[00:36] <Chipaca> rsalveti: ping?
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Meizu-Confirms-MX4-Ubuntu-Touch-Release-for-December-2014-458782.shtml
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> finally some news :p
[04:55] <pitti> kgunn__: hey! did you figure out how to run AP tests with the new phablet/adb/password stuff?
[04:55] <pitti> kgunn__: I recently adjusted autopkgtest to work with that, so I think I mostly know what works and what doesn't now
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> you guys did great work!
[05:11] <Crusade> hello!  I'm curious about Ubuntu touch for the meizu  mx3
[05:12] <Crusade> does anyone have any information on it?
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> Crusade: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Meizu-Confirms-MX4-Ubuntu-Touch-Release-for-December-2014-458782.shtml
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> just spotted on the web
[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:38]  * tsdgeos sighs again
[07:38] <tsdgeos> ubuntu-calendar-app .pot is obviously outdated
[07:39] <tsdgeos> and i don't seem to be able to push to it
[08:32] <mardy> dpm: hi! So, I just closed bug 1368763
[08:33] <mardy> dpm: it turns out that my analysis was wrong: the Main.qml file is there; the reason why the plugin doesn't load is that the binary QML module "Evernote" cannot be found
[08:36] <Mirv> any core-dev to ack debian/* changes for CI Train landings https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-001-2-publish/27/ (signon & co) and https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-001-2-publish/27/ (ubuntu-app-launch getting cgmanager dependency back)?
[08:36] <Mirv> sorry, the latter link should have been https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-013-2-publish/3/
[08:39] <mardy> Mirv: hi! do I need to do something for silo 001, or is it all ready?
[08:41] <Mirv> mardy: we need that ^ some core-dev to ack packaging changes, otherwise it'd be ready. feel free to ping your friendly core-dev friend :)
[08:41] <mardy> Mirv: do I have any? That's the question... :-)
[08:42] <mardy> Laney: are you a core-dev? :-) ^
[08:43] <Mirv> yes he is
[08:44] <Laney> blurg?
[08:47] <Mirv> Laney: packaging acks for the debian/ changes under the .changes link of https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-001-2-publish/27/ (and if you feel like it, also https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-013-2-publish/3/)
[08:47] <Laney> Mirv: they look okay to me
[08:48] <Laney> (was already looking, that wasn't suspiciously fast)
[08:48] <Laney> (...)
[08:48] <Mirv> :)
[08:53] <mardy> Laney: unrelated question: from within a process I want to know the architecture (as defined in debian, such as "arm-linux-gnueabihf") of the current process. Should I just pass it as a preprocessor symbol when building the process, or is there another way to obtain it?
[08:54] <dpm> ah, thanks mardy, so what's the next step, do we need to fix something in the app, or in UOA... ?
[08:55] <mardy> dpm: sorry, I need to ask you to file another bug :-) UOA needs to export the right QML2_IMPORT_PATH before running the plugin code
[08:55] <mardy> dpm: I promise that this is the right bug :-)
[08:56] <mardy> dpm: I'm already on it, but it feels nicer if it's somebody else filing the bug
[08:59] <Laney> mardy: I can't right now think of a better way than passing it in at build time (via a configure flag or similar, or better as a pcfile variable in the package providing the information you need), since you need to depend on dpkg-dev to query it and you don't want to do that.
[08:59] <Laney> Could be that I don't know of a good way though
[08:59] <dpm> mardy, sure, bug 1369941
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Working Parents Day! :-D
[10:00] <nerochiaro> sergiusens: any idea why i get this failure when trying to setup a device to run AP tests ? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8356781/
[10:02] <Chipaca> JamesTait: ooh! does that mean i get the day off?
[10:06] <JamesTait> Doesn't seem like it, Chipaca. :(  Maybe we'll get cake.
[10:06] <Chipaca> JamesTait: around here that'll happen if i bake it :)
[10:08]  * Chipaca notes: 1½ cups srf, 1 cup sugar, mixed. In a cup: an egg, 2 tblsp butter/light veg oil, fill cup with milk. add to dry and beat well. into the oven.
[10:08] <JamesTait> Chipaca, sorry, you're baking cake?  What time shall I plan to get there? ;)
[10:09] <Chipaca> JamesTait: we can make a distributed cake event
[10:10]  * JamesTait thinks back to the London sprint a few years ago, and plotting to add a pizza target to our Makefile.
[10:10] <JamesTait> cd casa-de-chipaca && make cake
[10:17] <ev> pitti, bdmurray, Chipaca: davmor2 has the bug where whoopsie is generating a system identifier before it can talk to network-manager. This means that when he opens the system preferences page for error reports, it shows him none (because it's generating the identifier again, this time with n-m).
[10:17] <ev> any objections to making whoopsie start on started network-manager?
[10:18] <pitti> ev: NB that on servers we might not have NM, so it would never start there
[10:18] <Chipaca> ev: none from me
[10:18] <ev> pitti: yeah, if we grow support for servers we'll have to come up with a different plan
[10:19] <ev> but that's way down the road, as it'd require support in juju or landscape
[10:19] <pitti> this is again a case where we'd need "soft dependencies" in upstart, like systemd's Wants:, but I'm not aware of a direct equivalent
[10:19] <pitti> it's possible to emulate that with some tricks like wait-for-state
[10:21] <pitti> ev: i. e. don't add that dependency, but instead in the pre-start script you check if "status network-manager" succeeds, and if so, call wait-for-state, like in /etc/init/plymouth-shutdown.conf
[10:21] <pitti> so that it'll wait for NM if NM is installed, and don't change behaviour without
[10:21] <ev> oh neat, so start immediately unless network-manager is installed, in which case wait
[10:21] <ev> yup
[10:22] <pitti> ev: I didn't use wait-for-state myself yet, but I think the default arguments are quite sensible (i. e. much less complicated than in plymouth-shutdown)
[10:29] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I reviewed https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/gallery-app/desktop-i18n/+merge/234679 and added a couple of comments, it otherwise looks good to me, please ping me when you’ve addressed them, I’ll approve
[10:35] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: hey, i am looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtubuntu-camera/+bug/1358101 and it seems everyone thinks that for RTM the best solution is making tagger just give up the camera when it goes to the background. a more proper solution (like the ones we discussed) will be for later. I can do the work, I just need to know how you build the click for it so I can test my changes
[10:37] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: does it actually still work for me?
[10:38] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: for me it crashes when it tries to access the camera
[10:38] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: anyways, there's a run on device script
[10:38] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: i'll try that
[10:38] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: you actually said that already, i forgot
[10:39] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: check out -h
[10:40] <ev> pitti: does this look reasonable http://paste.ubuntu.com/8357005/ ?
[10:41] <pitti> ev: yes, it does; should be easy enough to test by shutting down both, starting whoopsie, and checking that it waits until you start NM?
[10:41] <ev> yeah, just need to install n-m :)
[10:41] <pitti> ev: oh, and I think you should move that down a bit after the other "should I run" tests
[10:41] <ev> good call
[11:03] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: pushed the changes you requested
[11:05] <nerochiaro> zbenjamin: is the "install developer tools" option supposed to work on the device now ? I get this in the log when I try: E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[11:05] <nerochiaro> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[11:05] <zbenjamin> nerochiaro: no
[11:05] <nerochiaro> zbenjamin: ok
[11:05] <zbenjamin> nerochiaro: we most likely will remove it soon
[11:05] <nerochiaro> that's a bit sad, but ok
[11:06] <zbenjamin> nerochiaro: yeah adb does not run as root anymore, so we cannot just apt-get install
[11:06] <zbenjamin> nerochiaro: so you sadly need to do it yourself :(
[11:06] <nerochiaro> zbenjamin: you can do the same with ssh
[11:06] <zbenjamin> nerochiaro: no root login on ssh
[11:06] <nerochiaro> zbenjamin: and i guess no sudo
[11:07] <zbenjamin> nerochiaro: not without typing in the password
[11:07] <nerochiaro> zbenjamin: right
[11:09] <ogra_> zbenjamin, there are ways to use sudo commands scripted via adb
[11:09] <zbenjamin> ogra_:  oh?
[11:09] <ogra_> you need the PW indeed
[11:09] <zbenjamin> ogra_: yeah, but the development on the device is really not what we support anymore anyway ;)
[11:10] <ogra_> ah, k
[11:10] <ogra_> zbenjamin, well, in case you need it http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phablet-tools/trunk/view/head:/phablet-config#L152 is the elegant way
[11:11] <ogra_> and: adb shell "echo $password|sudo -S <command>" is the ugly but quick way
[11:11] <ogra_> (the letter has the pw in the processlist, so people could read it with "ps")
[11:21] <nerochiaro> zbenjamin: do you know what it means when i try to install a click on the device and it says " Signature verification error: debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed"
[11:22] <ogra_> did you use the --allow-unsigned (or how it is called) option ?
[11:22] <nerochiaro> ogra_: ah no
[11:23] <nerochiaro> ogra_: --allow-untrusted
[11:23] <ogra_> ah, right
[11:23] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, more comments on your MR
[11:27] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i pretty much copy and pasted that stuff from the browser to be honest. i'll simplify and double check it builds out of source
[11:30] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, right, that’s what I thought, but copy/paste is not a good practice with cmake files, they get cluttered very quickly with stuff nobody remembers why it’s there in the first place, and maintenance becomes a nightmare
[11:30] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: judicious copy paste is fine. i wasn't very judicious ;)
[11:31] <oSoMoN> better get it right in the first place, and spare our future selves tedious maintenance
[11:31] <oSoMoN> :)
[11:31] <sergiusens> nerochiaro: add --distro and --series if on rtm
[11:31] <sergiusens> nerochiaro: I guess I can add that as an error message instead of the trace
[11:32] <nerochiaro> sergiusens: that would help, yes
[11:33] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: i get this when I build tagger on the device, create a click, install it, and then try to run the app from the shell: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8357308/
[11:34] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: and the app doesn't start
[11:34] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: yeah, that's what I said
[11:34] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: seems to happen on the packages from the store too since a couple of days
[11:34] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: also with Authenticator
[11:34] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: whenever they try to access the camera => boom
[11:35] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: but camera can do it fine. maybe something missing in the manifest ? apparmor stuff ?
[11:35] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: did something change there lately?
[11:35] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: I didn't get to debug it yet
[11:35] <jjohansen> nerochiaro: any denied messages from apparmor?
[11:35] <nerochiaro> jjohansen: how do we check ?
[11:36] <jjohansen> grep DENIED /var/log/syslog
[11:46] <sergiusens> mzanetti: he, I logged this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1370011
[11:46] <sergiusens> not sure you are aware of that
[11:49] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: should work now
[11:51] <nerochiaro> jjohansen: lots of stuff is being denied, but this is what is breaking us: Sep 16 11:24:06 ubuntu-phablet dbus[1802]: apparmor="DENIED" operation="dbus_method_call"  bus="session" path="/core/ubuntu/media/Service" interface="core.ubuntu.media.Service" member="CreateSession" mask="send" name="core.ubuntu.media.Service" pid=21732 profile="com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.tagger_ubuntu-sso_0.3.0" peer_pid=2531 peer_profile=
[11:51] <nerochiaro> "/usr/bin/media-hub-server"
[11:51] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: ^
[11:52] <mzanetti> ah.. interesting
[11:53] <jdstrand> I was going to report that
[11:54] <nerochiaro> jjohansen: is it something we can fix with the policy file ?
[11:54] <jdstrand> you need to add either the audio or video policygroup
[11:54] <jdstrand> nerochiaro: ^
[11:54] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: on an unrelated note, you might want to set up your LP project to track bugs
[11:55] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: true... I really didn't expect the app to get so much fame
[11:55] <jdstrand> (both allow connections to media-hub)
[11:56] <mzanetti> nerochiaro: done
[11:58] <jdstrand> I tried it just now by adding "audio" to /var/lib/apparmor/clicks/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.tagger_tagger_0.4.0.1.json then running 'sudo aa-clickhook -f' and it worked fine
[11:58] <jdstrand> no denials
[11:59] <mzanetti> awesome. thanks
[11:59] <jdstrand> np
[11:59] <mzanetti> ah... so seems the camera requires audio now?
[11:59] <nerochiaro> jdstrand: i fixed it in the json file then rebuilt the click and installed it, but with "video" instead of "audio". and i still get denied
[12:00] <jjohansen> mzanetti: that isn't really surprising and most cameras can record video
[12:00] <jjohansen> it would probably better to split it up more, but ...
[12:01] <nerochiaro> jdstrand: nevermind, i had to run the clickhook first
[12:01] <mzanetti> well... so far "camera" was enough to access the camera
[12:01] <nerochiaro> jdstrand: it works for me too
[12:01] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: "video" is enough to make it work
[12:01] <mzanetti> huh
[12:01] <mzanetti> now I am confused
[12:02] <mzanetti> what is "video" supposed to do?
[12:02] <mzanetti> I guess it implies "audio"
[12:06] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, not there yet, see my last comment on the MR
[12:07] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i don't understand. the build works both in and out of source tree. the .in.in is found and the .in.in.h is found
[12:07] <mardy> dpm: account created! \o/
[12:08] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, no, try changing a translated string in a qml file, and run make again, the template isn’t updated
[12:08] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: but why ? if it doesn't find the file is one thing, but it does find it. so why is it not picking up the strings ?
[12:09] <jdstrand> camera is for playing video, audio for playing audio, microphone for recording audio and camera for recording video
[12:09] <jdstrand> meh
[12:09] <jdstrand> video is for playing video
[12:09] <jdstrand> audio for playing audio
[12:09] <jdstrand> microphone for recording audio
[12:09] <jdstrand> camera for recording video
[12:09] <jdstrand> what happened is that media-hub is being used for a lot of things
[12:09] <jdstrand> tagger didn'
[12:10] <dpm> mardy, awesome!
[12:10] <jdstrand> t want the camera 'click' sound for a long time so it avoided the audio policy group
[12:10] <jdstrand> ie, mzanetti happily accepted the denial
[12:10] <jdstrand> however, the Qt libraries changed to used media-hub
[12:10] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, ${DESKTOP_FILE_IN_IN_H} is an absolute path, xgettext doesn’t understand that, so it silently fails
[12:11] <jdstrand> and apparently rather than exiting gracefully, they are crashing when not being able to connect to the media-hub
[12:11] <mzanetti> jdstrand: thanks you very much for this explanation :)
[12:12] <jdstrand> np
[12:12] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: bleh, what a piece of crap then. ok, i'll try with a -D and a relative path
[12:12] <mzanetti> so yeah... I'd still happily accept not having a click when taking pictures, given that the app never actually takes a picture
[12:12] <mzanetti> I'm not so happy about including permissions I don't need though...
[12:17] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: try now
[12:30] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, will try after lunch
[12:30] <jdstrand> nerochiaro: re having to rerun aa-clickhook> fyi, you will have to do the if the version of the click didn't change
[12:31] <nerochiaro> jdstrand: it didn't change as far as i could see
[12:31] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: thanks
[12:31] <jdstrand> nerochiaro: what do you mean?
[12:31] <jdstrand> nerochiaro: I though you said it started working?
[12:31] <nerochiaro> jdstrand: sorry, misread your comment. please ignore the last thing i said
[12:32] <jdstrand> well, it wasn't the greatest sentence :)
[12:37] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, have you actually tested your change? the pot file still doesn’t get updated in an out-of-source build here
[12:37] <ogra_> dpm, hey, how do i tag translation bugs ? seems someone decided it woudl eb a good thing to transleate "HERE" (whcih is a product name) so it is called HIER everywhere in my german install
[12:38] <dpm> ogra_, I'd file a bug against the project and then add a task for ubuntu-translations, and we'll assign that task to a translation team
[12:42] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it does here
[12:47] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok, nevermind, the .desktop gets updated but not the .po. but now i really don't understnad why. the path is a relative path and it's relative to the currnet build dir, where the file is
[12:48] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: are we sure we're supposed to update the .pot in out of source builds. i don't think it's the case
[12:48] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: an out of source build point is to not touch the source dir after all
[12:56] <Guest27761> salve, qualcuno parla italiano? vorrei sapere se uscirà questo smarphone di ubuntu
[13:05] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, that’s open to debate, why not?
[13:07] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, to try and understand what’s happening, you can run make with VERBOSE=1, you’ll see the actual commands issued by cmake
[13:07] <oSoMoN> I mean, by make
[13:07] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, assuming your point of not updating the pot file in an out-of-source build is valid, I’ll test again and approve if it works
[13:10] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: I usually run with VERBOSE=1 to understand where errors come from, but in this case I saw the .desktop being generated fine and the pot updated fine in-tree so I thought everything was ok
[13:11] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: what happens with other apps, do they update the pot even when out of source ?
[13:13] <Guest27761> Hi, SOMEONE Speak Italian ? Do you know if I WANT THIS smartphone will be released for ubuntu
[13:13] <alecu> Guest27761: what smartphone is that?
[13:14] <alecu> Guest27761: cuale smartphone?
[13:15] <nerochiaro> mzanetti: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/tagger/stop-camera-on-inactive/+merge/234811 << fix the apparmor problem and stops and restart the camera when going inactive or active
[13:17] <Guest27761> correct me, I want to know if you can buy a smartphone with OS ubuntu touch . course in Italy !
[13:17] <nerochiaro> bfiller: do you know if there's any final decision on whether or not notes-app will be a target for RTM ? last i heard it wasn't but not it's in the list of things to fix for RTM
[13:18] <bfiller> nerochiaro: notes-app will not be a target for RTM, the bugs there that need to be fixed are not critical but should be fixed
[13:19] <nerochiaro> bfiller: yes, but after the ones for RTM, right ?
[13:19] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, browser does, I don’t know about others
[13:19] <bfiller> nerochiaro: yes that is lower priority
[13:20] <nerochiaro> bfiller: understood
[13:20] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i personally would say it shouldn't but let's say it's optional, and just move on with gallery please
[13:20] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, yes
[13:20] <oSoMoN> agreed
[13:21] <nerochiaro> bfiller: also there was discussion about replacing it entirely with reminders. is that still a plan at some point in the future or it is not going to happen ?
[13:31] <bfiller> nerochiaro: yes it's going to happen, reminders needs local note support is the issue that needs to be addressed
[13:31] <bfiller> nerochiaro: there are other short term apps that are better than notes-app, like quick memo which might be used in the interim
[13:31] <nerochiaro> bfiller: ok
[13:31] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, approved
[13:35] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: thanks. bfiller https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/gallery-app/desktop-i18n/+merge/234679 is ready for silo
[13:43] <pitti> boiko, bfiller: ah, apparently I mis-remembered, I figure I always ran something like "make pot" manually
[13:43] <boiko> pitti: ok, np, so maybe having a well named rule is enough?
[13:44] <boiko> pitti: or having a dh_something for that?
[13:44] <pitti> boiko: if a simple "make" doesnt' build it, that additional rule could then be called in debian/rules
[13:44] <boiko> yep
[13:45] <pitti> boiko: dh_translations attempts to run "make -C po <domain>.pot"
[13:45] <pitti> if that works, that's fine as well
[13:51] <nerochiaro> sergiusens: earlier you suggested adding --distro and --series to phablet-test-run but it doesn't seem to have these options
[13:52] <ogra_> are you on the latest version ?
[13:53] <sergiusens> nerochiaro: update
[13:54] <oSoMoN> jodh, I’m looking at bug #1365492 that you reported a few days ago, I cannot reproduce on my device, is this something that you can observe reliably?
[13:54] <jodh> oSoMoN: that's because it's now fixed :)
[13:55] <oSoMoN> jodh, yeah, I saw the "fix released" status, but I was skeptical because nothing happened on this front recently in the browser, maybe a UITK update?
[13:55] <oSoMoN> jodh, anyway, if it’s fixed for you, I’ll stop worrying about it :)
[13:55] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: I get that from time to time too
[13:56] <oSoMoN> sergiusens, the bug, you mean?
[13:56] <jodh> oSoMoN: no idea, but it's fixed. I've put a comment on the bug.
[13:56] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: yes, sometimes after intense use, using the history bar (or whatever it's called) is just ignored
[13:57] <oSoMoN> sergiusens, would you mind filing another bug then? I can’t seem to re-open that one
[13:57] <sergiusens> ack
[14:15] <john-mcaleely> does anyone know if --bootstrap implies --wipe for u-d-f ?
[14:27] <john-mcaleely> sergiusens, ^ ?
[14:28] <sergiusens> john-mcaleely: it does
[14:29] <john-mcaleely> sergiusens, thank you
[14:29] <sergiusens> np
[14:30] <kenvandine> jgdx, i want to land the uitk api bump branch today, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/uitk_api_bump/+merge/234463
[14:30] <jgdx> kenvandine, sure
[14:31] <kenvandine> jgdx, seb128 and pat both tested it yesterday
[14:31] <kenvandine> no issues reported
[14:40] <jgdx> kenvandine, have any visuals or behaviour changed?
[14:40] <kenvandine> jgdx, not that i can tell :)
[14:40] <kenvandine> but maybe :-D
[14:41] <jgdx> kenvandine, what's the difference of this branch and the other I tested?
[14:41] <kenvandine> just merged latest trunk
[14:42] <kenvandine> which i think only touched the wifi plugin
[14:42] <kenvandine> tiny changes
[14:42] <jgdx> the check boxes have become laggier
[14:42] <jgdx> e.g. in language
[14:42] <kenvandine> like where?
[14:42] <kenvandine> i thought in general it felt snappier
[14:44] <jgdx> some binding loops in notifications
[14:44] <jgdx> not sure if they are new
[14:46] <kenvandine> jgdx, not new, i just verified on my rtm device
[14:46] <jgdx> great
[14:47] <jgdx> kenvandine, the ringer vol slider is most def snappier
[14:47] <jgdx> same for brightness
[14:47] <jgdx> golden, +1
[14:47] <kenvandine> woot
[15:24] <nik90> rsalveti: ping
[15:24] <nik90> rsalveti: (about emulator)
[15:26] <rsalveti> Chipaca: I think I got a ping from you yesterday
[15:26] <rsalveti> just saw that now, sorry
[15:26] <Chipaca> rsalveti: you did!
[15:26] <Chipaca> rsalveti: no worries.
[15:27] <rsalveti> nik90: pong
[15:27] <Chipaca> rsalveti: was wondering about the sound volume for messages
[15:27] <nik90> rsalveti: hey, I noticed an issue when running apps on the emulator for some time...after about 20 tries, I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/8357783/
[15:28] <nik90> rsalveti: I was told by zbenjamin that the sdk launcher is fine, the emulator may be at fault.
[15:28] <rsalveti> Chipaca: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1368827
[15:28] <rsalveti> Chipaca: inprogress
[15:28] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:28] <nik90> rsalveti: so my regular workflow is make some changes in qtc, and then run app on emulator. After about 15-20 cycles of that I get that error.
[15:28] <Chipaca> rsalveti: ah, ok
[15:28] <nik90> rsalveti: On rebooting the emulator, it starts working as expected.
[15:37] <HyburdzMC> Hi ?
[15:42] <rsalveti> nik90: right, that is part of a known issue we have in the emulator
[15:42] <rsalveti> nik90: it's not releasing the egl surfaces when closing the app
[15:42] <rsalveti> so after opening/closing a few times, it can't allocated any memory for the virtual gpu anymore
[15:42] <rsalveti> then you need to restart the emulator
[15:43] <nik90> ah
[15:55] <rsalveti> nik90: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/android/+bug/1319582
[16:17] <kenvandine> jgdx, if you have time, can you help test silo 1?
[16:18] <kenvandine> jgdx, nevermind... i'll just go through the whole test plan :)
[16:18] <jgdx> kenvandine, what line in the spreadsheet?
[16:18] <kenvandine> 76
[16:19] <jgdx> kenvandine, sure, but I need to flash first I think
[16:21] <bfiller> nerochiaro: seems one AP test is failing with your Share branch: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-click-autopilot-runner-mako/547/testReport/gallery_app.tests.test_photo_viewer/TestPhotoViewer/test_share_button/
[16:25] <kenvandine> jgdx, hmm... wifi hotspot is on the test plan but i don't see it, i guess it's still hidden
[16:25] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, should the wifi hotspot setting be showing?
[16:26] <jgdx> wasn't that wont'doed?
[16:27] <kenvandine> i know code landed for it, but i don't think it was working well
[16:27] <kenvandine> i don't recall
[16:27] <kenvandine> it ended up on the test plan though :)
[16:29] <jgdx> kenvandine, "connect ain't a dialog" is soonishly up for review (missing tests). Mind having a go at it when debs are built? https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/wifi-connect-is-not-dialog-fix-1366006/+merge/234842
[16:29] <kenvandine> jgdx, sure
[16:29] <jgdx> I need some guidance and input.
[16:29] <jgdx> thanks
[16:29] <tvoss> nik90, around?
[16:30] <tvoss> nik90, if so: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-002
[16:30] <nik90> tvoss: hi :-)
[16:30] <nik90> tvoss: yup Mirv told me about it. Do you need me to test it?
[16:30] <tvoss> nik90, yup
[16:30] <tvoss> nik90, would appreciate your feedback
[16:31] <nik90> tvoss: definitely. thnx
[16:31] <tvoss> nik90, thank you
[16:31] <nik90> tvoss: oh this is the error signal branch
[16:31] <tvoss> nik90, mail is fine for me
[16:31] <nik90> tvoss: Mirv pointed me at a AGPS branch involving HERE. Did that already land?
[16:32] <tvoss> nik90, mostly, yes
[16:32] <nik90> cool
[16:34] <jgdx> kenvandine, do you know what this is? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8358994/
[16:35] <kenvandine> oh... no i don't
[16:35] <kenvandine> must be from the changes to adbd
[16:35] <jgdx> aww
[16:35]  * jgdx upgrades and crosses fingers
[16:37] <kenvandine> damn... the location stuff in the test plan doesn't work for me... with or without this silo :/
[17:02] <dobey> did something change in online-accounts in rtm since friday? i'm having some trouble with testing purchases, and getting some oddness when it's trying to get the u1 account from online-accounts
[17:06] <dobey> huh, and having trouble flashing now
[17:06] <dobey> 2014/09/16 13:06:21 Cannot push /home/dobey/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/ubuntu-a7190e9e460a09f6756665cd2f3c09430be188ef2c46c79e23f21e9f4aaecc12.tar.xz.asc to device: free space on /cache/recovery is denied
[17:07] <dobey> i already rm'd the existing .tar.xz files in /cache/recovery on the device
[17:07] <dobey> so what does that error mean?
[17:11] <olli> any of the music app authors around
[17:11] <ahayzen_> olli, hey
[17:11] <olli> hey ahayzen_
[17:12] <ahayzen_> olli, i'm one of the music-app devs whats up?
[17:12] <olli> ahayzen_, we were reviewing bugs and would like to raise https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1365993 to critical
[17:12] <olli> I was able to set the content-hub portion to critical, but don't have privileges for Ubuntu Music app
[17:12] <ahayzen_> olli, ok i'll mark it such :)
[17:12] <olli> the commercial team was suggesting that this is important for RTM
[17:13] <olli> ahayzen_, thanks!
[17:13] <ahayzen_> olli, no problem, do we have a plan for how this will work yet? eg content-hub doing the extraction or music-app itself, i've seen some comments on that bug but nothing decisive?
[17:19] <olli> ahayzen_, I don't have any insight, just updating a bunch of bugs atm
[17:19] <olli> tvoss, ^ ?
[17:20] <ahayzen_> olli, ah no worries thanks
[17:21] <tvoss> ahayzen_, olli looking
[17:23] <tvoss> ahayzen_, olli jdstrand's suggestion makes total sense. Do you want me to reply on the bug report?
[17:25] <ahayzen_> tvoss, it looks like the best way... i assume music-app wouldn't have to have many changes as it would be in content-hub itself? ... note i'm working on adding multiple file import at the moment to our content-hub support
[17:26] <tvoss> ahayzen_, yup, the idea is to handle this in a way that is transparent to apps. Content Hub wouldn't do the extraction but delegate to a confined helper instead
[17:28] <ahayzen_> tvoss, ok that makes sense, you probably don't need to comment on the bug unless kenvandine requires any more clarification as well?
[17:29] <tvoss> ahayzen_, I think we are good, feel free to ping me at any time
[17:29] <ahayzen_> tvoss, thanks, i assume kenvandine will be working on the content-hub side?
[17:30] <tvoss> ahayzen_, yup, that should be correct
[17:30] <ahayzen_> tvoss, cool thanks for your help :)
[17:30] <tvoss> ahayzen_, yw :)
[17:32] <kenvandine> tvoss, we should add ubuntu-download-manager and browser-app to this bug right?
[17:32] <kenvandine> the special case for the headers needs to be in the browser
[17:32] <kenvandine> and udm needs the extract stuff
[17:32] <tvoss> kenvandine, yeah
[17:33]  * kenvandine adds
[17:36] <kenvandine> tvoss, i added and assigned the usual suspects for those components
[17:38] <tvoss> kenvandine, great, thank you
[17:38] <kenvandine> np
[17:44] <nik90> tvoss: I have touble adding the silo 002 ppa to my utopic devel-proposed phone,
[17:45] <tvoss> nik90, why is that?
[17:45] <nik90> tvoss: moving to ci-eng
[19:34] <mozzarella> guys
[19:36] <mozzarella> how can I try ubuntu phone
[19:42] <Kebabfish> mozzarella: by installing it on a phone or tablet (http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/)
[19:44] <mozzarella> Kebabfish: my phone is not supported
[19:44] <mozzarella> can I test it on the desktop?
[19:45] <mozzarella> through an emulator or something
[19:45] <Kebabfish> mozzarella: there is an emulator for the desktop
[19:45] <Kebabfish> but i never got it running
[19:45] <Kebabfish> so cant help you there :/
[19:51] <montamer> Hi guys, my device(Moto-G) is not supported by ubuntu touch. So i am trying to port it, but facing a kernel crash and need help.
[19:51] <montamer> log is at http://pastebin.com/vv0ajD3d
[19:51] <montamer> kernel is crashing after execution of /sbin/init
[19:52] <montamer> can someone help me understand bootup sequence?
[19:53] <Chipaca> pmcgowan: ping
[19:53] <Chipaca> mozzarella: try the emulator, it should work (tm)
[19:54] <pmcgowan> Chipaca, hey
[19:54] <Chipaca> pmcgowan: “There is a system setting to control this behavior when the phone is locked”
[19:54] <Chipaca> pmcgowan: but ... there isn't
[19:54] <Chipaca> pmcgowan: or i'm not seeing it :)
[19:54] <pmcgowan> ChickenCutlass, when locked show notifications
[19:54] <mozzarella> Chipaca: where can I find instructions
[19:54] <Chipaca> pmcgowan: not there
[19:55] <pmcgowan> Chipaca, sec & priv
[19:55] <pmcgowan> lock phone
[19:55] <Chipaca> pmcgowan: ah!
[19:55] <pmcgowan> when locked allow:
[19:55] <pmcgowan> aha
[19:55] <Chipaca> found it :)
[19:55] <pmcgowan> its bad no one can find it
[19:55] <Chipaca> pmcgowan: the "phone lockinbg" thing makes you think it's just a dropdown
[19:55] <Chipaca> or sth
[19:56] <Chipaca> i forget it has more opts
[19:56] <pmcgowan> ah yeah
[19:56] <dobey> mozzarella: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator
[19:56] <pmcgowan> > means new panel
[19:56] <pmcgowan> but when we add test there it fools folks
[19:56] <pmcgowan> text
[20:15] <Chipaca> mhall119: ^^^
[20:17] <mhall119> Chipaca: ?
[20:17] <Chipaca> mhall119: you do have that setting. it's hidden in plain sight. see pmcgowan's guide above.
[20:18] <mhall119> Chipaca: I have "Lock security" but that only lets me switch between swipe to unlock, passcode or passphrase, nothing about allowing notifications on the welcome screen
[20:19] <Chipaca> mhall119: where it says "lock phone       After 1 minute >"
[20:19] <mhall119> maybe something new has landed in utopic-proposed
[20:19] <Chipaca> mhall119: tap that
[20:19] <mhall119> Chipaca: it doesn't say that for me
[20:20] <Chipaca> mhall119: dude, r203 is so last week
[20:20] <mhall119> Chipaca: more like 3 weeks ago :(
[20:22] <Chipaca> mhall119: oooh... had we invented antialiasing back then? or is it still, like, fvwm95?
[20:22] <mhall119> Chipaca: anti-aliasing? Is that something you only get on terminals with more than 80 columns?
[20:23] <Chipaca> mhall119: i have no idea. I think it's something to do with compilers.
[20:23]  * mhall119 goes back to toggling register switches
[20:23] <pmcgowan> mhall119, may not be promoted yet for sure
[20:23] <Chipaca> mhall119: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliasing_(computing)
[20:24] <Chipaca> tvoss: ping
[20:24] <Chipaca> pmcgowan: i can't find the setting under which that is stored, have asked on list
[20:24] <tvoss> Chipaca, pong, still on my list, my machine died today and only recovering now
[20:24] <Chipaca> pmcgowan: but i have the nasty suspicion it is stored by scribbling on some paper and giving it to a chicken
[20:25] <pmcgowan> Chipaca, gee hope not
[20:25] <Chipaca> tvoss: my condolences. Do you get bereavement leave?
[20:25] <tvoss> Chipaca, for sure, my beloved x220 :/
[20:25] <tvoss> on the bright side: x240 rocks
[20:26] <Chipaca> tvoss: how's the keyboard on that?
[20:26] <tvoss> Chipaca, well, different but not bad
[20:26] <tvoss> full hd is awesome, though
[20:26] <Chipaca> good
[20:26] <Chipaca> heh. yeah. had that for four years now, dunno if i could go back
[20:27] <tvoss> the x220 screen was fine too, specifically the IPS variant
[20:27] <dobey> 4k for life
[20:28] <dobey> well, until 8k is reasonably priced
[20:28] <Chipaca> tvoss: backlit keyboard?
[20:28] <tvoss> Chipaca, yup
[20:28] <Chipaca> :)
[20:28] <tvoss> dobey, true
[20:29] <dobey> too bad my laptop isn't 4k though
[20:29] <tvoss> Chipaca, I have an external classic lenovo thinkpad keyboard, so I can cope
[20:33] <Chipaca> dobey: the 4k displays are on the "red glow-in-the-dark gaming laptop" market segment right now
[20:34] <dobey> Chipaca: well i'm not really in the market for a new laptop at the moment either
[20:35] <dobey> haven't even had this xps13 for a full year yet
[20:36] <tvoss> dobey, how do oyu like the xps13?
[20:37] <dobey> tvoss: the fact that it's about the same size as a 12" laptop is a huge +
[20:37] <tvoss> dobey, yeah, that's important to me, too
[20:38] <dobey> tvoss: i'm not a fan of trackpads, but finding any laptop that's not a lenovo without a trackpad is basically impossible
[20:38] <dobey> the one on the xps isn't too bad at least
[20:39] <dobey> what i *really* want is a 10" laptop with at least 1080p, happy hacking keyboard layout (or at least fully customizable keyboard), and nipple pointer
[20:39] <cm-t> hi, congrats for the new image !
[20:40] <tvoss> dobey, yeah ... same here. I never liked any laptop larger than 12"
[20:40] <cm-t> I am on mako, daily use, I report some bug sometimes, but I use as my main phone (doesn't have a 2nd phone or dual boot).
[20:40] <dobey> yeah, it's too bad my fujitsu laptop is poulsbo graphics
[20:40] <mhall119> tedg: how does URL dispatcher handle URLs matching multiple apps?
[20:40] <dobey> right now, what i really want though, is to have a working mako again on devel-proposed
[20:40] <cm-t> with the new rtm release, should i stay on devel channel or change to rtm?  (current devel is not quite stable, must reboot 3 time/day)
[20:41] <dobey> but ubuntu-device-flash has been sitting here for 40 minutes now, apparently doing nothing
[20:42] <dobey> maybe i chould ^C it, and try to flash android back on it, and then try to flash ubuntu again
[20:42] <mhall119> dobey: did you use --chanel ubuntu-rtm -b 0 ?
[20:42] <tedg> mhall119, Right now it chooses the "most precise definition", in the future (15.04) we'll have some sort of user interaction.
[20:42] <mhall119> IIRC, you need the -b 0 when switching channels
[20:43] <dobey> mhall119: what is -b 0?
[20:43] <mhall119> dobey: act as if you have build #0 installed
[20:43] <mozzarella> is the OS called ubuntu phone or ubuntu touch?
[20:43] <mhall119> so it forces a full image install from that channel
[20:43] <mhall119> mozzarella: it's called Ubuntu, technically
[20:43] <dobey> mozzarella: it's called ubuntu
[20:44] <dobey> mhall119: i don't see a -b in --help
[20:44] <mhall119> "touch" and "phone" are added when convenient to differentiate it from desktop
[20:44] <mozzarella> does it use systemd?
[20:44] <dobey> mhall119: i was currently trying --bootstrap whislt in the bootloader though
[20:44] <mhall119> dobey: ah, that's right, it's on system-image-cli on the device itself
[20:44] <mhall119> mozzarella: not yet but it will eventually
[20:44] <dobey> mhall119: anyway, i'm trying to flash devel-proposed
[20:45] <dobey> and i thought using ubuntu-device-flash always used the full image
[20:45] <mhall119> maybe it does
[20:46] <mozzarella> mhall119: why am I seeing "systemd-logind" then?
[20:47] <mhall119> mozzarella: because we use logind, which comes from systemd but can (for now, on Ubuntu) be run without systemd as the init system
[20:48] <dobey> ok, android flashing time
[20:49] <cm-t> to swithch from devel to rtm, i have to plug my device to an host pc and then ubuntu-flash-device --channel ubuntu-rtm -b 0 ?
[20:49] <cm-t>  @mako
[20:49] <dobey> or maybe not, it says "downloading..." in the bootloader again
[20:49] <mhall119> cm-t: -b 0 is only available on system-image-cli on the device, I was mistaken on that
[20:51] <iBelieve> Does anyone know how to install the new RTM image using MultiROM? I only see channels like utopic, devel, stable, trusty, etc. I don’t see ubuntu-rtm/14.09
[20:52] <cm-t> should I upgrade from the device itself? (didn't find yet how to do that) so I don't need to re install everything like apps, medias, contacts…
[20:52] <Tassadar> iBelieve: which device do you have?
[20:53] <iBelieve> Tassadar: I have a Nexus 7 (2013)
[20:53] <SturmFlut> The feeling when there are just two other people between me and Jono Bacon on LinkedIn
[20:54] <iBelieve> Tassadar: I see ubuntu-rtm/14.09 in the official dual boot app, which I used to use before I switched to MultiROM
[20:54] <Tassadar> iBelieve: enable "Show hidden channels" in the settings
[20:54] <Tassadar> I'm not sure why the app thinks it is hidden...it shouldn't be
[20:54] <Tassadar> probably bug
[20:54] <Tassadar> oh, no
[20:55] <Tassadar> actually, 14.09-proposed is really hidden and no other chanel is visible because they don't have any images in them
[20:55] <Tassadar> so it behaves as intended
[20:56] <iBelieve> Tassadar: so there aren’t any images in 14.09?
[20:56] <Tassadar> not yet
[20:57] <Tassadar> there are probably some blocker bugs still
[20:57] <iBelieve> Tassadar: I noticed the landing email only mentioned krillin and mako, not flo at all
[20:58] <Tassadar> oh yeah, mako has one, flo has not
[20:58] <Tassadar> I don't know why, I'm not working on it
[20:58] <iBelieve> Tassadar: thanks for your help in debugging that. I look forward to a promotion for flo :)
[20:59] <Tassadar> hmm, and the image 14.09 has separete versioning from -proposed
[20:59] <Tassadar> interesting
[20:59] <iBelieve> Tassadar: and great work with MultiROM!
[21:00] <dobey> cm-t: you can't switch channels on the device itself, i don't think
[21:00] <Tassadar> iBelieve: thanks
[21:03] <Tassadar> that reminds me, I can enable the 14.09 channel on tasemnice now
[21:08] <montamer> can someone help me understand bootup sequence?
[21:23] <cm-t> dobey: ok, I will flash it, but I have a sort of problem…
[21:24] <cm-t> I am trying to backup my contacts with syncevolution using this howto http://askubuntu.com/questions/365675/backup-export-contacts-from-ubuntu-touch-official-launch-r100-ubuntu-13-10-a
[21:24] <cm-t> but I have an error message about X11  ???
[21:25] <cm-t>  [ERROR] creating source registry: Cannot autolaunch D-Bus without X11 $DISPLAY
[21:25] <cm-t> [ERROR] creating source registry: Cannot autolaunch D-Bus without X11 $DISPLAY
[21:25] <cm-t> sorry double
[21:46] <cm-t> working without sudo…
[22:23] <boiko> awe: hey, about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dialer-app/+bug/1369774
[22:24] <boiko> awe: do you know what we need to do on dialer-app's side to take the phone out of flight mode?
[22:25] <awe> boiko, this would involve disabling FlightMode via urfkill
[22:26] <boiko> awe: any pointers of documentation/sample code I could use?
[22:27] <boiko> awe: also, should that be disabled automatically or should we prompt the user with a message? (I guess the first as it is emergency)
[22:31] <cm-t> wow ubuntu-rtm/14.09 not working on mako→ I can see the language select screen, I can't have interaction (selecting the language) because the screen goes black(but can see backlight)
[22:32] <cm-t> after 10 seconde or so, i see the 'plymouth' cof, and I see the Hi screen again to select langiage
[22:33] <cm-t> and this time i try to just puch continu even if its not my language, same
[22:33] <cm-t> it keep rebooting
[22:35] <cm-t> after rebooting, same behavior
[22:35] <cm-t> sad :/
[22:36] <cm-t> ah! I just pushed "continue" with succes, next stap, no crash yet
[22:41] <cm-t> ( after 1 or 2 relaunch itself, succes, now rebooting to apply new language)
[22:41] <cm-t> please tell me where to report this bug: can't select la,guage on fisrt launch setting boot settings
[22:42] <cm-t> please tell me where to report this bug: "can't select language on fisrt launch setting boot settings"
[22:42] <cm-t> not sure what package is it
[23:00] <mozzarella> http://i.imgur.com/N69zvN5.png
[23:00] <mozzarella> what am I supposed to do with that?
[23:06] <Chipaca> mozzarella: what do you mean?
[23:06] <mozzarella> nevermind, it was just extremely slow
[23:07] <Chipaca> mozzarella: you are using the x86 emulator, yes?
[23:07] <mozzarella> yes, inside a virtual machine (virtualbox)
[23:07] <Chipaca> hah
[23:07] <mozzarella> because I'm not using ubuntu on my desktop
[23:08] <mozzarella> do you know how I can install the emulator on fedora?
[23:08] <Chipaca> mozzarella: no idea, sorry
[23:08] <mozzarella> =/
[23:31] <pdxwebdev> ok. So..... using devel-proposed instead of devel allowed me to build-dep ubuntu-system-settings without causing lightdm to fail
[23:32] <pdxwebdev> ...on boot
[23:32] <pdxwebdev> I wish I could get my 5 days back. lol