=== Laney is now known as Guest45203 === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [04:54] Good morning === e11bits is now known as laza === willcooke_ is now known as willcooke [07:10] tkamppeter, I've just emailed the printer guys from last week [07:11] morning willcooke [07:12] hey didrocks [07:13] * willcooke grumble grumble [07:13] early start again [07:13] I need more sleep :) [07:24] * didrocks does the first real pull requests review on a non small feature addition by a contributor on udtc! [07:25] \o/ [07:34] morning guys! [07:35] hey larsu [07:44] hey larsu [08:03] Guest45203 has arrived! === Guest45203 is now known as Laney [08:05] phew [08:06] hi Laney :) [08:07] hi Laney [08:07] morning Laney [08:07] morning chaps [08:07] how goes? [08:08] is good [08:08] good good [08:39] Sweetshark: Hi Björn, any chance that you can upload bug #1308771? You assigned yourself to it 3 months ago, so the sponsors seem to be disinclined to interfere. [08:39] bug 1308771 in libreoffice-dictionaries (Ubuntu) "Update Swedish spellcheck and hyphenation dictionaries" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1308771 === ochosi_ is now known as ochosi [08:53] didrocks, what do you think > >> We have a meeting on Friday with the Community team re: developer desktop, should we cancel the meeting today with Jorge? [08:53] willcooke: yeah, no need to ETOOMANYMEETINGS, and we have our catchup tomorrow anyway [08:53] :D [09:43] FJKong, happyaron, can you let me have an email with your updates for the meeting in before your EOD (unless you are coming to the meeting) [09:57] GunnarHj: Sorry, getting LibreOffice itself to 4.3 in utopic had priority. Will look into it today, note however I dont have any upload rights whatsoever anyway. [10:03] sil2100: ping about lp:~mitya57/appmenu-qt5/lp1362104 [10:09] mitya57: hey! On my radar, just being overwhelmed by landing team stuff - will look into it today I hope [10:09] mitya57: sorry about that [10:12] willcooke: you recently told me you updated my name in hr tools. Possibly as a sideeffect this broke my login on some hr-tools. The syncs there seem to be very fragile and cant seem to be able to decide if my first name only has a 'o' or an 'oe'. [10:12] "Some German Guy" [10:13] * ogra_ doesnt see an oe in Sweetshark [10:14] willcooke: and no Im not seeing ghosts, this is with creds from a pw-manager -- and it used to work yesterday morning, but not yesterday evening. still doesnt work with the stored combo today, but I accidentally found it working with the other account name. [10:15] ogra_: I really dont want to try to convince hr about that account name. ;) [10:15] hehe [10:19] hrm [10:21] Sweetshark: Well, upload help is what I'm asking for. pitti uploaded to Utopic in June, and jdstrand reviewed it 1+ month ago and was about to upload to Trusty, but raised a question which I addressed. [10:21] GunnarHj: sounds like you need a patch pilot :-) [10:22] willcooke: fwiw, hr says this is likely not coming from your change. Which may very well be, I have seen that before, but not yet in such a clean cut "works in the morning, failed later" with the same stored pw. [10:23] Laney: Right. Are you still in duty? [10:23] nope [10:23] :( [10:23] but give me the link again and I'll look in a bit [10:23] Good Guy Laney™ [10:24] Laney: bug #1308771 [10:24] bug 1308771 in libreoffice-dictionaries (Ubuntu) "Update Swedish spellcheck and hyphenation dictionaries" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1308771 [10:24] Laney: TIA [10:30] --build-dep-resolver=aptitude ♥ [10:37] Trevinho, lots of confirmations that the packages fix the issues, no much news regarding other issues I mentioned. When do you expect these to get SRUed? [10:59] willcooke, great, thanks. [11:14] sil2100: no problem, we still have some time before the release === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:11] marga: we've a SRU waiting for some tests, so I think we need to plan that for the next one... [12:11] marga: so, some weeks probably [12:11] marga: but I can see if we can speed up things [12:14] Trevinho, "some" = ? [12:14] Trevinho, three? six? ten? [12:14] well, considering that there are a lot of fixes to land, I guess it might be something like 5 [12:15] Trevinho, does your first comment mean that there will be a release between now and then that is higher than the current and doesn't include the fix? [12:15] marga: however I'm seeing if we can move that fix and others to the upcoming SRU instead [12:15] marga: yes, the SRU is mostly "ready", but waiting in a silo for being released... [12:15] Trevinho, I see. [12:16] ETA for that? [12:16] darkxst: commented on libmediaart MIR [12:17] darkxst: globally, +1 for me, but it would be nice to enable unit tests (they are disabled in debian/rules and no information in debian/changelog about why they are disabled) [12:17] marga: I can't say much about that, just guess... bregma knows more [12:18] Trevinho, do you have an isolated patch for the missing-prompt bug? [12:18] If the SRU comes without the fix, I could re-apply and re-build with the patch. [12:19] marga: yep, the fix itself is in https://code.launchpad.net/~andyrock/unity/fix-1308540 [12:19] marga: this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/single-lock-input instead has both the SRU and the fix [12:20] ok. === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [13:35] hrm. [13:35] I have a potentially v. important meeting @ the same time as our weekly [13:35] didrocks, would you mind being chair today? [13:55] Saviq: hey, why bug #1365408 ? [13:55] bug 1365408 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "Should ship a PNG icon instead of using the theme" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1365408 [13:55] it doesn't give a rationale [13:56] * desrt notes that the icon theme is cached [13:56] it does give problems with looking up symbolic icons [13:56] which is a good way to avoid calling stat() a whole lot [13:56] ...which is nice, since things that try to open one app icon for display have a tendency to follow that by opening _all_ app icons for display === greyback__ is now known as greyback [13:57] larsu, hi [13:57] renatu: nice nick [13:57] :D [13:57] larsu: he's in the imperative today [13:57] desrt: lol [13:57] renatu: waiting for Saviq to join [13:57] somebody took my "renato" [13:58] larsu, isnt he on vacation ? [13:58] ogra_: is he? He's online... [13:58] there was a mail ... [13:59] indeed. thanks ogra_ [13:59] desrt, renatu: not sure who we should talk to now. He didn't specify an "icons" contact :P [14:00] :D [14:00] the desktop file spec (at least in so far as glib implements it) already allows specifying an absolute path for icons, so there's no problem there [14:00] the only question is if this is actually a good idea or not, and i think the answer is 'no' [14:01] at least not if you plan for this to be the normal case in any way [14:01] desrt: even if you use that, there's no fallback [14:01] which we would need for the -symbolic case [14:01] or we could introduce X-SymbolicIcon [14:01] which is a bit ugly and would require i-messages to open the desktop file again (it uses appinfo right now) [14:02] i think rather you should have some mechanism for these sort of things to get automatically bailed out of apps (click packages or otherwise) to a common cache directory where an index can be built [14:02] desktop files, icons, whatever else [14:02] larsu: appinfo has an arbitrary-key query api now [14:02] g_desktop_app_info_get_string() [14:02] desrt: cool thanks [14:02] renatu: ^^ [14:03] desrt: this cache directory would be the theme? [14:03] one would certainly imagine wanting to structure it in precisely this way [14:03] larsu, remember that click package can not write outside his own dir [14:03] in order to reuse all of the existing logic [14:04] renatu: the click package wouldn't write, rather the installer would extract it [14:04] we're already doing that for desktop files, no? [14:04] gsettings schemas also come to mind [14:04] and gsettings schemas [14:04] ha, lag makes me look slow ;) [14:04] larsu: beer, etc. [14:04] yep [14:05] I hope the etc. involves more beer [14:05] the 'etc.' involves me not actually caring, but not wanting to be called on it myself :) [14:05] larsu, I do not know, how the installers works [14:06] desrt: I have the feeling this will be one of those fights not worth fighting...^^ [14:06] fine by me... just wanted to give my opinion: absolute icon paths may be bad for performance, and have trouble with dealing with symbolic icons [14:06] right, this is what they're stumbling across right now [14:07] it also doesn't allow overriding icons, which may be desireable in some cases [14:07] unlikely for apps [14:07] but yeah, maybe for the built-in ones?! [14:08] larsu, desrt, we should not have any .deb file in the future they want to move all apps to click packages [14:08] even the dialer, messaging and contacts [14:08] renatu: sounds like a bad idea to me.... [14:09] yeah I know [14:09] you want as much of the core OS as possible to be in the readonly system image [14:09] but this is the plan [14:09] not installed in the same way as add-on apps [14:09] and update the whole thing when an app changes? [14:09] larsu: yes [14:09] yeah I can see that [14:10] the only really sane thing to do is some sort of android-type hybrid scheme where the app lives in the core image but can get updates installed [14:10] which you hope won't happen too often [14:10] ie: maybe my android tablet now has 4 or 5 google apps with updates installed -- that doesn't include the dialer [14:11] right [14:12] renatu: I guess this is very urgent? [14:12] I can make indicator-messages read X-Ubuntu-SymbolicIcon, which would help for now [14:12] larsu, this will be nice [14:12] I think appending -symbolic is the wrong thing to do, because it doesn't have a fallback [14:13] adding an additional key which only indicator-messages knows about is a bit gross though [14:13] larsu, but we will keep the current behavior for themed icons? [14:13] I'll make a note on the bug [14:13] renatu: yes. This is only for file icons [14:13] ok nice [14:13] man, now you made me hate this again [14:14] kkk [14:14] larsu, btw I think this key should have priorities over everything [14:14] desrt: thanks for your input [14:14] renatu: it will [14:15] for example if you are using a themed icon but you specified a X-Ubuntu-SymbolicIcon it should use it [14:15] ok nice [14:15] thanks === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === gatox_ultra is now known as gatox [14:25] willcooke: oh, sure! === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox [14:29] thx didrocks - I'll forward you the notes from the others [14:33] yw [14:40] charles: hi, you approved my indicator-session MP, do you know why the CI/merge wasn't triggered? === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [15:15] Laney: Where did that Good Guy go? ;) [15:15] good guy? Seb? [15:16] larsu: Nah, it was Laney who claimed to be the one. :) [15:16] ah, I thought you were asking him for the good guy (excluding him) [15:16] right here, babes [15:17] I said "a bit", be patient a little longer please [15:18] Laney: Ok. === elopio_ is now known as elopio [15:30] Ok, seems it's this time of the week already! Meeting time! [15:30] thx didrocks [15:30] attente_, desrt, FJKong, Laney, larsu, quengho, Sweetshark, tkamppeter: meeting! I hope I didn't forget anybody. [15:30] bbiab [15:30] well, I'll be here, but PTP [15:30] OTP [15:30] no worry willcooke ;) [15:30] ha [15:31] everybody's all right? Will has a typical manager excuse to not chair this meeting (like another conflicting meeting and he likes the others more than us ;)) and seb128 is slac^W^W^W^Won vacations. [15:32] * desrt thinks didrocks doesn't know what ^W does [15:32] * larsu thinks didrocks meant ^H [15:33] (H) [15:33] didrocks: you're in charge, then? [15:33] trololololol [15:33] desrt: yep :) [15:33] didrocks: you're doing a bad job. [15:33] didrocks: get moving! [15:33] ahah, let's start then, attente_? [15:33] I should point out the obvious bias towards French people who are running this meeting [15:33] larsu: ya... will isn't fooling anyone with that british-sounding name of his... [15:34] that extra 'e' on the end is instantly suspect.... like the concorde [15:34] hey [15:34] desrt: 2/3 is already a bias.... [15:34] failed to fix sync issues between fcitx and u-s-d [15:34] so instead switched i-keyboard and u-s-d to use fcitx' current IME instead, and disabling per-window behaviour in i-keyboard, it's in the transition PPA [15:34] modifying the u-c-c region panel UI to use fcitx' per-window behaviour instead [15:34] (eof) [15:34] whip these rebels into line [15:34] *** willcooke is now known as willconcorde [15:34] thanks attente_ [15:34] desrt: instead of trolling, anything to share with us? ;) [15:35] didrocks: ya... i ended up fixing that inotify poll-every-4-seconds issue with desktop files === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [15:35] i also did a systemd-shim release, but found out that although the problem with cgroups is solved logind is not properly GCing the session [15:35] excellent! ready for utopic? [15:35] ya.. it's in the glib release that went out yesterday, in fact [15:35] great :) [15:36] am still working on the systemd-shim issues unfortunately... i figured out the root cause, but it's one of those things that every step i take to make us more correctly implement the systemd interface causes some other part of logind to increase its expectations [15:36] that's all, more or less [15:37] larsu, Laney: would appreciate some confirmation on the desktop polling fix [15:37] once it lands [15:37] i didn't follow the issue [15:37] sure [15:37] but okay, given a pointer [15:37] Laney: basically, if you have an app that accesses a desktop file, it will thereafter poll every 4 seconds [15:38] due to the fact that we expect /usr/local/share/applications to exist, and it doesn't [15:38] so it checks every 4 seconds to see if it was created (thanks inotify) [15:38] so now we have a workaround that monitors parent directories instead [15:38] desrt: I can't reproduce this on my system btw [15:38] larsu: got /usr/local/share/applications? [15:38] desrt: ya... [15:38] is your XDG_DATA_DIRS set to something else? [15:39] mystery solved then :) [15:39] oh wait. ya. [15:39] it won't happen if you have this, clearly :p [15:39] desrt: I read this wrong of course. I have dirs that are not in XDG_DATA_DIRS [15:39] whatevs, can deal with later [15:39] larsu: let's chat in detail after :) [15:39] ok, let's get larsu/Laney reproduce it with some unexisting folders and confirming the fix :) [15:39] (done) [15:39] let's move on [15:40] thanks desrt, great work :) [15:40] FJKong: your turn! [15:40] do some research on Nautilus about Searching and find gnome-search-tool is good tool for advance searching [15:40] reading source code of Nautilus [15:40] learn about type-ahead find and recursive search [15:40] analyze core dump of fcitx 100% problem [15:40] that'all I think [15:40] FJKong: what is your goal here? [15:40] FJKong: do you think you start to get a grip on the nautilus code? [15:41] I need to look the search of nautilus [15:42] because NUDT want to add some feature on it [15:42] if anyone have more experience, give me some help [15:42] desrt: basically, we try to check if we can bind nautilus for the Kylin version needs instead of them switching to another file manager and diverging from bare ubuntu [15:43] (as we stick with nautilus in ubuntu itself for the context) [15:43] they want to use nemo [15:43] more people upset with search functionality in nautilus? i can scarcely believe it... [15:43] FJKong: good luck :) [15:43] FJKong: if you need any help, you can ask on the channel generally [15:43] FJKong: and let me know if you need any help [15:43] we are quite some people having touched the nautilus code [15:43] <-- [15:44] that's very nice [15:44] * didrocks as well (even if it's only ubuntu patches) ;) [15:44] so yeah, do not hesitate! [15:44] who wrote our own search patch? [15:44] the one about restoring typeahead? [15:44] seems to be quite relevent... [15:44] desrt: I didn't touch the search, but other parts [15:44] desrt: and Kylin has other needs that only search [15:45] desrt: actually they want to add filter by date [15:45] we can talk about it offline anyway [15:45] FJKong: ugh. [15:45] now nautilus only support search by name [15:45] I am not sure why upstream doesn't support this [15:45] FJKong: let's talk about it after the meeting about the needs, seems like desrt is interested in the topic and that can takes time :) [15:45] thanks FJKong [15:46] k [15:46] thaks [15:46] Laney: anything to share even if you are back from holidays? [15:46] oh yeah some things [15:46] • v short week [15:46] • Upload gstreamer-bad merge, try to figure out how to upload to rtm [15:46] • Poke at dmb packageset script, make some updates for xubuntu [15:46] • Test and sync glib [15:46] • Review robert_ancell's PPA & hint to file FFe [15:46] • Package new wallpapers and upload (in NEW, hint hint) [15:46] • Review mvo's change to dh_girepository & upload it, run test rebuild in experimental, https://people.debian.org/~laney/gi-ma/ [15:46] • Review some FFes [15:46] • Patch pilot [15:46] ☯ [15:47] Laney: oh, planning to break gstreamer again on the phone? (j/k) ;) [15:47] there was never a first time :-) [15:47] * didrocks notes the NEW hint hint [15:47] * didrocks will exchange against a FFe later on :p [15:48] thanks Laney and welcome back! [15:48] ty [15:48] qengho: around? [15:48] Hey! [15:48] * im-progress: Releasing 37.0.2062.120. Tried switching to uptream-prefered compiler clang, but #security talked me into reverting to gcc. [15:49] * new flash pepper-plugin version. In stage ppa. [15:49] * todo: cr/mir testing. didn't do any last week. [15:49] EOF [15:49] "in-" [15:49] qengho: is it a lot more work to not compile with clang? [15:49] Laney, so busy:) [15:50] didrocks: not more work, just ripping out some gcc-4.9 dodges, but it requires a lot of testing. [15:50] didrocks: oh, I misunderstood your question. No additional work to keep gcc for now. [15:51] qengho: ok. If that begins to be an issue, I think we should have some vUDS session around it. I can see more and more project switching to clang [15:51] thanks qengho [15:51] next on the list is Sweetshark! [15:52] So sad that I didn't even have to say what package. :( [15:52] hah :D [15:53] hum, seems no Sweetshark… [15:53] Sweetshark: reminder about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice-dictionaries/+bug/1308771 btw, for SRU :) [15:53] Launchpad bug 1308771 in libreoffice-dictionaries (Ubuntu) "Update Swedish spellcheck and hyphenation dictionaries" [Medium,In progress] [15:54] tkamppeter: around or do you want me to paste your report in case you were not there? [15:55] let's paste tkamppeter's summary [15:55] - system-config-printer: Investigations on why the auto-download of [15:55] drivers stopped working. [15:55] - system-config-printer: Uploaded new GIT snapshot with many Python3 [15:55] transition fixes. [15:55] - OpenPrinting web site: Phone meeting with Jeff Licquia on updating the [15:55] server and fixing some problems. [15:55] - Bugs. [15:55] I have some from TheMuso as well: [15:55] * More research on Section 508, and found a couple of sites that give deacent summaries of what it is all about. http://www.accessibletech.com/dw/508explained.html - Focuses on web content and http://www.access-board.gov/guidelines-and-standards/communications-and-it/about-the-section-508-standards/guide-to-the-section-508-standards [15:55] * Research CVAA, and don't think it is relevant to us. Summary at http://www.coataccess.org/node/9776 and more info at https://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/2013/05/14/cvaa-series-cvaa-overview/ [15:55] * Finished iteration 1 of the a11y community wiki docs rewrite, only covered unity so far, still need to rewrite GNOME docs, so have removed them for now. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility [15:55] I am here, but you were faster. [15:56] :) [15:56] Some from Robert now: [15:56] Worked on: [15:56] - Released lightdm 1.11.9 [15:56] - Backported multi-seat, Mir container sessions to LightDM 1.10 [15:56] - Released simple-scan 3.13.92 [15:56] - Fixed FTBFS for empathy [15:56] - Bug triage, fixing [15:56] - Booked flights to the sprint [15:56] Currently working on: [15:56] - Preparing LightDM 1.10.2 release and SRU [15:56] - FFE for u-s-d/u-c-c changes [15:56] - Bug fixing for utopic release [15:56] Not blocked on anything. [15:57] * larsu feels left out [15:57] oh larsu! please share :) [15:57] larsu: no worry, still 2 to go then ;) [15:57] - themes: new evince uses a headerbar for its toolbar (thanks to seb). Theme that correctly and review sebs patches [15:57] - reviewed desrts gdesktopappinfo-polls-too-much patch [15:57] - discuss symbolic icons for click packages and make a preliminary patch for indicator-messages [15:57] - my uitk icon theme branch finally landed, so I could update and merge unity8 and ubuntu-system-settings patches that use the Icon instead of StatusIcon component [15:57] - that icon theme patch from last week was missing tests, started working on those [15:57] didrocks: right, I thought you were going by the initial ping order [15:57] eof [15:58] larsu: I was, but Laney posted work for 2 persons, so I skipped over you (reasonable excuse? :p) [15:58] haha, definitely [15:58] Laney: stop making us look bad! [15:58] dude [15:58] just use bullet points in tomboy [15:59] it makes anyone look good [15:59] * larsu install tomboy [15:59] larsu: enjoy your VM [15:59] nice work on the themes larsu :) [15:59] but -1 for installing tomboy :p [15:59] • breathed in [15:59] • breathed out [15:59] • slept a few times [15:59] • went to the pub [15:59] Laney: productive week! [15:59] SEE! [15:59] heh [15:59] the points are very professional! [16:00] * larsu is blown away [16:00] ok, on the list to paste, I have happyaron's one: [16:00] Laney: i'm concerned that you appear not to have showered or brushed your teeth... [16:00] 1. Reviewed and uploaded: [16:00] 1) indicator-china-weather [16:00] 2) UKSC [16:00] 3) unity-china-music-scope [16:00] 4) fcitx-qimapnel [16:00] 2. in progress: [16:00] didn't want to make you all look bad by overachieving [16:00] 1) fcitx-qimpanel: need to send removal request of fcitx-qimpanel-configtool [16:00] 2) Fcitx MIR: still waiting for new upstream release of fcitx, which [16:00] has included most of necessary changes for unity integration [16:00] 3) got upload permission of ubuntukylin-meta package, upload pending [16:00] 4) ubuntukylin-default-settings changes [16:00] 3. TBD: [16:00] 1) ubuntukylin-wallpapers: wait NUDT for the contest to finish [16:00] 2) youker-assistant: wait NUDT for new release [16:00] 3) wait for the mentioned release of chinese-calendar from NUDT [16:00] (this guy should use bullet points!) [16:01] k, finally mine (with last minute bullet points): [16:01] • Blog post on how to contribute to ubuntu developer tools center. Got quite a lot of great feedback, a bunch of bug reports/suggestions on github. Spending some time to handle and triage those. [16:01] • We got already one external contribution (readme fix!) and a bigger one (eclipse support) is coming from another awesome contributor! Spent some time tutoring/reviewing/giving examples. [16:01] • Implemented framework removal support (in trunk for now) [16:02] • Imlemented eclipse android (ADT) support to serve as an example (in a branch for now) [16:02] • Switch to certified docker images now that their server-side bug is fixed [16:02] • Some refactoring, cleanup and numerous additional tests (running daily) [16:02] • Minor bug fixes on reinstalling [16:02] • libmediaart MIR review. [16:02] • working with IS to be able to run medium tests on the CI DC. [16:02] • Next: file a FFe (one eclipse support and ADT are merged in) for next release in utopic and give that to kind Laney ;) [16:02] EOF [16:02] didrocks: your bullet points are, like, so amazing [16:02] larsu: i disagree [16:02] bullet points and periods at the ends of sentences don't mix. noob error. [16:02] larsu: yeah, I so copied them from… Laney ;) [16:02] anything else to share? [16:03] reminder: book your flights from next sprint if you didn't already [16:03] desrt: I ws talking about the bullet points only, not general typography. You probably also wouldn't say "no, because the shoes don't match" after I compliment someone's hair [16:04] this meeting has had a higher than average proportion devoted to trolling [16:04] i like it [16:04] no seb128... [16:04] ok, it seems nothing more than trolls in the air, time to wrap up, thanks everyone! [16:04] Laney: welcome back [16:04] willcooke: end of meeting (if you copy and paste to the NZ/Australia guys) [16:05] thx didrocks, all [16:06] thanks! [16:06] would it be a huge disaster for us if kylin just used nemo? [16:06] would it be more maintainership work or something? [16:07] desrt: ok we turn to file manager topic [16:07] because as it is i think a lot of these requirements (requests?) are going to generate huge deltas vs. upstream and result in more work anyway [16:07]