=== Guest1001 is now known as akelling [13:03] morning [13:26] morning [14:01] dammit, I'm just going to stop talking today. I swear someone wants to jump out and disagree with everything I say today. [14:01] and morning [14:01] and bah humbug [14:01] * rick_h_ is sick of stupid people [14:01] no they're not. :) [14:01] and yes, I am messing with you. :) [14:01] work-related foo? [14:02] inside work, outside of work [14:02] everywhere [14:02] ugh [14:02] rick_h_: :) <3 U [14:02] Anything we can do to help? [14:03] rick_h_: want to have a vent session? [14:03] no, not unless you're taking up assassination as a hobby [14:03] wtf, I should have know having an opinion would get me into trouble. [14:03] "+Rick Harding You've determined that the Moto X is better than an unannounced phone?" [14:03] bah! who writes that and doesn't go "hehehehe I'm going to be trollish today damn straight" [14:04] rick_h_: some of us are natural trolls, even though we don't mean to be. [14:04] Someone who apparently has a lot invested in said unannounced phone? [14:04] so OF COURSE I find the need to reply [14:04] ifon7! [14:04] which just draws out 50 other trolls from their hidey-holes [14:05] Ah, the Correctus Maximus variant of the troll [14:05] the common troll [14:05] and of course I was a moron and had to go with the "everyone understands an analogy" [14:05] which just brings out the analogy police [14:05] Oh fuck [14:05] The Automobilus Computerus [14:06] Bah, where is my latin. Automobilis Computerus. ;) [14:07] lol [14:09] anyway, hope everyone else is having a wonderful tues. [14:09] rick_h_: So which phone were you comparing to the MotoX? [14:09] So far so good [14:09] Chasing strange errors. [14:09] and jrwren_, let the record show I'm can be a merciful lead and not using a giant stick to say 'jfdi' no matter how much I want to :) [14:09] cmaloney: one of the guys from work is asking about motox (new one) vs waiting for nexus 6 [14:09] rick_h_: you are a good leader. [14:09] I said why I loved my motox [14:10] jrwren_: uros convinced me not to, so make him the nice and good one [14:10] cmaloney: which makes me a bad guy to all the 'nexus or die!' purists [14:10] rick_h_: also, that is not a good kind of leadership, its harder, but MUCH more effective to figure out a way to convince people rather than telling them. [14:10] jrwren_: +1 [14:11] jrwren_: but some people have stone blocks for heads that can only be split with much force [14:11] I watched a manager continually errode any confidence his team had in him by doing that too much. [14:11] rick_h_: I totally agree. its HARD. [14:11] all good, my coffee intake is complete, the day can only go up from here [14:11] rick_h_: especially since we are techie nerd types too and so we tend to argue the same ways, which are rarely effective in actually changing peoples minds. [14:12] well, it's tough when we think different things because we internally just value different ideas [14:12] so you have to change their values to get an agreement vs just convincing them of something [14:12] rick_h_: sometimes spelling out those values can help and specifically stating what you do not value on a current point can help. [14:12] Thing is you've proven that the MotoX meets your needs [14:13] cmaloney: yes, which is all I'm saying, and that a nexus 5 does not and I do not believe the nexus 6 will as well. [14:13] but it's all realtive to what fits the owner's needs [14:13] I don't see that as being a problem. [14:13] haha.. this is about android stuffs? well forget it, who wants to use that junk :) [14:13] jrwren_: :P I know, it won't even work with the unreleased apple watch. i mean, how quaint. Might as well be a leap pad [14:13] wait... was that someones arguments? [14:14] jrwren_: I'm just tickled pink that Microsoft spent $400 mil to have the NFL use the Surface and the announcers call them "iPads" [14:14] jrwren_: no, that's me being a cranky snark :) [14:14] rick_h_: ah! awesome! [14:17] ok, question, my brain isn't going yet this morning [14:17] I've got a box that has a bridged network, so it's on my local network on one end, and on a different netowrk on the other [14:18] I want to, from another machine on my local network, tunnel through that magic box (let's just call it orange) so I can load up web pages on that internal network [14:18] it's not a real ssh tunnel, since the endpoint isn't on the gateway box, but something where I reach through it [14:19] rick_h_: bridged network means they are on the same L2 network, usually the same L3, since DHCP will assign addresses on that L2. [14:21] rick_h_: ssh -L8080:ipbehindtheorange:80 orangebox [14:21] rick_h_: yeah, when you say bridged, is it a dual-homed box, with one interface bridged to the different network on one interface? [14:21] rick_h_: then you can curl localhost:8080 and it goes to ipbehindtheorange:80 [14:21] dzho: jrwren_ ah true [14:22] * dzho defers to jrwren_ on this. Even after reading the ssh man page careful on port forwarding I inevitably get it wrong the first time. [15:01] Man I love tmux [15:01] Just had to throw that out there. :) [15:01] what specifically? [15:03] cmaloney: yes, what about it in particular inspires you to wax lyrical about it today? [15:04] oddly enough I was inspired to check the state of my tmux'ing on various of my commonly-used systems by what I thought was a poor answer to a question in #tmux [15:04] cmaloney: also, which keybindings, vi or emacs? [15:04] dzho: I used my IRC script to reconnect to a session that was already open [15:05] dzho: I haven't played with the tmux bindings [15:05] so, emacs? [15:05] I think so [15:05] How do I check? [15:05] * dzho finds emacs key bindings in non-emacs things funny, since they represent halting steps towards Just Do Everything In Emacs. [15:06] cmaloney: I think emacs is the default. it is on my ubuntu systems at least. [15:06] what I specifically have in mind today is what keys you use to copypasta amongst tmux windows [15:06] (if, in fact, you do) [15:06] or tmux panes or whatever [15:07] * dzho is still most hung up on the added complexity of panes+windows in tmux vs just windows in screen [15:08] I have mine set to vi mode. [15:08] I<3 windows in tmux [15:09] The only thing I wish I had was ^B-[hjkl] for moving to different windows [15:11] Hah, found one. :) [15:12] screen does panes and windows i thought [15:14] I think it does, but tmux is better about imho [15:17] dzho: how to vi keybindings work in tmux? [15:25] jrwren_: I'm a bad one to ask--I only know its an option from the man page. I'm not one to mess with defaults if I can help it. [15:26] mrgoodcat: screen has split screens, but I don't think there's a concept of panes as such. [15:26] dzho: same here. I pretty much use defaults everywhere. [15:26] yeah, a search on "pane" in the screen man page turns up zilch [15:32] what about split? [16:36] dzho: ah yea i seem to remember that [16:47] Afternoon and all that [16:48] jazz. You forgot the word jazz. :-) [16:58] gah, now that song (the mulan rouge version) is in my head [17:07] Well you should at least replace that with the Chicago version [17:21] Yeah, totally. :-p [17:21] 'there was a boy....a very...' [17:21] <3 [17:58] bah /me so so angry now http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-wont-be-getting-developer-edition-moto-x-2014 [17:58] http://goo.gl/W74sfu - Verizon won't be getting a developer edition for Moto X in 2014 | Android Central [18:04] Verizon: We don't care. [18:04] done [18:05] ? [18:05] getting it sans verizon and will cancel verizon and move to tmobile [18:05] At least they'll have GSM instead of CDMA [18:05] We don't have to [18:06] Which I think is more important for you with travel and whatnot [18:06] yeah, the one bad part of Ting for me [18:07] yea, I won't do any more cdma stuff [18:07] greg-g: yeah, me too [18:08] and this is why I <3 google voice [18:08] I think t-mobile is probably the best local carrier for anybody who travels abroad [18:08] and +1 on the Google Voice love [18:08] yea, I've thought about hte switch for years but love my verizon 4g and could get my phones unlocked and just pay for the privilage [18:09] but if they're going to mess up the unlocked phone side I'll move along [18:09] tmobile the best at something? [18:10] I'm planning to not have a phone when I travel. [18:10] jrwren_: all good, hangout with me [18:11] rick_h_: OK, I WILL! :) [18:11] it's so vital from on the fly travel schedules, yelp for local food that's good, hours of places you want to go, maps to find the way [18:11] it's amazing to think that people traveled abroad without one [18:11] oh, I'll have a phone, It will just be wifi only. [18:11] yea, but that's :/ [18:12] so I'm told. [18:12] in the hotel it's like a tech conference, the wifi is usually crap unless you're in the canonical sprint stuff [18:12] there you'll be golden, but the rooms lock up at night [18:12] I'll find all the breweries with free wifi :) [18:12] Why is tmobile better than ATT? [18:12] lol [18:12] brousch_: because I had ATT before verizon (they were so bad I willingly WENT to verizon) [18:12] jrwren_: I heard you can get a prepaid sim, and re-charge it in atm's overseas. Might be worth looking into. [18:13] aisrael: yea, depends on the place. [18:13] brousch_: but tmobile has non-fast, but free international data [18:13] ah [18:13] brousch_: so should help me use my phone to local the nearest hspa+ dealer :) [18:13] brousch_: and they're less evil [18:13] and the wifi calling stuff would be cool [18:14] anyway, phone ordered, will have to work on the carrier move when it arrives [18:14] You use verizon. You clearly don't care about using evil phone companies [18:14] brousch_: not when I can still get my phone I want, unlocked the way I want, and use the phones/devices the way I want [18:14] I pay extra for it sure, but it's not been blocked until this go round [18:15] rick_h_: how is it blocked? did I misread that article? [18:16] widox: you cannot get one that has verizon 4g freq [18:17] widox: and it's not carrier backed/etc. [18:17] aisrael: experimenting with unteathering from familY :) [18:17] heh [18:17] oh wtf, the time researching carrier plans the phone's out of stock now?! [18:17] by the time I built it, enter my info, and hit the buy button it's gone [18:17] rick_h_: ooh. that blows :-/ [18:33] rick_h_: Man that sucks [23:54] Evening. :)