[00:02] <Bashing-om> lokke: That card has no proprietary driver available, AMD has dropped support for it. Open source driver is what is recommended .
[00:03] <lokke> Bashing-om: thanks - can u tell me wich driver i should install? "radeonhd" is not supported in 14.04 =(
[00:03] <rwp> At least two somethings clear the startup screen at boot.  One is the plymouth splash screen.
[00:03] <rwp> I can remove splash from the kernel boot command line and plymouth no longer clears the boot messages.
[00:03] <rwp> But something else still clears the screen losing the start time boot up messages.
[00:03] <rwp> I added --noclear to getty on tty1.
[00:04] <rwp> There is still some additional something that clears the screen during late boot.
[00:04] <HideMe> I'm following the KVM networking guide  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Networking  to create a bridge network, yet Ubuntu doesn't want to accept it.    "sudo invoke-rc.d networking stop" doesn't even work, and suggested changes to /etc/network/interfaces just disable my internet connection.  Any advice?
[00:04] <rwp> It is a race of some sort. If I boot many times eventually some boot messages appear after the screen was cleared.
[00:04] <rwp> Does anyone know what additional something is clearing the screen at boot time?
[00:05] <rwp> HideMe, For one you are fighting with NetworkManager.
[00:05] <expunge> rwp: what happens?
[00:05] <ikonia> HideMe: it disables your internet connection because the physical card no longer gets an IP address, the bridge device should, however I suspect the bridge device is not getting a network address as you've not bound it to the physical device correctly
[00:05] <ikonia> HideMe: hence "no internet"
[00:05] <ikonia> that is the most common cause
[00:06] <rwp> expunge, The boot time screen is cleared at the end of boot erasing any boot time error message from the screen. I would like to see those messages.
[00:06] <spearhead> rwp, have you looked in /var/log/boot.log?
[00:06] <HideMe> ikonia, Even though my interfaces file looks identical (sub in my IP) to the example?
[00:07] <ikonia> HideMe: no idea about/not interested in the example
[00:07] <rwp> spearhead, That requires logging into the machine. I would rather have it simply leave the error on the screen.
[00:07] <ikonia> HideMe: check if your bridge device gets an ip/if you've configured a valid IP on the bridge device
[00:07] <spearhead> rwp, oh ok, I can't help you there...
[00:07] <Helsinkiii> hi
[00:08] <expunge> hi Helsinki deux
[00:08] <Helsinkiii> expo873, ?
[00:08] <Helsinkiii> expunge, ?
[00:08] <rwp> It is one of those frustrating things. It shows me the message and then a fractional second later it is gone. Grr...
[00:08] <HideMe> ikonia,  I also find that a reboot is required to test my changes, I assume network-manager is causing this?
[00:09] <ikonia> HideMe: I'd advice you not to try to manually configure device while network manager is also trying to configure devices, use one or the other
[00:09] <ikonia> HideMe: you'll find that is a fight that no-one wins
[00:09] <Helsinkiii> So, if I torrent something or view a really media-rich webpage with ads, i get a complete crash
[00:09] <rwp> If a device is listed in /etc/network/interfaces then NetworkManager will ignore it.
[00:09] <HideMe> ikonia, Yes... I'm starting to see that.   lol
[00:09] <Helsinkiii> and i often see a "no suitable module for running kernel found  (fail)"
[00:10] <expunge> Helsinkiii: ?
[00:10] <rwp> But a reboot might be needed if NetworkManager started thinking it had control of it initially.
[00:10] <Helsinkiii> so any ideas why a torrent or media/ad rich web page causes my whole system to crash, requiring a hard reboot?
[00:11] <ikonia> Helsinkiii: I'd try to focus on one of this situations, then narrow it down
[00:11] <rwp> Helsinkiii, Unfortunately that sounds like flakey hardware to me. I would run memtest86+ overnight.
[00:12] <Helsinkiii> rwp, did, nada
[00:12] <Helsinkiii> i think it might be wifi-driver related, but i don't have a real cable to test that out
[00:12] <Helsinkiii> lol "Real" cable
[00:12] <HideMe> ikonia,  Do you know of a guide for setting up KVM bridged network within network-manager?
[00:12] <rwp> That is too bad. Because that would have been easy to fix. It can still be something flakey.
[00:12] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2014-09-14 10:02:21 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> so i finally upgraded precise to trusty and i have a couple hiccups
[00:12] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2014-09-14 10:02:43 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> text antialiasing is not working right
[00:12] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2014-09-14 10:02:51 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> the screen is hard to read
[00:13] <Helsinkiii> rwp it happened just now and I saw a red line after the panic saying ""no suitable module for running kernel found  (fail)"
[00:13] <ikonia> HideMe: should be reasonably straight forward, just add a br device, and link it to your eth device, although I've not got network manager here to confirm
[00:14] <rwp> HideMe, Here is my working KVM network bridge using /etc/network/interfaces and NOT NetworkManager. http://pastebin.com/6QjeKAfZ
[00:15] <Helsinkiii> rwp, any clue?
[00:16] <HideMe> rwp  Thank you.   I'm going to try this in network-manager first.  :)
[00:16] <Corvette> I have a laptop with a vga and hdmi output running ubuntu 14.04. When I connect monitors to both ports it detects them in 'displays', but when I try to activate the third monitor it gives me a blank window that doesn't go away and the display does not turn on
[00:17] <LS1> hi, I just installed the maliit keyboard but how can I launch it?
[00:17] <Bashing-om> lokke: Before (re-)installing 'radeon' one must make sure any pieces of the proprietary driver have been removed. Then we can install open soutce.
[00:17] <rwp> Helsinkiii, When I search for the problem the hits all seem related to VirtualBox.
[00:17] <rwp> Helsinkiii, You left!
[00:18] <spearhead> rwp, some people are just impatient
[00:18] <rwp> spearhead, Yep. No patience. "I need patience. Give it to me now!" :-)
[00:20] <rwp> Makes me wonder if he was running from within a VBox VM though.
[00:23] <jimi> ubuntu good
[00:24] <jimi> code shell
[00:28] <Nothing_Much> Can Ubuntu's Unity run on ARM desktop computers?
[00:29] <expunge> Nothing_Much: GNOME certainly can
[00:29] <expunge> I'm not sure if compiz will build for arm
[00:30] <expunge> unity isn't so special, though, if the effects aren't terribly important to you
[00:30] <expunge> it's just a top panel and a left-side panel
[00:30] <expunge> which any number of combinations of packages can get you
[00:30] <Nothing_Much> no HUD though
[00:31] <Nothing_Much> and most menus from other DEs suck
[00:31] <Nothing_Much> so yeah
[00:31] <Nothing_Much> I want Unity on an ARM motherboard
[00:31] <expunge> HUD?
[00:31] <expunge> menus?
[00:31] <Nothing_Much> or desktop
[00:31] <expunge> you could check out unity-2d
[00:31] <Nothing_Much> Heads up display and context menus
[00:31] <Nothing_Much> Unity-2D was depreciated after 12.04
[00:31] <expunge> you'll have to be more specific
[00:31] <Vyun> does new ubuntu still have spyware on by default?
[00:31] <expunge> Nothing_Much: still works
[00:31] <Nothing_Much> There is no spyware Vyun
[00:32] <Vyun> was the last time I checked
[00:32] <Vyun> in LTS
[00:32] <expunge> Vyun: AFAIK, yup, but you can uninstall it
[00:32] <Vyun> ok, I'll pass then..
[00:32] <spearhead> Vyun, what spyware?
[00:32] <expunge> you can always install Debian unstable and get roughly the same thing
[00:32] <Nothing_Much> What are you guys doing in a channel called #ubuntu when you think that-
[00:32] <expunge> as Ubuntu
[00:32] <Vyun> and I'll just stick to Linux Mint
[00:32] <Nothing_Much> Linux Mint is more insecure than Ubuntu is
[00:32] <Nothing_Much> But this isn't a general discussion channel
[00:32] <expunge> Mint is just Ubuntu without Unity
[00:32] <Nothing_Much> You guys need to get out
[00:32] <Nothing_Much> No it's not
[00:33] <Nothing_Much> But still
[00:33] <expunge> you need only not install Unity =P
[00:33] <Vyun> it is
[00:33] <Nothing_Much> I want my support
[00:33] <Nothing_Much> I want Unity on an ARM motherboard
[00:33] <Vyun> this is a support channel?
[00:33] <expunge> I doubt Xubuntu comes with the amazon lens, for example
[00:33] <spearhead> Vyun, what spyware are you referring to?
[00:33] <expunge> Vyun: sure
[00:33] <Nothing_Much> And stop saying "spyware" it's FUD
[00:33] <Nothing_Much> There is no spyware
[00:33] <Guest54877> I'm trying to install an external hard drive from Rosewill, when I plug it in though no drive is recognized. Anyone know what I can do?
[00:33] <Nothing_Much> Get out you darned hippies
[00:33] <Vyun> it is spyware, obviously haven't seen that charming youtube video with Stallman
[00:33] <Vyun> :)
[00:34] <expunge> hwh
[00:34] <expunge> heh
[00:34] <expunge> it snoops information without informing you, that's what a lot of people call spyware
[00:34] <somsip> !adlens | Vyun (keep to being helpful and ontopic here please)
[00:34] <Vyun> spearhead, the amazon sending your search results out in the wild where everyone can see it
[00:34] <Vyun> I mean, the ubuntu sending it
[00:34] <ikonia> Vyun: stop
[00:34] <ikonia> amazon is not contacted
[00:35] <selig5_> Guest54877: Are you using eSata?
[00:35] <ikonia> if you can't even get the facts right - stop talking
[00:35] <Vyun> spyware in my dictionary, well it was the last time I used that os
[00:35] <Guest54877> IDE
[00:35] <ikonia> Vyun: then you're wrong - so stop talking
[00:35] <Nothing_Much> Vyun: Check your PMs
[00:35] <ikonia> Vyun: it's not sent results to amazon for many releases,
[00:36] <spearhead> Vyun, if that is what you are talking about then yes it is still there, and yes you can easily remove it... but as others are saying it can still only send information with your consent...
[00:36] <expunge> spearhead: how does it get consent?
[00:37] <Nothing_Much> You installing Ubuntu
[00:37] <Vyun> it did not ask for consent the last time I used the system 2 years ago, just asking if they changed it
[00:37] <Nothing_Much> Because Canonical blatantly promotes that feature
[00:37] <Nothing_Much> On their website
[00:37] <Nothing_Much> And through releases
[00:37] <Vyun> I generally don't like it when my data are being leaked
[00:37] <expunge> that's a pretty liberal definition of consent, no? =)
[00:37] <Vyun> *data is leaked, sorry
[00:37] <Nothing_Much> But anyways, stop, head over to #ubuntu-offtopic this is a support channel
[00:37] <Nothing_Much> And your data doesn't get leaked
[00:37] <Vyun> it does.
[00:38] <Nothing_Much> How so?
[00:38] <Vyun> but oh well, thanks for answering
[00:38] <Nothing_Much> Link my data if you can
[00:38] <Vyun> switching to Linux Mint channel:)
[00:38] <Nothing_Much> I use Ubuntu all the time
[00:38] <Vyun> ok
[00:38] <Nothing_Much> Enjoy your lack of security updates
[00:38] <expunge> I think Vyun doesn't care whether it has his name on it or not
[00:38] <expunge> just that it's given to anyone
[00:38] <HideMe> rwp  Did you have to uninstall network-manager to set-up your br0?
[00:39] <Nothing_Much> So anyways
[00:39] <Nothing_Much> Does Unity work on ARM at all?
[00:39] <spearhead> !offtopic | expunge, Vyun,
[00:39] <Nothing_Much> Or does it depend on the drivers?
[00:39] <expunge> Nothing_Much: I'm not sure compiz does, that would be the clincher
[00:39] <Nothing_Much> Because I'm looking for an ARM desktop
[00:39] <Nothing_Much> Yeah, I hate Compiz
[00:39] <Nothing_Much> That's the one thing I hate about Unity
[00:39] <rwp> HideMe, I did for other reasons. But if you add "iface eth0 inet manual" to the file then NetworkManager will ignore it.
[00:39] <expunge> compiz is the main part of Unity that isn't GNOME
[00:39] <Nothing_Much> Thank goodness for Unity 8 though
[00:40] <expunge> what's unity 8?
[00:40] <rwp> HideMe, Sorry I forgot to mention that in my pastebin. Didn't think of it until now.
[00:40] <expunge> spearhead: suppah
[00:40] <Vyun> now that they're doing off topic stuff no one cares, great
[00:40] <expunge> Vyun: =)
[00:40] <rwp> HideMe, In other words you shouldn't need to uninstall it.
[00:40] <Vyun> :)
[00:40] <Nothing_Much> Hmm..
[00:41] <Nothing_Much> Is it possible to find a recommendation for an ARM desktop?
[00:41] <HideMe> rwp Just a sec, I'll paste too.
[00:41] <expunge> Nothing_Much: sure
[00:41] <expunge> Nothing_Much: Xfce
[00:41] <rwp> Nothing_Much, I usually recommend either XFCE or LXDE.  Work great with Raspbian on my Raspberry Pi.
[00:42] <Nothing_Much> Oi
[00:42] <Nothing_Much> I WANT Unity
[00:42] <expunge> so use Unity
[00:42] <Nothing_Much> I hate "lightweight" desktop environments that people claim that are "stable" and "work well" when there's problems with tearing and scaling
[00:42] <HideMe> rwp,   http://pastebin.com/m0Z2FFkM
[00:43] <expunge> Nothing_Much: well I just saw a random blog post claiming ordinary ubuntu with unity installed on arm
[00:43] <spearhead> Nothing_Much, apparently there are lots of people putting ubuntu on chromebooks which are arm based
[00:43] <expunge> so go forth
[00:43] <Nothing_Much> Hm.
[00:43] <rwp> HideMe, Not sure about the "auto eth0" line. I think it doesn't matter since it is marked "manual".
[00:43] <Nothing_Much> Okay, another question, are there websites that have recommendations for ARM desktops at all?
[00:44] <expunge> Nothing_Much: for desktop environments?
[00:44] <Nothing_Much> The last one I had had PowerVR graphics though
[00:44] <spearhead> Nothing_Much, I just searched for ubuntu unity on arm
[00:44] <expunge> or for hardware?
[00:44] <rwp> HideMe, Please remove the "network" line as that isn't ever needed. You must be looking at an older example. People have been trying to clear that from older examples for a couple of years now.
[00:44] <HideMe> rwp soon as I reboot with that config then I loose my internet connection.
[00:44] <Nothing_Much> expunge: Hardware, I'm uninterested in anything else except GNOME, Unity, and Enlightenment
[00:44] <fission6> i am currently under my user account, i did crontab -e and placed an entry in, however it doesn't appear to me running, can i do crontab -e as my user or do i need to be root?
[00:45] <expunge> Nothing_Much: okay, but gnome, unity and enlightenment are software...
[00:45] <ilyas> hello
[00:45] <expunge> ilyas: hi
[00:45] <rwp> HideMe, Also please remove "broadcast" for the same reason as "network".  Both are redundant with "netmask".  netmask is good.  Keep netmask.
[00:45] <somsip> fission6: if you crontab as a user, then you edit the user's crontab. If you sudo crontab -e then you edit the root user crontab
[00:45] <expunge> Nothing_Much: do you want arm, or do you actually just want affordable and low power?
[00:45] <spearhead> HideMe, rwp, the auto eth0 line tells it to automatically bring up that interface
[00:45] <HideMe> rwp  I'm following  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Networking
[00:45] <Basketball> can i control pc from voice
[00:45] <Nothing_Much> expunge: ARM, I have a 45watt x86 AMD CPU and my room STILL heats up
[00:45] <ilyas> wath !
[00:46] <fission6> somsip: that makes sense, but do i have to *do* anything special if i doit as a user, or will cron pick it up, becaus e the job isn't running
[00:46] <expunge> Nothing_Much: why do you want arm specifically?
[00:46] <Nothing_Much> Argh, I wish ARM was more common on desktops and had games that ran on graphics
[00:46] <expunge> it's plenty common
[00:46] <Nothing_Much> expunge: Because of the low power and especially heat
[00:46] <expunge> they just don't call them 'desktops', 'cause that'd be pointless
[00:46] <expunge> Nothing_Much: okay
[00:46] <rwp> spearhead, "auto" is the old way. "allow-hotplug" is the new way. But br0 is the interface that needs to come up not eth0.
[00:46] <expunge> Nothing_Much: it's just a budgetary game at this point
[00:46] <somsip> fission6: usually this is because the script being run makes assumptions about the environment which maybe are not available to the cron daemon. Like ENV variables and relative paths, eg: ~/
[00:46] <expunge> Nothing_Much: you can get cheaper ones that aren't quite as cutting edge
[00:46] <expunge> Nothing_Much: or spend a little more and get fancier ones
[00:47] <rwp> With "auto" boot was (in the old days) synchronous with /etc/init.d/networking.
[00:47] <fission6> somsip: him how can i test or see whats happening
[00:47] <expunge> the original rpi model b's are probably the cheapest, but only by $20-$30 really
[00:47] <Nothing_Much> I can compile FOSS games and there's some even compiled in Ubuntu's repos
[00:47] <Nothing_Much> Such as 0AD
[00:47] <rwp> With "allow-hotplug" the idea is that everything is event driven as the interface is discovered.
[00:47] <rwp> The old way was "/etc/init.d/networking restart" (then "service networking restart").
[00:47] <spearhead> rwp, I would still rather it bring the interface up and then wait for a connection...
[00:47] <expunge> Nothing_Much: https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/TargetedHardware has a good roundup
[00:48] <somsip> fission6: edit the crontab and append 2> /tmp/cronlog (or similar) to the end. This will output any errors in the script
[00:48] <rwp> The new way is "ifup eth0" and "ifdown eth0".
[00:48] <somsip> fission6: ...output to the named file...
[00:48] <rwp> spearhead, If I am running NIS then I always use "auto eth0" too.  Because then the system requires networking.
[00:48] <fission6> somsip: i see this (CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output)
[00:48] <rwp> spearhead, But on a mobile laptop I always use "allow-hotplug" so that it can come and go.
[00:48] <fission6> somsip: grep CRON /var/log/syslog
[00:48] <rwp> Different environments need different things.
[00:49] <somsip> fission6: that will tell you if it's failed, though tail -f /var/log/syslog might be easier to monitor
[00:49] <spearhead> rwp, I just use the same on all... actually my main laptop I just let network manager take care of it...
[00:49] <rwp> HideMe, When the network has failed and doesn't work for you what is the output of "ip addr show" on your system? Please pastebin it.
[00:50] <rwp> spearhead, NetworkManager is yet another way. And WICD is yet another alternative way to that.
[00:50] <rwp> HideMe, Here is an example ip addr show from my KVM machine. http://pastebin.com/yXTERNzb
[00:50] <HideMe> rwp Being that network-manager is still installed, how do I get my interface changes to take without rebooting?
[00:50] <rwp> HideMe, I am hoping you will be missing something that we can detect as a clue as to why your system isn't happyp.
[00:51] <rwp> HideMe, Good question. Not sure. Is there a way to tell NM to shutdown and let go of a connection?
[00:51] <spearhead> rwp, if he is trying to bridge to eth0 then doesn't eth0 have to be up?
[00:51] <HideMe> rwp  Ive tried what was suggested in that guide, but it gets ignored.  lol
[00:52] <HideMe> rwp  guess I'll have to reconnect.    brb.
[00:52] <rwp> spearhead, In this context "up" has a specific meaning. Normally you don't configure eth0 by itself. Normally you configure the bridge br0 and it brings up eth0.
[00:52] <spearhead> rwp, HideMe, sudo stop network-manager
[00:53] <rwp> HideMe, I know you mentioned some guide now lost back in the scroll history. But *I* wasn't motivated to look (sorry) because I have it working for me.
[00:53] <rwp> HideMe, If you paste in the URL again I will look at it this time.
[00:53] <spearhead> rwp, ok, I thought that eth0 had to be up for br0 to connect to it...
[00:54] <rwp> JFTR the reason I don't like NM is that it is has dropped the network on me too many times. It did it again today on an Ubuntu machine that I was trying to set up over the network. It's most common failure mode is that you are now disconnected. Argh. So I always use ifupdown instead since that has been rock solid for years.
[00:55] <rwp> But the difference is servers versus a mobile laptop.
[00:55] <rwp> Servers should be stable. They don't need NM.
[00:55] <HideMe> rwp   http://pastebin.com/3y7AAmtY
[00:55] <spearhead> I agree, I never use NM on a server.
[00:56] <HideMe> rwp  The guide:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Networking
[00:56] <rwp> HideMe, Is your main network eth0 or wlan0?
[00:57] <HideMe> rwp  according to ifconfig it's eth0
[00:57] <rwp> That page shows "auto eth0" for the manual eth0 connection so that must be okay.  Answering my question from before.
[00:57] <ilyas> ++
[00:58] <rwp> HideMe, Your listing shows a virbr0 device too.  Hmm...  A clue there but I don't know what.
[00:59] <HideMe> rwp virbr0 is for it your qemu config has "user" vs "tap".
[01:01] <rwp> HideMe, I want to hack on that wiki page and update it.
[01:01] <HideMe> rwp do you assign static IP's to your VMs?
[01:01] <rwp> There is no reason for a user to use "invoke-rc.d networking stop". That is for in package postinst scripts. Users should use "service networking stop".
[01:02] <rwp> HideMe, I do for my case. I want to be able to connect to them from the outside world.
[01:02] <ilyas> hi
[01:02] <HideMe> rwp  Can you show me how to do that, without loosing network-manager?
[01:03] <rwp> HideMe, If you don't need external connectivity then you can avoid this whole bridge issue and use "host" networking instead. That allows outgoing from the VM networking using a software NAT.
[01:03] <expunge> ilyas: hey again
[01:04] <HideMe> rwp Yeah, I've got that now.  But I'd like my VM's to talk to the outside world and eachother.
[01:04] <ilyas>  thanks
[01:04] <HideMe> rwp Upon set-up, give the VM a static IP and be done with it.
[01:04] <rwp> There are so many ways for something to fail. And usually exactly one way for it to work correctly. That debugging can be hard.
[01:05] <rwp> HideMe, The VM can have a static IP but then it needs the bridge in order to communicate through using that IP.
[01:05] <ilyas> exit
[01:05] <HideMe> rwp  back to square one.   lol
[01:06] <rwp> HideMe, I still think your ip addr show output has clues. I don't know how to interpret those clues though.
[01:08] <rwp> HideMe, It has a virbr0 that came from somewhere. The br0 isn't populated.
[01:08] <HideMe> rwp going to try stopping networking with 'service networking stop' config as I'd pasted and then restart networking.
[01:09] <HideMe> rwp yeah, it came from qemu install.   virbr0 is for it your qemu config has "user" vs "tap".
[01:10] <rwp> HideMe, And since I don't use NM I don't know how to tell NM to build the bridge itself. And apparently no one else in the channel knows this either or they would volunteer it.
[01:10] <Dramors> Hey people, I'm on 14.04 and the dash shows me no applications after running the software updater
[01:10] <Dramors> How can I fix this?
[01:10] <HideMe> rwp  service networking stop     stop: Unknown job: networking
[01:11] <HideMe> oh n/m   forgot sudo
[01:11] <YantriCorp> does linux have a file path like a logical network port map such as   /network/tcp/22/in or /network/tcp/22/out   just listen and spit stuff out with cat or tail or an of the fopen tools or what have you...any plan for this feature in future or something like it?
[01:11] <rwp> HideMe, "ls /etc/init.d |grep net" and hopfully you will see /etc/init.d/networking there.
[01:12] <HideMe> rwp yes.
[01:12] <rwp> Then really "service networking stop" should trigger that script.
[01:12] <HideMe> rwp fyi sudo service networking stop   don't work.
[01:12] <spearhead> HideMe, sudo stop network-manager
[01:13] <rwp> spearhead, Will stopping NM really be sufficient? I worry.
[01:13] <Dramors> Hey people, I'm on 14.04 and the dash shows me no applications after running the software updater. Any ideas how to fix this?
[01:13]  * rwp my time grows short.
[01:13] <spearhead> rwp, I don't know either...
[01:13] <HideMe> spearhead, according to the guide, sudo invoke-rc.d networking stop is recommended to stop networking before config.
[01:14] <Dramors> I googled but found no relevant results for 14.04. There was a result that told me to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -A but theres no such option anymore
[01:14] <spearhead> HideMe, ok, try sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop
[01:14] <rwp> One of the long running issues has been if a device is up and configured. But then the config file is changed. People stop using the new config.
[01:14] <rwp> And then it can't really stop because the config is different from when it was started.
[01:14] <rwp> Out of sync between the starts and the stops with different configs edited between.
[01:14] <HideMe> spearhead,  Does nothing.   :)
[01:15] <rwp> So it is always safer to stop things first, make all of the edits, then start things back up again.
[01:15] <DonkeyHotei> sudo dpkg --configure -a still exists
[01:15] <eeee> HideMe: sudo service network-manager stop
[01:15] <Dramors> DonkeyHotei: Is that the same thing? I'm asking cause in the reply I read it was capitalized
[01:15] <HideMe> eeee   Trying to stop/start networking as a whole.
[01:15] <DonkeyHotei> there was never a -A
[01:15] <Dramors> Ah okay I see
[01:15] <Dramors> thanks :)
[01:16] <spearhead> HideMe, does it do nothing, or print an error?
[01:16] <rwp> Dramors, And also "dpkg-reconfigure" is not quite the same as "dpkg --configure".
[01:17] <HideMe> spearhead, does nothing.
[01:17]  * rwp is out of time now.
[01:17] <HideMe> rwp  Thanks anyway.  :)
[01:17] <rwp> HideMe, Sorry I wasn't of more help. Good luck getting your bridge running.
[01:17] <rwp> spearhead, Thanks for the help with things.
[01:17] <rwp> See ya!
[01:18] <spearhead> rwp, see ya
[01:18] <spearhead> HideMe, try running ps aux | grep network
[01:18] <spearhead> to see what networking process are running
[01:20] <HideMe> spearhead, dhclient, dnsmasq
[01:20] <eeee> HideMe: ifconfig <interface> down
[01:21] <eeee> HideMe: ifdown <interface>
[01:21] <lxx> 完全看不懂
[01:22] <spearhead> Hide me here are my Network process running, are yours similar? http://pastebin.com/3Pe2YBeB
[01:22] <HideMe> eeee I'm trying to accomplish this.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Networking    When I change my interfaces, I lose internet connectivity.
[01:22] <daftykins> !cn | lxx
[01:23] <HideMe> spearhead,  http://pastebin.com/frxyYznQ
[01:24] <spearhead> HideMe, ok, you still need to kill network manager... are you on the same computer you are trying to configure?
[01:24] <HideMe> spearhead,  Yes.   I'm going to try this once more in network-manager though.
[01:24] <HideMe> brb
[01:28] <Basketball> can i control pc from voice
[01:28] <ikonia> Basketball: realistically - no
[01:28] <ikonia> there is voice control software.....is it usable, no
[01:30] <chaotix> hello, i am following the instructions to install the drivers for my brother mfcj410w printer and scanner, and i am unable to install the LPR driver because i am getting the following error...  i did it in the terminal so that i can share the output..  please help if you can.  thanks
[01:30] <chaotix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8354474/
[01:31] <HideMe> spearhead, back.
[01:32] <HideMe> spearhead, back.
[01:32] <ruu> when did ubuntu switch from main/contrib/nonfree to main/restricted/universe/multiverse?
[01:33] <xion> test
[01:33] <chaotix> i am trying the automatic method in the ubuntu printers program now, will tell how that works
[01:33] <daftykins> chaotix: what do you get from "ls -al /var/spool/" ?
[01:33] <somsip> !test | xion
[01:35] <HideMe> spearhead, You alive?
[01:35] <xion> richard said ubuntu is part of NSA PRISM
[01:35] <somsip> !fud | xion
[01:35] <spearhead> HideMe, yeah, I'm still here
[01:36] <HideMe> spearhead, so what were you going to suggest?
[01:36] <HideMe> spearhead, I'd rather not uninstall network-manager because I like the icon, but I will if need be.
[01:37] <chaotix> hey is anyone here that can help me with installing my printer driver?  i am getting the following error
[01:38] <chaotix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8354474/
[01:38] <chaotix> daftykins, sorry i jsut saw your response
[01:38] <spearhead> well, since you are on the computer you are trying to configure when you disable network manager you will probably lose your connection... I know there is a way to create a bridge in NM but I'm not really sure how. and I'm not really the best at configuring bridges to begin with. I have only successfully done it once
[01:39] <goose_> Hello! Any suggestions for music management for ipod touch 4 gen? I don't think that anything but iTunes works, and iTunes doesn't seem to run on linux... I tried playonlinux with no success...
[01:39] <ikonia> chaotix: a.) looks like that's not meant for your system b.) shouldn't need --force c.) it's complaining about missing directories, that should be straight forward to fix, but I would expect the deb to create them
[01:39] <ikonia> goose_: ipod+linux = no realistic supported solution
[01:39] <HideMe> spearhead, well, thank you for your time.
[01:40] <chaotix> daftykins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8354513/
[01:40] <spearhead> HideMe, sorry I couldn't be of more help... if rwp was still here we could probably get you there...
[01:41] <daftykins> chaotix: "sudo mkdir /var/spool/lpd" then try again, though heed ikonia's words if he suggests the package you have might not be correct
[01:41] <chaotix> goose_, http://askubuntu.com/questions/293722/how-to-manage-music-ipod-touch-4g-ios6-ubuntu-13-04
[01:41] <ikonia> goose_: that link is not useful
[01:41] <chaotix> ok thanks guys
[01:42] <chaotix> this worked in the past, as i have used the same drivers and same stuff on previous ubuntu versions
[01:42] <chaotix> this is my first time attempting to install on 14.04
[01:43] <chaotix> ikonia, goose_ , sorry i was hoping it would be useful
[01:43] <ikonia> chaotix: have you ever used the technique in that link ?
[01:43] <chaotix> ikonia, i have not
[01:44] <ikonia> chaotix: no problem, if you don't know if something works, best not to post it, anyone on the internet can write anything, doesn't mean it's good info
[01:44] <chaotix> i don't have an ipod
[01:44] <chaotix> ok
[01:44] <goose_> chaotix: ikonia: well thanks for trying to help!
[01:44] <chaotix> good luck with it
[01:44] <goose_> chaotix: Thanks
[01:44] <ikonia> goose_: sorry, just trying to give you realistic information about it, rather than wacky solutions
[01:44] <ikonia> goose_: even things that work for a day, break the with the next ios update
[01:45] <ikonia> so it's just not realistic at this time
[01:45] <haploid> Imay be completely losing my mind here, but ubuntu.com claims there is a netperf package for 14.04 but apt says there isn't. Can anyone confirm/deny this?
[01:45] <ikonia> haploid: where are you looking on ubuntu.com ?
[01:46] <goose_> ikonia: Probably a time-saver in the end...
[01:46] <ikonia> goose_: hence why I'm trying to be realistic
[01:46] <ki7mt> Can anyone else verify this for me. I think my manpage for "test" has been overwritten by a Spamassassin Mail Test Plugin man page.
[01:46] <bazhang> !info netperf
[01:46] <bazhang> haploid, ^
[01:46] <haploid> ikonia: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=netperf
[01:47] <ki7mt> by verifying I mean, simple run man test and see what it yields.
[01:47] <ikonia> haploid: check the info ubottu just gave you
[01:47] <ikonia> haploid: package exists in the multiverse repo
[01:48] <haploid> hmm allright thanks
[01:49] <spearhead> ki7mt, http://pastebin.com/ku68EnMj
[01:50] <ki7mt> spearhead, Thanks, yup, looks mine got nuked somehow.
[01:51] <YesSirrrrrrrrrrr> Well shave my legs and call me a women!
[01:52] <haploid> So, even after uncommenting the multiverse lines in sources and updating, netperf still isn't found.
[01:52] <ikonia> !topic | YesSirrrrrrrrrrr
[01:52] <spearhead> haploid, what version are you running?
[01:53] <haploid> spearhead: 14.04
[01:55] <Basketball> HOW DO I INSTALL flash on chromium
[01:56] <daftykins> Basketball: look for the pepperpot flash installer package
[01:56] <spearhead> haploid, so, you uncommented all the multiverse lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and ran sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install netperf and it still can't find it? were there any errors in the update?
[01:56] <daftykins> Basketball: pepperflashplugin-nonfree i think
[01:59] <haploid> spearhead: Ifigured it out - the only multiverse lines in sources were for security, not main. not sure why. so I manually added multiverse main
[01:59] <haploid> getting a duplicate source warning now, but it works
[02:01] <spearhead> haploid, ok, glad you got it working
[02:02] <prawn> haploid http://paste.ubuntu.com/8354658/ if it helps.
[02:06] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2014-09-14 10:02:21 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> so i finally upgraded precise to trusty and i have a couple hiccups
[02:06] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2014-09-14 10:02:43 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> text antialiasing is not working right
[02:06] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2014-09-14 10:02:51 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> the screen is hard to read
[02:16] <cmyers_laptop> uh... so I was on precise, I edited my /etc/apt/sources.list and replaced "precise' with 'trusty', then did `apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade`.  Now everything is fucked.  I can't seem to install the new kernel package, and I can't seem to get fglrx to install cleanly with the old kernel
[02:17] <cmyers_laptop> dpkg is giving no details besides "errors were encountered while processing"
[02:17] <ikonia> cmyers_laptop: 1.) thats not how you upgrade 2.) please control your langauge in the channel, we don't allow swearing
[02:17] <cmyers_laptop> how do I debug this?
[02:17] <cmyers_laptop> how do you upgrade, if not via the package manager?
[02:17] <ikonia> cmyers_laptop: I'd suggest you backup your data and do a clean 14.04 install
[02:17] <ikonia> as we don't know what packages got upgraded, what didn't, what state the system is in
[02:17] <ikonia> don't reboot if you can help it
[02:18] <ikonia> (until you back up your data)
[02:18] <cmyers_laptop> if I'm doing a clean install, I'm sure as crap not doing it with ubuntu.  This is ridic.  Debian never had these problems
[02:18] <ikonia> ok
[02:18] <cmyers_laptop> can the installer not even be trusted to leave my home partition alone?
[02:18] <cmyers_laptop> do I really need to back up to a separate disk?
[02:18] <ikonia> cmyers_laptop: shouldn't have touched it
[02:18] <cmyers_laptop> ok, that's something.
[02:18] <ikonia> but backup as best you can, belt and braces
[02:21] <cmyers_laptop> is the upgrade proceedure *really* to burn a CD and run a fresh install?
[02:21] <ikonia> no
[02:21] <cmyers_laptop> the only other thing I saw googling was to run some GUI app
[02:21] <ikonia> the upgrade process is a proven tried and tested process, that if you follow should have no problems
[02:21] <cmyers_laptop> which is equally ridic
[02:21] <ikonia> !upgrade
[02:21] <cmyers_laptop> I will read those, ty
[02:21] <ikonia> I wouldn't trust you system now though to be honest
[02:22] <wafflejock> cmyers_laptop: yeah like ikonia always good to have a backup
[02:23] <wafflejock> cmyers_laptop: I just use duplicity with the default backup GUI in Ubuntu Gnome, but typically take a clonezilla snapshot after I have my system configured initially too
[02:23] <talo> hi
[02:23] <cmyers_laptop> clearly not.  things are all manner of disasterfied.
[02:23] <expunge> hi talo
[02:23] <cmyers_laptop> I can't believe simply asking the package manager to install new versions of packages has done this
[02:24] <NeedNetworkHelp> Hell!
[02:24] <ikonia> it's not that simple
[02:24] <NeedNetworkHelp> Hello!*
[02:24] <expunge> 'lo
[02:24] <ikonia> there are changes between distros, some packages don't exist, other new ones appear
[02:24] <cmyers_laptop> that is a bug, not a feature.
[02:24] <cmyers_laptop> apt can handle that.
[02:24] <NeedNetworkHelp> I'm having trouble getting a script to work, the syntax is beyond me
[02:24] <NeedNetworkHelp> Here it is:
[02:24] <NeedNetworkHelp> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8354738/
[02:24] <wafflejock> cmyers_laptop: no doubt there are bugs in the upgrade process sometimes it goes smooth but often times a clean install is an easier route really due to what ikonia mentioned
[02:25] <wafflejock> cmyers_laptop: some packages are taken out others are replaced etc. sometimes things don't go smooth
[02:25] <NeedNetworkHelp> The error I am getting is
[02:25] <NeedNetworkHelp>  line 24: $LOG: ambiguous redirect
[02:25] <ikonia> cmyers_laptop: it's not a bug
[02:25] <cmyers_laptop> I'm sure the ubuntu devs don't think it is
[02:25] <ikonia> cmyers_laptop: lets stop with the smart comments
[02:25] <cmyers_laptop> but I've run debina for over a decade and never had to do anything other that type apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:25] <ikonia> cmyers_laptop: we are here to help, give you the correct process
[02:26] <expunge> cmyers_laptop: you could always use Debian
[02:26] <ikonia> if you can't use the channel without the smart mouth running commentary, don't
[02:26] <cmyers_laptop> fine, sorry, I came here more pissed off than anything
[02:26] <NeedNetworkHelp> Anyone good with bash?
[02:26] <wafflejock> expunge: truth
[02:26] <spearhead> NeedNetworkHelp, You have to uncomment the line #LOG=/home/$USER/rtorrent_cron.log if you want to use $LOG
[02:26] <dupingping> scp is very slow on site2site vpn
[02:26] <cmyers_laptop> you've told me what i need to do, which is burn this machine to the ground
[02:26] <cmyers_laptop> awesome.
[02:26] <NeedNetworkHelp> spearhead, thanks!
[02:26] <dupingping> but directly is very fast.
[02:26] <expunge> dupingping: -o Ciphers=arcfour -o Compression=no
[02:26] <ikonia> debian is not ubuntu
[02:26] <dupingping> expunge: i use softethervpn.
[02:26] <NeedNetworkHelp> And it works perfectly!
[02:26] <expunge> but ubuntu is debian =)
[02:26] <cmyers_laptop> no, it's better =P
[02:27] <NeedNetworkHelp> Spearhead, much appreciated =D
[02:27] <expunge> dupingping: neat
[02:27] <jiohdi> cmyers_laptop, whats the big deal, just re-install its only a half hr lost
[02:27] <spearhead> NeedNetworkHelp, np
[02:27] <CodeGosu> i have nvidia card and intel cpu with integrated graphic, when i tryed to switch to intel integrated gpu, i had problems getting system to boot (blackscreen), only in recovery mode, failsafe graphic mode i was able to boot, what kind of woodoo magic am i required to do to switch to intel integrated gpu?
[02:27] <eeee> NeedNetworkHelp: also, unccoment #MSG ....
[02:27] <eeee> *uncomment
[02:27] <NeedNetworkHelp> Will do , thanks
[02:27] <spearhead> yeah, I missed that one
[02:27] <dupingping> using compression is faster than not one?
[02:28] <NeedNetworkHelp> The guide was pretty sparse for this script
[02:28] <NeedNetworkHelp> Have a good night to you all =)
[02:29] <Caramoan> guys help me with my login screen, it never change the way i change my wallpaper it stock in unity wallpaper only in login screen..
[02:30] <eeee> Caramoan: are you using a .png file?
[02:31] <Caramoan> eeee, jpg file
[02:31] <eeee> Caramoan: try a .png
[02:31] <Caramoan> eeee, ok i try
[02:33] <gorelative> hey everyone
[02:33] <gorelative> trying to track down which packages/repo's im missing for my local mirror.
[02:33] <gorelative> https://gist.github.com/mikedevita/eb1ba5b1c5823ceca16f
[02:34] <gorelative> im new to creating local mirrors :P
[02:34] <ikonia> gorelative: how are you creating the mirror
[02:36] <samuel> alot
[02:36] <ikonia> gorelative: there is no web server running on that url
[02:36] <ikonia> thats your issue
[02:36] <gorelative> ikonia.. its a private mirror :P
[02:36] <gorelative> thats my mirror URL
[02:37] <Caramoan> eeee, thanks its works..
[02:37] <eeee> Caramoan: no problem
[02:37] <ikonia> gorelative: how are you creating the mirror
[02:37] <gorelative> using apt-mirror
[02:37] <gorelative> and giving it the mirror.list (second file in that gist)
[02:38] <gorelative> its pulling them from mirrors.digitalocean.com
[02:38] <ikonia> looks like it's not pulling down anything
[02:38] <gorelative> i only included the errors :)
[02:39] <ikonia> yes, and they are telling you what files it's missing
[02:39] <gorelative> okay but how do you format the deb lines in mirror.list to pull those files?
[02:40] <ikonia> you don't
[02:40] <ikonia> they should be pulled in as part of the sync
[02:40] <gorelative> as part of main?
[02:40] <gorelative> ah o see
[02:40] <gorelative> i see
[02:40] <gorelative> hmm i wonder why its not pulling them..
[02:41] <gorelative> http://mirrors.digitalocean.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/source/
[02:41] <gorelative> theyre there..
[02:46] <damccull> I have a script
[02:46] <damccull> it goes like this
[02:46] <damccull> while true; do
[02:46] <damccull> ping localhost
[02:46] <damccull> loop
[02:46] <damccull> ...
[02:46] <damccull> ctrl-c does not stop it
[02:46] <damccull> how do I stop it?
[02:46] <expunge> damccull: hold down CTRL+c
[02:46] <damccull> thanks
[02:47] <damccull> WOO!
[02:47] <damccull> Thanks :D
[02:47] <damccull> works like a char
[02:47] <damccull> m
[02:47] <damccull> i guess it was killing the instance of ping
[02:47] <damccull> instead of the script?
[02:47] <expunge> well if it was a loop
[02:47] <expunge> it was probably just starting again
[02:47] <expunge> hold down CTRL+c, and _usually_, eventually, you catch it while it's restarting
[02:47] <damccull> i see
[02:47] <damccull> that's awesome
[02:47] <expunge> s/and/you/
[02:48] <damccull> so how would you do it if you can't catch it?
[02:48] <expunge> whoops, n/m
[02:48] <expunge> if you can't catch it, you switch to another term/tty as fast as you can
[02:48] <expunge> and kill it
[02:48] <expunge> it's good to put a delay in your scripts =)
[02:48] <expunge> and even checks for sanity
[02:50] <damccull> ah
[02:50] <damccull> well i wasn't planning to use this for longer than abuot 10 minutes then delete it :D
[02:50] <damccull> I was watching for the IP switch on my dns change
[02:50] <braino> daftykins: just saw that from the other channel
[02:50] <damccull> so it wasn't 'localhost' but my domain name
[02:51] <braino> got nothing against ubuntu, but the ops in here are weal
[02:51] <braino> weak*
[02:53] <suzy> o/
[02:53] <expunge> braino: that's everywhere =)
[02:53] <expunge> suzy: heya
[02:53] <suzy> hiya
[02:55] <redgoku> hai everyone
[02:55] <expunge> ohai
[02:59] <SASDOE> hey guys, I have a server (14.04), root is on ext4 and home brtfs. Every two weeks (give or take), it just completely hangs, breaking all networking (so can't SSH into it, have to reboot with hard button -- will reboot shutdown properly though, in about 10 times as much time is usually does). And I have messages such as "process something something has something something for 120 seconds. to disable this message echo something something/kernel"
[02:59] <SASDOE> I was blaming brtfs, but since it is not the root partition I don't know.
[02:59] <expunge> SASDOE: uevents? =)
[03:00] <SASDOE> Any ideas of what I can do? And mainly can I either prevent it (preferably) or have it restart in such event by itself?
[03:00] <SASDOE> expunge: say what? :)
[03:00] <gorelative> ikonia, it was because i didnt have deb-src defined :)
[03:00] <expunge> SASDOE: is it a vm?
[03:00] <braino> line 4 - suzy wins
[03:01] <suzy> ;)
[03:01] <deanclkclk> anyone here uses cygwin?
[03:01] <SASDOE> No physical server. Has ECC ram and xeon3
[03:01] <expunge> deanclkclk: probably some people do
[03:01] <expunge> SASDOE: doubt the processing msgs are related, particularly
[03:02] <SASDOE> However I have seen the 120 seconds messages without it being hanged
[03:02] <SASDOE> Ok. Then how can I catch such a hang and have it reboot, or better yet, prevent this hang?
[03:04] <capellan> Is there anywhere I can find resources for manually installing Ubuntu like with arch? I have a small x86_32 machine with a 2GB SSD, and it's too small for even Lubuntu, so I'm looking to install a base and work from there
[03:04] <expunge> SASDOE: have to investigate
[03:04] <expunge> capellan: debootstrap
[03:04] <xangua> !minimal | capellan
[03:05] <rightmess> I've _just_ installed Gnome3. Is the recommended way to change the theme really with gnome tweak tool?
[03:05] <expunge> recommended by?
[03:05] <TJ-> SASDOE: You really need remote KVM to deal with that; do you have that option?
[03:05] <capellan> expunge: Bingo, thanks
[03:05] <unkn-error> can some one find a package for me
[03:05] <somsip> unkn-error: what package?
[03:05] <SASDOE> expunge: so where should I look?
[03:06] <unkn-error> http://nixdoc.net/man-pages/FreeBSD/ee.1.html
[03:06] <unkn-error> it is Easy Editor " ee "
[03:06] <SASDOE> TJ-: well if not over 100$ it could be.
[03:06] <somsip> !find easy
[03:06] <capellan> ubottu: How well does it support wi-fi these days?
[03:06] <somsip> !info ee | unkn-error
[03:07] <unkn-error> thank you... is there a reason for not existing like being deprecated / obsolete / security risk etc?
[03:07] <somsip> unkn-error: looks like it was in the repos once, but not any more
[03:07] <TJ-> SASDOE: syslog and kern.log should be capturing those messages, if their file-systems aren't the issue
[03:08] <bwmc> is best pony
[03:09] <unkn-error> Thank you for help somsip
[03:09] <Serraphyn> Hello again, I'm building a PC for my nephew and I have just put it together and its a Core 2 Duo Quad Q6600 @ 2.4Ghz with 8GB of Ram and an Nvidia 250 GTS card. I've also added a USB 3.0 micro card. Would this be good to run Ubuntu 14.04 64 bit on?
[03:09] <capellan> xangua: How well does it support wifi these days? (seeing as the bot didn't know)
[03:09] <SASDOE> Ok, so next time I have a crash, hopefully not to soon since I am 7000km from server, I'll save both and come back
[03:09] <xangua> capellan: you can download ubuntu and comprobe it yourseld
[03:09] <xangua> !hardware | capellan
[03:09] <expunge> Serraphyn: sure
[03:10] <capellan> xangua: Fair enough.
[03:10] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2014-09-14 10:02:21 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> so i finally upgraded precise to trusty and i have a couple hiccups
[03:10] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2014-09-14 10:02:43 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> text antialiasing is not working right
[03:10] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2014-09-14 10:02:51 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> the screen is hard to read
[03:11] <somsip> DonkeyHotei: please stop repasting something from a few days ago and just state your real problem
[03:11] <DonkeyHotei> somsip: that's the first problem right there
[03:11] <Serraphyn> expunge: do you think that is better then http://ca.gateway.com/gw/en/CA/content/model/DT.GEJAA.001?
[03:12] <SASDOE> Oh and can't I buy something to have control over ACPI controls over internet?
[03:12] <expunge> significantly
[03:12] <expunge> Serraphyn: ^
[03:12] <xangua> DonkeyHotei: did you try a new user profile? to check there might not be some config in your home
[03:12] <expunge> Serraphyn: oh wait 10gb ram =P
[03:13] <SASDOE> Because KVM wouldn't work, even local login hangs to much to work.
[03:13] <expunge> Serraphyn: nah just kinda samey then
[03:13] <DonkeyHotei> xangua: lemme try the guest user real quick
[03:13] <expunge> Serraphyn: but if you assembled it yourself, in general it's probably better than a gateway =)
[03:14] <TJ-> SASDOE:  You really need IPMI on a remote server like that
[03:14] <Serraphyn> expunge: Just AMD 4 core 2.0GHz vs Intel 4 Core 2.4 Ghz
[03:14] <expunge> Serraphyn: they're pretty close, by the numbers
[03:14] <Serraphyn> Cause I think the 10GB of ram is really 9 or 8 because of the on board video
[03:15] <expunge> it's not a huge difference, no
[03:15] <Serraphyn> expunge: maybe I'll give the wife the gateway with windows 8 to play World of Warcraft on :D
[03:15] <expunge> the average mortal would be happy with about 2GB of RAM =P
[03:16] <SASDOE> TJ-: Mhh but that implies changing motherboard does it not? Can't buy a IPMI module right?
[03:17] <TJ-> SASDOE: server class motherboards usually have a lights-out option board, IPMI or something equivalent
[03:18] <hualet> hi #ubuntu, will there be any logs or records after switching user using command 'su'?
[03:18] <DonkeyHotei> xangua: seems in the guest session, i have no mouse
[03:19] <hualet> i want to list all the users that are currently logged in.
[03:19] <SASDOE> Gigabyte GA-6UASL3 doesn't unfortunatly, so I'd have to change my mb, possibly RAM as well. Sh*t
[03:19] <Serraphyn> expunge: now I'm wondering if I should go with ubuntu or something 'more' like LFS
[03:20] <expunge> Serraphyn: LFS is about learning how to make a distro
[03:20] <Serraphyn> ah
[03:20] <expunge> Serraphyn: from scratch, like your own distro, to maintain and create a package manager for, from scratch =)
[03:20] <expunge> a non-derivate from-scratch distro =)
[03:20] <expunge> good thing to learn with, probably not what you're looking for at this particular moment
[03:21] <expunge> Serraphyn: did you want something other than Ubuntu for any particular reason?
[03:22] <expunge> just a question =)
[03:23] <Bashing-om> hualet: "i want to list all the users that are currently logged in" -> terminal command: " users " do that for you ?
[03:24] <Serraphyn> expunge: I used to use gentoo a long time ago cause supposedly it was better to compile everything
[03:25] <expunge> Serraphyn: it is, of course
[03:25] <expunge> takes more server time, though
[03:26] <expunge> s/server/cpu/
[03:26] <capellan> q
[03:26] <Serraphyn> expunge: I got 5 computers and a laptop in one room, I'm not to worried about having nothing to do
[03:26] <expunge> although it needn't, Gentoo just doesn't have much in the way of binary repos for some reason
[03:26] <expunge> well it's not really about something to do, because it's not like you have to watch it compile
[03:26] <expunge> but it does take cpu cycles that all bins wouldn't
[03:26] <Serraphyn> expunge: true
[03:26] <expunge> worth it for the stability, IMO
[03:27] <Serraphyn> hmm idea, how hard is it to setup distributed computing?
[03:27] <expunge> pretty easy, particularly with Gentoo
[03:27] <Serraphyn> since I have 3 linux boxes
[03:27] <Serraphyn> hmm I'll have to figure out how to install
[03:28] <expunge> stuff like http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Distcc/Cross-Compiling
[03:28] <Serraphyn> hmm might be kinda fun to see if Icould get something working, most of my gear is wifi, but all the built in nic are doing nothing and I could have a seperate network with a hub for them :D
[03:29] <expunge> I'm sure it'd be cute
[03:29] <expunge> but it's not like it really matters if it takes a single machine a day to build 300 packages
[03:29] <expunge> even if you only updated subsequently once a week or month, it wouldn't ever be that many again
[03:30] <expunge> and it wouldn't matter if it was
[03:30] <Serraphyn> yeah I guess :-/
[03:30] <Serraphyn> expunge: you seem knolwedgable of gentoo, stage3 or minimal?
[03:31] <expunge> Serraphyn: stage3 refers to the tarball you extract, minimal is just a live OS image
[03:31] <expunge> you can install from most any live OS image
[03:31] <expunge> should probably hit up #gentoo if you want that, though
[03:31] <Serraphyn> okay thanks for the tips
[03:31] <SASDOE> Does anyone have a not overly expensive IPMI and ECC MB they could recommend?
[03:31] <expunge> SASDOE: maybe #hardware ?
[03:34] <Guest60163> hey everyone. I'm extremly knew to ubuntu and i made a huge mistake when I tried to run windows and ubunto side by side. now my windows is completely gone. MY question is how can I reinstall windows from a usb. I already have one set up to install windows again. I just have no clue how to boot ubuntu from the usb
[03:34] <expunge> Guest60163: what makes you think it's gone?
[03:34] <SASDOE> expunge: thanks
[03:34] <expunge> =)
[03:35] <Guest60163> theres no way for me to get to it if its there. to my knowledge. however I really am super new at this.
[03:35] <expunge> Guest60163: you in ubuntu now?
[03:35] <expunge> Guest60163: or on the live OS, or?
[03:36] <Guest60163> im on ubuntu
[03:36] <xion> im on fedora mate irc irssi
[03:36] <expunge> Guest60163: run this for me?: sudo apt-get install pastebinit; sudo lsblk -f |& pastebinit
[03:37] <expunge> xion: you sitting on a hat? =P
[03:37] <xion> xD
[03:37] <Guest60163> Reading package lists... Done
[03:37] <Guest60163> Building dependency tree
[03:37] <Guest60163> Reading state information... Done
[03:37] <Guest60163> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[03:37] <Guest60163>   pastebinit
[03:37] <Guest60163> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded.
[03:37] <Guest60163> Need to get 14.9 kB of archives.
[03:37] <Guest60163> After this operation, 168 kB of additional disk space will be used.
[03:37] <Guest60163> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/main pastebinit all 1.4-3 [14.9 kB]
[03:37] <Guest60163> Fetched 14.9 kB in 0s (39.7 kB/s)
[03:37] <Guest60163> Selecting previously unselected package pastebinit.
[03:37] <Guest60163> (Reading database ... 194602 files and directories currently installed.)
[03:37] <unopaste> Guest60163 you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[03:37] <unopaste> Guest60163 you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[03:37] <unopaste> Guest60163 you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[03:38] <Guest60163> i did what next
[03:40] <Guest60163> am I still muted?
[03:40] <expunge> Guest60163: nope
[03:40] <Guest60163> oh ok what do I do nexT?
[03:40] <expunge> Guest60163: sudo lsbk -f |& pastebinit
[03:41] <Guest60163> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8355101/
[03:41] <Guest60163> am i supposed to post this?
[03:41] <cfhowlett> Guest60163, if you don't paste - we don't see.
[03:41] <expunge> Guest60163: sorry, make it pastebinit -i -
[03:42] <expunge> Guest60163: and sudo lsblk -f
[03:42] <expunge> not lsbk =)
[03:42] <Bashing-om> Guest60163: " sudo lsblk -f |& pastebini " the 'l' in blkid .
[03:43] <expunge> simpler if you can just copy & paste it
[03:43] <Guest60163> thats what ive been doing lol
[03:43] <expunge> oh sorry, wow that's two typos =)
[03:43] <expunge> heheheh
[03:43] <expunge> Guest60163: here we go: sudo lsblk -f |& pastebinit -i -
[03:44] <Guest60163> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8355107/
[03:45] <Iz_> I was wondering if anyone could help me out with a VPN issue?
[03:45] <rainbowwarrior> hello
[03:45] <gkatsev> I recently did a fresh install of ubuntu 14.04 and installed vlc. Now when I run vlc I get 'bus error' and no other messages. Any ideas how to debug this and fix it?
[03:45] <Guest60163> I posted the link does it mean anything?
[03:45] <Iz_> It works for about a minute then all connection drops
[03:45] <Iz_> but it doesn't disconnect
[03:47] <Bashing-om> Guest60163: Yeah, we are awaiting expunge to be the  bearer, You must not shoot the messenger ! .
[03:48] <Guest60163> lol ah I was just curious. im patient :)
[03:49] <Guest60163> how do I change my user name on here so it doesnt say guest
[03:49] <expunge> heh
[03:49] <gkatsev> Guest60163: /nick foo
[03:49] <expunge> Guest60163: if you only have one disk, yeah, it looks like Windows is gone
[03:49] <Guest60163> how can I boot from the usb so I can reinstall it?
[03:49] <expunge> Guest60163: theoretically much of the data is likely still there, though; if you had something very important you could try and recover it
[03:49] <Guest60163> or is there an easier way to do it
[03:50] <expunge> Guest60163: you just tell your BIOS/EFI to boot from the USB
[03:50] <expunge> Guest60163: but
[03:50] <expunge> Guest60163: you have to put the image onto the USB correctly =)
[03:50] <Iz_> Anyone have any clues on where to start troubleshooting an openVPN problem?
[03:50] <Guest60163> i used the microsoft program to make the usb a bootable one
[03:50] <expunge> Guest60163: well, I've heard that works sometimes =)
[03:51] <expunge> Guest60163: hopefully when your computer boots up it tells you how to access the bios/u/efi options
[03:51] <expunge> Guest60163: otherwise just try tapping esc, or f12, etc.
[03:51] <Guest60163> any other way? im not computer savy and ubuntu is driving me crazy lol
[03:51] <expunge> Iz_: by defining the problem? =)
[03:51] <expunge> Guest60163: other way to do what?
[03:52] <Guest60163> to remove ubuntu and put windows back?
[03:52] <expunge> Guest60163: booting install media is the normal way
[03:52] <Guest60163> ah ok ill try it
[04:16] <ridha> khemmmm
[04:16] <expunge> agreed
[04:25] <rrn_> hello guys how an i connet my ubuntu to wifi network?
[04:32] <squinty> !adlens | squinty
[05:23] <netlar> Can anyone tell me how to keep Conky from hiding when doing a show desktop
[05:24] <netlar> Is that not something I should ask here?
[05:39] <netlar> Guess I answered my own question
[05:39] <ruby_on_tails> can i ask a mencoder/video related question here?
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> ruby_on_tails: if its ubuntu related
[05:41] <blackyboy> Hi everyone, Hope everyone doing good. can any one say which command we can use instead of sudo service networking restart in Ubuntu 14.04 ?
[05:41] <ruby_on_tails> lotuspsychje: its not
[05:42] <blackyboy> sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0 not working
[05:42] <ruby_on_tails> where can i ask some video/encoding/ffmpeg/mencoder related questions then?
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> !encode
[05:43] <ruby_on_tails> #encode is dead
[05:43] <ruby_on_tails> 3-4 people in there
[05:50] <ezio> anyone know how to configure libmyodbc ... i install iodbc but it removes libmyodbc, so i literally can't get the program that configures it
[05:58] <Chenzenp> hey guys i really am sorry to post this here becuz i user debian  Derivatives but search almost whole web and try everything but couldn't do anything about, i am frustrated now can somebody help me to fix this http://paste.debian.net/121099/ ?
[06:00] <TJ-> ezio: check the package versions of libiodbc and libmyodbc - older versions have Breaks clauses in the control file
[06:00] <ezio> TJ-, i don't know what you mean ... how can i check the package versions?
[06:01] <geirha> Chenzenp: sudo locale-gen en_GB.utf8 en_US.utf8
[06:01] <TJ-> Chenzenp: See "man locale-gen"
[06:01] <TJ-> ezio: "apt-cache show <pkg>"
[06:02] <TJ-> ezio: And "apt-cache policy <pkg>" to check installed and available versions
[06:02] <ezio> i think what i really need to know is what is the proper way to configure odbc
[06:03] <ezio> aall i get is old results
[06:05] <Chenzenp> geirha, and TJ-  the problem is it dosnt have locale-gen it uses localedef
[06:06] <geirha> Chenzenp: Install the locales package
[06:11] <Chenzenp> no candidate and i have add repo in source.list dont use add-apt-repository ;(
[06:13] <nickbitreal> hey guys
[06:13] <nickbitreal> have a question about hardware
[06:13] <nickbitreal> I love apple computer build quality, but i hear drivers don't work well
[06:14] <nickbitreal> any suggestions for really premium hardware, for my next ubuntu build?
[06:14] <nickbitreal> this is for a laptop, fyi
[06:15] <nickbitreal> suggestions?
[06:20] <naturally> anyone know of a terminal that can be customized with buttons?
[06:22] <somsip> naturally: can you explain more about what you want?
[06:24] <fancyfetus> guys, I fucked up...
[06:25] <somsip> fancyfetus: keep the language family-friendly please
[06:25] <fancyfetus> somsip, got it
[06:25] <fancyfetus> I had ubuntu installed on a seperate partition
[06:25] <Bobbo> fancyfetus: I believe that belongs on reddit/tifu :P
[06:25] <fancyfetus> i figured I'll just delete the partition to remove ubuntu
[06:25] <icloud> can someone help me? i rooted my phone 4.4.2 and can browse / with root explorer, but how do i mount my phone on my computer so i can copy some file off /system..thanks
[06:26] <fancyfetus> now I can't boot at all and get stuck in grub rescue!
[06:26] <icloud> i enabled usb debug and is connecting as mtp
[06:26] <xangua> icloud: what ubuntu release are you using¿
[06:27] <somsip> fancyfetus: so what do you want to boot into? What OS is on the other partition?
[06:27] <fancyfetus> somsip, I windows
[06:27] <fancyfetus> I'd like to get into windows so that I can reinstall ubuntu
[06:28] <somsip> fancyfetus: just install from the live DVD. I have no idea about recovering windows MBR
[06:28] <fancyfetus> somsip, I get a "Remove disks or other media. Press any ke to restart"
[06:28] <icloud> xangua, 14.04
[06:28] <fancyfetus> then when I do it goes into grub rescue
[06:28] <Bobbo> fancyfetus: you can reinstall ubuntu from a live usb, which is really easy to create if you've got a flash drive or RWDVD to use.
[06:28] <somsip> fancyfetus: at one point in what process do you get that error?
[06:29] <fancyfetus> somsip, right after my bios splash screen
[06:29] <somsip> fancyfetus: so use a live DVD, like I and Bobbo have said
[06:29] <xangua> icloud: it should be mounted with no problems then, you could try airdroid as a temporal solution to transfers files
[06:29] <fancyfetus> somsip, right. I get a "Remove disks or other media" error when I use my live usb
[06:29] <fancyfetus> the problem could be my live usb
[06:29] <fancyfetus> so I'm recreating it now.
[06:30] <Bobbo> fancyfetus: Make sure your boot order is correct / you are booting from the USB device.
[06:31] <icloud> xangua, yeah it mounts, but i can only access the "user partition" (internal storage)
[06:31] <fancyfetus> Bobbo, I manually select to boot from usb and make sure it's the only usb plugged in
[06:32] <ezio> why is there no documenation about how to configure odbc that isn't 84 years old
[06:32] <Bobbo> fancyfetus: If it's newer (especially if it's got a Windows 8 sticker on it), turn off secure boot in the bios?
[06:32] <fancyfetus> Bobbo, it's an older windows 7 laptop
[06:32] <fancyfetus> haven't had problems booting from usb before
[06:33] <Bobbo> Maybe your flash drive went poopy then.
[06:33] <fancyfetus> could be a bad usb burn. we'll se
[06:33] <fancyfetus> That's what I'm thinking :P
[06:33] <juiced> icloud: you'll probably need to install adb and then enable usb debugging on your phone. you should be able to adb pull the files from /system after that
[06:33] <fancyfetus> I really want to reinstall ubuntu so I can play around with some more desktop environments
[06:34] <fancyfetus> gnome 3 just looked so good on my friends computer today
[06:34] <fancyfetus> I gotta get my fingers into it
[06:36] <icloud> juiced, ok i will probably just try that
[06:36] <icloud> i am not sure what 14.04 is using to mount android, mtpfs is apparently not installed
[06:37] <fancyfetus> uh oh
[06:37] <fancyfetus> still getting a remove disks or other media error when I try to boot
[06:38] <fancyfetus> can you update from ubuntu 12 to ubuntu 14 from inside ubuntu?
[06:39] <juiced> icloud: odd, but you are not really interested in the /sdcard anyway. it would pay to install android-tools-fastboot as well as android-tools-adb so you have the full suite for flashing etc.
[06:40] <fancyfetus> usbs are the bane of my laptop. Going to use a livecd of 13.10 to fix boot.
[06:41] <xangua> fancyfetus: you can update from 12.04 to 14.04 (LTS to LTS)
[06:42] <fancyfetus> xangua, can't update from 13.10 to 14.04?
[06:43] <xangua> fancyfetus: you can update from the previous to the right next after release, yes
[06:43] <fancyfetus> excellent, thank you :)
[06:45] <fancyfetus> OMG IT WORKED!
[06:45] <fancyfetus> Booting to windows now :D
[06:46] <fancyfetus> Never been happier
[06:46] <_-Tom-Tom-_> @fancyfetus: Booting to windows and beeing happy... Ughhh Damn you
[06:47] <_-Tom-Tom-_> ;-)
[06:47] <abaddon> !pastebin abaddon
[06:48] <abaddon> !paste abaddon
[06:48] <abaddon> !pastebin
[06:49] <icloud> juiced, do i need to install anything else beside the two package you listed? i ran adb devices as root but it shows nothing
[06:50] <icloud> lsusb return LG..blah thou
[06:50] <abaddon> can anyone assist me with why this wont echo out anything? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8355858/
[06:54] <sovsianikov> .
[06:54] <juiced> icloud: it shouldn't need root. did you enable the developer options on your phone and enable usb debugging? then you need to accept the rsa key the first time you do adb devices.
[06:56] <juiced> icloud: ubuntu is good because you don't need to whitelist the usb vendor in udev, unlike many other distros
[06:59] <abaddon> can anyone assist me with why this wont echo out anything? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8355858/
[06:59] <_-Tom-Tom-_> @abaddon
[06:59] <_-Tom-Tom-_> look at /bin/sh -x xyz.sh
[07:00] <_-Tom-Tom-_> no line to sed ;-)
[07:00] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: ??
[07:00] <abaddon> How so?
[07:01] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: It worked great till i tried to have it loop a number of times
[07:01] <_-Tom-Tom-_> what do you want to do
[07:01] <icloud> juiced,  yeah i connected via MTP and my status bar show usb debugging connected.
[07:02] <_-Tom-Tom-_> because the construct itself is ... umm... strange
[07:02] <icloud> juiced, oh well i figure it out tomorrow
[07:02] <icloud> 99
[07:03] <TJ-> abaddon: there are several errors there, but what is the ultimate aim?
[07:03] <juiced> icloud: worst case you can copy the files in question with the root explorer to your /sdcard and copy them through mtp from there. the permissions will not be preserved through going that way.
[07:04] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: XD Well...long story short.... I want a script that list out the dirs of desktop. Then another script to form a proper .lnk file using the variables created with cut1 and cut2 idesktop
[07:04] <abaddon> TJ-: XD Well...long story short.... I want a script that list out the dirs of desktop. Then another script to form a proper .lnk file using the variables created with cut1 and cut2 idesktop
[07:05] <icloud> juiced, yeah but it will be nice to have adb
[07:05] <Kirsty23>  Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://tinyurl.com/ozfvxy3
[07:05] <_-Tom-Tom-_> ok
[07:05] <abaddon> this all is sent to idesktop to createn icons quickly
[07:05] <icloud> juiced, or i can ssh into it
[07:05] <TJ-> abaddon: You mean: "find ~/Desktop -maxdepth 1 -type d"
[07:05] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: TJ- *this is all is sent to idesktop to createn icons quickly
[07:05] <ki7mt> crate an array from the <list then do whatever for each in the array.
[07:06] <_-Tom-Tom-_> @abaddon try to get dirs with find . -type d -maxdepth 1
[07:07] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: TJ- I can then cut up the variable with sed?
[07:08] <TJ-> abaddon: What do you want the final output to look like?
[07:09] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: TJ- un momento
[07:10] <abaddon> !pastebin
[07:10] <TJ-> abaddon: You said ".lnk" files, but do you mean Symbolic links in the file-system, or is '.lnk' some desktop environment file format?
[07:10] <geirha> abaddon: do not use the $[...] syntax in bash
[07:12] <_-Tom-Tom-_> .lnk -> Link file
[07:12] <_-Tom-Tom-_> but looks like windows link file
[07:12] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: TJ- here is the desired output http://paste.ubuntu.com/8355924/ Keep in miond, the file is a byproduct of the script I am making. The script pulls the list of folders in desktop; then it does several if statements to match up to a specific format in the pastebin link
[07:13] <abaddon> TJ-: yeah, the .lnk files are referenced by idesktop which then uses the settings within to draw icons on the desktop
[07:13] <geirha> no, that's not what your script does
[07:13] <_-Tom-Tom-_> @abaddon and what variable you deserve to get through the script
[07:14] <_-Tom-Tom-_> only pcmd
[07:14] <abaddon> geirha: it's not even close to being finished....
[07:14] <TJ-> abaddon: So what output is expected from the dir-list script, I see two lines which need something slightly different on each?
[07:15] <fancyfetus> hey guys, I'm on my beloved ubuntu now
[07:15] <fancyfetus> 13.04
[07:15] <fancyfetus> But I can't seem to update to 13.10....
[07:15] <guite> fancyfetus: update to 14.04 :p
[07:16] <fancyfetus> guite, I can't seem to update to anything...
[07:16] <fancyfetus> sudo apt-get update returns a whole lot of errors
[07:16] <fancyfetus> and the software updater can't find a thing!
[07:16] <abaddon> TJ-: When I get to the if then parts of the script it'll choose between some settings to flesh out the icon.link file. The script needs to pull the name and icon extension to set particuler parameters to the icon.lnk file
[07:16] <guite> oh… “sudo do-release-upgrade” doesn’t work ?
[07:16] <_-Tom-Tom-_> !pasteinit http://paste.ubuntu.com/8355942/
[07:17] <geirha> abaddon: the directories have extensions?
[07:17] <fancyfetus> guite, it returns a ton of errors
[07:17] <guite> fancyfetus: oh ok, hmmmm… you should pastebin your errors and see if someone can help
[07:17] <rtwk> irc.freenode.net
[07:17] <abaddon> so I need the name say [desura] and then its extension say [.desktop] to be split into two variables
[07:17] <_-Tom-Tom-_> !pastebint http://paste.ubuntu.com/8355942/
[07:17] <guite> !paste | fancyfetus
[07:17] <geirha> _-Tom-Tom-_: Several bad practices in there
[07:17] <_-Tom-Tom-_> hmm
[07:18] <abaddon> geirha: I phrased poorly, it'll be the files within the Desktop dir more specifically
[07:19] <fancyfetus> guite, I will as soon as the command is finished
[07:19] <fancyfetus> oh... it seemed as if it workd
[07:20] <fancyfetus> 7 installed packages are no longer supported by Canonical.
[07:20] <fancyfetus> etc etc
[07:20] <guite> who is admin here ?
[07:20] <geirha> abaddon: and you want to add .lnk at the end of each filename?
[07:22] <abaddon> geirha: _-Tom-Tom-_ TJ- So the intent of the script is to go through, list out the files in the Desktop dir then split the names up into two variables which would then be passed down to an if then statement to select some predefined setting which will then get writtent to a icon.lnk file which manages the settings for desktop icons and it's launches of programs.
[07:23] <abaddon> geirha: in the end yes, it'll be like: steam.lnk ; ristretto.lnk ; spacefm.lnk; etc. All of which will have settings for drawing those icons to the desktop.
[07:24] <geirha> abaddon: so like this?  for file in ~/Desktop/*; do printf '<%s> -> <%s>\n' "$file" "${file%.*}.lnk"; done
[07:26] <TJ-> abaddon: something like: "find ~/Desktop -maxdepth 1 -type f | sed -n 's,^.*/\(.*\)\(\..*\)$,\1 \2 , p'  "
[07:27] <abaddon> geirha: mmmmmm, Well, that just seems to copy the file name and set's it to a .lnk extension. It's partially there but the name isn't important really. It could be icon1.lnk icon2.lnk, etc. The important part is the settings within the .lnk file. Ie, it's exacute parameters, it's official name when on the desktop, it's height, width, and xy positioning.
[07:27] <elewis> !social
[07:28] <_-Tom-Tom-_> abaddon so make your own for loop
[07:28] <_-Tom-Tom-_> now you have the variable $file you can use
[07:29] <_-Tom-Tom-_> echo -e "xyz \nabc \ndef" and so on
[07:30] <abaddon> TJ-: XD So, I must admit something to you all... I really suck at scripting.... I can't really tell what your script is doing per-say.... I was trying to make a for loop or rather a while loop because the script had to read each line in the lists.txt file and split the names up to its variables.
[07:30] <mugenzebra> hi all, I connect my wireless mouse and it does not respond, I did lsusb before and after plugin the bluetooth adapter, and I saw no device removed, I am gussing the bluetooth adapter is dead, is that right?
[07:31] <_-Tom-Tom-_> @abaddon: Where do you get your variables from?
[07:31] <elewis> Hello
[07:31] <geirha> abaddon: I recommend reading http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide for learning bash
[07:31] <TJ-> abaddon: It writes out "name ext" of each regular file in ~/Desktop/
[07:31] <_-Tom-Tom-_> like caption width and so on
[07:31] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: Basically, the loop was going to set those variables then send it to the evential if then part of the script which would build the icon.lnk file.
[07:32] <_-Tom-Tom-_> so you have always same width height x1 and y1
[07:33] <abaddon> TJ-: I thought so, XD OK, while yes the name i important to a degree it's the setting that'll be the most important.
[07:33] <_-Tom-Tom-_> caption command and pix is derived from filename?
[07:33] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: Nope, those will be derived differently, XD
[07:34] <abaddon> I gave you part of the script that was/is going to be in the if then section. Byut the settings are present in that example
[07:35] <indn1234> I installed Ubuntu, then win8 dual boot, restored grub. Now I want to format and delete my windows partition - will it delete/modify the GRUB?
[07:35] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: sorry, so many ppl talking to me. XD The variabl;es will be dervied from the if then statyements i'll be putting in
[07:37] <Bobbo> indn1234: um; it shouldn't do. =/
[07:38] <apinsv>  indn1234: If you reload Win8 then it will
[07:38] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: What I want to do right at the moment is get the extension and name seperated into two seperate variables. The name will be associated with the Caption part of the settings file. The extension will determin the Command to be used in the file.
[07:39] <indn1234> Bobbo: apinsv : okay guys, so where is my GRUB installed at the moment?
[07:39] <juiced> indn1234: no it won't but you'll want to update the grub menu with your working distro.
[07:40] <indn1234> juiced: why would I want to update GRUB? It already has the entry for Ubuntu!
[07:40] <juiced> to get rid of the now-gone windows entry on it
[07:40] <hillary> I get this error every time "System program problem detected" i have press the report button but no help. ubuntu 12.04
[07:42] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: So say i've got book.pdf as a file in my Desktop dir. The script will split the name into book and .pdf. Then book will be associated with the Caption setting while .pdf will determin the command to be used to exec that fil. The rest of the settings get pumped out to say book.lnk which will be stored in ~/.idesktop/ where in idesktop[which draws the icons] will reference the settings within
[07:42] <abaddon> book.lnk
[07:44] <energizer> I'm trying to get netflix to work as here: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/08/netflix-linux-html5-support-plugins
[07:44] <_-Tom-Tom-_> fullname: f="${variable##*/}"
[07:44] <energizer> but when I try to install the packages it recommends, i get errors
[07:45] <_-Tom-Tom-_> extension: e="${variable##*.}"
[07:45] <apinsv> grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[07:45] <energizer> dpkg gives this errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8356094/
[07:47] <Matsy> Hey everyone! For some reason, my 14.04 installation has disabled SSH access. The service itself is running, but I am not able to connect to it, not even locally. Any ideas? All I get is 'connection refused'
[07:47] <apinsv> enable port 22 in ufw
[07:47] <Matsy> UFW is not even enabled
[07:47] <geirha> abaddon: why not use the default command for each type of file? e.g. by using xdg-open as the command to open all
[07:48] <Matsy> 'service ufw status -> ufw stop/waiting'
[07:48] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: geirha I'm not following?
[07:48] <apinsv> try enabling it and allow ssh
[07:49] <geirha> abaddon:  ''xdg-open file.pdf''    # will open the pdf file with the default program for pdf files. As if you double clicked it
[07:49] <Matsy> apinsv: No results. Still no access.
[07:49] <apinsv> check sudo gedit /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[07:49] <Matsy> Enabled SSH globally using 'ufw allow ssh'
[07:50] <Matsy> Did that, it's listening on port 22
[07:50] <apinsv> Matsy:change PermitRootLogin no into PermitRootLogin yes. Finally restart ssh service.
[07:52] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: mmmmmm, That could work.... it'd save me from having to split it. I'd then only need to pull it's respective name. Whih would save me a sed command,lol
[07:52] <abaddon> XD
[07:52] <Matsy> apinsv: Still connection refused
[07:52] <_-Tom-Tom-_> yes
[07:53] <apinsv> Matsy:sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[07:53] <Matsy> apinsv: Same thing
[07:53] <juiced> Matsy: maybe change the port its listening on to 2222 and check again.
[07:53] <juiced> Matsy: to rule out the port 22
[07:54] <nishi> how to install free gate
[07:54] <abaddon> geirha: See, this script is intended to save me "time"[i haven't saved any with my poor script writing] in creating seperate icons for my desktop. It's intended to automate much of the work through a generic script that does most of the heavy lifting.
[07:54] <Matsy> juiced: Did that. Still connection refused
[07:54] <Matsy> I am assuming it is something in the config file
[07:54] <Matsy> But I don't know what
[07:54] <apinsv> Matsy: Are you using it in a virtual box'
[07:55] <Matsy> apinsv: The machine is installed on a large vSphere cluster
[07:55] <Matsy> So, a dedicated VM for this Ubuntu box
[07:55] <juiced> Matsy: also check what address it's listening on. if you alter the listening address it becomes a whitelist of only those addresses.
[07:55] <Matsy> juiced, 0.0.0.0
[07:55] <apinsv> Matsy: Promiscuous mode: Allow VMs
[07:55] <abaddon> geirha: So using xdg could deff help...I'll try that. It's just xdg-command blah.mp3; correct?
[07:55] <Matsy> apinsv: The strange thing is: it used to work before
[07:56] <Matsy> apinsv: It just randomly stopped working
[07:56] <geirha> abaddon: xdg-open blah.mp3
[07:56] <apinsv> Matsy: Any changes in network settings
[07:56] <juiced> Matsy: can you establish any other connection to the localhost, such as telnet?
[07:56] <Matsy> juiced, Yeah
[07:57] <Matsy> There's a few services running on there, including some weird XML-service. I can access that freely.
[07:57] <Matsy> apinsv: No, not at all
[07:57] <abaddon> geirha: Oh, sorry XD I don't suppose you know where the xdg settings are located? I'm not sure if my system opens all files the way I want them to be opened..
[07:57] <Matsy> ... Why didn't I think of this
[07:57] <Matsy> I just reinstalled SSH
[07:57] <Matsy> And all is working fine
[07:57] <juiced> Matsy: if it were me, i'd purge and reinstall.
[07:58] <Matsy> Yeah, I just did that
[07:58] <juiced> matsy: snap :)
[07:58] <Matsy> apt-get remove -- purge openssh-server && apt-get install openssh-server
[07:58] <Matsy> 2 second resolutioin
[07:58] <Matsy> *resolution
[07:58] <juiced> Matsy: so did you change the config file at all before it broke?
[07:58] <Matsy> juiced, No, I never mess with it
[07:58] <geirha> abaddon: then changing the default application for opening the given file-type may be an idea. You only have to do it once for each type
[07:58] <Matsy> It seems pretty great out of the box
[08:00] <juiced> Matsy: weird. yeah, but you may want to change hte listening interface to just localhost & your lan address, for instance. to block outside connections.
[08:00] <geirha> abaddon: just right-click a file, select "Properties", go to "Open with" tab, change the default application for that file type.
[08:00] <Matsy> juiced: I do need external access, though
[08:00] <geirha> abaddon: after that, xdg-open will use that application for those types of files
[08:01] <Matsy> Every VM has its own public IP address for that reason
[08:02] <abaddon> geirha: yeah...It'd be faster if there were a settings file I could edit,lol. There are waaaaay too many file types for me to want to rclick 'em all and change their settings.
[08:02] <abaddon> geirha: I'll live if not...but...it'd nice
[08:02] <nishi> how to install free gate
[08:03] <juiced> Matsy: fair enough. i know when i was doing some research i saw a lot of port scans and brute force attempts on my ssh server. no doubt you see the same in your logs.
[08:03] <Matsy> Yeah, a lot of them indeed
[08:03] <Matsy> But after 5 failed attempts, they're blocked out for an hour
[08:03] <geirha> abaddon: ~/.local/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
[08:03] <Matsy> Most of the clients that work on this machine have SSH keys anyway
[08:04] <TJ-> abaddon: "while read F; do BN=${F##*/}; N=${BN%%.*}; E=${BN##*.}; MT=$(file -b --mime-type "$F") XO=$(xdg-mime query default $MT); echo -e "$N $E $MT $XO"; done < <(find ~/Desktop -maxdepth 1 -type f) "
[08:04] <geirha> abaddon: which overrides the global one: /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
[08:04] <apinsv> nishi: you will need to install wine to install free gate
[08:05] <viktor89> Hi everyone. I was really hoping somebody could help me figure out what I am doing wrong here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/524599/kernel-initd-boot-settings . I feel i am so close to having the dual boot working, but still far :(
[08:05] <geirha> TJ-: I recommend not using uppercase variable names
[08:05] <TJ-> geirha: recommend away; everyone has their own style
[08:06] <beeny89> hi people
[08:06] <geirha> TJ-: Environment variables and special shell variables are uppercase. By using uppercase variable names, you risk overriding those by accident. So it's not a matter of style.
[08:06] <abaddon> geirha: TJ- Thanks you two, this'll help =]
[08:06] <TJ-> geirha: I recommend always using upper case for variable names in shell code examples, so they stand out and can be easily parsed by novices
[08:07] <geirha> TJ-: Well, that's the opposite of what we advice in #bash
[08:07] <beeny89> hi i am new to ubuntu and I'm presented beeny89
[08:08] <TJ-> geirha: That's your prerogative
[08:08] <juiced> viktor89: are you sure that's the right kernel name? that's pretty old.
[08:08] <viktor89> no, I am fairly sure it's the wrong
[08:08] <viktor89> I just don't know what the right one for ubuntu 14.04 is :/
[08:09] <TJ-> viktor89: GRUB is being told to set its 'root' file-system based on finding a particular file; if that file no longer exists, then it won't set its root
[08:10] <viktor89> TJ- yes, that's how far I've gotten in my search for a solution. Just need to konw what I should set kernel at.
[08:10] <beeny89> someone speaks Spanish ??
[08:10] <juiced> viktor89: you'd be better off letting OS prober do its thing. can you use a live USB to recreate the grub.cfg
[08:10] <DJones> !es | beeny89
[08:11] <viktor89> it's a completely fresh installation
[08:11] <beeny89> gracias
[08:11] <viktor89> I haven't touched the grub.cfg
[08:12] <juiced> viktor89: i have initrd.img-3.13.0-35-generic, but the install media wouldn't have come with it
[08:12] <Ben64> on 14.04, how do i make the software updater act more like 12.04? it's quite annoying now, popping up a window occasionally telling me to reboot.
[08:13] <viktor89> juiced I think the current ubuntu14.04 comes with vmlinuz3.14.4, doesn't it?
[08:13] <juiced> viktor89: i think the install media comes with 3.13.0-32 with the 14.04.1 releaqse
[08:13] <abaddon> geirha: TJ- You guys wont believe it... but I somehow fixed the script. o.o
[08:13] <viktor89> juiced: I'll try setting that
[08:13] <abaddon> !pastebin
[08:14] <abaddon> geirha: TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/8356257/ I don't know what I did diff here....
[08:15] <viktor89> juiced maybe I should try to reinstall ubuntu. I think the issue is because I selected the wrong bootloader location upon installing ubuntu
[08:16] <viktor89> should I set bootloader location to the same drive as windows7 is installed?
[08:16] <juiced> viktor89: what you may need to do is load up a live USB and mount sda2 to find which file it is. you could also chroot into it and then grub-mkconfig
[08:16] <juiced> viktor89: might be the easiest way, if it's a fresh install.
[08:16] <viktor89> I haven't been able to boot into it so it is pretty clean
[08:17] <viktor89> but could the issue be caused from a wrong bootloader location on installation?
[08:17] <viktor89> I selected bootloader location to be the same as where I installed ubuntu
[08:17] <viktor89> (my 2nd harddrive)
[08:17] <eeee> viktor89: then you have to set your bios to boot the second hdd
[08:17] <viktor89> but I still want windows
[08:18] <juiced> viktor89: does the windows boot since changing the bootloader?
[08:18] <eeee> viktor89: then boot it, and grub-install on the 1st hdd
[08:18] <viktor89> yes, windows works fine
[08:18] <eeee> ( i think that'd work )
[08:19] <viktor89> will grub install on my 1st hdd still allow windows booting?
[08:19] <juiced> eeee: he can't boot though. thats why i suggested a chroot into the install to run the reconfig
[08:19] <eeee> viktor89: i think grub should pick up windows, juiced can't he select it to boot from the bios?
[08:20] <viktor89> I think I can boot into it via bios. The whole problem probably is that I have grub installed on the 2nd hdd and not the main hdd
[08:20] <juiced> eeee: he's got a working grub (even though it's on the 2nd hdd)
[08:20] <juiced> viktor89: the problem is something overwrote the correct entry for ubuntu when you were fixing it
[08:20] <viktor89> there never was a correct entry I think
[08:21] <viktor89> I used easybcd within windows to try and get a boot selection screen
[08:22] <viktor89> I will remove neogrub from windows
[08:22] <minimec> viktor89: I would indeed switch the boot harddisk in the BIOS. What you did was not that stupid. You have probably two 'working' master boot sectors, one for windows only on the first harddrive, and one on the second harddrive with dual boot win/ubuntu
[08:23] <viktor89> yes
[08:23] <viktor89> is it correct that I should have selected my windows hdd for bootloader location when I installed ubuntu?
[08:23] <eeee> ^^^ if windows is there, then all you'd have to do is keep the second hdd selected as the boot device
[08:23] <viktor89> I selected the 2nd hdd
[08:23] <juiced> viktor89: all you need is grub-mkconfig to rebuild the menu correctly. whether you chroot into your sda2 or reinstall from scratch
[08:24] <viktor89> how would i chroot?
[08:24] <eeee> viktor89: what you effectively did is make a standalone installation + bootloader on the second hdd,
[08:24] <viktor89> yes, eeee
[08:24] <eeee> viktor89: so it depends if you want a "portable" installation, then you did the correct thing
[08:24] <viktor89> that's what I thought would work
[08:24] <TJ-> viktor89: You're currently editing GRUB's grub.cfg from Windows, is that correct?
[08:24] <workerbeetwo> How to change the default gateway savely without cutting oneself off this ssh connection?
[08:24] <viktor89> Im not sure. I am using easyBCD to correct the boot screen from within windows
[08:25] <viktor89> I don't know what that does
[08:25] <eeee> viktor89: i think it's the best, since if you remove the second hdd, you will still have windows, and if it's there you'll have both
[08:25] <viktor89> exactly what I wanted
[08:27] <Horsemeds> can someone help me with a wifi problem on ubuntu 14.04?
[08:27] <bcvery1> !ask | Horsemeds
[08:29] <Horsemeds> After installing Ubuntu 14.04 on a laptop no wifi connections were detected. After suspending then waking the system wifi networks became visible and I was able to connect. On subsequent suspensions the connection stops and restarts again after waking. For now I simply prevent subsequent suspends with power options and the connection, once established, stays stable.
[08:30] <juiced> viktor89: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing - ctrl-F, sorry the subsection doesn't link
[08:30] <viktor89> well, now ubuntu booted, after I prioritized it over hdd1 in bios
[08:30] <viktor89> so it's not that the hdd cannot boot into ubuntu. I just can't select the option on startup
[08:31] <juiced> viktor89: congrats, i did wonder if your computer was only looking at the 1st disk bootloader
[08:32] <viktor89> I guess that it was. I have to walk my dog quickly. Will return after :D
[08:39] <hackeron> I have a strange problem where memory is leaking but not showing up in top/ps/ps_mem/slabtop/etc - any ideas at all how to figure out where it is going? < http://superuser.com/questions/793192/what-is-using-up-all-my-memory-ubuntu-14-04-lts-server/795352
[08:42] <geirha> hackeron: How do you determine it is leaking?
[08:46] <hackeron> geirha: 1771MB of ram is used up (not by buffers/caches) after killing every single process imaginable - did you look at the superuser link?
[08:50] <Matsy> hackeron, Why is the apt-get process still running
[08:51] <hackeron> Matsy: I was just updating the kernel at the time to see if that helps, but same exact result with the latest kernel
[08:51] <BQ> does apt-get provide option for alternative installation location?
[08:53] <fabrizio_> i need help:
[08:53] <bcvery1> !ask | fabrizio_
[08:54] <fabrizio_> how install olivetti 200 key?
[08:54] <fabrizio_> on ubuntu studio?
[08:55] <juiced> hackeron: perhaps the kernel has somehow lost track of a large quantity of memory allocation through a bug. did you reboot when you install the new kernel?
[08:56] <fabrizio_> how install the internet key "olivetti 200" on ubuntu studio?
[08:56] <BQ> what is difference between ubuntu cloud, server and desktop?
[08:58] <fabrizio_> some body can help me? i need to install olivetti 200 internet key on ubuntu studio
[09:00] <hackeron> juiced: yes, of course - currently running 3.13.0-36-generic #63-Ubuntu and rebooted 5 days ago - it's leaked most of the memory already but not completely out yet
[09:01] <juiced> hackeron: sweet, was just trying to determine if this persists across reboots.
[09:06] <Sycrido> Hi, I've created a usb repository, but how do I add packages to it?
[09:10] <bajin-lee> hi,i wonder that how to use ubuntu to setup a wifi for andriod?
[09:11] <juiced> hackeron: very odd, and quite intriguing. maybe dmesg has clues in it regarding memory allocation problems.
[09:12] <k1l> bajin-lee: you mean tether internet?
[09:12] <hackeron> juiced: this is the output: http://pastie.org/9558255 -- can't seem to see anything, hmmmm
[09:12] <hackeron> juiced: and yeh, if I could see what is using the memory, then I could report a more meaningful bug, but the memory just disapepars somewhere without a trace without any way of recovering it without a reboot :/
[09:13] <bajin-lee> k1l,is it possible that setup a wifi hotspot for my andriod pad to use?
[09:13] <k1l> bajin-lee: you are connected with ethernet?
[09:13] <bajin-lee> yeah
[09:14] <minimec> bajin-lee: http://askubuntu.com/questions/359856/share-wireless-internet-connection-through-ethernet
[09:15] <bajin-lee> k1l,i had connect my pc with ethernet by dsl
[09:15] <bajin-lee> minimec,thanks!
[09:15] <k1l> bajin-lee: the networkmanager can do that
[09:16] <eleves> hi
[09:19] <Vladimir> What kind of encryption does scp have?
[09:20] <k1l> Vladimir: http://superuser.com/questions/319833/how-is-ssh-scp-rsync-encrypted
[09:21] <Vladimir> k1l: it says that everything is encrypted, and others can't even se that there even is a transfer, I don't understand that since there is an encrypted traffic
[09:22] <bajin-lee> k1l,thanks.but how to open hte networkmanager
[09:22] <k1l> Vladimir: i dont understand your problem at all? it uses the same encryption as ssh
[09:23] <bajin-lee> minimec,it seems not like wifi hotspot
[09:24] <Caramoan> how to openGL in ubuntu 14.04
[09:25] <waterloo2005> Can I install the latest python 3.4.1 in ubuntu 12.04 manually ?
[09:26] <minimec> bajin-lee: http://askubuntu.com/questions/60980/how-to-share-a-wired-internet-connection-via-wifi
[09:35] <berta2020> Hola
[09:35] <berta2020> tengo un problemilla
[09:35] <berta2020> tengo Ubuntu instalado en todo el disco, pero quiero hacer esa particion mas pequeña para poder instalar otra sistema operativa al lado
[09:36] <BQ> does linux have a notion of system/data separation? like readonly system partition and user data partition?
[09:36] <berta2020> al intentar utilizar gparted no me deja porque el disco deberia ser desmontado pero al ser la particion de ubuntu no puedo
[09:36] <k1l> !es | berta2020
[09:37] <k1l> BQ: you can make a seperate partition for the user data stuff, which is the /home folder
[09:38] <BQ> k11: how about system and third party apps?
[09:39] <BQ> k11: can they separate?
[09:40] <minimec> BQ: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/09/linux-file-system-structure/
[09:41] <BQ> what I want is a relatively stable system partition which can be replaced easily without affect third party apps and user data installed.
[09:42] <k1l> BQ: no. since 3rd party apps need to interact with the system that is not an easy task
[09:43] <k1l> you could install them into /opt but in most cases they still need to interact or have depencies
[09:45] <BQ> dependency does not matter much as long as they point to right folder. what interaction are they?
[09:45] <ratzes> Hi, I am going to install ubuntu from a usb stick, and I know that I can install my proprietary wifi driver from there, however, I can't install it from offline in my installed ubuntu. I was wondering if there is a way to make these drivers available in my offline ubuntu install
[09:49] <BQ_> k11: in android there is a clear separation between system and data. note that android is based on linux. so I think for linux it is an issue of tradition, not technical.
[09:50] <M4tt0> Hi experts! Having problems with my boot.log (14.04). The upstart service logs do not appear anymore. The whole boot.log is very short, starting with Skipping profile in /etc/apparmor.d/disable: usr.sbin.rsyslogd, then "Loading the saved-state of the serial devices...", and that is almost it. Want my boot.log back!  :D  Does anybody know how to solve this?
[09:51] <k1l> BQ_: if you want to talk about linux in general please ask in ##linux . we stick to the ubuntu setup in here which is based on the package system with the ubuntu repos
[09:52] <Matsy> .
[09:54] <trisquelex> gnuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[09:54] <BQ_> k11: I also use ubuntu. so in practice you just have one big mixed partition?
[09:56] <k1l> BQ_: like i told: a comon setup is to have a seperate /home partition
[09:56] <minimec> BQ_: No. As stated above, you are free to partition your harddrive or even use multiple drives for one installation. User data is separated in /home. Apps are normally in /usr or /opt. System relevant apps in /sbin...
[09:57] <ratzes> why is it that I can install my wifi drivers from "try ubuntu", but not after I install?
[09:57] <phu> Hi guys does anyone have knowledge over access logs?
[09:58] <touki> Hi guys, I have an ubuntu (on a VM on a Server). I can connect to it via ssh, but it seems the machine is not able to resolve hostnames at all.
[09:59] <touki> Concretely I can't ping or wget anythin
[10:01] <BQ> minimec: how much the system partition should be then? because all apps are going to be installed in system partition, there is no way to predict how much to be used. eventually full disk.
[10:01] <k1l> ratzes: most times its license issues. just get a ethernet cable and install the wifi driver on first time
[10:02] <k1l> BQ: a common desktop is in the 5-15GB range
[10:02] <k1l> BQ: (for the / partition with seperate /home partition)
[10:03] <ratzes> k11: is there a way thats easier than hauling my desktop down to the basement?
[10:03] <touki> In fact the serv can ping an ip but not solve a hostname.
[10:04] <k1l> ratzes: you can grab that needed package and its depencies on packages.ubuntu.com and install the .deb packages on that system then
[10:04] <k1l> ratzes: transport via usb-pendrive etc
[10:05] <minimec> BQ: 15-20GB should be enough for '/', in case you have a seperate partition for /home. My way to install Ubuntu is two partitions. '/' and '/home'. I do not have a /swap anymore. I do either crete a swapfile or use zram swap. So I would have one partition with ~20GB for '/' inkluding a swapfile and the second partition for /home. I agree that system and apps are 'mixed' in '/', but I do not see a problem with that.
[10:05] <BQ> k11: 15GB is too small I think. I guess apt-get install will quickly put the / partition in full.
[10:05] <ratzes> k11: ok, this seems really crazy, but I appreciate the help
[10:06] <k1l> BQ: i have a full desktop (with a lot of latex stuff etc) on here with 10GB /. but you can make it 50GB if you like.
[10:07] <CodeGos6> i have intel integrated gpu and nvidia gpu, i do have proprietry drivers installed for both, when im on nvidia gpu  everything works fine, however  when i try to use intel gpu ( make integrated gpu primary in bios and plug monitor to it ) it will boot to black screen,i am only able to boot in safe graphics mode, can someone help me please
[10:09] <minimec> CodeGos6: THe problem is, that you need a /etc/X11/xorg.conf for the nvidia restricted driver. So when you switch to intel, the system cannot 'understand' /etc/X11/xorg.conf IMHO. you would have to 'sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg-nvidia.conf
[10:11] <BQ> k11: another question, if I want to install apps into /opt, how do i do with apt-get install?
[10:11] <k1l> BQ: you dont.
[10:11] <CodeGos6> is it generaly fine to just move all files starting with xorg.conf from that directory?
[10:12] <Matsy> minimec, Can't you just use nvidia-xorg to configure the second card?
[10:12] <CodeGos6> i dont have xorg.conf but rather xorg.conf~ and xorg.conf.backup,xorg.conf.failsafe,xorg.conf.nvidia-xconfig-original
[10:12] <k1l> BQ: /opt is for 3rd party stuff that will break your system and is put into /opt to not interfer with the system. things from the ubuntu repos is made to work with the system so no need for that.
[10:12] <minimec> CodeGos6: /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the only relevant file
[10:13] <Matsy> CodeGos6, Do you have Optimus?
[10:19] <xcasex> i should make a list of ubuntu native apps for tumblrs or something haha
[10:19] <BQ> minimec: thanks. how much for your swap file?
[10:20] <BQ> minimec: yes i saw the your file system structure link. /opt is for apps from source code.
[10:22] <Monkey_b> noob question but google isn't yielding results, or im asking the wrong question i'm unsure but, with regards to key-based ssh authentication, do i always have to specify what private key to use when connecting in the command itself?
[10:22] <Ben64> Monkey_b: no
[10:22] <minimec> BQ: Depends... If you use a laptop and want to 'hibernate', You need at least 1:1 memory:swap (I would do 1.2 times RAM). For my Desktop system I use a zram config with swap in RAM. I have 16GB RAM on that desktop.
[10:23] <bajin-lee__> hi, how to swift my input ?
[10:23] <Monkey_b> Ben64: no i dont have to specify the private key each time i connect?
[10:23] <bajin-lee__> i have some trouble in chinese input
[10:24] <Ben64> Monkey_b: correct
[10:25] <Monkey_b> so copying the private key to ~./ssh should do the trick?
[10:25] <karab44> hello
[10:25] <Monkey_b> err ~/.ssh/
[10:26] <karab44> is there new set of window animation after last update or do I have fata morgana?
[10:26] <karab44> :D
[10:26] <cfhowlett> kylin | bajin-lee__,
[10:26] <cfhowlett> !kylin | baijin
[10:27] <BQ> minimec: I use a laptop with 8G ram. so swap should be 10G according to what you say.
[10:27] <Monkey_b> got it
[10:27] <Monkey_b> thanks
[10:27] <Monkey_b> just had to ssh-add it
[10:28] <bajin-lee__> thanks, but what i use is ubuntu studio...
[10:29] <cfhowlett> bajin-lee__, same here... be aware that you can add the US packages to kylin or any other distro.
[10:29] <cfhowlett> ubuntu distro that is
[10:29] <minimec> BQ: If you want to 'hibernate' the system, you would need to have at least 8GB. Now I never hibernate (I only suspend). I do not use a 8GB swap for my 8GB RAM Laptop. I have a 4GB swapfile
[10:30] <bajin-lee__> sorry, but i don't know what you mean
[10:30] <BQ> minimec: but i wonder if you have 16G ram, why you need swap at all?
[10:30] <cfhowlett> bajin-lee__, you can install ubuntustudio packages to any other ubuntu  distro - so if you prefer to combine kylin + ubuntustudio ...
[10:32] <bajin-lee__> cfhowlett, is it possible? how to achieve it?
[10:32] <thecha> hi, make make file configure how does this work
[10:32] <thecha> when i have a tar file what do i do to get to a working isntalled file on ubuntu 12
[10:33] <minimec> BQ: Goo point. As stated I have a virtual swap in RAM on that 16GB RAM desktop. It's like a security mesure, in case that RAM gets full, nothing else. Also it seems, that there are still some apps that are programmed to put some rarely used stuff into swap, even if there is still plenty of RAM available
[10:33] <bajin-lee__> cfhowlett, can i add kylin to my studio?
[10:33] <Ben64> thecha: you should not install software via that method unless you know what you're doing
[10:33] <cfhowlett> bajin-lee__, yes, let me work it out
[10:34] <bajin-lee__> cfhowlett, thanks. wait for you.
[10:35] <SP33D> is there any wirred desktop cache?
[10:35] <BQ> minimec: oh ok. do you have any concern for suspend rather than hibernate?
[10:35] <SP33D> i got some files on desktop delete them via console console shows no files
[10:35] <SP33D> but X does show files on desktop and even in PCFMan
[10:36] <SP33D> whats going on there?
[10:36] <thecha> when i have a tar file what do i do to get to a working isntalled file on ubuntu 12
[10:36] <Ben64> thecha: what are you trying to install
[10:36] <thecha> latest version of gnash
[10:36] <BQ> minimec: suspend means power on ?
[10:36] <thecha> you know gnash?
[10:37] <Ben64> !info gnash
[10:37] <Ben64> that gnash? the one in the repositories that  you don't need to mess with a tar?
[10:37] <minimec> BQ: I have always preferred 'suspend' to 'hibernate'. Suspend means 'suspend to RAM'. --> Laptop goes into low power sleep mode.
[10:37] <cfhowlett> bajin-lee__, you've got an ubuntu base installed.  adding kylin *should* be sudo apt-get install ubuntukylin-desktop but ... no
[10:37] <EiriksUbuntu> yesterday, i turned on the bottom right hotspot for window changer... awesome
[10:38] <thecha> it is an alternative swf player like adobe flash player
[10:38] <cfhowlett> bajin-lee__, suggest you go to the ubuntukylin page and contact them for support.  It's quite easy, but after 2 years in China .... I don't speak Chinese.
[10:38] <Ben64> thecha: right, so do "sudo apt-get install gnash"
[10:38] <SP33D> Ben
[10:39] <SP33D> he should do update befor
[10:39] <Ben64> SP33D
[10:39] <thecha> and this gets the lates version or the version that was there when ubuntu 12 came out?
[10:39] <SP33D> else that will proball fail because its universe
[10:39] <bajin-lee__> cfhowlett,  thanks
[10:39] <Ben64> thecha: it gets the latest version in 12.04
[10:39] <thecha> so not hte overall latest version?
[10:39] <Ben64> !latest | thecha
[10:40] <BQ> minimec: so that is sleep mode which still consumes power.
[10:40] <thecha> ther eis a massive improbvemnt in the gnash
[10:40] <thecha> it was basicalyl only able to play low quality youtube videos
[10:40] <Ben64> thecha: then you're on your own for installing it, but i'd recommend against it
[10:40] <thecha> i think the new one can now play everything
[10:40] <BQ> minimec: which means you don't have long break in use your laptop?
[10:40] <Ben64> thecha: alternatively, use the actual flash player, or the pepper one
[10:40] <minimec> BQ: Exactly.
[10:40] <SP33D> thecha
[10:41] <SP33D> use vlc
[10:41] <thecha> yeah that is what i am doing
[10:41] <thecha> using the adobe
[10:41] <SP33D> vlc can play everything
[10:41] <thecha> but i want to be bale to use the newset
[10:41] <thecha> what harm coudl it do
[10:41] <Ben64> a lot
[10:41] <cfhowlett> bajin-lee__, #ubuntukylin-devel           is the channel
[10:41] <SP33D> it ycould referenz libs that arn't there
[10:42] <thecha> if my machine expldes i just uninstall
[10:42] <thecha> oh
[10:42] <thecha> couldnt i just get the dependencies?
[10:42] <minimec> BQ: Well my Lenovo x230 is not using much power in suspend mode. So I can leave it on suspend over the night and continue the next day. That laptop has a 9cell battery...
[10:42] <bajin-lee__> cfhowlett, thanks
[10:42] <Ben64> thecha: again, you're on your own if you wish to go down that path
[10:43] <thecha> wiat i am nt prepard to go down any pathes
[10:43] <SP33D> lol
[10:43] <Ben64> you can't have it both ways
[10:43] <thecha> i guess
[10:43] <SP33D> i whant to die
[10:44] <Ben64> if you want support from this channel, you use the software from the repositories
[10:44] <SP33D> my arms are hurting because i pumped to much yesterday
[10:44] <SP33D> cant move them right
[10:44] <keevitaja> how to clear preload state?
[10:44] <Ben64> SP33D: thats cool, but not on topic
[10:44] <SP33D> i needed to switch topic else i would think about his pathes not prepared joke
[10:44] <SP33D> :D
[10:45] <Horsemeds> After installing Ubuntu 14.04 on a laptop no wifi connections were detected. After suspending then waking the system wifi networks became visible and I was able to connect. On subsequent suspensions the connection stops and restarts again after waking.  can anyone suggest a fix?
[10:45] <SP33D> i am not prepared ot go down any pathes lol
[10:46] <SP33D> Horsemeds try systemd
[10:46] <SP33D> remove upstart
[10:46] <SP33D> its a fail in any part sof your init system so right time to siwtch
[10:46] <k1l> SP33D: that is not helpfull at all
[10:47] <SP33D> don't you think? if his wifi works after suspend it musst be soemthing that gets evented after suspend but not on boto
[10:47] <SP33D> boot i mean so in any case a change of the init system will help
[10:47] <k1l> Horsemeds: try to reload the module for the wifi card. maybe there was some issue on the inital loading
[10:47] <SP33D> systemd real works much bettter
[10:48] <k1l> SP33D: stop that. there is no working system for 14.04 as of now. so its not helpfull
[10:48] <SP33D> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/mw1SheRF
[10:49] <student> hi
[10:49] <Horsemeds> kll and SP33D thanks - im very new to ubuntu so are their instructions on how to do both those things?
[10:49] <SP33D> there isn't? in 14.10 it works out of the box even with a upstart adapter so he can re use most of the upstart stuff
[10:50] <Vladimir> I can't get snmp to work on one of my machines
[10:50] <SP33D> Horsemeds no can't tell you a good way for that because k1l told systemd is not working in 14.04
[10:50] <k1l> SP33D: so you are really trolling a new ubuntu users to use 14.10 and use systemd? stop that.
[10:50] <SP33D> k1l trolling? only because i tell the true thats trolling?
[10:51] <Vladimir> I run snmpwalk -v 1 -c public localhost IP-MIB::ipAdEntIfIndex on the first one and it gets a timeout: no respone from localhost, and on the other one it works :/
[10:51] <Horsemeds> i think ill give that one a miss :)
[10:51] <Vladimir> I have the same snmp config
[10:51] <SP33D> hmmmm need to think about my world view probally it would be more good to never tell true things and point more to simply stay where they are :D
[10:52]  * cfhowlett thinks "No half-measures".
[10:53] <minimec> Horsemeds: Do you have a Wifi hardware switch. Would see a similar effect using that one instead of 'suspend'?
[10:53] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[10:55] <Horsemeds> minimec no there is no physicial swith to turn wifi on or off
[10:56] <Horsemeds> *switch
[10:56] <hateball> Horsemeds: you can use the command "rfkill"
[10:57] <minimec> Horsemeds: Ok. And if you use the software sitch in the panel-wifi-menu. Someting like 'disable wifi'
[10:58] <Horsemeds> minimec they are greyed out when i start up- they are available after waking from suspend
[11:00] <minimec> Horsemeds: Ok. THX for that indication. So it looks like wifi is set 'off' on boot, and is set to 'on' because of the 'suspend-script' of ubuntu. I would boot the laptop again, and do 'rfkill list' in a terminal afterwards. Can you set wifi state in the BIOS?
[11:01] <Horsemeds> minimec no I cant make changes in bios
[11:02] <Vladimir> I use snmpwalk but nothing happens in the log and also I get Timeout: no response
[11:04] <minimec> Horsemeds: Ok. let's check yout wifi device. Try 'lspci | grep Network' in a terminal or just 'lspci' if the forst command gives no results. We want to know what wifi chip you are using.
[11:04] <Horsemeds> ok do i post the resluts in here?
[11:05] <Horsemeds> results*
[11:05] <minimec> Horsemeds: use pastebin.org
[11:05] <Horsemeds> ok
[11:06] <jo_> hi everyone - I've a question about fqdn, perhaps anybody here can help me? on an ubuntu virtual host, hostname, hostname -f and resolveip and everything looks fine and correct, the FQDN is in the /et/hosts but outgoing mails are rejected cause of missing FQDN - the server sends another FQDN. Does anybody know where on an ubuntu-system is another place where the FQDN is registered?
[11:08] <Horsemeds> minimec:    http://paste.ubuntu.com/8357134/
[11:09] <minimec> Horsemeds: Was that you? http://askubuntu.com/questions/524167/no-wifi-after-booting-until-suspend
[11:09] <Horsemeds> minimec yes
[11:11] <alexwu> hi i'm new here
[11:11] <minimec> Horsemeds: Ok. Let's try something... put 'rfkill unblock all' in '/etc/rc.local', right above the 'exit 0' line. then reboot.
[11:12] <Horsemeds> minimec ok brb
[11:12] <_-Tom-Tom-_> @jo_: Edit main.cf from sendmail
[11:14] <jo_> Tom-Tom : thanks for the hint, i'm lokking at that point
[11:22] <cmishra> Anybody play fifa 14 on ubuntu?
[11:22] <Vladimir> is it possible that SELINUX is blocking snmp for me? I haven't touched selinux and only installed and setup snmp on this new machine
[11:23] <ikonia> Vladimir: are you using ubuntu ?
[11:23] <ikonia> or is this for SL ?
[11:25] <Vladimir> ikonia: i use snmpwalk from a ubuntu and the target is an SL
[11:28] <EiriksUbuntu>  is there a video preloader for slow speed connections?
[11:29] <bazhang> EiriksUbuntu, for youtube? or what
[11:30] <jo_> _-Tom-Tom-_: thanks - it worked finde :)
[11:30] <EiriksUbuntu> bazhang for any videos
[11:30] <_-Tom-Tom-_> @jo_: No Prob
[11:30] <Horsemeds> no difference
[11:31] <bazhang> EiriksUbuntu, give an example
[11:32] <minimec> Horsemeds: Ok. May I ask if that machine is an ASUS computer?
[11:32] <Horsemeds> minimec  yes it is
[11:33] <Horsemeds> ASUS F551CA
[11:34] <EiriksUbuntu> I am taking the LFS101x courses, and others, they have videos as a part of the course
[11:34] <minimec> Horsemeds: Ok. So we can probably configure the driver, as described here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2181558 or here http://askubuntu.com/questions/351594/wireless-disabled-by-hardware-switch-on-an-asus-x550v
[11:34] <minimec> Horsemeds: --> echo "options asus_nb_wmi wapf=0" > /etc/modprobe.d/asus.conf
[11:34] <bazhang> EiriksUbuntu, no preloaders, some browsers, such as firefox have video download helper plugins though
[11:34] <minimec> Horsemeds: Others use "options asus_nb_wmi wapf=4"
[11:37] <sar_AA> hi
[11:37] <EiriksUbuntu> bazhang, that's rough... seems like someone would have made something like that so people with bad connections could still be able to see the videos (would be very helpful for many people in the world
[11:37] <sar_AA> I have configured my sshd service (openssh) but If I do /etc/init.d/ssh restart or stop it doesn't work
[11:37] <sar_AA> any ideas why that happens ?
[11:37] <Horsemeds> minimec ok thanks, ill read through that and give it a go
[11:37] <sar_AA> for example if I do /etc/init.d/ssh stop I can still access to the sshd service
[11:39] <_-Tom-Tom-_> @sar --> It used to be sshd ->d<- daemon
[11:39] <bazhang> sar_AA, for debian?
[11:41] <Horsemeds> minimec btw should i leave the changes in rc.local?
[11:41] <sar_AA> both, ubuntu and debian bazhang
[11:42] <minimec> Horsemeds: No. You can remove that line in /etc/rc.local again.
[11:43] <Horsemeds> nminimec ok thanks
[11:43] <Horsemeds> -n
[11:50] <legion> good morning all
[11:50] <RobertPrakigam> Good morning Legion
[11:51] <lokke> hello world, i damaged my graphic drivers and need to install a standard one - can anyone tell me how to do this?
[11:51] <Night_Fury> how did you damage your driver?
[11:51] <lokke> i am online via irssi and have just the terminal to work on ;)
[11:53] <Night_Fury> lets try this again
[11:53] <Night_Fury> HOW did you damage  your driver?
[11:54] <lokke> i installed the "radeonhd" for my HD4890 but this is not sopprted anymore
[11:54] <zulgaban> i think he meant corrupted driver
[11:54] <Night_Fury> yea
[11:54] <Night_Fury> i caught that
[11:54] <Night_Fury> a
[11:54] <lokke> then i tryed to use the up to date open source one but this would not work fine on my displays
[11:54] <Night_Fury> can you not go back and use your open source driver?
[11:54] <Night_Fury> that ususally works for me
[11:55] <lokke> after setting up the size and res on my TV and 2 20" displayl i got 2 black screens and one terminal =D
[11:55] <Night_Fury> >ive done what he did before,..and i learned not to screw with things if its working<
[11:56] <Night_Fury> make sure you ahve the RES set right first off,...if its higher than what the display will show, odd things can ahppen
[11:56] <Night_Fury> happen
[11:56] <Night_Fury> try a default of 1024x768 first off
[11:56] <Night_Fury> IF you can get to it
[11:57] <lokke> Night_Fury: do you can tell me how i can fall back to a standart configuration?
[11:57] <Night_Fury> other than that, someone else will need to field this
[11:57] <Night_Fury> from the update app,...if you can see in on your display,...jsut grab the opensource drivers,...
[11:58] <Night_Fury> and prey
[11:58] <Night_Fury> i do have a command line fix but i dont have it here with me
[11:58] <Night_Fury> good luck
[11:59] <RobertPrakigam>  
[12:00] <tping> Morning.
[12:00] <diverdude> how to do openconnect inside ssh?
[12:02] <diverdude> aha, -b :)
[12:03] <irina_povolotska> #openstack-cinder
[12:03] <dau> hi, I have downloaded the ~500mb ubuntu server 14.04.1 iso, put it on an usb stick, booted with it but for some reason, I cannot do an offline installation. The installation wizard demands a repository mirror. Why is that?
[12:04] <Night_Fury> updates?,..do you have it turned on?
[12:04] <dau> I did not intentionally turn on anything. I just follow the setup instructions like determining the keyboard layout, setting locales and so on.
[12:05] <diverdude> ok i did sudo su, and when i do exit it just says "there are stopped jobs" what does that mean? How do i get out?
[12:05] <dau> and it guides me right to the repository configuration and doesn't let me go past it and does not seem to attempt taking anything from the usb stick
[12:05] <Night_Fury> im not sure of server side install but i have installed 14.04 without a connect.  I would think maybe your asking for updates during install.
[12:06] <Night_Fury> just double check
[12:06] <Night_Fury> seems legit
[12:06] <dau> there is no such option
[12:06] <Night_Fury> what,...to download updates?,...in the standard desktop there is
[12:07] <Night_Fury> ive never done server
[12:07] <dau> me neither. and yes, the previous non-server installation worked fine
[12:08] <Night_Fury> dunno,.....
[12:08] <Lokke> hah! removed the package "xserver-xorg-video-radeon" and installed it again - now i have 1 display that works fine
[12:09] <Night_Fury> WOOHOO!!!!
[12:09] <Night_Fury> your using the open source?
[12:09] <Lokke> yes at the moment
[12:09] <Night_Fury> Ive never got the pther drivers to work for me
[12:09] <Night_Fury> sorry
[12:09] <Night_Fury> ive never got the other drivers to work for me
[12:10] <Night_Fury> I find the opensource to work just fine
[12:11] <Lokke> yes i get strange graphics if i try to use drivers made by other communitys =(
[12:13] <Night_Fury> so far, ive have not been able to use any of the propiatory drivers,....
[12:14] <Night_Fury> Ive got one machine that i try things on,...i spend more time reloading it than actually using it only because of the propriatory stuff
[12:14] <Night_Fury> I stay with opensource
[12:14] <Night_Fury> Opensource works
[12:14] <Night_Fury> :)
[12:17] <Horsemeds> minimec I tried your command however I didnt have permssion so i did it after sudo su - I also tried: echo "options asus_nb_wmi wapf=0" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/asus.conf   no luck with either
[12:18] <Horsemeds> minimec I have tried backports before but it asks for configurtion and I couldnt find a clear enough explanation oh how to configure it
[12:19] <Horsemeds> oh = on
[12:20] <minimec> Horsemeds: What about 'wapf=1' or 'wapf=4' instead of 'wapf=0', as explained here? http://askubuntu.com/questions/351594/wireless-disabled-by-hardware-switch-on-an-asus-x550v
[12:20] <Horsemeds> ok ill try those
[12:21] <Lokke> hmm.. i have a asus m5a78l-3 usb3 with a AMD 760G GPU onBoard - wich driver should i use for displays connected on this ports?
[12:27] <sydney> What is the configuration folder i need to delete to set lubuntu back to normal?
[12:29] <geirha> sydney: back to normal from what?
[12:29] <sydney> is it openbox?
[12:30] <wffwewef> Hi, anyhow know how I can restart network-manager from a cron job? I'm getting "network-manager: unrecognized service", but it runs fine out of the cron
[12:30] <sydney> I messed it up,and i know by deleting the .config file in the /home directory,i will fix it,but i dont know what one is the right one :-/
[12:30] <fProgrammer> wffwewef: Are you restarting using service command in ubuntu
[12:30] <fProgrammer> ?
[12:31] <fProgrammer> `service network-manager restart` ?
[12:31] <wffwewef> fProgrammer: /usr/sbin/service network-manager restart
[12:31] <geirha> wffwewef: probably missing stop and start commands from PATH (they're in /sbin)
[12:32] <geirha> so   PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin; service network-manager restart
[12:32] <sydney> oh well be back later ;)
[12:34] <wffwewef> geirha: Awesome, thanks :)
[12:36] <wangzp> 俺是新手
[12:36] <eric> I'm looking for a good, inexpensive, light weight laptop/notebook/netbook for Ubunut 12.04.  Any recommendations?
[12:36] <cfhowlett> !cn | wangzp
[12:36] <geirha> wffwewef: It's probably the most common problem you hit with cron; that it hardly sets any environment variables, and PATH is just /usr/bin:/bin. http://askubuntu.com/q/23009/9016
[12:37]  * cfhowlett thinks the !cn factoid should include an #ubuntukylin recommendation
[12:37] <mrvik> Hi everyone I am running ubuntu 14.04 on a dell laptop with 4 GB rab and hybrid graphics card AMD and intel but my system keeps on freezing i suppose it has to do with graphics card but have tried everything after searching can anyone please help troubleshoot?
 which video?  WHat does it say when you do "lspci|grep VGA"
[12:39] <bstarek> hello all
[12:40] <mrvik> eric: it says " Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)"
  I haven't seen that one. Let me do a couple quick checks, though.
[12:42] <mrvik> eric: but I have a radeon graphics card as well why doesn't it show up on that command?
[12:44] <BluesKaj> mrvik, try sudo lshw -C video
I'm not sure. I see reports of freezing with the haswell video GPU.
, are you using the xserver-xorg-video-intel package?
[12:46] <Horsemeds> minimec thanks very much for your help!!!  wapf=1  worked!!
[12:47] <mrvik> BluesKaj: eric, sudo lshw -c video gives this https://pastebin.mozilla.org/6516027  I can see my amd graphics here
[12:47] <mrvik> eric: I dont know about xserver-xorg-video-intel how do I check whether am using it or not?
[12:47] <minimec> Horsemeds: Cool. Maybe add your solution to your Ask-Ubuntu post or mark it as 'duplicate' and link to the solution thread...
[12:47] <zubairahmed> mrvik, I dont know if this helps https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads
[12:48] <Horsemeds> minimec yeah i will - cheers!
 perhaps easiest way is to just apt-get insall xserver-xorg-video-intel
[12:50] <eric> if you have the latest, it will tell you, otherwise it will install.
[12:50] <BluesKaj> mrvik, to show drivers in use, lspci -knn | egrep -A 3 'VGA|3D'
[12:50] <mrvik> eric: and yes am running on a 'nomodeset' after updating the grub as it always gave a 'System is running on a low graphics mode" so I updated the grub after reading some answers here
[12:52] <mrvik> BluesKaj: eric , when I run "xrandr --listproviders" I get "Providers: number : 0"
[12:53] <BluesKaj> mrvik, looks to me like your system using the default vesa driver for minimal graphics
[12:53] <mrvik> BluesKaj: "lspci -knn | egrep -A 3 'VGA|3D' shows https://pastebin.mozilla.org/6516150
[12:54] <cfhowlett> mrvik, the intel linux drivers solved quite a few graphics problems.  suggest you get some.
[12:55] <mrvik> cfhowlett: How do I get them? and do they work for hybrid graphics?
[12:55] <puma> HI
[12:56] <BluesKaj> mrvik, cfhowlett makes a good point , but hybrid graphics with intel and amd presents a real challenge in linux
[12:56] <cfhowlett> mrvik, I don't know anything about hybrid.  https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads
[12:56] <mrvik> BluesKaj: when I go to "Additonal drivers" I can see two proprietory drivers 'fglrx' and 'fglrx-updates' but when I select any one of them and reboot my system freezes after boot and does not show icons or pointer so I have to go to command mode and purge fglrs*
[12:58] <mrvik> BluesKaj: I know I have been battling this problem since last month earlier in my old laptop I dint have a dedicated graphics card and it worked like a charm seems graphics card is not a good thing to have for ubuntu, is there a way to use just my intel card and not the amd one as if it was not present at all?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> mrvik, I believe the reason or the freeze is the default lower power gpu is the intel and higher load/power gpu is the radeon, hence when you boot the system your low power graphics isn't available and the system freezes
[12:59] <BluesKaj> as cfhowlett suggested install the intel gpu driver
[13:00] <mrvik> BluesKaj: that makes sense, so is there a way to make make my intel card as default for both or radeon one default for both low and high?
[13:01] <BluesKaj> mrvik, good question, I'm not sure ...the only thing to do is experiment IMO
[13:01] <BluesKaj> unless someone else has insight into this setup
[13:03] <mrvik> BluesKaj: is it completely not possible to remove my amd graphics card or do some setting so it acts as if it is not there am really very annoyed by this and I really dont need this dedicated graphics card
[13:04] <cfhowlett> mrvik, I would guess there's a way to disable a particular card in the boot options, but IDK how.
[13:05] <BluesKaj> mrvik, check your bios/uefi to see whether there's an option to use one gpu or the other exclusively
[13:05] <mrvik> cfhowlett: BluesKaj , what do you think disabling my dedicated card would solve the problem or not? Since in my old laptop with no dedicated graphics it worked very well
[13:07] <BluesKaj> mrvik, I reckon the higher power gpu wopuld be the way to go altho your battery life will probly suffer otherwise using a less capable gpu that saves power will restrict your graphics options
[13:07] <cfhowlett> mrvik, all I've heard is that AMD support is extremely uncertain in linux, especially compared to nvidia.
[13:08] <BluesKaj> yeah, especiially with hybrid graphics , at least there's bumblebee for intel/nvidia
[13:09] <mrvik> BluesKaj: you mean to disable the intel one and use amd?
[13:11] <stef1a> i accidentally ctrl + Z'ed a process while it was starting up, and now it appears to be a zombie. i really need to kill it and restart it, but i can't become root. help?
[13:11] <BluesKaj> mrvik, if possible, unless you're satisfied with fewer desktop effects etc and the chance of freezes under heavier loads
[13:11] <Ben64> stef1a: type "fg 1" ?
[13:12] <stef1a> Ben64: that returns unicorn_rails -E production -c config/unicorn.rb, which is the command i want to run (and earlier killed)
[13:12] <stef1a> Ben64: oh hey! that did it!
[13:12] <Ben64> stef1a: :)
[13:13] <mrvik> BluesKaj: but isn't that what's happening when I use 'fglrx' from additional drivers? and it freezes
[13:13] <stef1a> Ben64: thanks so much :-)
[13:13] <Ben64> stef1a: ctrl+z pauses processes, and "fg 1" brings it back to the foreground
[13:14] <BluesKaj> mrvik, dunno if fglrx is the right driver. It might be the xserver-xorg-video-ati
[13:16] <ubuntuser13> gtk+-3.0 not found. i am trying to compile a software.
[13:17] <mrvik> BluesKaj: ok so suppose I disable the intel card and use any of these drivers and reboot the system, won't it still freeze because the default for low graphics will still be intel? or then the defalut will be automatically changed?
[13:17] <kostkon> ubuntuser13, sudo apt-get install libgtk-3-dev?
[13:18] <ubuntuser13> kostkon: ok
[13:20] <BluesKaj> mrvik, the default autmatically be changed unless there's a software program that monitors the loads and switches the gpus, which I suspect has to be modded or disabled
[13:21] <mrvik> BluesKaj: since my system was going into 'low graphics mode' after installing ubuntu I updated the grub with 'nomodeset' does it have to do something?
[13:22] <BluesKaj> nomodeset should only be temporary until the proper drivers are installed for the system
[13:22] <ubuntuser13> kostkon: when i use sudo apt-get install gtk+-3.0, 13mb archives needed,but it uses 223mb internet still not installed.
[13:22] <urn> is there any way to force a user to run a command like 'cd upload' when they login to ftp?
[13:22] <mrvik> BluesKaj: it will automatically be managed then?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> mrvik, no you'll have to change it in grub
[13:26] <BluesKaj> mrvik, remove it from the "quiet splash" line
[13:27] <BluesKaj> mrvik, not until you installed the graphics driver though
[13:27] <mrvik> BluesKaj: just read this http://askubuntu.com/questions/207175/what-does-nomodeset-do does the accepted answer mean otherwise?
[13:30] <mrvik> BluesKaj: ok so am going with the following steps then, first install amd graphics card and then delete the 'nomodeset' from grub without rebooting and then reboot, is that it?
[13:30] <Ryan_>  06:30:16 up  3:47,  3 users,  load average: 463.28, 750.06, 777.37
[13:30] <Ryan_> ???
[13:30] <Ryan_> http://i.imgur.com/RbVVddE.png
[13:30] <BluesKaj> mrvik, yes, but check your bios first to set the graphics to amd exclusively
[13:31] <geirha> Ryan_: order by cpu%
[13:31] <BluesKaj> mrvik, if possible
[13:31] <Ryan_> geirha, its a fresh install with just mysql, apache and php
[13:31] <Ryan_> i order by CPU and thers nothing
[13:32] <Ryan_> http://i.imgur.com/c8gJsCd.png
[13:32] <geirha> Ryan_: Then my first suspect would be whatever php application you have running; possibly doing something very inefficient
[13:32] <mrvik> BluesKaj: and if I disable amd graphics card then I wont have to do anything else right?
[13:32] <Ryan_> no, there are no PHP applications running
[13:33] <geirha> oh, then that is indeed odd
[13:35] <BluesKaj> mrvik, don't disable the amd/ati card if you plan on higher level grpahics
[13:36] <geirha> Ryan_: nothing using mysql either?
[13:36] <Ryan_> no, i just installed it
[13:36] <Ryan_> nothing is running on it
[13:37] <mrvik> BluesKaj: ok, then I'll get started thanks :)
[13:41] <cyclonis> good morning anyone using cgroups-lite in ubnutu 12.304
[13:41] <cyclonis> 12.04
[13:44] <systom404> running ubuntu 14.04 in vmware player everything looks slightly blurry this is a brand new install anyone hazard a guess as to why this is
[13:44] <xbox> Ooi
[13:44] <xbox> Hey
[13:45] <xbox> Hi
[13:45] <RobertPrakigam> whats up xbox?
[13:45] <RobertPrakigam> nvm then
[13:45] <systom404> anyone at all any idea
[13:45] <EXetoC> "error: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 not found" I'm trying to install pervasive SQL (tar) and I don't know what the hell is going on. that dll is indeed present in /lib
[13:47] <systom404>  running ubuntu 14.04 in vmware player everything looks slightly blurry this is a brand new install anyone hazard a guess as to why this is
[13:51] <Whitor> Howdy. I'm having an issue in 14.04 where when I enter my password in the logon screen, it returns me to the logon screen... I can logon in a text terminal just fine... any ideas?    The guest account does work.
[13:51] <Whitor> guest session, rather
[13:52] <Whitor> This is on a lenovo w530 if it matters
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Whitor, have you updated/upgraded since?
[13:52] <k1l> Whitor: log into the konsole "ctrl+alt+f1" and chown the .XAuthority files back to user:user (where user is your user name), then restart the lightdm with "sudo ligthdm restart"
[13:53] <systom404>  running ubuntu 14.04 in vmware player everything looks slightly blurry this is a brand new install anyone hazard a guess as to why this is
[13:54] <Whitor> BluesKaj, how do I do this from a cli?   ki: thanks a lot! I will try that immediately.
[13:55] <Whitor> k1l rather... sorry
[13:55] <geirha> EXetoC: Sounds like you have a 64 bit install of ubuntu, but this program is 32 bit, so it's failing to find the 32 bit linker
[13:55] <BluesKaj> Whitor, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade in the cli
[13:55] <k1l> no problem
[13:55] <Whitor> BluesKaj, and thank you too! I will do that first.
[13:55] <EXetoC> geirha: it should indeed work, and I do have the 32-bit version of that lib installed
[13:56] <geirha> EXetoC: via apt?
[13:56] <hadrian_> YES SCOTLAND
[13:57] <EXetoC> geirha: yes, libc6-i386. /lib/ld-linux.so.2 is a symlink to /lib/i386...
[13:57] <k1l> hadrian_: no need for that in this technical ubuntu support channel. we welcome scotish and englishmen :)
[13:57] <leeyaa> hello
[13:57] <leeyaa> is it possible to upgrade from edgy to precise ?
[13:57] <EXetoC> maybe it's just pervasive SQL being weird
[13:58] <geirha> EXetoC: Hm. Not sure then. Maybe running it with strace will reveal more
[13:58] <BluesKaj> hadrian_, are you going to rebuild your wall ? :)
[13:58] <geirha> leeyaa: Yes.
[13:58] <k1l> leeyaa: to be honest: mak a fresh install
[13:59] <leeyaa> k1l: i am testing something i need to try upgrading first
[13:59] <leeyaa> geirha: how ? i tried following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/Edgy
[13:59] <k1l> 6.10 is long way overdue and it will be way faster and with less issues if you go for a reinstall. _but_ if you really want to go the upgrade way you need to use the old-releases sources
[13:59] <geirha> leeyaa: You have to upgrade Edgy -> Feisty -> Gutsy -> Hardy LTS -> Lucid LTS -> Precise LTS
[14:00] <interweb> How do I can install latest version of KDE on ubuntu 14.04 ?
[14:00] <cfhowlett> leeyaa,   you have a very old computer, I'm guessing.  torrent 14.04.1 lubuntu or xubuntu and install.
[14:00] <leeyaa> cfhowlett: please dont suggest something i am not asking for
[14:00] <leeyaa> geirha: in that order ?
[14:01] <geirha> leeyaa: yes
[14:01] <geirha> Once I installed Ubuntu 4.10 in a VM for fun, and started upgrading through every release... I got bored when I reached hardy though. Takes a LOT of time.
[14:01] <EXetoC> geirha: I just went crazy with the package manager, and now it works
[14:02] <EXetoC> finally!
[14:02] <leeyaa> geirha: well
[14:03] <leeyaa> i cant get past this https://bpaste.net/show/2d0ea54b5948
[14:03] <geirha> EXetoC: Ah, maybe ld.so.cache was outdated
[14:03] <k1l> !eolupgrade | leeyaa
[14:03] <interweb> Hi , How can I install latest kde on ubuntu 14.04 ?
[14:03] <geirha> leeyaa: Hm. What did you run exactly?
[14:04] <leeyaa> geirha: just do-release-upgrade
[14:04] <leeyaa> but i can see it tries to use UpgradeTool: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-proposed/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/feisty.tar.gz
[14:04] <leeyaa> which doesnt exist
[14:04] <geirha> leeyaa: ok, and you did the preceeding steps first, right?
[14:04] <gogh> interweb: # apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[14:04] <interweb> gogh, Is it kde 5 ?
[14:04] <leeyaa> geirha: i have sources as in the guide
[14:04] <gogh> interweb: Check packages.ubuntu.com
[14:05] <leeyaa> i think ;p
[14:05] <Xerxes89> does anyone speak german?
[14:05] <DJones> Xerxes89: #ubuntu-de is probably the best place to use for support in German
[14:05] <Xerxes89> thx
[14:06] <gogh> interweb: Looks like it might still be 4
[14:06] <interweb> gogh, Is kde ppa backports portable ?
[14:06] <geirha> leeyaa: So maybe at some point it (eol edgy upgrade to eol feisty) has been broken, then. I doubt it has been used much lately
[14:06] <hadrian_> nice joke
[14:07] <leeyaa> geirha: ill try change the urls at /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release-lts
[14:07] <BluesKaj> hadrian_, I thought it was appropriate
[14:08] <gogh> interweb: Actually when I look at the package list kubuntu-desktop would pull it, it has libkdecore5
[14:08] <gogh> pull in*
[14:09] <leeyaa> geirha: yeah replacing archive with old worked
[14:09] <BluesKaj> leeyaa, i had a 2006 vintage pc that ran kubuntu 12.04 quite well , but i upgraded the RAM to 2G which helped a lot
[14:09] <leeyaa> BluesKaj: im upgrading servers
[14:10] <leeyaa> well sandboxes
[14:10] <EXetoC> geirha: yeah maybe
[14:13] <leeyaa> i have an app running on ubuntu 6 servers. i cant figure out how to install that app on a 14.04 server (huge project with lots of perl crap) so i am going to try upgrade one of the sandboxes for fun to check if it will work
[14:13] <leeyaa> at least ill be able to compare it if it works
[14:14]  * k1l crosses fingers for leeyaa 
[14:14] <fancyfetus> is there any way for me to use gnome as a desktop environment?
[14:14] <Whitor> k1l, you get the gold star. What you suggested looks like it took care of the issue, I can now login to the system under my normal account.  Things went flaky when the battery dies while the system was in a sleep state. There are still some issues... The Nvidia optimus no longer works... the system hangs at the  UBUNTU.....  purple start up screen. Any ideas on this? anyone?
[14:14] <fancyfetus> or do I have to install ubuntu gnome?
[14:15] <cfhowlett> fancyfetus, you can add gnome to ubuntu but it's almost certainly better integrated in ubuntu-gnome
[14:15] <k1l> fancyfetus: you mean gnome-shell (aka gnome3)?
[14:15] <fancyfetus> k1l, yeah
[14:15] <headcold> Can I get some help solving a problem with my screen freezing?  It randomly freezes everynow and then, sound works and background processes keep working but the screen just doesn't update.  I can refresh the screen by doing cntrl+alt+f1,cntrl+alt+f7, it seems to track that the mouse moves whilst the screen is frozen
[14:16] <fancyfetus> cfhowlett, I'm tying to "taste" test different desktop environments right now
[14:16] <k1l> fancyfetus: you can install "gnome-shell" on a regular ubuntu. but on a gnome-ubuntu the gnome-shell is more vanilla
[14:16] <leeyaa> fancyfetus: try e17
[14:16] <fancyfetus> maybe if I really like gnome, I'll switch to ubuntu gnome
[14:16] <fancyfetus> leeyaa, e17?
[14:16] <AlonzoTG> I sometimes get that issue when my video card is having problems,
[14:16] <gogh> headcold: What graphics card and desktop environment?
[14:16] <AlonzoTG> in my case, there was a faulty connection on the PCI-e slot.
[14:16] <cfhowlett> fancyfetus, understood. fun, too.  but you might wish to consider doing so in a virtualbox to absolutely protect your main system.
[14:16] <k1l> fancyfetus: if you want something like the "old gnome2" look see xubuntu or even lubuntu desktops
[14:17] <fancyfetus> k1l, going for gnome 3 for sure. That thing is very sexy :)
[14:17] <cfhowlett> fancyfetus, or download ubuntu-gnome, make a usb and run it that way for a test
[14:17] <leeyaa> fancyfetus: yes
[14:17] <leeyaa> i used it in the past, very pretty and lightweight
[14:17] <fancyfetus> cfhowlett, good advice, thank you :)
[14:17] <cfhowlett> fancyfetus, happy2help
[14:18] <leeyaa> fancyfetus: https://www.enlightenment.org/
[14:19] <leeyaa> it was still beta back then rofl
[14:19] <leeyaa> i should have a look at it again
[14:19] <headcold> gogh: Nvidia GTX 850M, I'm currently running ubuntu with xfce but i get it with lfce and unity
[14:20] <fancyfetus> I'll add that to the taste test
[14:21] <fancyfetus> this is a new installation of ubuntu
[14:21] <fancyfetus> so I'm not worried about messing anything up
[14:21] <fancyfetus> I'm trying to migrate over to linux for dev purposes
[14:21] <gogh> headcold: Maybe it's a problem with the version of the driver you have installed. If you're using the proprietary nvidia driver, you can try a different version or try nouveau. If you're using nouveau, you can try installing the proprietary nvidia driver
[14:21] <fancyfetus> I tihnk the only thing stopping me is that I like Microsoft Word infinitely better than i like Libre or Open office...
[14:22] <leeyaa> fancyfetus: you can always use a VM for ms word or even wine
[14:22] <leeyaa> i used to keep a windows VM at virtualbox
[14:22] <gogh> fancyfetus: You can install windows in a vm..
[14:22] <leeyaa> but now i just switched to Mac OS
[14:22] <fancyfetus> I heard that word on wine sucks
[14:22] <fancyfetus> I'm willing to try vm, though
[14:23] <leeyaa> fancyfetus: word in general sucks, just use google docs and other cloud platforms
[14:23] <leeyaa> microsoft are terrible anyway
[14:23] <gogh> yes that's better
[14:23] <gogh> fancyfetus: abiword isn't too terrible these days either it seems
[14:23] <fancyfetus> I haven't seen anything else that can match Word's feature set.
[14:24] <fancyfetus> For equation writing outside of latex.
[14:24] <gogh> fancyfetus: well if you want the complete set, just use a vm
[14:24] <leeyaa> fancyfetus: google docs can do pretty much anything word can
[14:24] <fancyfetus> I think that's what I'll do
[14:24] <leeyaa> and even more
[14:24] <MontgomeryBurns> to save battery power on my laptop, if often swtitch to tty's and not login via the gui (but it is there by default and i obviusly i can switch there by pressing ctrl-alt-F7 - does this cost me any extra batter power? --- or should i have X not start at all by default?
[14:24] <fancyfetus> brb
[14:24] <rypervenche> What's wrong with libreoffice?
[14:24] <leeyaa> how the hell to speed up that update process
[14:25] <leeyaa> give more juice to the vm ?
[14:25] <MontgomeryBurns> i mean does it cost more battery power by being in a tty but having a gui x session running on F7 - you get what i mean?
[14:25] <k1l> MontgomeryBurns: you can make the bootoption "text" to boot direct into a tty and not to the loginmanager
[14:26] <MontgomeryBurns> k1l: how do i do that? and also, how do i start the login manager? startx?
[14:26] <k1l> MontgomeryBurns: but then most gui services like wifi etc will not be started iirc. you need to test for yourself if that is ok for you
[14:26] <k1l> !text | MontgomeryBurns
[14:26] <MontgomeryBurns> thanks
[14:26] <gogh> MontgomeryBurns: It's running a minimal version of X that isn't too resource intensive but you can stop (and later restart) the dm service to avoid the dm consuming resources. For instance if it's lightdm, service lightdm stop
[14:26] <k1l> MontgomeryBurns: no: sudo lightdm start
[14:26] <MontgomeryBurns> k1l: thanks
[14:26] <k1l> MontgomeryBurns: dont use startx on ubuntu, start the loginscreen
[14:27] <DaHoC> Hi, I want to install Ubuntu on my new SSD and have read that it is better to put /home, /var, /tmp to the HDD because of write operations. I do not want to fragment it with partitions however, do symlinks or soft links provide the same functionality, has someone tried out yet? Or is that a bad idea because it will still access the SDD??
[14:27] <sivarjun> hey guys does anyone know how to create virtual router in ubunut
[14:27] <MontgomeryBurns> duly noted
[14:27] <gogh> k1l: You mean service lightdm start?
[14:27] <k1l> gogh: should work without the "service"
[14:27] <headcold> gogh: I have the proprietary installed atm, something I notice in /var/log/syslog whenever it freezes it shows this message http://pastebin.com/pKfZFHLN
[14:28] <gogh> MontgomeryBurns: But yes, you can add text to the /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="... text" and update-grub to use not load X I believe
[14:28] <leeyaa> geirha: will it speed up the process if i add more cores to that vm ?
[14:28] <leeyaa> for upgrades*
[14:28] <MontgomeryBurns> but will having X running idle cost me battery power when i'm working in a tty?
[14:29] <geirha> leeyaa: Maybe, though I suspect most of the time is spent waiting on io
[14:29] <gogh> headcold: Do you have any PPA's installed? Have you tried a different version of their driver? Have you tried nouveau? When did this problem start? Has it ever worked correctly?
[14:30] <sivarjun> how to create virtual router in ubuntu
[14:30] <gogh> MontgomeryBurns: I doubt the desktop login manager uses many resources alone though it must use some, at least
[14:30] <gogh> sivarjun: very carefully
[14:30] <gogh> sivarjun: What are you trying to do exactly?
[14:31] <sivarjun> want to connect my phone to wifi using my laptop
[14:31] <sivarjun> as a router
[14:31] <gogh> sivarjun: and the laptop connects to the internet via ethernet?
[14:31] <MontgomeryBurns> how can i see how much battery power i have left from the a terminal?
[14:31] <sivarjun> actually laptop is connected to wifi as well
[14:32] <headcold> gogh: I have a couple PPA's installed but I don't think any of them effect the xserver, it did start after I installed the proprietary drivers, which I did because I had read (no idea where now) that the proprietary would get better performance the default drivers
[14:32] <sivarjun> prob is wifi service i need tologn and can only use account on one devce
[14:32] <gogh> sivarjun: Then you'll probably need another wifi card
[14:32] <sivarjun> im able to do in windows using mhotspot
[14:32] <elwaldos> MontgomeryBurns, acpi
[14:32] <sivarjun> without another wifi card
[14:33] <gogh> headcold: Maybe you can try some GL test and then remove the drivers and test the same GL routines with nouveau
[14:33] <gogh> headcold: If you don't care about 3D stuff, you probably definitely want to use nouveau
[14:34] <leeyaa> ha, first step done ;op
[14:34] <leeyaa> Description:	Ubuntu 7.04
[14:34] <leeyaa> that will be fun
[14:34] <ObrienDave> 7.04? oh my
[14:35] <headcold> goph: Righto I'll revert to nouveau and see how I go, if it fixes the problem and but i'm not happy with it's performance I'll investigate other options
[14:35] <leeyaa> ObrienDave: it was 6.10 ;p
[14:35] <headcold> gogh: Thanks for your help
[14:35] <gogh> sivarjun: Well you can try the wifi nm-applet>Create New Wifi Network and then in nm-applet>Edit (network preferences), select wifi connection and select 'shared with other computers'
[14:35] <ObrienDave> leeyaa,  HARUMPH 'P
[14:35] <sivarjun> ill try
[14:35] <gogh> sivarjun: If it does work, the broadcast channel should be on the same channel as the AP it's connected to
[14:36] <gogh> sivarjun: The other way is manually setting up dhcp server and using something like hostapd
[14:36] <gogh> sivarjun: and probably masquerading too
[14:36] <MontgomeryBurns> elwaldos: thanks
[14:37] <gogh> headcold: np, let me know what happens!
[14:38] <smart_developer> What are some suggestions for tweaking the MSR register for performance optimization?
[14:38] <sivarjun> doesnt work
[14:38] <sivarjun> i need to use laptop as ahotspot when it already connected to existing wifi
[14:38] <gogh> sivarjun: If it works in windows, it can work in linux if everything is configured correctly
[14:39] <gogh> sivarjun: If the automated gui de methods don't work then you might have to do some reading
[14:41] <sivarjun> mm
[14:43] <smart_developer> or in general, what are some kernel tweaking options?
[14:43] <smart_developer> for performance optimization.
[14:44] <smart_developer> general methods for various applications.
[14:51] <matty1234> Hello! :)
[14:52] <matty1234> Can anyone please tell me how I can force install an older version of a package via aptitude?  I am trying to instal openjdk-6-jdk, but that is not available in aptitude as only the version 7 is available.
[14:53] <popey> matty1234: what version of ubuntu?
[14:53] <matty1234> 14 LTS
[14:54] <popey> openjdk-6-jdk is available from the archive.
[14:54] <popey> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=openjdk-6-jdk
[14:54] <popey> (out of interest why do you want 6 and not 7?)
[14:55] <matty1234> Some crazy project.  We need to test an application using 5, 6, and 7.  Hence I need to deploy 3 linodes each with those versions respectively.
[14:55] <matty1234> Could you please tell me how I may install these versions from the archive?  I've never ran across a task like this before and hence kind of in the dark.  Google hasn't been much help either.
[14:55] <popey> ahhh
[14:56] <popey> matty1234: does "apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk" not work?
[14:56] <rberg_> ouch just got bitten by this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/812870  any way to get that fix in 12.04?
[14:56] <matty1234> well 6 works.  5 doesn't
[14:57] <matty1234> I also need 5.
[14:57] <popey> matty1234: i dont think there ever was an openjdk-5
[14:59] <darkxploit> hello guys
[14:59] <darkxploit> ubuntu global jam had happened in Mauritius some days back. It was  big sucess here
[15:00] <matty1234> seriously?  So the client was just being crazy?
[15:00] <darkxploit> follow the newsletter at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue383
[15:03] <matty1234> popey would you have any idea what the client was referring to when he said openjdk-5-jdk?  He claims that this is the current one installed in the old system
[15:04] <popey> matty1234: could be the old oracle java http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javasebusiness/downloads/java-archive-downloads-javase5-419410.html
[15:06] <matty1234> Would you know the package name for this?
[15:06] <matty1234> Is it isntallable in Ubuntu?
[15:07] <artist> what is this channel for ?
[15:08] <matty1234> *installable
[15:09] <Wiz_KeeD> a system user is executing a pythons script of mine trying to create a .csv file and it fails for some reason
[15:10] <Wiz_KeeD> that same user if I run it with -s /bin/bash and I just execute it it works well with no issues
[15:10] <Wiz_KeeD> anyone know why?
[15:11] <vfw> I've dissabled printing with iptables rule and have a script in my path to wipe the rulse and enable printing again. The disable commands are in rc.local and the enable is ~/bin/printing  Question is:  How can I set up and easy way to toggle on and off printing? (other than bringing up terminal to type commands.) (Something simple and easy that I can tell to simi-tech-savy-people of my choosing.)
[15:12] <vfw> Any ideas?
[15:12] <xcasex> the grey men from roswell did it
[15:14] <vfw> maybe just a launcher on the desktop?
[15:14] <achintya> hey guys can anyone tell me how to get c++ for ubuntu
[15:15] <Night_Fury> my vote is for the roswell comment
[15:15] <xcasex> achintya: in the terminal, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[15:15] <achintya> and how do i run and compile programs?
[15:15] <xcasex> vfw: since you're using ubuntu check out ufw.
[15:17] <xcasex> achintya:for that you'll need to check out the documentation on ubuntu.com or wait for someone with the time and patience, and knowhow, to help out :)
[15:18] <achintya> cool thanks!
[15:18] <xcasex> achintya: happy to help.
[15:18] <Night_Fury> ive found a lot of good stuff up on youtube
[15:18] <Night_Fury> people doing stuff with ubuntu,...installs and usage,...check there
[15:18] <achintya> cool thanks!
[15:19] <Night_Fury> if im looking for tutorals,..thas myu first source
[15:19] <Night_Fury> patence young padawan,...patence
[15:20] <matty_r> How do I disable my onboard wifi adapter?
[15:22] <nomic> sometimes there is a switch on the side of a laptop
[15:23] <matty_r> In ubuntu
[15:25] <LoRez> where does one get access to precise's universe repo?
[15:26] <rww> LoRez: are you looking for a sources.list entry, or the actual URL for, like, a web browser or something
[15:26] <Night_Fury> man this is disturbing,......
[15:26] <Night_Fury> about all the other networks are not up and running
[15:26] <Night_Fury> galaxynet
[15:26] <LoRez> rww: well, it appears as though it's dissappeared off of archive.ubuntu.com as of about Sunday
[15:26] <Night_Fury> EFNET,....
[15:27] <vfw> xcasex: Ok, thanks.  (Just thought someone else here might have done this in some similar way, or there might be some sort of app to toggle on/off printing.  I'll look into doing it with ufw.  (Just wanting something easy I could instruct others with.)
[15:27]  * rww takes a look
[15:28] <LoRez> rww: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/universe/binary-i386/Packages has anyway.  I guess apt isn't looking for .gz or .bz2 for some reason?
[15:28] <vfw> I want something fairly user friendly, just not totally obvious.
[15:30] <rww> LoRez: https://web.archive.org/web/20130317115517/http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/universe/binary-i386 , so I don't think it's ever been there :\
[15:30] <Hawkerz> so, I am running 14.04 + Unity + byobu.  Recently, I've discovered that byobu is no longer recognized by the WM as an independent thing that should have its own group (preferably under its own launcher); now anytime I use the byobu launcher it kicks over into a gnome-terminal group. It's super irritating, so any thoughts would be greatly appreciated
[15:30] <vfw> Thanks again... gotta run...
[15:30] <LoRez> rww: weird.  I wonder why all 200+ machines started complaining the other day.
[15:30] <SonikkuAmerica> LoRez: [ deb http://XX.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu precise universe ] should be uncommented in or added to /etc/apt/sources.list , but maybe not by default
[15:30] <YokoBR> Hi guys, i need to recover a file after formatting my HDD
[15:31] <SonikkuAmerica> LoRez: (Where XX is your country mirror)
[15:31] <eeee> YokoBR: sudo apt-get install testdisk
[15:31] <rww> LoRez: and the repository's working on my test machine, so that's odd :\
[15:31] <LoRez> SonikkuAmerica: thanks for the attempt at assistance, but that doesn't actually address the issue at all
[15:31] <YokoBR> damn, i thought that skype stored the history online
[15:31] <rww> LoRez: which error message is it giving? just a 404?
[15:32] <SonikkuAmerica> LoRez: (And hopefully your 64-bit machines read amd64, not i386)
[15:32] <LoRez> rww: 503 actually.  I'm wondering if there's a proxy doing weird things in between.
[15:32] <LoRez> rww: I guess apt gives up if it gets a 5xx error instead of looking for the compressed ones
[15:33] <rww> LoRez: I'd try a different mirror on one of the machines and see if that helps. If not, I'd guess it's a proxy indeed.
[15:35] <narbeh> Hi, I have Ubuntu VPS, everytime I enter my IP address, it shows my website. I don't want it to show my files. What should I do?
[15:36] <Whitor> stop apache ?
[15:36] <Ampelbein> narbeh: Disable the webserver you are running.
[15:36] <narbeh> Ampelbein: Thank you. But I only want my domain to show the files.
[15:36] <zeon98> hi all. i have an issue where i can acsess a webpage via 127.0.0.1:port but not when i use the ip of the machine. Any ideas ive had this in the past also. thank you
[15:37] <para000> hy guys
[15:37] <xcasex> hay yuo
[15:37] <Ampelbein> narbeh: What webserver are you using?
[15:38] <narbeh> Ampelbein: I use Apache2. I configured Virtual host as my domain name.
[15:38] <narbeh> I want to block access to IP to show the files
[15:39] <narbeh> Ampelbein: should I change the <VirtualHost *:80> to my domain name?
[15:40] <para000> very noob on linux, but i wanna setup a webserver on a VPS... trying for 2 days... and got to a point where a php code is working on my WAMP localhost and not working on my VPS... can anyone please help me dunno where else to go
[15:41] <Ampelbein> narbeh: I don't know enough about apache, I'm using nginx. Let me look up the docs.
[15:42] <narbeh> para000: you should install apache
[15:42] <narbeh> para000: and then PHP5 package
[15:42] <narbeh> para000: it will run php files
[15:42] <para000> narbeh: that what i did
[15:42] <para000> can i give a example?
[15:42] <para000> 1 sec
[15:42] <narbeh> para000: ok
[15:43] <Ampelbein> narbeh: It looks like you could achieve that by adding a new virtualhost, with <VirtualHost IPADDRESS:80> and configure it's document root to a suitable (empty) directory.
[15:43] <para000> narbeh: so i have this simple php code http://apaste.info/2oR that is working on my WAMP localhost but not on my VPS server
[15:44] <narbeh> Ampelbein: Good idea. let me try it
[15:44] <para000> that has PHP5 and apache2
[15:45] <narbeh> para000: I don't know PHP coding, but if you have installed apache and php5, it should work.
[15:45] <para000> that the thing not all code working on the VPS ... but some PHP is working ... so i think i install miss something on the VPS instalation
[15:46] <narbeh> you use ubuntu server ? para000
[15:46] <para000> do you have a link with a guide how to fully install webserver
[15:46] <para000> yes
[15:47] <para000> ubuntu 14.04
[15:47] <para000> i tryied wit 12.04
[15:47] <para000> 12.10
[15:48] <Nokiabot> ~help
[15:48] <wheatthin> para000, there's no need for a guide.. Install tasksel and install LAMP
[15:48] <narbeh> Ampelbein: Thank you. It works by creating another virtual host for the specified IP address. Thanks
[15:48] <wheatthin> para000, after installing tasksel       sudo tasksel and pick the LAMP profile
[15:49] <wheatthin> para000, it'll install everything you need to get it running atm
[15:49] <narbeh> para000: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-linux-apache-mysql-php-lamp-stack-on-ubuntu
[15:50] <pagios> hi any udev expert?
[15:52] <Diplomat> hey guys, is there a way for me to create user without inserting all that user info like fullname etc ? just something like.. adduser test and that's it process completed?
[15:53] <grobe0ba> Diplomat: useradd -m username
[15:53] <xangua> Diplomat: if you want some fresh profile to test, why don't you use the guest session¿
[15:53] <grobe0ba> that will create a new user with a home directory
[15:55] <Diplomat> grobe0ba: yes, but I'm trying to create this user via my program.. and it starts asking those Full Name etc questions.. I'd like to bypass it
[15:56] <grobe0ba> Diplomat: no shit?
[15:56] <grobe0ba> that will do exactly what you want
[15:56] <grobe0ba> why do you think i told you that?
[15:56] <grobe0ba> useradd -m newusername
[15:56] <Diplomat> yup, my bad, didn't test it
[15:56] <Diplomat> thank you
[15:56] <grobe0ba> that will add a user with the username 'newusername' and do nothing else
[15:56] <grobe0ba> feck off
[15:57] <boss> boss12345
[15:57] <ad_> hi after installing ubuntu 14.04 64bit in my new pc my mouse scroll is not working properly. when browsing when i sccroll down it works as expected but when i scroll up the browser goes to back page
[15:58] <ad_> can someone help
[15:58] <nusr> jesus i'm reinstallng ubuntu agwin becos  irtual box messed up my partitions. now chat on my fphone
[15:59] <Whitor> how the heck did virtualbox mess up your partitins?
[15:59] <rodney_> sup
[16:00] <Whitor> doesn't it create files that look like drives but don't mess with the partition info on the main drive?
[16:00] <Bobbo> Whitor: You can configure it to use real partitions iirc.
[16:01] <Whitor> Bobbo, ooh, that sounds dangerous. if you don't know what you are doing
[16:01] <sixwheeledbeast> daftykins: It worked fine, I am all up to date BTW. It must have just been the "Update packages while installing" option that was an issue.
[16:01] <nusr> create new. a d for some reason it started booting with that partition..buuuuuttt i did not complete the installation becos cd key which i have vwlid one did not work..terminal and soft ware center disappeared from last working condition and wheb i rebooted it dete ted the virtual as my primary
[16:01]  * sixwheeledbeast just has to get the proprietary wlan card drivers working :) 
[16:03] <nusr> hare to type on phone back after install
[16:07] <ad_> can anyone help.. My mouse wheel scroll in ubuntu 14.04 when mouse is scrolled upwards the browser or ubuntu software center etc aplications goes to last visited page
[16:13] <Jesse___> For some weird reason my installation of ubuntu doesnt have the 40_custom file present in the /etc/grub.d/ directory. Can I just copy the contents of the 40_custom file from itnernet and create it new, or does it need execution permissions etc.?
[16:19] <mystogan> what is the command to reset settings in ubuntu 14.04?
[16:20] <quantibility> alright,
[16:20] <quantibility> anyone willing to help me with my problem?
[16:20] <xangua> !ask | quantibility
[16:23] <jnxd> !patience
[16:23] <felon> how do i find the path to my usb san disk
[16:23] <quantibility> i have a problem accessing my encrypted drive. its decrypted but its "invisible" i think becuase the files are set on another "directory" i think, i recently had to re install xubuntu, btw im banned from that room don't ask me to go there. anyhow
[16:24] <quantibility> i installed xubuntu on a 32 gigabyte stick.
[16:24] <quantibility>  i didn't touch my partitioned ssection of my drive with the orginal installation
[16:25] <felon> shouldnt just be dev/sd
[16:25] <quantibility> basiclly i wanna copy my Home directory to my usb stick or my files from USB to HD. im not sure how im going to
[16:25] <DryEagle> hi, can anyone help me with setting up an alias? no matter what i do i can't seem to make it work because it keeps sticking a space on the end
[16:26] <fuorviatos> hello
[16:26] <narbeh> DryEagle: what kind of alias? in shell?
[16:26] <DryEagle> for bash
[16:26] <DryEagle> basically i use livestreamer quite a lot
[16:27] <narbeh> DryEagle: edit .bashrc
[16:27] <DryEagle> and the syntax for it is "livestreamer web.site/stream quality" for example "livestreamer twitch.tv/roomonfire high"
[16:27] <jnxd> felon: off the top of my head, use nautilus start terminal and then pwd, though that requires you to install it
[16:27] <eeee> quantibility: is the drive mounted?
[16:27] <DryEagle> so i want to set up an alias like "alias z='livestreamer twitch.tv/'"
[16:27] <DryEagle> but then if i type z roomonfire high
[16:27] <felon> i got it
[16:27] <DryEagle> it puts a space after the twitch.tv/
[16:27] <fuorviatos> I have ATI/INTEL videocard. Just installed the newest Hardware layer which uninstalled my ati driver. How can I get both outputs to be switching as before (I'm on ubuntu 12.04 LTS) ?
[16:27] <mystogan> eeee,what is the command to reset settings in ubuntu 14.04?
[16:27] <DryEagle> so the command doesn't work
[16:27] <eeee> mystogan: reset settings how?
[16:27] <DryEagle> that's what i need to know, how to do the alias to ignore the space in the middle
[16:28] <DryEagle> hopefully that made sense
[16:28] <narbeh> DryEagle: the correct command is this:  alias z="Long_Command"
[16:28] <narbeh> DryEagle: save, logout and login
[16:28] <narbeh> it should work
[16:29] <DryEagle> bash recognises it immediately when i save
[16:29] <mystogan> eeee,i changed some appearance setting which i dont know how to revert?
[16:29] <DryEagle> but when i type "z roomonfire high" it reads it as "livestreamer twitch.tv/ livestreamer high"
[16:29] <quantibility> eeee: yes its mounted but the whole thing vanishes, dude, i have to get off im headed to a friends but i swear i will be right back on in about 30 mins,  can you help me then, i hafta get going..
[16:29] <DryEagle> er
[16:29] <DryEagle> basically it puts a space in the url
[16:29] <DryEagle> since that's where the alias ends
[16:29] <DryEagle> and i want to know if i can make it remove that space
[16:30] <narbeh> DryEagle: remove the space
[16:30] <DryEagle> but then if i type zroomonfire into bash that's not recognised
[16:30] <DryEagle> so in bash i have to have a space after the z
[16:30] <DryEagle> there isn't one in the alias
[16:30] <DryEagle> but it inserts that space
[16:31] <quantibility> eeee: it vanishes after its decrypted, but the "disks" Application states two other partions that have the infor but i can't figure out how to mounth those
[16:31] <eeee> mystogan: you could delete the config files in your home dir
[16:31] <felon> dmesg think its sdc
[16:31] <quantibility> be back on soon
[16:32] <mystogan> eeee,how do i?
[16:32] <eeee> rm -rf ~/.config
[16:33] <eeee> mystogan: might need to do rm -rf ~/.local , too
[16:33] <eeee> logout and login to test
[16:35] <mystogan> eeee,i have xubuntu-desktop along with ubuntu 14.04..my xubuntu settings have changed..if i apply the above command will it reset my ubuntu settings also?
[16:35] <eeee> i think so
[16:35] <eeee> maybe you could delete rm -rf ~/.xubuntu or something
[16:35] <eeee> ( not sure as i don't have xubuntu )
[16:35] <eeee> try ls -la | grep xubuntu
[16:36] <eeee> ~/.xfce maybe ?
[16:36] <theadmin|ghost> It's ~/.config/xfce4 I think
[16:37] <mystogan> theadmin|ghost,am i supposed to run that command in xubuntu?
[16:38] <eeee> mystogan: try rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4
[16:38] <theadmin|ghost> mystogan: It's a folder, you should remove it. Best to do it from another desktop or a TTY
[16:39] <Whitor> How do I manually start unity?   When I logon, all I get is a mous pointer on a background image... any ideas ?
[16:40] <eeee> Whitor: setsid unity
[16:41] <theadmin> Whitor: If you press Ctrl-Alt-T you should get a terminal, hopefully, then do "dconf reset -f /org/compiz/"
[16:41] <theadmin> Whitor: Should start normally afterwards
[16:41] <eeee> Whitor: try the guest session, if it works you have a config problem
[16:42] <MCLA> hi
[16:42] <Whitor> theadmin, thank you vm. I will try that. Ctrl-Alt-T does not ull up a terminal. Is it ok if I do this in a ctrl-alt-F1 terminal ?
[16:43] <theadmin> Whitor: I'm not so sure.
[16:43] <theadmin> Whitor: dconf may need dbus access and uhh
[16:43] <eeee> i think it'll work..
[16:44] <Whitor> trying now
[16:44] <felon> dd aint working :/
[16:44] <jhutchins> Hm, getting an occasional error: Unable to connect to the host and port specified
[16:45] <jhutchins> on sat sync for rh7.
[16:47] <Whitor> theadmin, eeee, It did not work in a f1 terminal...  And also, the guest session does the same thing... seems to login ok, then presents a blank screen with a background image
[16:47] <Aarkernes> Hey guys, could I ask if anyone recognises this command? 'atigetsysteminfo.sh'
[16:47] <Whitor> Aarkernes, that is a script
[16:47] <eeee> Whitor: how did this happen?
[16:48] <theadmin> Whitor: Was it always like that or did it work before?
[16:48] <Whitor> eeee,  systems got screwed up when it lost all battery while in a sleep state...
[16:48] <LordDeath> in Unity is there a tool to zoom in the entire desktop?
[16:48] <LordDeath> to show a high-res picture over a beamer
[16:48] <Whitor> theadmin, it used to work perfectly... I'm tempted to do a full re-install after backing up my home dir
[16:48]  * jhutchins was rather obviously on the wrong channel.  Sorry.
[16:48] <theadmin> Whitor: ehh... you can try removing ~/.dconf I think
[16:49] <eeee> Whitor: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:49] <jhutchins> LordDeath: What is a "beamer"?
[16:49] <Whitor> theadmin, I'm willing to try anything... thanks. eeee OK, checking that out now
[16:49] <SchrodingersScat> projector?
[16:49] <LordDeath> jhutchins: sorry, I mean a projector
[16:50] <theadmin> Whitor: I mean, I think that will work -- but I'm not sure I got the folder right and I don't have an Ubuntu to check it on
[16:50] <SchrodingersScat> LordDeath: idk about you, but super+scrollwheel-on-mouse zooms everything in
[16:50] <LordDeath> yes, I thought the English translation would be the same but it wasn't :-S
[16:50] <eeee> SchrodingersScat: isn't it ctrl+scroll wheel on mouse?
[16:51] <SchrodingersScat> eeee: not on my machine now, it's one of those
[16:52] <eeee> ok
[16:52] <Whitor> theadmin, there is not .dconf in my home dir...
[16:52] <tacoinanus> Hey guys, I'm hoping I might be able to get a little bit of help or direction at least. I'm trying to back up some picture files from an ipad that was dropped on ubuntu 14.04 and when I try to mount I get "Unhandled Lockdown error (-20)" I've followed the instructions here:http://www.upubuntu.com/2012/02/fix-unhandled-lockdown-error-when.html and it's repeated everywhere I go, but I still get the error.
[16:52] <theadmin> Whitor: Okay, then I dunno, sorry
[16:52] <Whitor> but thanks anyway, any suggestion is good.
[16:52] <felon> oh i guess it was working
[16:52] <felon> haha
[16:52] <MonkeyDust> Whitor  look in ~/.config/
[16:53] <eeee> Whitor: not sure if he meant ~/.cache/dconf
[16:53] <eeee> Whitor: did you check the log?
[16:53] <felon> dd if=whatever.it.is.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=512
[16:53] <MonkeyDust> Whitor  fin dconf in the hidden folder ~/.config/
[16:54] <eeee> Whitor: there's also ~/.config/dconf
[16:54] <s9suu> Hi. Are there other opportunities to encrypt files and e-mails except of using OpenPGP?
[16:55] <MonkeyDust> !encrypt | s9suu start here
[16:56] <SchrodingersScat> s9suu: gpg/pgp is most common, can grab people's public keys from keyservers, makes it convenient.  otherwise there's several ways to encrypt that you could agree to with your recipient.
[16:57] <guy__> Anyone here compile their own server packages?  When I do, it destroys my desktop - won't load - and I don't why...
[16:58] <s9suu> SchrodingersScat: Well, I don't have anything against PGP but I wanted so know if there are other and simpler opportunities for people I know
[16:58] <SchrodingersScat> !details
[16:58] <tacoinanus> Hey guys, I'm hoping I might be able to get a little bit of help or direction at least. I'm trying to back up some picture files from an ipad that was dropped on ubuntu 14.04 and when I try to mount I get "Unhandled Lockdown error (-20)" I've followed the instructions here:http://www.upubuntu.com/2012/02/fix-unhandled-lockdown-error-when.html and it's repeated everywhere I go, but I still get the error.  Any ideas?
[16:59] <SchrodingersScat> s9suu: :( with the thunderbird add-on I think it is simple..
[17:02] <nusr> finally reinstalled..geez..trying to get virutalbox working and totally messed up the partitions
[17:02] <xangua> tacoinanus: tried to send it via bluetooth,dropbox, mail, something?
[17:02] <tacoinanus> It has a broken screen so I'm unable to do that.
[17:15] <BQ> how do i install a deb file?
[17:16] <arduinoob> So where is the Ubuntu desktop installer that doesn't boot to a desktop first?
[17:17] <genii> BQ: sudo dpkg -i filename    ( if in same directory as the deb file )      Although it begs the question of why you need to manually be installing it.
[17:17] <SchrodingersScat> BQ: dpkg -i packagename.tdeb
[17:18] <genii> !minimal
[17:19] <genii> arduinoob: See bots link above
[17:19] <ryan_46> +
[17:21] <Whitor> eeee no, not yet, got called out for a few... I'm back on it now
[17:21] <Whitor> MonkeyDust, Thanks for that location! much appreciated.
[17:25] <arduinoob> genii: thanks
[17:26] <genii> arduinoob: You're welcome
[17:26] <yecril71pl> I cannot unmount a network share. Please help?
[17:26] <yecril71pl> The message says "Time limit exceeded".
[17:27] <yecril71pl> Are mounted network shares visible from the command line?
[17:27] <expunge> yecril71pl: 'mount'
[17:27] <yecril71pl> But it is not mounted that way.
[17:27] <yecril71pl> It is mounted in Nautilus.
[17:27] <expunge> yecril71pl: no but
[17:28] <yecril71pl> When I tell Nautilus to visit the share, nothing happens.
[17:28] <yecril71pl> When I tell Nautilus to unmount the share, timeout.
[17:28] <expunge> yecril71pl: what are you expecting to happen?
[17:28] <expunge> how're you sharing, exactly?
[17:29] <yecril71pl> ssh, I believe
[17:29] <yecril71pl> Does Nautilus talk to a service and it times out?
[17:30] <yecril71pl> Maybe the service has crashed?
[17:30] <yecril71pl> But then, it does not time out when Nautilus retrieves the list of mounted shares?
[17:31] <expunge> yecril71pl: you believe?
[17:31] <expunge> how'd you tell it to mount?
[17:31] <yecril71pl> I told Nautilus to connect to my server via ssh.
[17:31] <yecril71pl> And it worked.
[17:32] <yecril71pl> Then I used Nautilus to browse the share, and it worked.
[17:32] <yecril71pl> Then I made a terminal session over ssh, and it broke.
[17:32] <yecril71pl> I cannot even disconnect the share.
[17:34] <expunge> yecril71pl: what does 'mount' say about it?
[17:35] <yecril71pl> Nothing, it is not mounted to a mount point.
[17:35] <yecril71pl> It is only Nautilus-mounted.
[17:37] <expunge> yecril71pl: can I see the output of your 'mount' command?
[17:39] <yecril71pl> <URL: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8359371/ >
[17:39] <yecril71pl> It will not help you though; the mount is inaccessible e.g. from Firefox.
[17:40] <yecril71pl> It is visible in Nautilus and in FileRoller but not in Firefox.
[17:40] <expunge> firefox is quite irrelevant
[17:40] <yecril71pl> as is the output of mount
[17:41] <expunge> no, the output of mount tells us that there is no network mount
[17:41] <expunge> it is gone, mount it again
[17:41] <yecril71pl> I do not mount it using mount
[17:41] <yecril71pl> I mount it using Nautilus
[17:41] <yecril71pl> Nautilus does not create mount points in the common sense.
[17:42] <expunge> what makes you think it's mounted now?
[17:42] <yecril71pl> Nautilus Network
[17:43] <yecril71pl> It also shows up when tell FileRoller to open an archive but it is invisible when I tell Firefox to open a file.
[17:43] <sjohnson> hi.  i did: rm -rf /etc/ircd-hybrid to start fresh, and removed / installed it again.  but now it doesn't give me the default .conf files, just a blank /etc/ircd-hybrid dir.
[17:43] <sjohnson> is this normal?
[17:44] <expunge> yecril71pl: does it show up in fileroller now?
[17:44] <earth> hi
[17:44] <yecril71pl> Yes it does, but I cannot display its contents
[17:44] <expunge> hi earth
[17:44] <expunge> yecril71pl: to me, that sounds like it's not mounted =)
[17:44] <expunge> why not mount it with sshfs to see if it works at all
[17:45] <earth> How's ubuntu development? what new to expect?
[17:45] <yecril71pl> Because sshfs is a system-level mount
[17:45] <yecril71pl> while the mount in Nautilus is per desktop session
[17:46] <expunge> earth: ubuntu has very few developers of actual software
[17:46] <expunge> yecril71pl: no sshfs is per-user-that-ran-it
[17:46] <earth> ANy changes in coming release of Ubuntu?
[17:46] <yecril71pl> Even though I need to sudo?
[17:46] <MonkeyDust> earth  but that's a discussion for #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:47] <yecril71pl> earth: unknown filesystem type sshfs
[17:48] <yecril71pl> expunge: ^
[17:48] <expunge> yecril71pl: you have to install sshfs first, ask apt-cache search about it
[17:49] <bazhang> !14.10 | earth
[17:50] <derFiet> hello channel
[17:50] <yecril71pl> expunge: I installed sshfs, I got the same error from mount
[17:51] <expunge> yecril71pl: try mounting with sshfs
[17:51] <expunge> derFiet: hi
[17:52] <yecril71pl> expunge: I tried, unknown filesystem type sshfs
[17:52] <expunge> yecril71pl: via what command?
[17:52] <yecril71pl> mount ssh:host /tmp/host -t sshfs
[17:54] <Whitor> Can I start a gui program from an F1 terminal and have it execute in the F7 graphics mode?
[17:54] <expunge> sshfs has its own command/syntax
[17:54] <expunge> sshfs user@host:optional/path mount/point
[17:54] <EriC^^> Whitor: export DISPLAY=:0
[17:54] <yecril71pl> OK, I got it.
[17:54] <expunge> Whitor: DISPLAY=:0 foo &>/dev/null &
[17:55] <expunge> Whitor: or whatever ps aux | grep X says the # is
[17:55] <yecril71pl> The sshfs mount works.
[17:55] <Whitor> EriC^^,  cool thansk eeee too! thanks !
[17:55] <yecril71pl> Nautilus still goes crazy.
[17:55] <expunge> actually: DISPLAY=:0 nohup foo &>/dev/null &
[17:55] <EriC^^> Whitor: no problem! (im eeee btw :P )
[18:03] <yecril71pl> Is there a dash scope for info?
[18:12] <styles> Hey guys, I keep having a weird random error. My mouse will freeze and them my screen goes black. Now sometimes I can unplug my DVI cable and plug it back in, and the screen works again.
[18:17] <dtcrshr> ls
[18:17] <runa> heyas :) my new laptop has a numeric keypad and when I press 'page_up' which is under the '9', nothing happens. this is the xev output when I press it: https://gist.github.com/runa/f5b7664b1c29906fd858 . any hints?
[18:18] <c|oneman> I installed ubuntu 14.04 server 64bit. I didn't customize anything, except that I selected the lamp server at install time. I would have liked to have a minimal installation, ask im only gonna use lamp. How should I have proceeded?
[18:18] <TJ-> runa: You need to toggle the NumLock key
[18:18] <Whitor> .xsession-errors show  Xlib extension "GLX" missing on display ":0"     This looks pertinant to my issue
[18:18] <runa> TJ-: if I toggle it, I get a '9'
[18:19] <TJ-> c|oneman: sounds like you got a minimal system, unless you also selected other tasks than LAMP
[18:19] <runa> TJ-: https://gist.github.com/runa/f5b7664b1c29906fd858#comment-1300789
[18:19] <c|oneman> oh, ok. So server by default is minimal if you don't change anything?
[18:19] <TJ-> runa: Ahhh ... it could be you need to select a different keyboard mapping
[18:19] <Whitor> I do get two dialog boxes reporting a system crash, do I want to report? ... but after answering those, I get no unity interface (nor is there one visible before answering those)
[18:20] <TJ-> c|oneman: Core base Ubuntu + whatever packages are installed by the tasks you choose
[18:20] <runa> TJ-: maybe; letme google that
[18:20] <Whitor> .xsession-errors shows init: update-notifier-crash (....blah blah blah) terminatedwith status 1
[18:20] <c|oneman> How much ram should be used after the first reboot?
[18:23] <TJ-> c|oneman: That depends on which services are running, can't say I've ever looked to hard on a fresh system
[18:26] <smart_developer> Would anyone know how to name your logging configuration file under /etc/rsyslog.d/ ?
[18:26] <smart_developer> would it be like: /etc/rsyslog.d/00-my-file.conf
[18:27] <smart_developer> ?
[18:27] <smart_developer> Is the 00 correct?
[18:29] <expunge> smart_developer: that's for telling whatever is looking at the files in rsyslog.d that it is the highest priority
[18:29] <expunge> "to be run first", etc.
[18:29] <geirha> smart_developer: name shouldn't matter much. Just has to end with .conf
[18:29] <smart_developer> Okay, but 00 seems like it would be an "edge case"
[18:29] <smart_developer> meaning that, only special files should have that high of a priority.
[18:30] <expunge> =)
[18:30] <smart_developer> And that might lead to the possibility of this conf file not even being looked at / run.
[18:30] <expunge> if there are no other files in there, it won't matter
[18:30] <smart_developer> What if someone else comes in and adds " 00-their-file.conf "
[18:30] <smart_developer> and my 00-my-file.conf is still there?
[18:30] <expunge> what if someone else comes in and dd's over your whole FS
[18:30] <geirha> smart_developer: the files get read in sorted order. 00-something.conf means it gets read before 20-ufw.conf for example
[18:31] <geirha> (since 00 sorts before 20)
[18:31] <expunge> yay repetition...
[18:33] <geirha> smart_developer: thus 00-their-file.conf will be read after 00-my-file.conf since M comes before T in the alphabet
[18:33] <expunge> ....
[18:33] <expunge> do we have to talk about this forever?
[18:35] <unkn-error> how can I see how many processor are used?
[18:35] <unkn-error> I mean If I have
[18:35] <unkn-error> 64 Cpu
[18:35] <unkn-error> and I wish to see if they are used all
[18:35] <unkn-error> or there are used only 1 or 2 of them?
[18:36] <unkn-error> like "free -h" but free is for ram memory, not for cpu
[18:36] <unkn-error> is there a command like that?
[18:37] <expunge> unkn-error: less /proc/cpuinfo
[18:37] <smart_developer> geirha : Thank you.
[18:38] <smart_developer> expunge : Thank you
[18:38] <smart_developer> Thank you both.
[18:38] <smart_developer> :)
[18:38] <unkn-error> expunge, that way I see only the info of the processor but not the % if they are used
[18:39] <smart_developer> In /etc/rsyslog.d/00-my-file.conf
[18:39] <expunge> unkn-error: try 'top'
[18:40] <unkn-error> thx!
[18:40] <expunge> or htop
[18:41] <BlakeRG> brand new install of ubuntu server and i get this http://i.imgur.com/dsjWJJb.png
[18:42] <BlakeRG> running apt-get update, anyone know whats up?
[18:42] <smart_developer> My /etc/rsyslog.d/00-my-file.conf looks like this:
[18:42] <smart_developer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8359735/
[18:43] <smart_developer> I am trying to log the output of any program name containing the substring some_name, into a log file called /var/log/my_program.log
[18:43] <smart_developer> What is the significance of the " & ~ " in the second line?
[18:43] <theshadow1> How long should cryptdisks take to start up?
[18:43] <smart_developer> (the second line of http://paste.ubuntu.com/8359735/ )
[18:44] <smart_developer> which are the contents of my /etc/rsyslog.d/00-my-file.conf file.
[18:44] <fenrig> hi
[18:44] <fenrig> Gparted cant find any of my windows 7 partition
[18:45] <smart> hello I installed luckybackup when I was using Ubuntu 12.04 but after upgrading I can't import a luckybackup profile??
[18:45] <fenrig> now i read the installer uses gparted for detecting partitions and so I cant properly install ubuntu to my laptop
[18:45] <EriC^^> fenrig: is this a mbr ? that was once a gpt?
[18:46] <fenrig> EriC^^: I think its a gpt one because the laptop had win 8.1 preinstalled
[18:46] <fenrig> EriC^^: but still gparted cant really find any usefull partition
[18:46] <smart> I dont think it is because the version upgrade because I did install luckybackup manually
[18:46] <expunge> smart: what's it say when you try?
[18:47] <smart> expunge I only can see the .profile files via nautilus...when trying to import them they simply arent visible
[18:48] <expunge> smart: right click, show hidden?
[18:48] <nuke_> i need help connecting to wifi...iwlist wlan0 shows my ssid but i cant get WPA auth to work
[18:48] <fenrig> back
[18:49] <smart> expunge...I am already under show hidden option for .luckybackup/profiles is a hidden folder
[18:49] <fenrig> now gparted does complain about a missing fake msdos partition layout
[18:49] <Bobbo> What's the term for ubuntu with gnome these days? Is is gubuntu like kubuntu, lubuntu... etc?
[18:49] <eraybron> quit
[18:49] <expunge> smart: what does 'find ~/.luckbackup' say?
[18:49] <expunge> Bobbo: Ubuntu, with gnome-shell installed
[18:50] <expunge> !notunity
[18:50] <Bobbo> I meant... like... There's a distro for it like there is kubuntu, right?
[18:50] <SchrodingersScat> gnu/linux+ubuntu+gnome
[18:50] <smart> expunge endless list of files
[18:51] <smart> expunge oh it was the search...
[18:51] <smart> at the end it says find: «.luckybackup»: No existe el archivo o el directorio
[18:52] <cestdiego> hello
[18:52] <smart> expunge oh bad spelling
[18:52] <SIGKILLer> Bobbo: Just "Ubuntu Gnome", I believe. It is not an official Ubuntu derivative, though, like Kubuntu, Edubuntu and so on.
[18:52] <SIGKILLer> Bobbo: http://ubuntugnome.org/
[18:53] <expunge> smart: TAB completion is your friend
[18:53] <fenrig> Ah found it
[18:53] <xvzf> hi there https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+package/cinnamon says cinnnamon is available for trusty tahr but I cannot find it through apt-get install. How can I install it?
[18:53] <expunge> Bobbo: ordinary 'Ubuntu' (with Unity) is about 90% GNOME anyways
[18:53] <fenrig> apparently my gpt signatures were wrong
[18:53] <expunge> xvzf: read more of that page
[18:53] <fenrig> just run fixparts on the partition
[18:53] <fenrig> sudo fixparts /dev/sda
[18:53] <smart> expunge it says exactly the same I see when doing nautilus browse
[18:53] <fenrig> and then let it fix it
[18:53] <cestdiego> Hi, I want to build my own Ubuntu "distro"derivative, but what it really is is just the same old Ubuntu with emacs preloaded with my config, xmonad as WM (but also unity) and Numix Theme as default. Should I be using this guide ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[18:53] <expunge> smart: ok
[18:54] <expunge> smart: not sure, what are the backups made up of?
[18:54] <fenrig> and at mbr promt you just do q and then dont save anything and the problem is fixed
[18:54]  * expunge prefers non-super-high-level-proprietary-backups for this reason
[18:54] <smart> expunge a single folder
[18:54] <smart> containing a few archives
[18:55] <Renkon> Hello.
[18:55] <Fr0Zn> hello
[18:55] <netlar> Hi there
[18:55] <smart> expunge but the point is the program seems like it forgot any previous profile... just the default one stayed
[18:55] <Renkon> In which channel am I able to ask a question about BASH scripting?
[18:56] <smart> expunge and...I cant import the one I have in that hidden luckybackup folder
[18:56] <EriC^^> #bash ?
[18:56] <Renkon> Thank you very much.
[18:57] <expunge> smart: sounds like a poor program
[18:57] <smart> expunge I openned it under root privileges
[18:58] <Bashing-om> xvzf: http://m.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/29/cinnamon_2_0_review/ ; http://ubuntuportal.com/2014/05/how-to-install-cinnamon-2-2-in-ubuntu-14-04-lts.html .
[18:58] <SchrodingersScat> is luckybackup the newest locker-malware?
[18:59] <expunge> wha?
[18:59] <smart> expunge: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=77193
[18:59] <smart> expunge: see the faded box in the file type selection?
[19:00] <synmuffin> hey all, has anyone installed ubuntu server on IBM System P5?
[19:00] <AlexC_> Gmorning
[19:00] <expunge> smart: find ~/.luckyBackup/profiles
[19:00] <expunge> AlexC_: heya
[19:00] <smart> expunge I did
[19:00] <AlexC_> I've got an issue whereby once I've turned off the Network Proxy, it seems something is still persisting the data. e.g. curl is still trying to connect through the configured IP
[19:01] <smart> expunge I can see there my profiles but the program import wont!!!
[19:01] <cestdiego> has anyone build their own customized ubuntu distro?
[19:01] <CodeGosu> sudo PM_DEBUG=true pm-suspend, wakes in a moment
[19:01] <CodeGosu> any easy fix?
[19:01] <EriC^^> cestdiego: yeah see mint
[19:01] <EriC^^> :P
[19:02] <expunge> smart: fix the program, then
[19:02] <cestdiego> EriC^^: I meant someone here, I want to build my own too
[19:02] <cestdiego> EriC^^: not a whole new distro with shiny new stuff, just ubuntu with numix theme by default and my emacs conf preloaded, also xmonad as an option of WM
[19:03] <Ontological> Anybody got HF_RD working for their bluetooth headset?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/508522
[19:03] <Whitor> well, theadmin, MonkeyDust, eeee, EriC^^, k1l_  Thank you all for your assistance. I have finally obtained my desktop back with window borders and unity...! thank you all. you were all a help.
[19:04] <smart> expunge: when I do: $sudo luckybackup from terminal the program opens and I see no complainning...I dont think the program is needing a fix
[19:04] <cestdiego> ...
[19:05] <Thalia23>  You can find funny videos here. http://tinyurl.com/ozfvxy3
[19:06] <xvzf> Bashing-om, thanks
[19:06] <xvzf> expunge, thanks
[19:06] <smart> expunge: but it is not importing profles...thanks for your time anyway...I probably will try to reinstall it
[19:07] <deathstroke> hi all!
[19:07] <Bashing-om> xvzf: :)
[19:08] <deathstroke> i have problems with my HDD and SO Ubuntu
[19:08] <deathstroke> and i need help
[19:08] <Bashing-om> !ASK | deathstroke
[19:09] <cestdiego> !patience
[19:09] <cestdiego> oh yeaash
[19:09] <AlexC_> My Network Proxy settings seem to be stuck even when I set it back to no proxy for HTTPS. Seems it still tries to use the proxy address. Any ideas?
[19:09] <netlar> !patience | netlar
[19:09] <cestdiego> !patience | netlar
[19:11] <nuke_> i have the the latest 14.04 installed, trying to get wifi connected, iwlist shows my ssid but wpa supplicant fails to connect with reason=3 locally_generated=1 error, i cant find any fix for it, help please
[19:11] <deathstroke> :) sorry, my question is...when i see my files -- propieties i see for example file 5kb and in the other line file in HDD 50 mb. This have a solution?? Sorry for my english
[19:11] <netlar> cestdiego: Sorry
[19:12] <cestdiego> netlar: sorry I thought it was a comand to be passed through a pipe, I didn't pay attention that it was your username, hahaha so ashamed :(
[19:12] <netlar> ok, np
[19:15] <Bashing-om> deathstroke: That does not compute on any level. as 5 Kilibytes is equal to 0.005 Megabytes. Are yoiu sure your terminology is correct ?
[19:17] <Bashing-om> kilibytes/Kilobytes* yoiu/you*
[19:17] <deathstroke> a simply example....image file 112.4 kb in HDD 917.5 kb example dvd 4.7 in HDD 35 GB
[19:17] <SchrodingersScat> does not compute
[19:18] <Pici> Maybe a screenshot will help?
[19:18] <AlexC_> How can I debug why curl is still trying to use my old Network Proxy settings, even when configured to use no proxy any more?
[19:18] <AlexC_> (not just curl, but that's one way I can replicate this issue)
[19:19] <Bashing-om> deathstroke: .iso files ?? as compressed images as opposed to extracted ??
[19:21] <SchrodingersScat> Bashing-om: does that make sense though? 35GB -> 4.7?
[19:22] <Bashing-om> SchrodingersScat: Nope, but maybe as 35GB (compressed) and 47GB expanded ???
[19:22] <SchrodingersScat> heh
[19:23] <Bashing-om> SchrodingersScat: deathstroke // We do what we can to understand, and all come to a meeting of the mind(s).
[19:25] <BlakeRG> Does anyone know whats going on here on a brand new fresh install of Ubuntu server? http://i.imgur.com/ljApBZp.png
[19:27] <SpaghettiCat> AlexC_:  use `strace` to see which config files it accesses
[19:27] <jee1mr> USB pendrive became read-only. No write permissions. How to fix on ubuntu?
[19:28] <EriC^^> jee1mr: mount -o remount,rw /dev/sdxY
[19:29] <jee1mr> ount: cannot remount block device /dev/sdc1 read-write, is write-protected
[19:29] <jee1mr> mount*
[19:29] <cablop> hello
[19:29] <expunge> jee1mr: sudo?
[19:29] <expunge> cablop: hi
[19:29] <jee1mr> Yup. sudo
[19:30] <jee1mr> doesn't work with sudo
[19:30] <jee1mr> The type has become vFat
[19:30] <cablop> i have this issue: i installed an ubuntu-server, i installed an xfce for it, but it is launching a lightdm, i want to cleanly disable the lightdm, and just start the x via command line
[19:30] <cablop> how can i do it?
[19:32] <rberg_> jee1mr: I have seen usb sticks do that when they start failing
[19:32] <Bashing-om> BlakeRG: Not making much sense as a fresh install .. Look at : /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package_name>.md5sums , do these files exist, or are they corrupted ?
[19:33] <BlakeRG> Bashing-om: i just did a re-install and the same issue us happening
[19:33] <pbx> cablop, apt-get remove lightdm?
[19:33] <jee1mr> rberg_: What's the fix?
[19:33] <rberg_> in my case: new usb stick
[19:33] <jee1mr> Damn!
[19:34] <cablop> pbx: nope, it is not cleanly disabling it
[19:34] <EriC^^> jee1mr: were you able to mount it with write access before?
[19:34] <rberg_> jee1mr: first be sure there isnt a slide lock to set write protect like sdcards have
[19:35] <jee1mr> EriC^^: Yes. It used to mount automatically
[19:35] <jee1mr> rberg_: No, there isn't any
[19:37] <rberg_> jee1mr: you can try "hdparm -r 0 /dev/" before declaring it dead.. add the correct device and be sure its correct :)
[19:38] <cmanns> Hey ubuntu
[19:38] <cmanns> Just got my friend on Lubuntu again, older version we used WUBI and he originally dug it alittle bit. Any suggestions of Distro for
[19:38] <Bashing-om> BlakeRG: Can't say right off hand ? does the GPG file exist ? "/etc/apt/trusted.gpg" and does this directory exist : /home/<you>/.gnupg/ ??
[19:38] <cmanns> Dell Dimension 2400- P4 - Intel 845GL graphics, 2gb ram
[19:38] <jee1mr> rberg_: /dev/sdc1:
[19:38] <jee1mr>  setting readonly to 0 (off)
[19:38] <jee1mr>  readonly      =  0 (off)
[19:38] <BlakeRG> Bashing-om: this is on 12.04 LTS, i am just going to give version 14 a try
[19:39] <cmanns> It's often CPU bound, and graphics is slow
[19:39] <rberg_> jee1mr: maybe try it with out the partition number
[19:39] <jee1mr> rberg_: But it didn't fix anything
[19:39] <cmanns> yeah dont use partition #
[19:39] <Bashing-om> BlakeRG: Yeah, can try that .. interesting though that this fault exists.. maybe a bug-report is in order here ???
[19:39] <jee1mr> you mean just /dev or /dev/sdc?
[19:40] <rberg_>  /dev/sdc
[19:40] <kamdjou> Please Is it possible to control station using xp with a Server running Ubuntu ?
[19:40] <cmanns> Use /dev/sdc
[19:40] <jee1mr> same result
[19:40] <cmanns> Do you guys have suggested hdd tuning for older IDE?
[19:40] <Snake2k> Ubuntu > Life
[19:40] <cmanns> readahead/writecache?
[19:40] <jee1mr> It set readonly to 0
[19:41] <jee1mr> but no effect
[19:41] <BlakeRG> Bashing-om: it's definitely a bug as i did a fresh minimal install twice with no modifications and i get that error when i run "apt-get update"
[19:42] <expunge> cmanns: hdparm ?
[19:42] <cmanns> Yeah
[19:42] <jee1mr> rberg_: So, is it dead?
[19:42] <Bashing-om> BlakeRG: IF you have the time to mess with it ( and assumming 14.04 installs ) would do our world a favor to report it to the developers ( bug report) .
[19:43] <rberg_> sounds just like mine.. and I never got it working again.. so probably
[19:45] <kamdjou> #gcdc
[19:49] <cmanns> no hdparm tuning tips?
[19:49] <expunge> cmanns: "tuning" is ambiguous
[19:50] <cmanns> ok
[19:50] <Bashing-om> BlakeRG: Maybe this bug ? https://lists.debian.org/deity/2014/02/msg00019.html ??
[19:52] <Bashing-om> BlakeRG: More to the point: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1369256 .
[19:56] <TJ-> BlakeRG: Bashing-om  I'd suspect captive portal issues; check the contents of the files reported, they should be text/plain but a captive portal will return a text/html document. The other cause is the archive is updating the mirror.
[19:59] <copystring> hi guys, i think i got a hidden dhcp server on my ubuntu. i can't seem to find it though. it seems to listen on port 67 but with "netstat -tapen | grep 67" it won't show up
[19:59] <copystring> anyone got any ideas?
[20:03] <vexati0n> quick somebody make a huge donation to Canonical so updates don't download at 98kB/s
[20:04] <MonkeyDust> vexati0n  done, should be ok now!
[20:08] <tinmanpiano> I just intalled 14.04 on a server and I am trying to start a GUI session
[20:08] <tinmanpiano> normally you run gnome-session to do it
[20:08] <tinmanpiano> but it is not working anymore
[20:08] <tinmanpiano> I assume this has something to do with unity?
[20:08] <tinmanpiano> how can I start a unity session?
[20:08] <EriC^^> tinmanpiano:  which desktop did you install?
[20:08] <Bashing-om> TJ-: BlakeRG Yeah corrpted file(s) was my 1st thought, But I have no idea as to the why on fresh install this corruption could occur .
[20:09] <tinmanpiano> @EriC ubuntu-desktop
[20:09] <BlakeRG> a fresh install of 14.x works, but be a bug in just that version
[20:09] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: no idea about the issue, but maybe the .iso was damaged?
[20:10] <TJ-> Bashing-om: captive portals are famous for it, I've seen it in corporate environments where an open wifi network is joined but it requires HTTP based authentication first, but doesn't return 404 errors, only a 302
[20:10] <tinmanpiano> Eric^^: I ran sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[20:11] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Could be, but BlakeRG has re-done from scratch - I would think he did verify (??) - assumming can make an "ass out of U and me " ! .
[20:11] <TJ-> BlakeRG: If it was temporary the most likely cause is the US mirror archive was being updated, with the checksum file not caught up with the Package/Release files.
[20:11] <genii> tinmanpiano: That should also have installed the login manager which is what you'd normally login from and not by running gnome-session or such on cli. You might try sudo service lightdm start
[20:11] <BlakeRG> not sure this matters but i downloaded the ISO via torrent, which i think has some checksumming in it
[20:12] <TJ-> BlakeRG: The ISO wouldn't cause this, it happens due to the Package files being downloaded from the archive server not matching the checksum file on the same server
[20:13] <cmanns> Whats a good program to connect to openvpn on ubuntu
[20:13] <Fuchs> cmanns: networkmanager has a plugin
[20:13] <Bashing-om> BlakeRG: ^^, also will not take nut a minute to check the .iso's integrity: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM .
[20:13] <Fuchs> which integrates nicely into networkmanager, which makes it very simple
[20:15] <Bashing-om> TJ-: OK, Makes sense that the " us.archive.ubuntu.com" mirror site updating could cause this.. so just try again in a bit ?
[20:16] <TJ-> Bashing-om: Sometimes the "partial/" directory needs cleaning out but usually the problem 'goes away' once the archive is fully synced
[20:16] <cmanns> Fuchs thanks
[20:16] <Fuchs> you're welcome
[20:20] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Thanks heaps .. will be interesting to see how this plays out.
[20:20] <cmanns> How do I add PPA's
[20:20] <expunge> it says where the ppa is
[20:21] <sfdebug> does anyone has ideia how to do a "vagrant up" in the ubuntu boot? i tried put it on /etc/rc.local but didn't work...
[20:21] <Bashing-om> !ppa | cmanns
[20:22] <cmanns> yay got it
[20:23] <TJ-> I've got an interesting issue here; On 14.04 amd64, just completed "apt-get upgrade" and now "apt-get dist-upgrade" wants to REMOVE wine1.7 (from ubuntu-wine PPA)) but not replace it! http://paste.ubuntu.com/8360359/
[20:23] <cmanns> Lastly
[20:23] <cmanns> How do i enable ssh over public internet?
[20:23] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Whooahh ! Now that just ain't right !
[20:24] <TJ-> Bashing-om: Yeah, and I almost misread it as a straight upgrade but the large autoremove list made me pause
[20:24] <treehug88> cmanns: what do you mean. How do you allow incoming SSH connections from anywhere in the internet?
[20:24] <cmanns> Yeah
[20:25] <treehug88> well, what's blocking them now
[20:25] <cmanns> Using terminal in teamviewer on this p4 is awful
[20:25] <treehug88> ?
[20:25] <cmanns> havent tried to login just about to
[20:25] <treehug88> culprits would likely be iptables and/or hosts.deny (tcpwrappers)
[20:25] <cmanns> ok
[20:25] <cmanns> I need to really help this p4 lol
[20:25] <cmanns> its so slow
[20:26] <cmanns> chromium takes like 1 minute to open
[20:26] <treehug88> by default I think ubuntu leaves ssh port open
[20:26] <cmanns> Seems closed
[20:26] <cmanns> i'll try over vpn
[20:26] <Bashing-om> TJ-: I saw the similar issue on ubuntuforum.org .. not interested in wine, so did not follow up .. might look at the forum and see ??.
[20:26] <treehug88> cmanns: check /etc/hosts.deny, and the output of iptables-save
[20:27] <cmanns> ill just do openvpn
[20:27] <treehug88> if those don't give hints, check your logs too
[20:27] <cmanns> We play flightgear over it
[20:27] <cmanns> I hope network-manager-openvpn works on lubuntu
[20:31] <Hawkerz> has anyone got any experience running a dock (docky/cairo/whatever) in addition to the unity launcher, as a supplement?
[20:31] <Hawkerz> not really clear about the pros and cons of each
[20:31] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Think it was 'slickmaster' that was working it - he is pretty sharp ! - Might holler at him on #ubuntuforums .
[20:32] <Bashing-om> slickymaster **
[20:32] <Beldar> Hawkerz, try them out your opinion is what matters.
[20:32] <ryan_46> \`]
[20:33] <TJ-> Bashing-om: Nailed it - the recent clash between nvidia-340 package's nvidia-libopencl1 and the ocl-icd- versions (the FOSS packages have the wrong Depends/Breaks/Conflicts)  http://paste.ubuntu.com/8360389/
[20:33] <Hawkerz> Beldar, I was mainly just looking for feedback on whether they play nicely together
[20:33] <Hawkerz> sorry, I wasn't explicit enough about that
[20:34] <Beldar> Hawkerz, This is support both work fine with most any desktop, they are flexible, we don't really do polling.
[20:34] <cmanns> I added vpn but how do I connect?
[20:34] <tinkerbot> cmanns: you need the openVPN client and keys. that's it
[20:35] <Beldar> Hawkerz, Both easily installed and removed or run or turned off.
[20:35] <TJ-> Bashing-om: bug 1247736
[20:35] <cmanns> I was using the network manager plugin
[20:35] <cmanns> I have setup the vpn yet it has no option to "connect"
[20:35] <tinkerbot> or, if you used openvpnAS (access server), it's as simple as downloading the generated exe.
[20:35] <tinkerbot> oh ok, gotcha
[20:36] <cmanns> This vpn is used by many in my organization I can set it up fine but idk why thereis no connect button
[20:36] <Hawkerz> Beldar, hmmk, I'll see if I can get some input elsewhere, thanks
[20:36] <tinkerbot> it should be under "configure VPN" -> Add
[20:36] <cmanns> yeah I did all that
[20:37] <Beldar> Hawkerz, You're looking for subjective opinions, form your own by trying them out.
[20:37] <tinkerbot> cmanns: "Left click the network manager applet and select VPN Connections then click on your connection to connect." --ubuntu help
[20:37] <cmanns> ah it works
[20:37] <cmanns> now :D
[20:38] <Hawkerz> Beldar, I am looking for subjective opinions about functionality, I accept that this may not be the place for it, so I'm going to stop...
[20:38] <zalg> hi :D
[20:39] <gorelative_1> i have a question regarding sources.list
[20:39] <gorelative_1> im trying to setup puppet to manage sources.list.. should i have it replace the contents of sources.list with my own mirror URLs
[20:39] <gorelative_1> or should i create new ones in sources.list.d
[20:39] <gorelative_1> basically which takes precedence
[20:39] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Yeah ! Now that you have mentioned it, it do ring a bell ! Regret that I did not make the connection, and you are some kind of good ! to find it this quick !
[20:40] <tinkerbot> gorelative_1: sources.list
[20:40] <gorelative_1> okay hmm i think puppet/apt only changes sources.list.d
[20:40] <gorelative_1> hmph
[20:42] <tinkerbot> .d is the directory containing source files- you want to modify the *.list file(s) within
[20:42] <TJ-> Bashing-om: I had already worked on that bug some weeks ago; this just jogged my memory :)
[20:43] <gorelative_1> tinkerbot right, but what im asking is /etc/apt/sources.list is a file. RIght now im changing that list to be my mirror URL instead of archive.ubuntu.com for example..
[20:43] <gorelative_1> should i instead be creating a file under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/somefile.list
[20:43] <gorelative_1> and adding those mirror URLs in there instead
[20:44] <tinkerbot> gorelative_1: you could, sure.
[20:44] <tinkerbot> meshing them in one file vs multiple is purely for organization
[20:44]  * m3n3chm0 re all
[20:44] <gorelative_1> so the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* take precedence over /etc/apt/sources.list?
[20:44] <TJ-> gorelative_1: All entries in "/etc/apt/sources.list" and "/etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list" are combined (by run-parts) - there is no precedence
[20:44] <gorelative_1> ah okay
[20:44] <gorelative_1> thanks :)
[20:44] <sfdebug> does anyone has ideia how to do a "vagrant up" in the ubuntu boot? i tried put it on /etc/rc.local but didn't work...
[20:45] <TJ-> gorelative_1: For your purposes I'd delete "/etc/apt/sources.list" and put your own in the sources.list.d/ directory
[20:46] <TJ-> gorelative_1: The point of packages using run-parts is that we can add user or custom settings without modifying the package-installed main file - so package upgrades can alter their main config files without asking the sys-admin to deal with config file diffs
[20:46] <gorelative_1> makes complete sense
[20:47] <TJ-> gorelative_1: Admittedly, apt is unique in that regard in that the initial sources.list is generated, not shipped in the package, but best to stick to the correct procedure for run-parts ;)
[20:50] <cmanns__> not able to ssh even over vpn
[20:51] <cmanns__> hm
[20:51] <cmanns__> Seens the VPN is breaking teh interwebs
[20:51] <TJ-> cmanns__: Is the routing table correct?
[20:51] <cmanns__> I can't check I'm remote :(
[20:51] <cmanns__> having him reboot
[20:51] <TJ-> cmanns__: I'd suspect the VPN is taking over the default route, and you don't want that
[20:51] <cmanns__> with stock openvpn network manager stuff setup properly to connect to our vpn it says connection successful
[20:51] <cmanns__> I think I want it that way we want all traffic routed through the vpn
[20:52] <TJ-> cmanns__: OK... and are DNS nameservers also being updated
[20:52] <cmanns__> No idea though any nameservers can be used with the vpn
[20:53] <cmanns__> trying to get ssh going so I can stop using teamviewer
[20:53] <cmanns__> we need openvpn anyways for flightgear
[20:54] <TJ-> cmanns__: check sshd is listening on the vpn interface (or all), then check firewall rules, and of course ensure routing is working in both directions, including forwarding
[20:54] <cmanns__> _ has userhost ~cmanns@dns01.xenserv.net
[20:54] <cmanns__> I'm on right now lol vpn works
[20:55] <cmanns__> All configure options on network manager seem correct
[20:55] <cmanns__> Does ubuntu require anys pecific to get vpn working?
[20:55] <cmanns__> Also how do I disable iptables?
[20:56] <cmanns__> I set openvpn to addresses only and manualy specified googles dns
[20:56] <cmanns__> that might be it
[20:56] <cmanns__> maybe it was trying to use his internal lans dns
[20:57] <tinkerbot> cmanns__: are you trying to SSH into the machine you're VPN'ed into?
[20:57] <cmanns__> Yeah but the vpn doesnt work yet
[20:58] <cmanns__> no internet
[20:58] <tinkerbot> ahh. ew.
[20:58] <cmanns__> ?
[20:58] <tinkerbot> things not working. ew.
[20:58] <cmanns__> Also any way to completely remove ubuntu firewall?
[20:58] <cmanns__> ah yeah
[20:58] <cmanns__> This is a great vpn too I get over 60mbps on it, I play counter strike competitive through it lol
[20:58] <cmanns__> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1660520&page=2
[20:58] <cmanns__> Seems firewall is culprit
[20:58] <tinkerbot> by firewall you mean iptables? you can flush them if there's nothing important. although if it's public-facing, I'd be careful.
[20:59] <tinkerbot> flush the rules, rather
[21:00] <Munchedness> Hey guys. I've got an issue with an NAS unit; it's onboard BCM5704 NIC's are using tg3, and for some reason they are "unclaimed". This is Ubuntu 14.04 server, so there's no GUI to work with. I've tried a few things already, just running out of ideas
[21:00] <TJ-> For egress, no netfilter rules are usually required if OUTPUT chain policy is ACCEPT
[21:00] <tinkerbot> if all else fails, openvpnAS https://openvpn.net/index.php/access-server/overview.html is really easy to setup, and requires no modification aside from installing the package.
[21:00] <cmanns__> that would require me to re-configure my VPN that my businesses uses tinkerbot
[21:01] <cmanns__> and we'd have to pay
[21:01] <cmanns__> The issue is the routing
[21:01] <cmanns__> man this HDD is so slow lol
[21:01] <cmanns__> I went to enable DMA and it's not possible
[21:02] <TJ-> Munchedness: "modinfo tg3 | grep firmware" ... check the firware files are installed (/lib/firmware/ - package linux-image-`uname -r`)
[21:03] <cmanns__> yep vpn has no routing
[21:03] <cmanns__> Even if I tell it to only use its self for resources
[21:03] <Munchedness> TJ- I have some results.
[21:04] <TJ-> Munchedness: Have you also checked "/var/log/kern.log" for indications as to why the tg3 module didn't get loaded automatically?
[21:06] <cmanns__> The vpn has routes
[21:06] <Munchedness> TJ- No, but I'm looking now. When I would to sudo modprobe tg3, no errors were generated
[21:06] <smart_developer> What are some techniques/methods you could do to optimize the kernel for your applications?
[21:06] <Munchedness> but, it is not binding to eth0
[21:07] <daum> guy guys anyone else noticing fonts are really bad in chromium 37 vs earlier ones?
[21:07] <Munchedness> In order to obtain some backports and stuff, I stuck another PCI NIC in the system;; but I want to pull that and get these onboards working again so I can re-rack this thing
[21:07] <smart_developer> I'm sure it depends on the nature of the applications, but let's say that you have a set of different types of applications.
[21:07] <smart_developer> How do you start / what techniques do you use?
[21:07] <cmanns__> but I can't ping openvpn gateway
[21:09] <TJ-> cmanns__: From the client, are you ping-ing to the VPN end-point, the VPN sub-net gateway, or the VPN server's host IP?
[21:10] <cmanns__> The vpn gateway IP that I can use to ssh to the vpn server
[21:10] <cmanns__> I can't ping other clients ont eh vpn either and this works fine cept on this new lubuntu install
[21:11] <CarlFK> double click an image, it opens with "The GNOME image viewer. 3.10.2"  according to the ^p print dialog, the image is 2"x3"  - how do I scale it up to 8x11?
[21:11] <CarlFK> (rather not have to use gimp or something.. was hoping to hit "fit to page, print."
[21:12] <SchrodingersScat> not sure if fit to page would change the print.. i was thinking imagemagick or gimp yeah
[21:12] <SchrodingersScat> something like gimp could adjust it on the page without saving, afaik, so there's that
[21:13] <CarlFK> SchrodingersScat: the print dialog lets me scale it smaller.  seems odd that it won't go larger than 100%
[21:13] <TJ-> cmanns__: " I set openvpn to addresses only" - the client needs to accept routing table updates from the server; that setting might discard them along with DHCP options - long time since I tested that, though
[21:14] <cmanns__> I have done the other vpn option too
[21:14] <cmanns__> there is routes
[21:14] <Munchedness> Hey TJ did you get that last message?
[21:14] <gorelative> racking my head on this one ... http://askubuntu.com/questions/524897/trying-to-pxe-install-14-04-with-local-mirror-but-install-keeps-reaching-out-to
[21:15] <Munchedness> My issue is this- *-network:1 UNCLAIMED
[21:15] <Munchedness>        description: Ethernet controller
[21:15] <Munchedness>        product: NetXtreme BCM5704 Gigabit Ethernet
[21:15] <Munchedness> it's ubuntu server 14.04
[21:15] <cmanns__> Any suggestions to speed up an IDE drive?
[21:15] <SchrodingersScat> !broadcom | Munchedness
[21:15] <SchrodingersScat> oh
[21:16] <Munchedness> iv'e followed that entire guide- this adapter uses tg3 not bcm43
[21:16] <SchrodingersScat> yeah, ethernet, nvm
[21:16] <Munchedness> I think there is an issue with tg3- because the firmwares are present, yet the driver does not bing to eth0
[21:16] <cmanns__> enabling compression fixed the openvpn guys
[21:16] <cmanns__> :)
[21:16] <Munchedness> nice cmanns
[21:17] <cmanns__> ok so port 22 is closed on ubuntu
[21:17] <cmanns__> How do I open firewall fully?
[21:17] <cmanns__> I don't want one right now
[21:17] <Munchedness> cmanns - try sudo ufw disable
[21:17]  * cmanns__ needs to get into SSH asap this lubuntu is almost slower then the XP we wiped off the old dell last night :'(
[21:18] <cmanns__> ok port 22 still refuses
[21:18] <cmanns__> Any other ideas?
[21:18] <SchrodingersScat> what's on the port 22?
[21:18] <Munchedness> Go into your router, and try disabling the SPI firewall
[21:19] <Munchedness> Ok well... I'm about done for the day. TJ thanks for helping-- I'm outta here
[21:20] <quatrox> cmanns__ are you able to ssh to localhost on that computer?
[21:20] <TJ-> cmanns__: Is openssh-server installed on the client?
[21:20] <cmanns> nope
[21:20] <cmanns> wait
[21:20] <cmanns> Sorry I thoguht openvpn-server lol
[21:21] <flouric> hey, what is the terminal command to restart x server without logging out of my desktop session?
[21:21] <asanchez1987> Hi. How could I install freeglut man pages?
[21:21] <mahem1> Hey guys, I want to encrypt a folder of already compressed files, this folder is like 3gigs. How would I quickly zip all of these files. currently the tar command is take around 10 mins to do the job.
[21:22] <quatrox> flouric: is that possible at all?
[21:22] <flouric> quatrox yeah Ive done it before
[21:22] <Bashing-om> flouric: sudo service lightdm restart ; IF you are running unity .
[21:23] <quatrox> mahem1: to compress it, you can use bz2 or gzip
[21:23] <flouric> Bashing nah its mint17
[21:23] <quatrox> Bashing-om: then he would need to log in again, no?
[21:24] <Bashing-om> quatrox: No, I expect that mint also uses some DM, But I do not know what Mint uses .. best ask in #mint .
[21:25] <mahem1> quatrox: Ok, bz2 looks to be the fastest one?
[21:25] <EriC^^> flouric: mint uses mdm, but you will be logged out..
[21:25] <akurilin> total perl newbie here: what's the simplest and most braindead to install a perl module?
[21:25] <akurilin> cpan?
[21:25] <flouric> yeah I just did that
[21:26] <flouric> thanks for the help anyway
[21:26] <Ben64> mahem1: if they're already compressed, tar will be fastest
[21:26] <mahem1> Ben64: Hmm, I see. I guess 10 mins is the fastest I am gonna get.
[21:27] <quatrox> mahem1: bz2 compress most, gzip is fast
[21:27] <Ben64> mahem1: well, what options are you using
[21:27] <cmanns__> ah I needed openssh server :)
[21:27] <cmanns__> Any iphone on ubuntu tips?
[21:28] <mahem1> Ben64: Just -cvf
[21:28] <mahem1> quatrox, ok, thanks
[21:28] <Ben64> mahem1: yeah thats about as fast as you're going to get
[21:28] <mahem1> Ben64: k, thanks.
[21:33] <cmanns__> So any tips for DMA or improving hdd performance?
[21:34] <cmanns__> I has ssh access now to edit configs
[21:34] <utopian> cmanns__: pro tip rmdac dma man
[21:34] <cmanns__> rmdac?
[21:34] <utopian> yeh
[21:34] <cmanns__> no idea what that means :)
[21:34] <utopian> me neither
[21:34] <cmanns__> thanks lol
[21:34] <utopian> k
[21:35] <cmanns__> Looks like I need piix
[21:35] <utopian> yeh if youw ant to warp to 1992
[21:35] <cmanns__> 1998
[21:35] <HelpDave> Hello.  I am wanting to install Ubuntu on a toughbook CF-29.  if there a tutorial for this?  Is a lite version of unbuntu available?  thanks for the help
[21:35] <utopian> if yous ay
[21:36] <quantibility> ok, so, i load my encrypted drive and it vanishes from the desktop, i think that it opens another directory that needs to be access and its just not mounted, any help? btw i installed xubuntu on a thumb drive, i wish to get back to my disk soon
[21:37] <utopian> yes
[21:37] <utopian> hi
[21:37] <quatrox> HelpDave: lubuntu is lighter
[21:37] <utopian> I was just engaged to http://imgur.com/EWRz0EF http://imgur.com/lIqid4T :: Me http://i.imgur.com/giWmnEo.jpg :: http://liteirc.net - the future!
[21:37] <utopian> Hello Everyone!
[21:37] <utopian> hah
[21:37] <utopian> owned
[21:37] <utopian> later ubuntu
[21:38] <Luyin> HelpDave: you could try Xubuntu or Lubuntu
[21:38] <utopian> crash crash crash crash crash
[21:38] <MonkeyDust> utopian  stop
[21:38] <utopian> ubuntu is a white nigger
[21:38] <utopian> lol
[21:38] <utopian> later
[21:38] <rww> alrighty then.
[21:39] <quantibility> anyone?
[21:39] <HelpDave> i am having trouble with the CF-29 recognising other ubuntu CDs or DVDs...  if there an issue to be aware of?
[21:47] <thurstylark> Would anyone be able to help me with identifying an element of a theme?
[21:48] <Tex_Nick> HelpDave: if you mean CD's-DVD's burned on another drive ... that's been an issue for many years ... some optical drives just don't play together sometimes
[21:48] <Rhapsody> What's Ubuntu's general compatibility with Intel?
[21:48] <Rhapsody> Like, does OpenGL and such on Linux play well with Intel? I want to try playing games like Team Fortress 2 on Linux.
[21:48] <jhutchins> Rhapsody: Pretty much the same as any distro.
[21:49] <thurstylark> Rhapsody: almost entirely compatible, i believe.
[21:49] <Rhapsody> jhutchins: Thing is, I don't know how well it runs on ANY distro
[21:49] <samthewildone> What's the best way to get a video recording off of my ipod touch ?
[21:49] <thurstylark> well, yeah.. based on other distros
[21:49] <Rhapsody> thurstylark: Thanks
[21:49] <HelpDave> Tex_Nick can i install lubuntu from a jump drive?
[21:49] <jhutchins> Rhapsody: One of the cool things about linux is you can try it and see, all it costs you is time.
[21:49] <Rhapsody> Fair enough.
[21:49] <thurstylark> Rhapsody: if it tells you anything, SteamOS is based on Ubuntu.
[21:50] <thurstylark> So, yeah.
[21:50] <jhutchins> Rhapsody: Since we don't know what hardware you have, or what games you want to play, it's hard for us to speculate how well it'll work.
[21:50] <thurstylark> Take that as you will.
[21:50] <Rhapsody> thurstylark: I know it is, but not all harware plays well with it.
[21:50] <Rhapsody> For example, older ATI cards perform terribly on Linux but fine on Windows
[21:50] <Rhapsody> That was my experience prior before I switched to an Intel laptop
[21:50] <Rhapsody> So I'm going to try it again
[21:50] <Tex_Nick> HelpDave: ubuntu can be installed from any USB drive ... tis called a live drive
[21:50] <Rhapsody> Anyhow, how would I make an Ubuntu boot drive with my SSD, but not erase all of my data? Just make a new partition?
[21:51] <quatrox> samthewildone: you could install FileMaster on your iOS device
[21:52] <thurstylark> !dualboot| Rhapsody
[21:52] <matjaz_> Rhapsody: ubuntu installer asks you if you want to replace Windows OR install Ubuntu beside Windows
[21:52] <Bashing-om> Rhapsody: ATI ... I have to disagree, I run an old ATI card on an old dual core AMD platform .. performs admirably with open source driver.
[21:52] <matjaz_> that's probably your best option
[21:52] <Rhapsody> ubottu: Trick is, this is a seperate SSD.
[21:52] <quatrox> samthewildone: but it is slow
[21:52] <Rhapsody> It has no other OS on it.
[21:52] <Rhapsody> But I do have data on it and I want to keep it, so let's simplify it.
[21:52] <Rhapsody> Can I avoid this by making a new partition right now?
[21:52] <matjaz_> Rhapsody: oh, yea, you should then just do another partition
[21:52] <Rhapsody> On Windows?
[21:52] <thurstylark> Rhapsody: ideally
[21:52] <mczii> where i  can train bowcrafting?
[21:53] <thurstylark> Rhapsody: do your backups!
[21:53] <Rhapsody> thurstylark: It's actually only Steam games
[21:53] <Rhapsody> I just don't want to have to renistall them :P
[21:53] <thurstylark> Ah. Welp
[21:53] <Rhapsody> Of course I will on Linux, but I'm only trying it out to see if it works for now...
[21:53] <smart_developer1> How do you see how many processors/cores your machine is currently using, so that you can see how many are free for an application/program that you want to run?
[21:54] <Rhapsody> Is 100GB an ideal amount for a Linux partition?
[21:54] <cmanns__> smart_developer1
[21:54] <cmanns__> get htop
[21:54] <gerryk> Rhapsody: depends on what you're using it for
[21:54] <mattxtn> 100gb is more than enough Rhapsody.
[21:54] <matjaz_> Rhapsody: ofr trying things out that's too much
[21:55] <quatrox> smart_developer1: top and press 1
[21:55] <Rhapsody> Is 50GB fine then, since I'd have to install Steam and the Team Fortress 2 (which goes up to 15-20~ GB)?
[21:55] <Rhapsody> I suppose 60 is good.
[21:55] <smart_developer1> cmanns__ : What is htop ?\
[21:55] <cmanns__> A neater top utility
[21:55] <smart_developer1> top utility ?
[21:55] <piva00> anyone have any idea why my nginx-extras installation on trusty is missing the "chunkin" module?
[21:56] <user1> hi guys, I added the alias "alias install="sudo aptitude install", but this alias doensn't seem to work
[21:56] <Bashing-om> Rhapsody: Depends on what you are doing with the partitions, I run tiny ! see: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8360789/ .
[21:56] <quatrox> smart_developer1: open a terminal and type: top
[21:56] <quatrox> smart_developer1: then press 1
[21:56] <gerryk> user1: what happens?
[21:56] <Rhapsody> I just wish Logitech would open source their Gaming Software drivers so my headset could get 7.1 on Linux
[21:56] <quatrox> smart_developer1: or install htop
[21:57] <thurstylark> smart_developer1: top is a CLI process viewer. htop is an improved version of it.
[21:57] <user1> gerryk: no command 'install' found
[21:58] <Nothing_Much> Anybody have Unity running on an Odroid-XU3?
[21:58] <quatrox> user1: type the command: alias install
[21:58] <gerryk> user1: I can't see anything wrong with the alias as you have shown it here
[21:58] <gerryk> where are you putting this?
[21:59] <MonkeyDust> user1  did you add it to .bashrc, or did you execute it on tghe command line?
[21:59] <quatrox> user1: or if you are using bash (which is default), you can type: command -v install
[22:01] <thurstylark> Anyone know how to identify a specific element of a theme? I like this theme, but it's got white text on white and it's driving me nuts.
[22:03] <user1> quatrox: I typed the alias install, now it works
[22:03] <piva00> so, what the fuck is happening with my nginx installation? it doesn't matter if I install it from the main trusty repo or from nginx PPA I get a nginx package without the chunkin module compiled...
[22:03] <smart_developer1> Thanks. Then what's top 1 ?
[22:04] <quatrox> user1: note that if you added a new alias in a config file, you need to start a new shell
[22:04] <Rhapsody> Does my partition need to be MBR or GPT to install Ubuntu onto it and then boot from it?
[22:04] <Ben64> either
[22:04] <daftykins> Rhapsody: depends if your system is EFI or legacy :)
[22:04] <user1> quatrox: ok, thank you sir
[22:05] <Rhapsody> I don't think it's EFI, came with Win7
[22:05] <daftykins> Rhapsody: and you need to be sure you're not booting ubuntu in EFI mode
[22:05] <daftykins> !efi | Rhapsody confirm here
[22:06] <cmanns__> do-release
[22:06] <cmanns__> updating to precise I guess
[22:06] <cmanns__> :D
[22:06] <cmanns__> ty lubuntu
[22:07] <smart_developer1> What if I just want to see which processors/cores *aren't* are currently idle ?
[22:08] <RPG-Master_on_ma> So, the power went out, turning my computer off. Now when I boot Ubuntu, I see the boot up screen, but then it gives me a blinking cursor on a black screen, and it doens't seem like it'll let me do anything,
[22:09] <cmanns__> smart_developer1 use htop
[22:09] <thurstylark> Is there something special I have to do to give a windows app running under wine full network interface access? I'm pretty sure it can't see bonjour stuff.
[22:09] <Bashing-om> Rhapsody: typing "bcdedit" in a Windows Administrator Command Prompt window, look at the "path" line in the "Windows Boot Loader" section.
[22:09] <cmanns__> Shouldnt be anything special
[22:09] <quatrox> RPG-Master_on_ma: kernel panic?
[22:10] <Rhapsody> Bashing-om: http://smashinglim.es/i/NJG62N.png
[22:10] <RPG-Master_on_ma> quatrox: When I press the power button it shows the usually shutdown message, so wouldn't a kernal panic prevent that?
[22:10] <quatrox> RPG-Master_on_ma: there are different panic levels
[22:11] <sfdebug> hi, i created a script on /etc/init.d but i want to run it on runlevel 3 or 5, how i do to choose the runlevel to run the script i created?
[22:11] <RPG-Master_on_ma> quatrox: So, if it's a kernal panic, where do I go from here?
[22:11] <Rhapsody> Bashing-om: Anything special?
[22:11] <EriC^^>  /etc/rc3.d/ i think
[22:11] <quatrox> RPG-Master_on_ma: do you see no text at all?
[22:11] <sfdebug> EriC^^: yes, i know this directory, but what i do? just create a link there? i already tried that but didn't work... :(
[22:12] <RPG-Master_on_ma> quatrox: after the ubuntu booting screen, nope, just a cursor on black background
[22:12] <thurstylark> RPG-Master_on_ma: Check this out for some more info: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#runlevels
[22:12] <DexterF> hi
[22:12] <Bashing-om> Rhapsody: Nope, you are running bios .. per "winload.exe" .
[22:12] <thurstylark> RPG-Master_on_ma: whoops that wasn't for you
[22:12] <thurstylark> my bad
[22:12] <quatrox> RPG-Master_on_ma: I think maybe I was too quick when I said kernel panic.  I guess the kernel did not boot at all
[22:12] <RPG-Master_on_ma> thurstylark: was a bit confused :P
[22:12] <thurstylark> sfdebug: Check this out for some more info: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#runlevels
[22:12] <Rhapsody> So do I format to MBR or GPT, then, Bashing-om ?
[22:13] <DexterF> I'm rsyncing an ext4 to a new disk. both are SSDs, and while I expect some overhead and bus bottleneck (2xpcie controller, both disks on same channel) even big files come at around 30MB/s
[22:13] <DexterF> both SSD should read/write around 250MB/s, so I'd expect 100
[22:13] <RPG-Master_on_ma> quatrox: Wouldn't the kernal had to have been loaded to present that little Ubuntu boot screen?
[22:13] <quatrox> RPG-Master_on_ma: when you power on, do you see any text after the BIOS stuff?  If so, what is the last you see?
[22:13] <Beldar> RPG-Master_on_ma, Try try the esc key after hitting the boot from grub for a text boot to see where it stops, and or a nomodeset boot for low graphics boot.
[22:13] <Bashing-om> Rhapsody: IF it were me , I would format to MBR ( linux msdos ) .
[22:14] <quatrox> RPG-Master_on_ma: the boot screen might be grub :)
[22:14] <quatrox> RPG-Master_on_ma: which is responsible for loading the kernel
[22:15] <RPG-Master_on_ma> OK, gonna switch over to the desktop and fiddle with it some more, brb.
[22:15] <Rhapsody> Okay, now that I have the new partition, what should I install Ubuntu to it with?
[22:15] <Rhapsody> Unetbootin?
[22:15] <Ben64> Rhapsody: install ubuntu to what
[22:15] <Rhapsody> the partition
[22:15] <Ben64> what partition
[22:16] <Rhapsody> The partition I just made :l
[22:16] <Ben64> jesus
[22:16] <Ben64> get more specific
[22:16] <Rhapsody> I literally stated this above Ben64
[22:16] <Bashing-om> Rhapsody: Opinions differ, I prefer to have a liveDVD of the OS I install . I would burn to a DVD. and install from that liveDVD.
[22:16] <Rhapsody> Bashing-om just helped me make it
[22:16] <Rhapsody> Bashing-om: No burnable CDs around here.
[22:16] <Rhapsody> Will my method work?
[22:16] <Ben64> is it a hard drive, is it a flash drive, where is it connected
[22:16] <Ben64> give some information
[22:17] <Rhapsody> Ben64: Samsung 840 EVO connected via USB 2.0 and an eSATA cable
[22:17] <Ben64> then you probably don't want to use unetbootin
[22:17] <Rhapsody> plugged in via an external enclosure
[22:17] <Rhapsody> Okay, then what do I want?
[22:17] <RPG-Master_on_ma> ARGH. I hit escape and got a log in prompt, but then before I could do anything, BAM. Blinking, unresponsive cursor on black. :/
[22:17] <Ben64> if you want to install ubuntu, run the installer
[22:18] <daftykins> Rhapsody: are you keeping Windows or replacing it?
[22:18] <thurstylark> Rhapsody: if you have a thumbdrive, point unetbootin at that, boot off of it, and install to your new partition.
[22:18] <Rhapsody> daftykins: Windows is on the internal SSD, I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a partition I created on my external SSD
[22:19] <Rhapsody> I hate to inform you, thurstylark, but I have no USB lying around that I can find.
[22:19] <Rhapsody> I *had* one, but now I can't find it.
[22:19] <daftykins> Rhapsody: ah, that's going to get a bit messy. what about DVDs? can you write one?
[22:19] <quatrox> RPG-Master_on_ma: blinking cursor on a blank black screen?
[22:19] <thurstylark> daftykins: he said that he doesn't
[22:19] <RPG-Master_on_ma> quatrox: yup
[22:19] <Rhapsody> daftykins: No writeable CDs around, we haven't had them for ages.
[22:19] <Rhapsody> Not since like... 2007.
[22:20] <daftykins> Rhapsody: then you can't install.
[22:20] <thurstylark> Rhapsody: psh, and you want to play with linux. ;P
[22:20] <Bobbo> CDs still exist? ;D
[22:20] <Rhapsody> daftykins: Why won't http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows work?
 I hate to inform you, thurstylark, but I have no USB lying around that I can find.
[22:20] <Ben64> because you don't have a usb stick
[22:20] <daftykins> you just told us you don't have any USB flash drives
[22:20] <Bobbo> Wait
[22:20] <Bobbo> I'm confused.
[22:20] <mattxtn> If you had a flash drive (thumb drive) Rhapsody.
[22:21] <Rhapsody> I'm asking if I can use it to install Ubuntu directly to my SSD partition.
[22:21] <Bashing-om> Rhapsody: MANY many ways to install ubuntu : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#Minimal_installations , take your pick.
[22:21] <Rhapsody> And why not, if it lets me select the partition to install it to
[22:21] <user1> exit
[22:21] <Bobbo> Whoever needs a live usb: You /can/ use an SD card instead,
[22:21] <Ben64> which had already been answered, you need to run the ubuntu installer to install ubuntu
[22:21] <Tex_Nick> Rhapsody: also something to consider ... if you're doing a clean install ... create a separate partition for home
[22:21] <thurstylark> Ben64: He gets that, he needs a WAY to run the installer
[22:21] <Ben64> i really don't think he gets that
[22:22] <thurstylark> Ben64: Read your scrollback.
[22:22] <Ben64> already did, you try
[22:22] <samthewildone> well
[22:22] <samthewildone> I've been farting all day.
[22:22] <samthewildone> opps .. off topic
[22:23] <Rhapsody> I've been asking this but none of you have answered it. Let me explain my situation.
[22:23] <thurstylark> Rhapsody: you could possibly create a small live-install partition on your target ssd. So it would be existing data, target partition, and install partition. Play the part of a thumb drive...
[22:24] <cmanns__> Get a ISO
[22:24] <cmanns__> boot ISO
[22:24] <Bobbo> Rhapsody: So yeah, if you've got an SD card, that might work. I /believe/ you can setup the live USB on a HDD partition and then install from there.
[22:24] <cmanns__> Install to SSD
[22:24] <Rhapsody> thurstylark: That'll work.
[22:24] <Rhapsody> Approximate size I'd need?
[22:24] <cmanns__> 4-8gb
[22:24] <Rhapsody> Fair enough
[22:24] <thurstylark> Rhapsody: yeah, 4-8GB will work. How much space do you have availible to play with on your target drive?
[22:25] <Rhapsody> thurstylark: 60
[22:25] <Rhapsody> GB
[22:25] <cmanns__> Man this ide drive is still slow
[22:25] <cmanns__> I think I got DMA enabled
[22:26] <Rhapsody> So I can just use the instructions from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows and use it on the new 8GB partition I just made?
[22:26] <thurstylark> Rhapsody: Yeah, that will probably work for you. I'm not sure if you can reclaim the installer space, but even so, you can just delete a game and install another one
[22:26] <thurstylark> Rhapsody: Yup. That's about the sum of it
[22:26] <cmanns__> you might need to use the entire flash drive
[22:26] <Rhapsody> thurstylark: It would be as easy as formatting and merging that partition after I'm done with it, wouldn't it?
[22:26] <cmanns__> due to bootloader
[22:27] <Rhapsody> cmanns__: We'll see what happens, I suppose.
[22:27] <thurstylark> Rhapsody: depends on the partition type
[22:27] <thurstylark> Rhapsody: Yeah, factor in the bootloader, but it's pretty small.
[22:28] <thurstylark> bootloader doesn't make it's own partition, does it?
[22:28] <cmanns__>  Why does man db take so long
[22:28] <para000> hi guys ... i got a php script on a linux server and my php code needs to crate a file but it can`t do i need to give it some permision or what?
[22:28] <expunge> cmanns__: hrmm?
[22:28] <expunge> para000: suexec?
[22:28] <cmanns__> I assume its just slow due to slow IDE drive
[22:28] <expunge> para000: #httpd / #php
[22:28] <cmanns__> your php/httpd needs permissions to the directory
[22:29]  * cmanns__ is web hosting provider
[22:29] <para000> cmanns__: do you know how do i do that ? i`m very new at this
[22:29] <cmanns__> Give output of ps aux and ls -la of the directory in a pastebin
[22:29] <cmanns__> !pastebin
[22:31] <arsalan> hey'll, I want take backup of my Ubuntu 14.04 and I don't have any external hard. I prefer backup on cloud or somewhere that could restore with terminal
[22:31] <cmanns__> How much data?
[22:31] <cmanns__> rsync your home dir somewhere pretty much
[22:31] <arsalan> not too much, 2 gig
[22:31] <expunge> arsalan: s/cloud/online/
[22:32] <expunge> google drive starts at 15GB or something
[22:32] <expunge> dropbox does 2
[22:32] <arsalan> let me test
[22:32] <cmanns__> If you need place to rsync to I can give you location
[22:32] <cmanns__> Phoenix, Arizona
[22:32] <expunge> you don't need to backup your OS files, though, Ubuntu OS files are mirrored all over
[22:32] <cmanns__> Yeah just backup /home/*/
[22:33] <thurstylark> I was thinking small vps or amazon aws.
[22:33] <cmanns__> I can just setup a shell account in minutes
[22:33] <expunge> thurstylark: hrmm?
[22:34] <thurstylark> All you really need is something that can run an rsync daemon.
[22:34] <thurstylark> and enough space.
[22:34] <cmanns__> yep
[22:34] <arsalan> hummm!! good advice!
[22:34] <expunge> all you really need is ssh access, and an rsync client
[22:34] <expunge> or you could use tar =P
[22:34] <thurstylark> yup
[22:34] <cmanns__> Our basic web hositng package would give enough room for 4 2gb backups and enough left over for a website
[22:34] <quatrox> or use git annex
[22:34] <expunge> tar with -z for gzip is fast decent compression
[22:35] <thurstylark> later
[22:35] <cmanns__> Our lowest package would accept 1- 2gb backup
[22:40] <expunge> cmanns__: or... he could get 15GB for free
[22:41] <cmanns__> yep
[22:41] <expunge> =)
[22:41] <cmanns__> However I was initially offering free was just pointing out some neat facts I discovered
[22:41] <expunge> where's your outfit, though?
[22:41] <cmanns__> My outfit?
[22:42] <expunge> cmanns__: your hosting website
[22:44] <cmanns__> expunge whois me :)
[22:44] <expunge> good domain
[22:44] <veryhappy> hey guys, how do i install kept back packages with apt-get?
[22:44] <cmanns__> thanks
[22:44] <cmanns__> We been around since 2008~
[22:44] <cmanns__> kept back packages veryhappy  ?
[22:45] <EriC^^> veryhappy: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:45] <k1l_> veryhappy: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[22:45] <veryhappy> i actually did that but it gave me nothing
[22:46] <k1l_> please show the output in a pastebin
[22:46] <veryhappy> ok
[22:47] <veryhappy> k1l_: can i combine 2 commands in one pastebin?
[22:48] <k1l_> just copy and paste with the mouse?
[22:48] <veryhappy> i thought with pastebinit
[22:48] <k1l_> !paste | veryhappy
[22:48] <veryhappy> k1l_: that's what i meant pastebinit
[22:49] <veryhappy> well but you don't seem to understand that i wanted to combine 2 apt-get update and dist-upgrade in one pastebin
[22:49] <veryhappy> whatever
[22:49] <EriC^^> veryhappy: use (command1 && command2) | pastebinit
[22:49] <cmanns__> thats fine
[22:49] <veryhappy> good
[22:49] <veryhappy> thanks
[22:49] <cmanns__> pastebinit is neat
[22:49] <cmanns__> man how many packages does a lubuntu dist upgrade do?
[22:49] <veryhappy> that's the way i had it
[22:50] <cmanns__> been at an hour almost
[22:50] <k1l_> pastebinit is just a tool. pastebin is a synonym for any paste service. so choose the way you like
[22:50] <veryhappy> k1l_: i just found it strange that you didn't get me first :D
[22:51] <cmanns__> Anything liek zRAM you guys suggest?
[22:51] <cmanns__> I got swappiness at 1, no swap being used. This IDE P4 Dell dimension 2400 is working better and better on lubuntu vs Win XP :D
[22:52] <veryhappy> so here it should be: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8361063/
[22:53] <cmanns__> Then theres nothing to update?
[22:53] <veryhappy> cmanns__: nothing
[22:53] <k1l_> veryhappy: that is not all output. and its not any held back packages.
[22:53] <cmanns__> So yeah lubuntu upgrade has been going for about 55 minutes
[22:53] <veryhappy> i thought you guys want this output of my update
[22:53] <veryhappy> hold on
 veryhappy: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[22:54] <veryhappy> k1l_: i'm giving you now first the held back packages ok?
[22:54] <tinkerbot> veryhappy: apt-get dist-upgrade ... if it doesn't complain about packages being held back, none were.
[22:55] <veryhappy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8361081/
[22:55] <k1l_> veryhappy: ok, if you dont want to show the output (for whatever reason) i cant help you.
[22:55] <veryhappy> ok so you guys, NOW that's what i mean
[22:55] <veryhappy> k1l_: i was misunderstanding you, how often shall i still write you that?!
[22:56] <veryhappy> k1l_: don't complain about something that doesn't mean anything!
[22:56] <veryhappy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8361081/
[22:56] <k1l_> veryhappy: ok, i am out of this support ticket. i hope you will fix that issue.
[22:57] <veryhappy> k1l_: i am sorry for you!
[22:57] <para000> so i found out that i need to give apachi writing permision
[22:57] <para000> anyone knows how to do that?
[22:57] <tinkerbot> veryhappy: aptitude remove libboost-python1.46-dev && sudo aptitude remove libboost1.46-dev
[22:58] <tinkerbot> veryhappy: then dist upgrade.
[22:58] <veryhappy> tinkerbot: how did you figure that packages out? ;)
[22:58] <cmanns__> you have conflicting packages
[22:58] <cmanns__> remove and reinstall is what tinkerbot  is saying
[22:59] <veryhappy> cmanns__: i'm right now doing it, i saw that i have conflicting packages, but that didn't make me remove them but install them.
[22:59] <cmanns__> you need to remove them to re-install them properly with dist upgrade
[23:00] <cmanns__> Good luck
[23:00] <veryhappy> cmanns__: so dist-upgrade will install them automatically then?
[23:00] <cmanns__> My guess is it would...
[23:01] <tinkerbot> veryhappy: we're removing the conflicting packages. it should re-install after dist-upgrade, and if not you can manually install them
[23:01] <veryhappy> Package 'libboost-python1.46-dev' is not installed, so not removed
[23:01] <veryhappy> Package 'libboost1.46-dev' is not installed, so not removed
[23:01] <tinkerbot> veryhappy: look for your lobboost version- you probably don't have 1.46
[23:01] <tinkerbot> libboost*
[23:01] <veryhappy> so like apt-cache search?
[23:01] <tinkerbot> sure
[23:02] <tinkerbot> or the version your output is complaining about
[23:02] <veryhappy> i should install libboost1.55 i guess
[23:02] <tinkerbot> it looks like you have 1.54 installed
[23:02] <veryhappy> nope, libboost1.55 is the latest version
[23:02] <veryhappy> strange somehow
[23:03] <tinkerbot> "Conflicts: libboost-atomic1.54-dev but 1.54.0-4ubuntu3.1 is to be installed" -- your output
[23:03] <tinkerbot> one line in a forest of many complaints
[23:03] <veryhappy> yea strange that's why i wrote it
[23:03] <veryhappy> i wanted to compile a program...
[23:03] <veryhappy> and now i have it, don't know how to do that actually it's my first time compiling a big plugin
[23:04] <cmanns__> sudo aptitude remove libboost-atomic1.54-dev libboost-chrono1.54-dev libboost-context1.54-dev libboost-coroutine1.54-dev libboost-date-time1.54-dev  libboost-exception1.54-dev libboost-filesystem1.54-dev libboost-graph-parallel1.54-dev   libboost-graph1.54-dev   libboost-iostreams1.54-dev  libboost-locale1.54-dev libboost-log1.54-dev libboost-math1.54-dev libboost-mpi-python1.54-dev  libboost-mpi-python1.54.0  libboost-mpi1.54-dev libboost-program-optio
[23:04] <cmanns__> ns1.54-dev libboost-python1.54-dev libboost-random1.54-dev libboost-regex1.54-dev   libboost-serialization1.54-dev libboost-signals1.54-dev libboost-system1.54-dev   libboost-test1.54-dev libboost-thread1.54-dev libboost-timer1.54-dev libboost-wave1.54-dev  libboost1.54-dbg  libboost1.54-dev libboost1.54-doc libboost1.54-tools-dev
[23:04] <cmanns__> ooops that ended up pretty large sorry guys
[23:04] <veryhappy> :D
[23:04] <tinkerbot> I'll be back in ~15 minutes if you still need assistance.
[23:04] <cmanns__> Not sure if all of that was needed, tinkerbot thoughts?
[23:04] <veryhappy> tinkerbot: thank you
[23:04] <cmanns__> try that veryhappy
[23:04] <tinkerbot> cmanns__: looks promising- 1.54 was the version in question
[23:05] <tinkerbot> brb~
[23:05] <veryhappy> i'm about to do
[23:05] <cmanns__> I put all his conflicting packages into that remove line
[23:05] <veryhappy> libboost-program-optio can't be found?
[23:06] <cmanns__> you need to clean up your copy and paste...
[23:06] <veryhappy> ok
[23:07] <cmanns__> The 2nd part is where you have the rest of options :P
[23:07] <EriC^^> you two should have a disclaimer: kids don't try this at home!
[23:08] <cmanns__> Now an hour and 20 still updating lubuntu xD
[23:10] <veryhappy> cmanns__: it's strange, i think i better try to fix that alone... can you give me some hints for the future? i didn't get any error yet but perhaps i don't need to install that package... so what do i do when i have held back packages? apt-get update -y && apt-get dist-upgrade -y? should this be enough?
[23:11] <cmanns__> Did you remove those packages and test what tinkerbot  said
[23:11] <veryhappy> yep
[23:11] <cmanns__> if that worked then yes what you said seems to be your solution :)
[23:11] <cmanns__> you may sometimes need to remove conflicting packages
[23:11] <cmanns__> because aptitude/apt-get doesnt know what to do with them
[23:11] <veryhappy> 0 packages updated/installed/removed...
[23:12] <cmanns__> Now if you install those packages it should install the right versions I guess
[23:12] <veryhappy> something i figured in the last few days, computer are stupid, more than even babies, they just execute whatever you tell them to do... if you'd tell them kill yourself, they'd do with instructions :D
[23:13] <cmanns__> sudo shutdown -r now kill yourself puter
[23:13] <veryhappy> :D
[23:13] <cmanns__> results may vary
[23:14] <veryhappy> yea, i really don't know why i didn't figure it yet but actually as a programmer actually i should be able to compile programs and be able to know how to install packages even on a very minimal system without a package manager, that's what i want to learn, makes me think if that isn't something for linux on scratch...
[23:15] <cmanns__> veryhappy if you want to be compiling
[23:15] <pg> I'm wondering if someone can tell me if this is possible and point a direction to look- I want the computer running xbmc under user a to send the desktop of user b over vnc to a second computer
[23:17] <Pici> pg: you want to view xbmc remotely from another machine? Or did I misunderstand that?
[23:17] <expunge> 's'what I read
[23:18] <pg> no - I want xbmc displaying on the computer's monitor, but I want the desktop of a different user on my laptop
[23:18] <k1l_> no, logging into the desktop remotly from another user, while the monitor shows xbmc with user a running
[23:18] <EriC^^> veryhappy: did you ever play with the apt_preferences?
[23:18] <pg> exactly k1l_
[23:19] <iFire> What samba speeds should i get?
[23:19] <iFire> I get 25megabytes/s
[23:20] <maujhsn> Anybody familiar with qc-usb drivers, for Logitech's QuickCam?
[23:20] <gardar> iFire: that depends on many factors
[23:21] <iFire> I know, but I want to know if it's slow or not, because I get 90megabytes of disk read or something
[23:21] <gardar> samba is actually not that fast
[23:21] <gardar> you get much better speeds with nfs
[23:22] <iFire> this is a network drive over a gigabit network
[23:22] <veryhappy> eric no i didn't yet
[23:22] <superkuh> Hi. On my Ubuntu 14.04 install I have persistent crashes of both Thunar and Caja (file managers). Both of them crash with the same error in glib2 in the backtrace, something related to magazine_chain_pop_head within glib2.0's gslice.c. https://launchpadlibrarian.net/185021455/caja-glib-backtrace.txt
[23:22] <MiamiM39> join  #newyork
[23:22] <superkuh> These segfaults occur almost every 15 minutes.
[23:22] <MiamiM39> help
[23:22] <MiamiM39> #list
[23:22] <iFire> superkuh: you've checked memory right?
[23:22] <gardar> iFire: and does the client handle those speeds?
[23:23] <iFire> gardar: it's the windows client... I think so
[23:23] <iFire> I don't understand the question.
[23:23] <superkuh> I have checked my RAM, yes. It's fine. No other applications have issues.
[23:23] <superkuh> I ran memtest more than once during the weeks I've been debugging this.
[23:23] <gardar> iFire: http://www.eggplant.pro/blog/faster-samba-smb-cifs-share-performance/
[23:23] <superkuh> Valgrind doesn't see anything abnormal either during it's normal checks while I've been using it with gdb.
[23:24] <superkuh> I am finding *many* other reports in mid to late 2014 with my same error.
[23:24] <superkuh> No solutions though.
[23:25] <RPG-Master_on_ma> I found someone's post on the forums that best describes my current situation, except his was a fresh install, and mine was a perfectly working desktop until this power outage. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2228080
[23:25] <iFire> gardar: I plan to use the aio options
[23:26] <RPG-Master_on_ma> That's exactly how my computer is acting upon turning on.
[23:26] <expunge> then just stop dressing so sexily
[23:26] <RPG-Master_on_ma> His solution was just reinstalling, but I'm not planning on doing that.
[23:26] <iFire> RPG-Master_on_ma: oh if it's theupgrade turns into a single color screen
[23:26] <iFire> it's done that for the last 4 upgrades for me
[23:27] <iFire> When you upgrade it'll log in with the screen turns purple <- background wallpaper
[23:27] <expunge> RPG-Master_on_ma: good man
[23:27] <RPG-Master_on_ma> I'm so confused. Who is talking to who? :P
[23:28] <RPG-Master_on_ma> OH
[23:28] <RPG-Master_on_ma> expunge: I just got your joke.
[23:28] <iFire> expunge: is it black or a grey screen with a cursor?
[23:29] <iFire> can you move the cursor?
[23:29] <RPG-Master_on_ma> iFire: Talking to me?
[23:29] <iFire> yeah
[23:30] <RPG-Master_on_ma> OK, thought so. No, I can't move the cursor.
[23:30] <iFire> try getting into  recovery mode and running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[23:30] <iFire> not sure what I'm doing, but let's see if this works
[23:30] <RPG-Master_on_ma> iFire: OK, brb.
[23:30] <cmanns__> Actually lubuntu update is at 2 hours lolol
[23:31] <superkuh> The ubuntu forums javascript is pretty annoying. I can't type the numbers 1 or 2 into the text box without it grabbing it and switching back or forward tabs.
[23:32] <ikonia> I don't have that problems on the forum
[23:32] <superkuh> I literally have to turn off js to type my post. But then enter (newline) stops working. Apparently newline only works with js?
[23:32] <ikonia> I don't have that problems on the forum
[23:32] <superkuh> Firefox?
[23:32] <ikonia> yes
[23:32] <superkuh> 20?
[23:32] <oringo> use chrome
[23:32] <iFire> superkuh: discourse forum?
[23:32] <superkuh> ubuntuforums.org
[23:33] <DrDetroit> I have been having a problme with my ubuntu 12.04 which just appeared today. My mouse has stopped working correcly and it seems anytime i type a keystroke in an open application it acts as a shortcut instead of a keystroke
[23:33] <DrDetroit> i must have turned on something by accident
[23:33] <iFire> http://discourse.ubuntu.com/
[23:33] <iFire> there's two forums now
[23:33] <DrDetroit> but have no clue how to fix it or disable it...is there any one who can point me in the correct direction?
[23:33] <superkuh> Oh. Weird? Thanks.
[23:34] <coxaLT> Hello, i installed ubuntu server
[23:34] <coxaLT> and later vnc server with gnome
[23:34] <expunge> coxaLT: gj
[23:35] <oringo> anyone using ubuntu 14 lTS?
[23:35] <coxaLT> configured user and such, but when i connected to vnc server i see terminal
[23:35] <Bashing-om> superkuh: Join #ubuntuforums, see if the ops there can advise of the problem with the forum.
[23:35] <coxaLT> but i can't type anything in it
[23:35] <coxaLT> http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=19342
[23:35] <superkuh> Bashing-om, will do. Thanks.
[23:35] <coxaLT> how to make it working?
[23:36] <DrDetroit> I have been having a problme with my ubuntu 12.04 which just appeared today. My mouse has stopped working correcly and it seems anytime i type a keystroke in an open application it acts as a shortcut instead of a keystroke. i must have turned on something by accident. but have no clue how to fix it or disable it...is there any one who can point me in the correct direction?
[23:38] <expunge> DrDetroit: smack all your CTRL/ALT/WIN/SUPER/META/SHIFT keys
[23:39] <DrDetroit> expunge: I dont understand, do you mean all of them all at once?
[23:40] <squinty> could be stuck key
[23:40] <expunge> DrDetroit: individually, a few times each
[23:40] <expunge> but that'd be a great easter egg =P
[23:40] <DrDetroit> expunge i see the ctl alt win and shift but dont understand super and meta
[23:41] <expunge> DrDetroit: other names for win/alt/ctrl
[23:41] <robjloranger> yes, lol. what's an example? maybe we can figure out which key.
[23:41] <DrDetroit> expunge ok will give it a try now brb
[23:42] <DrDetroit> expunge...thank you so much..i have looked on the web for hours for an answer
[23:42] <DrDetroit> it worked perfeclty thank you
[23:42] <expunge> heheehh
[23:42] <expunge> DrDetroit: =)
[23:43]  * DrDetroit hugs expunge and shakes his/her hand
[23:43] <expunge> my unisex hand appreciates your appreciation
[23:43] <robjloranger> woohoo
[23:43] <expunge> robjloranger: I concur
[23:44] <cmanns__> Guys
[23:44] <robjloranger> nice save to the community
[23:44] <cmanns__> So
[23:44] <cmanns__> The process that was updating lubuntu seems done
[23:44] <DrDetroit> expunge I was considering installing a new operating system as a fix..this has saved me days of work
[23:44] <cmanns__> load has gone back to normal only top and teamviewer are using cpu
[23:44] <cmanns__> Safe to reboot lubuntu is update done?
[23:44] <expunge> DrDetroit: heheh, cool cool
[23:44] <expunge> cmanns__: seems done?
[23:45] <robjloranger> cmanns__: seems so
[23:45] <cmanns__> I don't have view of lxterminal but I think its all done
[23:45] <RPG-Master_on_ma> ifireball: You iFire?
[23:45] <cmanns__> I shall shutdown -r now bai
[23:45] <cmanns__> :D
[23:45] <Psil0Cybin> cmanns__: command of the century!
[23:46] <cmanns__> :D
[23:46] <Psil0Cybin> you know whats a tad bit better thoughy
[23:46] <Psil0Cybin> shutdown -h now
[23:46] <Psil0Cybin> peeeeace!
[23:46] <cmanns__> but y
[23:46] <cmanns__> you forgot the bai
[23:46] <Psil0Cybin> baaaaaiii
[23:46] <robjloranger> Psil0Cybin: why halt over reboot?
[23:46] <cmanns__> <3
[23:46] <RPG-Master_on_ma> Recap of my problems for anyone new: Powere went out, Ubuntu boots up but before giving a login screen, instead I get a black screen and a blinking cursor. At this point I can't do anything besides press the power button to shutdown.
[23:47] <cmanns__> RPG-Master_on_ma buy APC UPS
[23:47] <Psil0Cybin> robjloranger: because i feel like a b0$$
[23:47] <RPG-Master_on_ma> cmanns__: Poor broke college kid. :(
[23:47] <cmanns__> ;[
[23:47] <coxaLT> can someone help me
[23:47] <cmanns__> Id send you one but shippings a bitch I'm sure
[23:47] <coxaLT> ;)
[23:47] <Psil0Cybin> lol
[23:47] <Psil0Cybin> maybe we can pick it up
[23:48] <cmanns__> for pickup in Santa Cruz, CA
[23:48] <RPG-Master_on_ma> So anyone else got an idea of what my problem could be?
[23:48] <cmanns__> Prob corruption on the drivei s my guess
[23:48] <cmanns__> boot into single user mode
[23:48] <cmanns__> fsck
[23:48] <Psil0Cybin> cmanns__: pshhh id come but im from Canada.
[23:48] <cmanns__> The land of the eh
[23:48] <Psil0Cybin> yes!
[23:48] <cmanns__> I'd give it to you for 1) authentic canadian maple syrup
[23:48] <robjloranger> Psil0Cybin: me to eh!
[23:48] <oringo> am from Kenya
[23:48] <cmanns__> just drizzle it all over me and paint me like one of your girls
[23:48] <Psil0Cybin> mmmmmmm authentic canadian maple syrup xD
[23:48] <Psil0Cybin> cmanns__: im down
[23:49] <robjloranger> it's expensive, $25 a litre
[23:49] <cmanns__> dang
[23:49] <coxaLT> Just installed gnome and vnc server, connected and i can see terminal. But it's black and cannot type anything in it. Where is the problem?
[23:49] <expunge> coxaLT: what _can_ you do?
[23:49] <RPG-Master_on_ma> If I press escape before the Ubuntu screen ends, I can get a terminal log in screen, but before I have time to log in it flips to the blank screen and unresponsive cursor.
[23:49] <expunge> maple butter, nom
[23:49] <cmanns__> ubuntu 14.04 has faced an error
[23:50] <robjloranger> cmanns__: it goes up for the good stuff
[23:50] <cmanns__> slashusr/lib/notofication-daemon/notification-daemon
[23:50] <cmanns__> Any ideas guys?
[23:50] <robjloranger> cmanns__: i've seen $38
[23:50] <cmanns__> This is fresh Lubuntu upgrade
[23:52] <Bashing-om> RPG-Master_on_ma: IF it were me: From liveCD so everything is unmounted,swap off if necessary, (GParted) - change example shown with partition sdb1 to your partition(s) -; sudo e2fsck -C0 -p -f -v /dev/sdb1 ; IF errors -> sudo e2fsck -f -y -v /dev/sdb1 .
[23:53] <robjloranger> I agree with using a live cd/usb
[23:53] <robjloranger> or a rescue disc of some sort
[23:55] <DrDetroit> expunge again thanks...logging out
[23:55] <expunge> adios
[23:55] <cmanns__> Lastly
[23:55] <cmanns__> Anybody have tips for improving performance on a Intel 845GL graphics
[23:56] <cmanns__> Xorg using 30% cpu
[23:57] <RKyle> !help raid
[23:58] <RKyle> Is the raid information up to date and is it the same for Raid 10?
[23:59] <guzzi_jones> i have a vm running on an lvm at /dev/vg0/vm1