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| mrgoodcat | morning | 13:03 |
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| cmaloney | morning | 13:26 |
| rick_h_ | dammit, I'm just going to stop talking today. I swear someone wants to jump out and disagree with everything I say today. | 14:01 |
| rick_h_ | and morning | 14:01 |
| rick_h_ | and bah humbug | 14:01 |
| * rick_h_ is sick of stupid people | 14:01 | |
| cmaloney | no they're not. :) | 14:01 |
| cmaloney | and yes, I am messing with you. :) | 14:01 |
| cmaloney | work-related foo? | 14:01 |
| rick_h_ | inside work, outside of work | 14:02 |
| rick_h_ | everywhere | 14:02 |
| cmaloney | ugh | 14:02 |
| jrwren_ | rick_h_: :) <3 U | 14:02 |
| cmaloney | Anything we can do to help? | 14:02 |
| jrwren_ | rick_h_: want to have a vent session? | 14:03 |
| rick_h_ | no, not unless you're taking up assassination as a hobby | 14:03 |
| rick_h_ | wtf, I should have know having an opinion would get me into trouble. | 14:03 |
| rick_h_ | "+Rick Harding You've determined that the Moto X is better than an unannounced phone?" | 14:03 |
| rick_h_ | bah! who writes that and doesn't go "hehehehe I'm going to be trollish today damn straight" | 14:03 |
| jrwren_ | rick_h_: some of us are natural trolls, even though we don't mean to be. | 14:04 |
| cmaloney | Someone who apparently has a lot invested in said unannounced phone? | 14:04 |
| rick_h_ | so OF COURSE I find the need to reply | 14:04 |
| jrwren_ | ifon7! | 14:04 |
| rick_h_ | which just draws out 50 other trolls from their hidey-holes | 14:04 |
| cmaloney | Ah, the Correctus Maximus variant of the troll | 14:05 |
| cmaloney | the common troll | 14:05 |
| rick_h_ | and of course I was a moron and had to go with the "everyone understands an analogy" | 14:05 |
| rick_h_ | which just brings out the analogy police | 14:05 |
| cmaloney | Oh fuck | 14:05 |
| cmaloney | The Automobilus Computerus | 14:05 |
| cmaloney | Bah, where is my latin. Automobilis Computerus. ;) | 14:06 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 14:07 |
| rick_h_ | anyway, hope everyone else is having a wonderful tues. | 14:09 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: So which phone were you comparing to the MotoX? | 14:09 |
| cmaloney | So far so good | 14:09 |
| cmaloney | Chasing strange errors. | 14:09 |
| rick_h_ | and jrwren_, let the record show I'm can be a merciful lead and not using a giant stick to say 'jfdi' no matter how much I want to :) | 14:09 |
| rick_h_ | cmaloney: one of the guys from work is asking about motox (new one) vs waiting for nexus 6 | 14:09 |
| jrwren_ | rick_h_: you are a good leader. | 14:09 |
| rick_h_ | I said why I loved my motox | 14:09 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren_: uros convinced me not to, so make him the nice and good one | 14:10 |
| rick_h_ | cmaloney: which makes me a bad guy to all the 'nexus or die!' purists | 14:10 |
| jrwren_ | rick_h_: also, that is not a good kind of leadership, its harder, but MUCH more effective to figure out a way to convince people rather than telling them. | 14:10 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren_: +1 | 14:10 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren_: but some people have stone blocks for heads that can only be split with much force | 14:11 |
| jrwren_ | I watched a manager continually errode any confidence his team had in him by doing that too much. | 14:11 |
| jrwren_ | rick_h_: I totally agree. its HARD. | 14:11 |
| rick_h_ | all good, my coffee intake is complete, the day can only go up from here | 14:11 |
| jrwren_ | rick_h_: especially since we are techie nerd types too and so we tend to argue the same ways, which are rarely effective in actually changing peoples minds. | 14:11 |
| rick_h_ | well, it's tough when we think different things because we internally just value different ideas | 14:12 |
| rick_h_ | so you have to change their values to get an agreement vs just convincing them of something | 14:12 |
| jrwren_ | rick_h_: sometimes spelling out those values can help and specifically stating what you do not value on a current point can help. | 14:12 |
| cmaloney | Thing is you've proven that the MotoX meets your needs | 14:12 |
| rick_h_ | cmaloney: yes, which is all I'm saying, and that a nexus 5 does not and I do not believe the nexus 6 will as well. | 14:13 |
| rick_h_ | but it's all realtive to what fits the owner's needs | 14:13 |
| cmaloney | I don't see that as being a problem. | 14:13 |
| jrwren_ | haha.. this is about android stuffs? well forget it, who wants to use that junk :) | 14:13 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren_: :P I know, it won't even work with the unreleased apple watch. i mean, how quaint. Might as well be a leap pad | 14:13 |
| jrwren_ | wait... was that someones arguments? | 14:13 |
| cmaloney | jrwren_: I'm just tickled pink that Microsoft spent $400 mil to have the NFL use the Surface and the announcers call them "iPads" | 14:14 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren_: no, that's me being a cranky snark :) | 14:14 |
| jrwren_ | rick_h_: ah! awesome! | 14:14 |
| rick_h_ | ok, question, my brain isn't going yet this morning | 14:17 |
| rick_h_ | I've got a box that has a bridged network, so it's on my local network on one end, and on a different netowrk on the other | 14:17 |
| rick_h_ | I want to, from another machine on my local network, tunnel through that magic box (let's just call it orange) so I can load up web pages on that internal network | 14:18 |
| rick_h_ | it's not a real ssh tunnel, since the endpoint isn't on the gateway box, but something where I reach through it | 14:18 |
| jrwren_ | rick_h_: bridged network means they are on the same L2 network, usually the same L3, since DHCP will assign addresses on that L2. | 14:19 |
| jrwren_ | rick_h_: ssh -L8080:ipbehindtheorange:80 orangebox | 14:21 |
| dzho | rick_h_: yeah, when you say bridged, is it a dual-homed box, with one interface bridged to the different network on one interface? | 14:21 |
| jrwren_ | rick_h_: then you can curl localhost:8080 and it goes to ipbehindtheorange:80 | 14:21 |
| rick_h_ | dzho: jrwren_ ah true | 14:21 |
| * dzho defers to jrwren_ on this. Even after reading the ssh man page careful on port forwarding I inevitably get it wrong the first time. | 14:22 | |
| cmaloney | Man I love tmux | 15:01 |
| cmaloney | Just had to throw that out there. :) | 15:01 |
| jrwren_ | what specifically? | 15:01 |
| dzho | cmaloney: yes, what about it in particular inspires you to wax lyrical about it today? | 15:03 |
| dzho | oddly enough I was inspired to check the state of my tmux'ing on various of my commonly-used systems by what I thought was a poor answer to a question in #tmux | 15:04 |
| dzho | cmaloney: also, which keybindings, vi or emacs? | 15:04 |
| cmaloney | dzho: I used my IRC script to reconnect to a session that was already open | 15:04 |
| cmaloney | dzho: I haven't played with the tmux bindings | 15:05 |
| dzho | so, emacs? | 15:05 |
| cmaloney | I think so | 15:05 |
| cmaloney | How do I check? | 15:05 |
| * dzho finds emacs key bindings in non-emacs things funny, since they represent halting steps towards Just Do Everything In Emacs. | 15:05 | |
| dzho | cmaloney: I think emacs is the default. it is on my ubuntu systems at least. | 15:06 |
| dzho | what I specifically have in mind today is what keys you use to copypasta amongst tmux windows | 15:06 |
| dzho | (if, in fact, you do) | 15:06 |
| dzho | or tmux panes or whatever | 15:06 |
| * dzho is still most hung up on the added complexity of panes+windows in tmux vs just windows in screen | 15:07 | |
| cmaloney | I have mine set to vi mode. | 15:08 |
| cmaloney | I<3 windows in tmux | 15:08 |
| cmaloney | The only thing I wish I had was ^B-[hjkl] for moving to different windows | 15:09 |
| cmaloney | Hah, found one. :) | 15:11 |
| mrgoodcat | screen does panes and windows i thought | 15:12 |
| cmaloney | I think it does, but tmux is better about imho | 15:14 |
| jrwren_ | dzho: how to vi keybindings work in tmux? | 15:17 |
| dzho | jrwren_: I'm a bad one to ask--I only know its an option from the man page. I'm not one to mess with defaults if I can help it. | 15:25 |
| dzho | mrgoodcat: screen has split screens, but I don't think there's a concept of panes as such. | 15:26 |
| jrwren_ | dzho: same here. I pretty much use defaults everywhere. | 15:26 |
| dzho | yeah, a search on "pane" in the screen man page turns up zilch | 15:26 |
| jrwren_ | what about split? | 15:32 |
| mrgoodcat | dzho: ah yea i seem to remember that | 16:36 |
| cmaloney | Afternoon and all that | 16:47 |
| wolfger | jazz. You forgot the word jazz. :-) | 16:48 |
| greg-g | gah, now that song (the mulan rouge version) is in my head | 16:58 |
| wolfger | Well you should at least replace that with the Chicago version | 17:07 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, totally. :-p | 17:21 |
| rick_h_ | 'there was a boy....a very...' | 17:21 |
| rick_h_ | <3 | 17:21 |
| rick_h_ | bah /me so so angry now http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-wont-be-getting-developer-edition-moto-x-2014 | 17:58 |
| bookiebot | http://goo.gl/W74sfu - Verizon won't be getting a developer edition for Moto X in 2014 | Android Central | 17:58 |
| cmaloney | Verizon: We don't care. | 18:04 |
| rick_h_ | done | 18:04 |
| cmaloney | ? | 18:05 |
| rick_h_ | getting it sans verizon and will cancel verizon and move to tmobile | 18:05 |
| cmaloney | At least they'll have GSM instead of CDMA | 18:05 |
| brousch_ | We don't have to | 18:05 |
| cmaloney | Which I think is more important for you with travel and whatnot | 18:06 |
| greg-g | yeah, the one bad part of Ting for me | 18:06 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I won't do any more cdma stuff | 18:07 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: yeah, me too | 18:07 |
| rick_h_ | and this is why I <3 google voice | 18:08 |
| wolfger | I think t-mobile is probably the best local carrier for anybody who travels abroad | 18:08 |
| wolfger | and +1 on the Google Voice love | 18:08 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I've thought about hte switch for years but love my verizon 4g and could get my phones unlocked and just pay for the privilage | 18:08 |
| rick_h_ | but if they're going to mess up the unlocked phone side I'll move along | 18:09 |
| brousch_ | tmobile the best at something? | 18:09 |
| jrwren_ | I'm planning to not have a phone when I travel. | 18:10 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren_: all good, hangout with me | 18:10 |
| jrwren_ | rick_h_: OK, I WILL! :) | 18:11 |
| rick_h_ | it's so vital from on the fly travel schedules, yelp for local food that's good, hours of places you want to go, maps to find the way | 18:11 |
| rick_h_ | it's amazing to think that people traveled abroad without one | 18:11 |
| jrwren_ | oh, I'll have a phone, It will just be wifi only. | 18:11 |
| rick_h_ | yea, but that's :/ | 18:11 |
| jrwren_ | so I'm told. | 18:12 |
| rick_h_ | in the hotel it's like a tech conference, the wifi is usually crap unless you're in the canonical sprint stuff | 18:12 |
| rick_h_ | there you'll be golden, but the rooms lock up at night | 18:12 |
| jrwren_ | I'll find all the breweries with free wifi :) | 18:12 |
| brousch_ | Why is tmobile better than ATT? | 18:12 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 18:12 |
| rick_h_ | brousch_: because I had ATT before verizon (they were so bad I willingly WENT to verizon) | 18:12 |
| aisrael | jrwren_: I heard you can get a prepaid sim, and re-charge it in atm's overseas. Might be worth looking into. | 18:12 |
| rick_h_ | aisrael: yea, depends on the place. | 18:13 |
| rick_h_ | brousch_: but tmobile has non-fast, but free international data | 18:13 |
| brousch_ | ah | 18:13 |
| rick_h_ | brousch_: so should help me use my phone to local the nearest hspa+ dealer :) | 18:13 |
| rick_h_ | brousch_: and they're less evil | 18:13 |
| rick_h_ | and the wifi calling stuff would be cool | 18:13 |
| rick_h_ | anyway, phone ordered, will have to work on the carrier move when it arrives | 18:14 |
| brousch_ | You use verizon. You clearly don't care about using evil phone companies | 18:14 |
| rick_h_ | brousch_: not when I can still get my phone I want, unlocked the way I want, and use the phones/devices the way I want | 18:14 |
| rick_h_ | I pay extra for it sure, but it's not been blocked until this go round | 18:14 |
| widox | rick_h_: how is it blocked? did I misread that article? | 18:15 |
| rick_h_ | widox: you cannot get one that has verizon 4g freq | 18:16 |
| rick_h_ | widox: and it's not carrier backed/etc. | 18:17 |
| jrwren_ | aisrael: experimenting with unteathering from familY :) | 18:17 |
| aisrael | heh | 18:17 |
| rick_h_ | oh wtf, the time researching carrier plans the phone's out of stock now?! | 18:17 |
| rick_h_ | by the time I built it, enter my info, and hit the buy button it's gone | 18:17 |
| widox | rick_h_: ooh. that blows :-/ | 18:17 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: Man that sucks | 18:33 |
| cmaloney | Evening. :) | 23:54 |
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