
didrocks• Next: file a FFe (one eclipse support and ADT are merged in) for next release in utopic and give that to kind Laney ;)16:02
didrocksEOF16:02
larsudidrocks: your bullet points are, like, so amazing16:02
desrtlarsu: i disagree16:02
desrtbullet points and periods at the ends of sentences don't mix.  noob error.16:02
didrockslarsu: yeah, I so copied them from… Laney ;)16:02
didrocksanything else to share?16:02
didrocksreminder: book your flights from next sprint if you didn't already16:03
larsudesrt: I ws talking about the bullet points only, not general typography. You probably also wouldn't say "no, because the shoes don't match" after I compliment someone's hair16:03
Laneythis meeting has had a higher than average proportion devoted to trolling16:04
Laneyi like it16:04
larsuno seb128...16:04
didrocksok, it seems nothing more than trolls in the air, time to wrap up, thanks everyone!16:04
desrtLaney: welcome back16:04
didrockswillcooke: end of meeting (if you copy and paste to the NZ/Australia guys)16:04
willcookethx didrocks, all16:05
Laneythanks!16:06
desrtwould it be a huge disaster for us if kylin just used nemo?16:06
desrtwould it be more maintainership work or something?16:06
FJKongdesrt: ok we turn to file manager topic16:07
desrtbecause as it is i think a lot of these requirements (requests?) are going to generate huge deltas vs. upstream and result in more work anyway16:07
Laneynot sure if it's better given that they want to patch the shit out of either of them16:07
desrtalthough some of them could be helpful -- the relabel filesystems, for example16:07
FJKongwe won't turn to nemo in short time, is that true?16:08
desrtubuntu desktop generally?  no.16:09
desrtwon't happen any time soon16:09
desrtmaybe never...16:09
desrtprobably we'd stick with nautilus until we have something redone for unity8 in qml, for example...16:09
didrocksLaney: NEWed (in main of course). Remember about it when I'll file this FFe, just saying :p16:10
Laneythanks ;-)16:10
didrocksyw16:10
didrocksdesrt: sounds like the plausible plan, yeah16:10
FJKongNUDT will use nautilus in community verion and nemo for pre-install16:10
didrocksdesrt: maybe we should still patch at least the features that makes sense to us (and propose them upstream for sure)?16:11
desrtdidrocks: like bringing back the tree directory view?  good luck with that proposal...16:11
FJKongso maybe they want me add some feature on nautilus and they will do on namo and maintain by themself16:11
didrocksdesrt: not that one, but the relabel filesystem16:12
didrocksdesrt: I'm not sure we want the tree directory in ubuntu for instance16:12
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desrtya... relabel is totally cool, of course, if someone wants to do the work16:12
FJKongdidrocks: relabel filesystem means you can rename label of filesystem?16:12
desrti'll even volunteer to review the patch and help get it upstream16:12
desrtFJKong: yes.  it's possible to do this using a dbus API via udisks, with polkit integration16:13
desrti think upstream would take such a patch16:13
desrtorg.freedesktop.UDisks2.Filesystem.SetLabel on the block_device object, fwiw16:14
FJKongdesrt: could you tell me some more detail on searching in nautilus?16:15
desrtFJKong: i don't know much on this area other than to have an opinion that search-by-date is probably not a completely awesome feature16:16
desrtparticularly "by last accessed time" is completely unreliable16:16
desrtwhich is why this feature was removed in the first place16:16
FJKongdesrt: to be honest, I never use search by date16:18
FJKongI think in nautilus searching by name is enough for me16:18
FJKongIf I need to find, maybe I will use find in terminal.16:18
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didrockswillcooke: FYI, seems google is going the docker path (http://www.dartosphere.org/2014/09/16/docker-images-for-dart-now-available.html)16:39
didrockswillcooke: they start to have quite a lot of images: https://registry.hub.docker.com/repos/google/16:39
didrocks(but they didn't fix the "hit and refresh" issue)16:39
LaneyGunnarHj: this is fixed for utopic, yes?16:40
willcookedidrocks, cool16:45
GunnarHjLaney: Not quite. The MP is an addition to what's already in utopic.16:47
GunnarHjLaney: I did it after jdstrands review.16:50
willcookelarsu, Laney desrt FJKong - please could you populate your travel details in the spreadsheet as soon as you have flights confirmed etc16:51
willcookeSweetshark, ^^16:51
Laneystill waiting to book16:51
willcookechop chop :)16:51
larsuwillcooke: ah thanks for reminding me16:51
Laneynot my delay!16:52
Laneywell, not right now16:52
LaneyI can be partially blamed16:52
willcooke:D16:52
desrtwillcooke: already did, no?16:53
willcookedoh, sorry desrt16:53
didrocksfatest holidays approval ever!16:56
* desrt tries one too16:57
Laneyslackers16:57
didrocksdesrt: let's DDOS this guy! :)16:57
* willcooke . . o O ( So manager. Such approval. wow)16:57
willcookedesrt, you want tomorrow off?16:59
desrtyes please :)16:59
willcookenot trolling?16:59
desrtyou think i'd put a vacation day on the line for a troll?16:59
didrocksLaney: mine were the end of years holidays :)16:59
willcooke'cos if you cancel it in 10 mins..... ;)16:59
didrocksthanks willcooke :) paperworkstacktodo--17:00
desrtwillcooke: long story is that my mom is coming to town for her birthday tomorrow and we're going to proper british-style afternoon tea.  i forgot to book it off before just now.17:00
willcookewell, I'm convinced17:00
Laney(please be a troll)17:01
desrtLaney: you're getting the shakes from seb not being around :p17:01
desrtwillcooke: thanks :)17:02
* willcooke -> dinner17:05
Laneythat'll be it - I knew there was something17:06
didrocksEOD here! see you tomorrow guys17:07
LaneyGunnarHj: done, enjoy17:09
GunnarHjLaney: Many thanks on behalf of the Swedish LoCo. :)17:09
Laneyyou're welcome17:12
Laneyclimbing time, see you!17:12
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willcookeEOD - tata17:34
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desrtso anyone taking wagers on the big announcement today?17:59
desrt2 hours to go...18:00
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cyphermoxkenvandine: I got another quick fix for bluetooth in u-s-s :) https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/ubuntu-system-settings/fix-lp1355904/+merge/23487919:49
kenvandinecyphermox, thx19:52
kenvandinecyphermox, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/lp1365408/+merge/23476419:53
kenvandinethe CI failures aren't related, otto i think19:54
cyphermoxsure19:54
kenvandinethx, i can get them both in the same landing19:54

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