[17:43] <SirRiffsAlot> Hey people! For someone who only does audio-production with UbuntuStudio, is there a list of packages/programs that are probably unnecessary that can be removed for better performance et cetera?
[17:44] <holstein> SirRiffsAlot: not really
[17:44] <holstein> SirRiffsAlot: id say, go the other way
[17:44] <holstein> !mini
[17:44] <holstein> just get minimal, and only add what you want/need.. or, start with something like lubuntu and add what you want
[17:45] <holstein> you can install the lowlatency kernel from the repos, and jack... and ardour.. and whatever else.. just the minimal
[17:45] <holstein> otherwise, it really gets into a matter of taste and needs as to what is "crufty"
[17:45] <SirRiffsAlot> holstein: thing is I've had such monumental trouble with that kinda thing in the past... you know how it is
[17:45] <holstein> SirRiffsAlot: sure.. thats why i would start with, what is the goal, here?
[17:46] <holstein> i mean, are you trying to save a few gigabytes of hard drive space?
[17:46] <SirRiffsAlot> holstein: US as it is is beautiful, could be perfect if there was some organised way of going about it, the ticking-function you have at the start of install is a good start
[17:46] <SirRiffsAlot> holstein: well that too, but also lessen the amount of processes running, for optimal performance
[17:46] <holstein> SirRiffsAlot: ticking?
[17:46] <holstein> SirRiffsAlot: ubuntustudio is quite a nice balance
[17:47] <holstein> SirRiffsAlot: if you want to get "better", you will likely run into the issues you are implying.. its all a trade-off
[17:47] <SirRiffsAlot> holstein: yeah, the "tick"-function at the initial install-stage
[17:47] <SirRiffsAlot> holstein: hmm I see
[17:47] <SirRiffsAlot> holstein: is there no such studio-distribution with minimal as it's basis?
[17:47] <holstein> sure
[17:47] <holstein> theres even one based on puppy.. its all a trade off
[17:48] <holstein> you dont get ppa support there.. and you have older packages..
[17:48] <holstein> AVlinux is a "nice" low-resource machine, but, its an "appliance" install.. so, i dont have that machine online
[17:48] <SirRiffsAlot> holstein: I suppose you guys have given this some thought. In the long run it may be best to leave well-enough alone then?
[17:48] <holstein> i personally dont think networking is needed on my audio production machine, so its not a big deal, but, if you want a "balanced" machine, ubuntustuduio is a nice balance
[17:49] <SirRiffsAlot> holstein: networking can easily be removed, no? :O
[17:49] <holstein> its a desktop focused machine that is setup to run well for multimedia production machines
[17:49] <holstein> SirRiffsAlot: thats not the point
[17:49] <holstein> the point is, AVlinux *is* lighter.. but, its not an install that is meant to be used as a "desktop" focused setup
[17:49] <SirRiffsAlot> I see
[17:49] <holstein> you dont take updates.. patches.. security fixes
[17:49] <holstein> its *all* a compromise
[17:50] <SirRiffsAlot> holstein: is there any such list still? Just to cut down on some of these things I see around that are totally useless to an audio-production guy?
[17:50] <holstein> if you want *exactly* what you want, you can have it, but you'd need to just start buidling up from minimal, and deal with breakage.. or, stripping away from whatever you want to start with, and deal with the breakage
[17:50] <SirRiffsAlot> Ok
[17:50] <holstein> SirRiffsAlot: not sure what you want.. you can use *any* package manager to look at what you have
[17:51] <holstein> SirRiffsAlot: i like synaptic
[17:51] <holstein> !Info synaptic
[17:51] <holstein> !info synaptic
[17:51] <SirRiffsAlot> Synaptic is awesome, but the problem is the dependencies really screw me over at times and sometimes even break my system
[17:51] <holstein> SirRiffsAlot: sure
[17:51] <SirRiffsAlot> So I'd like to remove those that stand on their own
[17:51] <holstein> SirRiffsAlot: *thats* the "risk" and "breakage" i refer to you dealing with
[17:51] <SirRiffsAlot> Aha
[17:52] <holstein> SirRiffsAlot: we dont maintain a "so, you've decided to break ubuntustudio like this" list
[17:52] <SirRiffsAlot> Too bad for me hehe ^^
[17:52] <holstein> SirRiffsAlot: you pull things out, things are affected..
[17:52] <SirRiffsAlot> Well, then. I'll keep kicking it in the nuts I suppose :) Long time no see by the way holstein!
[17:52] <holstein> those effects can be good for some things and bad for others
[17:53] <holstein> id say, load up a VM, and install minimal, and try building up.. or install full ubuntustudio and start tearing down.. then, you can image that after you get is setup the way you like.. and you can save "snapshots" along the way
[17:54] <holstein> i think personally, you'll find that you can spend a lot of time here, and really end up with the biggest benefit being clearing up a couple gigabytes of hard drive space
[17:55] <holstein> SirRiffsAlot: good luck.. i also like loading up distros like AVlinux and KXstudio to see what they are doing
[17:56] <holstein> kxstudio is *not* the typical light or lean desktop, but, is quite capable and utilizes resources well
[17:56] <SirRiffsAlot> Thanks *thumbs up* How hasslesome is it to get a lowlatency kernel on a 64-bit machine with minimal these days?
[17:57] <holstein> SirRiffsAlot: you can sudo apte-get install it from the default repos
[17:57] <holstein> or, the package manager of your choice..
[17:59] <holstein> that minimal iso, kubuntu, ubuntu, ubuntustudio, lubuntu, *all* of the official flavors.. they are *all* ubuntu
[17:59] <holstein> all the same repos.. because they are official flavors, they have none of their own sources
[17:59] <holstein> all of the ubuntustuduio packages are in the repos.. if you want lowlatency kernel in kubuntu, or lubuntu, you just install if from the default sources
[18:10] <SirRiffsAlot> holstein: well, for instance. What the hell is that ubuntu software center... I don't want it. But when you remove it, the whole desktop goes away too
[18:10] <SirRiffsAlot> Package name that is
[18:11] <holstein> SirRiffsAlot: so?
[18:11] <SirRiffsAlot> Well, I kinda need a desktop to work with...?
[18:11] <holstein> SirRiffsAlot: you dont have to use it.. it likely depends on the desktop you are using
[18:11] <holstein> SirRiffsAlot: if you want to build from scratch with out it, you can
[18:11] <holstein> otherwise, whats the gain of pulling it? 80kb? 80mb?
[18:12] <holstein> the *ubuntu* software center, though, i personally dont use/like it, isnt going anywhere in *ubuntu* anytime soon
[18:12] <holstein> i just use apt-get, or synaptic..
[18:12] <SirRiffsAlot> Yeah, ubuntu software center is what I meant
[18:12] <SirRiffsAlot> Exactl
[18:12] <SirRiffsAlot> y
[18:13] <holstein> you can always easily install xfce, or lxde.. *not* lubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-desktop, or ubuntustudio-desktop and *not* have the same depends
[18:36] <SirRiffsAlot> holstein: I'll go with e17 I think
[18:36] <SirRiffsAlot> Worked well in the past. Any objections to that?
[18:53] <SirRiffsAlot> holstein: hello? :)
[19:21] <SirRiffsAlot> Well night, thanks for the help :)