[13:03] <mrgoodcat> morning
[13:26] <cmaloney> morning
[14:01] <rick_h_> dammit, I'm just going to stop talking today. I swear someone wants to jump out and disagree with everything I say today.
[14:01] <rick_h_> and morning
[14:01] <rick_h_> and bah humbug
[14:01]  * rick_h_ is sick of stupid people 
[14:01] <cmaloney> no they're not. :)
[14:01] <cmaloney> and yes, I am messing with you. :)
[14:01] <cmaloney> work-related foo?
[14:02] <rick_h_> inside work, outside of work
[14:02] <rick_h_> everywhere
[14:02] <cmaloney> ugh
[14:02] <jrwren_> rick_h_: :)   <3 U
[14:02] <cmaloney> Anything we can do to help?
[14:03] <jrwren_> rick_h_: want to have a vent session?
[14:03] <rick_h_> no, not unless you're taking up assassination as a hobby
[14:03] <rick_h_> wtf, I should have know having an opinion would get me into trouble.
[14:03] <rick_h_> "+Rick Harding You've determined that the Moto X is better than an unannounced phone?"
[14:03] <rick_h_> bah! who writes that and doesn't go "hehehehe I'm going to be trollish today damn straight"
[14:04] <jrwren_> rick_h_: some of us are natural trolls, even though we don't mean to be.
[14:04] <cmaloney> Someone who apparently has a lot invested in said unannounced phone?
[14:04] <rick_h_> so OF COURSE I find the need to reply
[14:04] <jrwren_> ifon7!
[14:04] <rick_h_> which just draws out 50 other trolls from their hidey-holes
[14:05] <cmaloney> Ah, the Correctus Maximus variant of the troll
[14:05] <cmaloney> the common troll
[14:05] <rick_h_> and of course I was a moron and had to go with the "everyone understands an analogy"
[14:05] <rick_h_> which just brings out the analogy police
[14:05] <cmaloney> Oh fuck
[14:05] <cmaloney> The Automobilus Computerus
[14:06] <cmaloney> Bah, where is my latin. Automobilis Computerus. ;)
[14:07] <rick_h_> lol
[14:09] <rick_h_> anyway, hope everyone else is having a wonderful tues.
[14:09] <cmaloney> rick_h_: So which phone were you comparing to the MotoX?
[14:09] <cmaloney> So far so good
[14:09] <cmaloney> Chasing strange errors.
[14:09] <rick_h_> and jrwren_, let the record show I'm can be a merciful lead and not using a giant stick to say 'jfdi' no matter how much I want to :)
[14:09] <rick_h_> cmaloney: one of the guys from work is asking about motox (new one) vs waiting for nexus 6
[14:09] <jrwren_> rick_h_: you are a good leader.
[14:09] <rick_h_> I said why I loved my motox
[14:10] <rick_h_> jrwren_: uros convinced me not to, so make him the nice and good one
[14:10] <rick_h_> cmaloney: which makes me a bad guy to all the 'nexus or die!' purists
[14:10] <jrwren_> rick_h_: also, that is not a good kind of leadership, its harder, but MUCH more effective to figure out a way to convince people rather than telling them.
[14:10] <rick_h_> jrwren_: +1
[14:11] <rick_h_> jrwren_: but some people have stone blocks for heads that can only be split with much force
[14:11] <jrwren_> I watched a manager continually errode any confidence his team had in him by doing that too much.
[14:11] <jrwren_> rick_h_: I totally agree. its HARD.
[14:11] <rick_h_> all good, my coffee intake is complete, the day can only go up from here
[14:11] <jrwren_> rick_h_: especially since we are techie nerd types too and so we tend to argue the same ways, which are rarely effective in actually changing peoples minds.
[14:12] <rick_h_> well, it's tough when we think different things because we internally just value different ideas
[14:12] <rick_h_> so you have to change their values to get an agreement vs just convincing them of something
[14:12] <jrwren_> rick_h_: sometimes spelling out those values can help and specifically stating what you do not value on a current point can help.
[14:12] <cmaloney> Thing is you've proven that the MotoX meets your needs
[14:13] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yes, which is all I'm saying, and that a nexus 5 does not and I do not believe the nexus 6 will as well.
[14:13] <rick_h_> but it's all realtive to what fits the owner's needs
[14:13] <cmaloney> I don't see that as being a problem.
[14:13] <jrwren_> haha.. this is about android stuffs? well forget it, who wants to use that junk :)
[14:13] <rick_h_> jrwren_: :P I know, it won't even work with the unreleased apple watch. i mean, how quaint. Might as well be a leap pad
[14:13] <jrwren_> wait... was that someones arguments?
[14:14] <cmaloney> jrwren_: I'm just tickled pink that Microsoft spent $400 mil to have the NFL use the Surface and the announcers call them "iPads"
[14:14] <rick_h_> jrwren_: no, that's me being a cranky snark :)
[14:14] <jrwren_> rick_h_: ah! awesome!
[14:17] <rick_h_> ok, question, my brain isn't going yet this morning
[14:17] <rick_h_> I've got a box that has a bridged network, so it's on my local network on one end, and on a different netowrk on the other
[14:18] <rick_h_> I want to, from another machine on my local network, tunnel through that magic box (let's just call it orange) so I can load up web pages on that internal network
[14:18] <rick_h_> it's not a real ssh tunnel, since the endpoint isn't on the gateway box, but something where I reach through it
[14:19] <jrwren_> rick_h_: bridged network means they are on the same L2 network, usually the same L3, since DHCP will assign addresses on that L2.
[14:21] <jrwren_> rick_h_: ssh -L8080:ipbehindtheorange:80 orangebox
[14:21] <dzho> rick_h_: yeah, when you say bridged, is it a dual-homed box, with one interface bridged to the different network on one interface?
[14:21] <jrwren_> rick_h_: then you can curl localhost:8080 and it goes to ipbehindtheorange:80
[14:21] <rick_h_> dzho: jrwren_ ah true
[14:22]  * dzho defers to jrwren_ on this.  Even after reading the ssh man page careful on port forwarding I inevitably get it wrong the first time.
[15:01] <cmaloney> Man I love tmux
[15:01] <cmaloney> Just had to throw that out there. :)
[15:01] <jrwren_> what specifically?
[15:03] <dzho> cmaloney: yes, what about it in particular inspires you to wax lyrical about it today?
[15:04] <dzho> oddly enough I was inspired to check the state of my tmux'ing on various of my commonly-used systems by what I thought was a poor answer to a question in #tmux
[15:04] <dzho> cmaloney: also, which keybindings, vi or emacs?
[15:04] <cmaloney> dzho: I used my IRC script to reconnect to a session that was already open
[15:05] <cmaloney> dzho: I haven't played with the tmux bindings
[15:05] <dzho> so, emacs?
[15:05] <cmaloney> I think so
[15:05] <cmaloney> How do I check?
[15:05]  * dzho finds emacs key bindings in non-emacs things funny, since they represent halting steps towards Just Do Everything In Emacs.
[15:06] <dzho> cmaloney: I think emacs is the default.  it is on my ubuntu systems at least.
[15:06] <dzho> what I specifically have in mind today is what keys you use to copypasta amongst tmux windows
[15:06] <dzho> (if, in fact, you do)
[15:06] <dzho> or tmux panes or whatever
[15:07]  * dzho is still most hung up on the added complexity of panes+windows in tmux vs just windows in screen
[15:08] <cmaloney> I have mine set to vi mode.
[15:08] <cmaloney> I<3 windows in tmux
[15:09] <cmaloney> The only thing I wish I had was ^B-[hjkl] for moving to different windows
[15:11] <cmaloney> Hah, found one. :)
[15:12] <mrgoodcat> screen does panes and windows i thought
[15:14] <cmaloney> I think it does, but tmux is better about imho
[15:17] <jrwren_> dzho: how to vi keybindings work in tmux?
[15:25] <dzho> jrwren_: I'm a bad one to ask--I only know its an option from the man page.  I'm not one to mess with defaults if I can help it.
[15:26] <dzho> mrgoodcat: screen has split screens, but I don't think there's a concept of panes as such.
[15:26] <jrwren_> dzho: same here. I pretty much use defaults everywhere.
[15:26] <dzho> yeah, a search on "pane" in the screen man page turns up zilch
[15:32] <jrwren_> what about split?
[16:36] <mrgoodcat> dzho: ah yea i seem to remember that
[16:47] <cmaloney> Afternoon and all that
[16:48] <wolfger> jazz. You forgot the word jazz. :-)
[16:58] <greg-g> gah, now that song (the mulan rouge version) is in my head
[17:07] <wolfger> Well you should at least replace that with the Chicago version
[17:21] <cmaloney> Yeah, totally. :-p
[17:21] <rick_h_> 'there was a boy....a very...'
[17:21] <rick_h_> <3
[17:58] <rick_h_> bah /me so so angry now http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-wont-be-getting-developer-edition-moto-x-2014
[17:58] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/W74sfu - Verizon won't be getting a developer edition for Moto X in 2014 | Android Central
[18:04] <cmaloney> Verizon: We don't care.
[18:04] <rick_h_> done
[18:05] <cmaloney> ?
[18:05] <rick_h_> getting it sans verizon and will cancel verizon and move to tmobile
[18:05] <cmaloney> At least they'll have GSM instead of CDMA
[18:05] <brousch_> We don't have to
[18:06] <cmaloney> Which I think is more important for you with travel and whatnot
[18:06] <greg-g> yeah, the one bad part of Ting for me
[18:07] <rick_h_> yea, I won't do any more cdma stuff
[18:07] <cmaloney> greg-g: yeah, me too
[18:08] <rick_h_> and this is why I <3 google voice
[18:08] <wolfger> I think t-mobile is probably the best local carrier for anybody who travels abroad
[18:08] <wolfger> and +1 on the Google Voice love
[18:08] <rick_h_> yea, I've thought about hte switch for years but love my verizon 4g and could get my phones unlocked and just pay for the privilage
[18:09] <rick_h_> but if they're going to mess up the unlocked phone side I'll move along
[18:09] <brousch_> tmobile the best at something?
[18:10] <jrwren_> I'm planning to not have a phone when I travel.
[18:10] <rick_h_> jrwren_: all good, hangout with me
[18:11] <jrwren_> rick_h_: OK, I WILL! :)
[18:11] <rick_h_> it's so vital from on the fly travel schedules, yelp for local food that's good, hours of places you want to go, maps to find the way
[18:11] <rick_h_> it's amazing to think that people traveled abroad without one
[18:11] <jrwren_> oh, I'll have a phone, It will just be wifi only.
[18:11] <rick_h_> yea, but that's :/
[18:12] <jrwren_> so I'm told.
[18:12] <rick_h_> in the hotel it's like a tech conference, the wifi is usually crap unless you're in the canonical sprint stuff
[18:12] <rick_h_> there you'll be golden, but the rooms lock up at night
[18:12] <jrwren_> I'll find all the breweries with free wifi :)
[18:12] <brousch_> Why is tmobile better than ATT?
[18:12] <rick_h_> lol
[18:12] <rick_h_> brousch_: because I had ATT before verizon (they were so bad I willingly WENT to verizon)
[18:12] <aisrael> jrwren_: I heard you can get a prepaid sim, and re-charge it in atm's overseas. Might be worth looking into.
[18:13] <rick_h_> aisrael: yea, depends on the place.
[18:13] <rick_h_> brousch_: but tmobile has non-fast, but free international data
[18:13] <brousch_> ah
[18:13] <rick_h_> brousch_: so should help me use my phone to local the nearest hspa+ dealer :)
[18:13] <rick_h_> brousch_: and they're less evil
[18:13] <rick_h_> and the wifi calling stuff would be cool
[18:14] <rick_h_> anyway, phone ordered, will have to work on the carrier move when it arrives
[18:14] <brousch_> You use verizon. You clearly don't care about using evil phone companies
[18:14] <rick_h_> brousch_: not when I can still get my phone I want, unlocked the way I want, and use the phones/devices the way I want
[18:14] <rick_h_> I pay extra for it sure, but it's not been blocked until this go round
[18:15] <widox> rick_h_: how is it blocked? did I misread that article?
[18:16] <rick_h_> widox: you cannot get one that has verizon 4g freq
[18:17] <rick_h_> widox: and it's not carrier backed/etc.
[18:17] <jrwren_> aisrael: experimenting with unteathering from familY :)
[18:17] <aisrael> heh
[18:17] <rick_h_> oh wtf, the time researching carrier plans the phone's out of stock now?!
[18:17] <rick_h_> by the time I built it, enter my info, and hit the buy button it's gone
[18:17] <widox> rick_h_: ooh. that blows :-/
[18:33] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Man that sucks
[23:54] <cmaloney> Evening. :)