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Darkwing_Has anyone looked into designing or starting a material design type thing for KDE? Like a suggested visual standard?02:11
valorieDarkwing_: like the VDG?04:11
valorieand/or HIG standard04:12
lordievaderGood morning.07:05
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soeehi lordievader07:54
lordievaderHey soee, how are you?07:55
soeelordievader: im fine thanks, you ?08:34
lordievaderDoing good here ;)08:34
sgclarkapachelogger: did ECM get fixed?09:33
apacheloggernope09:33
sgclarkboo ok09:33
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kubuntu-ciYippee, build fixed!09:38
kubuntu-ciProject utopic_unstable_kwin build #24: FIXED in 19 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/utopic_unstable_kwin/24/09:38
soee;)09:49
kubuntu-ciProject utopic_unstable_kfilemetadata build #6: STILL FAILING in 5 min 22 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/utopic_unstable_kfilemetadata/6/09:52
yofelbot invasion /o\10:06
apacheloggerblrgh10:07
apacheloggerkfilemetadata has a -bin package which only contains the plugins10:07
apacheloggeryofel: fwiw, we might want to create #kubuntu-ci or something as ci fails can get rather spammy 10:08
kubuntu-ciProject utopic_unstable_breeze build #23: STILL FAILING in 1 min 12 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/utopic_unstable_breeze/23/10:10
kubuntu-ciProject utopic_unstable_kio-extras build #24: STILL FAILING in 7 min 5 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/utopic_unstable_kio-extras/24/10:16
kubuntu-ciYippee, build fixed!10:18
kubuntu-ciProject utopic_unstable_khelpcenter build #20: FIXED in 9 min 17 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/utopic_unstable_khelpcenter/20/10:18
kubuntu-ciYippee, build fixed!10:18
kubuntu-ciProject utopic_unstable_kinfocenter build #22: FIXED in 9 min 19 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/utopic_unstable_kinfocenter/22/10:18
kubuntu-ciProject utopic_unstable_breeze build #24: STILL FAILING in 24 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/utopic_unstable_breeze/24/10:18
yofel#kubuntu-ci sounds reasonable...10:18
apacheloggerkubuntu-ci: go to a different channel you drunk thing10:18
kubuntu-ciapachelogger you may not issue bot commands in this chat!10:18
apacheloggerscru u!10:18
apacheloggertsimpson, jussi01: how does one get #kubuntu-ci properly registered with irc overlord team10:19
apacheloggersgclark: http://commits.kde.org/extra-cmake-modules/12d477256d805a5a09b237e15033a5f591d5f0d010:27
sgclarkapachelogger: ok, I just make a new tar and rebuild all the affected right?10:30
yofelwas there a respin? If not just cherry pick the commit as a patch10:31
apacheloggermitya57: Mirv: I have bigish problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/8364203/ || https://launchpadlibrarian.net/185100112/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-i386.milou_4%3A5.0.0%2Bgit20140917.1026.0_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz10:32
Mirvapachelogger: mitya57: I think that's the same case as when qtxmlpatterns 5.3.1 was merged. it's just that on the Ubuntu side we don't use qtscript so it hasn't been noticed.10:44
Mirvapachelogger: Qt does various runtime version checks, so in case of some modules, if a newer upstream version is used, the version reported needs to be faked to be 5.3.010:45
Mirvqtscript got automerged from Debian a long time ago already, but it was the only module that migrated to release pocket at the time10:45
apachelogger:S10:45
Mirvin a related note, I'm now slowly starting with 5.3.2, but I guess it should be beginning of t-series at this point for the transition.10:47
Mirvuntil then, continuing to cherry-pick more patches to 5.3.010:47
MirvI've mentally made a note, btw, that frameworkintegration + plasma-framework will also be part of the transition (need rebuild to bump the abi dependency)10:50
kdeuser56shadeslayer: there have been dependency problems in neon5 ppa for days (affected packages: sddm, kdnssd, kio-extras IIRC)11:19
kdeuser56shadeslayer: oh not actually dependency problems, you can run the installation, but the mentioned packages simply fail, even with "--force-overwrite" dpkg option11:20
apacheloggerMirv: so what's the solution to the version mismatch at hand?11:20
shadeslayerapachelogger: ^^11:21
kdeuser56shadeslayer: only the kactivities package cannot be resolved in the first place 11:21
shadeslayerkdeuser56: I'm not working on Neon 5 anymore11:21
shadeslayerso don't send me bug reports :p11:21
* apachelogger isn't either11:21
apacheloggeralso that's not a bug report11:21
kdeuser56shadeslayer, apachelogger:  :O , is it dead now?11:21
apacheloggerbug reports usually come with a log or something11:21
kdeuser56apachelogger: log would be nor problem, but since non of you work on that anyway it would have been a waste of time11:22
BluesKajHowdy folks11:22
kdeuser56shadeslayer, apachelogger: who works on project neon then?11:23
shadeslayerkdeuser56: no, it's just that I don't work on it11:23
shadeslayerapachelogger?11:23
apacheloggerhm?11:23
kdeuser56apachelogger: see my last question11:23
apacheloggerno one, I do not know11:24
sgclarkarmhf... so test fails which leads to a rather large pile of failed. I don't know where to begin debugging, I do not have access to arm11:24
apacheloggerI do not work work on it anyway11:24
apacheloggersgclark: I can send you a dev board I think11:24
sgclarkthat would be lovely11:24
apachelogger99% of arm problems do not require arm hardware to find and solve though ^^11:24
yofelmost test failures look to me like qemu crashes though11:25
kdeuser56shadeslayer, apachelogger: okay pitty, maybe that should be noted somewhere that there is no maintainance, thanks11:26
apacheloggerdude11:27
apacheloggerI said I am not working on it, I did not say there is no maintenance11:27
kdeuser56apachelogger: okay my mistake, no reason to get annoyed11:28
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sgclarklooks like you are right yofel: qemu is segfault11:28
Mirvs/t-series/v-series/ :)11:29
kubotuMirv: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"11:29
apacheloggerMirv: yeah, I got that ^^11:29
Mirvapachelogger: the downgrade parts of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtxmlpatterns-opensource-src/revision/60 from mitya57 applied to qtscript11:30
Mirvdowngrade.diff + debian/rules11:30
MirvI've no time for it today however11:30
kdeuser56apachelogger: "[13:24:04] <apachelogger> no one, I do not know" suggested that "no one" works on it, or you do not know of anyone working on it ;-), but I wont bother you with that offtopic stuff anymore11:30
apacheloggeryou could just paste a log and maybe I feel inclined to look at it when I am done with work work11:31
apacheloggerMirv: that looks really spooky :P11:32
apacheloggermaybe I'll get to it today, that is to say: unless I find a way to work around it xD11:32
mitya57apachelogger: I can do it if you want11:33
apacheloggerthat would lovely http://paste.ubuntu.com/8364203/11:34
tsimpsonapachelogger: just follow the guidance at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/CreatingChannels there isn't a formal process you have to go through or anything11:37
tsimpson(re -ci)11:37
apacheloggerbrr, so much text11:37
apacheloggertsimpson: thanks :)11:37
kdeuser56apachelogger: which logs do you have in mind?11:51
kdeuser56apachelogger: the .crash files in /var/crash by apport generated during install?11:53
mitya57apachelogger, Mirv: uploaded: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtscript-opensource-src/5.3.1+dfsg-3ubuntu111:55
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apacheloggermitya57: thank you <311:57
apacheloggerkdeuser56: apt output would be a start I guess11:57
mitya57YW!11:58
kdeuser56apachelogger: damn I don't remeber exactly: it simply said it failed to process the mentioned packages at the end of the install and said that dpkg returned 111:59
apacheloggercan't do much about it then12:00
apacheloggerrandom note du jour: if it is a file conflict it is absolutely expected and needs to be resolved by the user12:01
kdeuser56apachelogger: pastebin.com/GqM7Um2y12:01
apacheloggeryeah12:02
apacheloggernote the note12:02
apacheloggeralso you might want to ppa-wipe and install again beacuse I am reasonable certain the affected packages are dead since may12:02
kdeuser56apachelogger: but not the one that it mentions12:03
apacheloggerwhat makse you say that12:04
kdeuser56https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ubuntu/kf5 says built 8 hours ago12:05
apacheloggeryeah12:05
apacheloggerthere's 4 packages mentioned there12:05
apacheloggera conflict always needs 2 things12:06
apacheloggerand since you have 2 conflicts you'd have to have 4 things involved in the conflictery12:06
apacheloggermh12:06
kdeuser56apachelogger: ah kdnssd-framework ... okay 12:07
kdeuser56apachelogger: I'll report back12:07
kdeuser56thx for now12:08
apacheloggersgclark: when the next bunch of buld fixes are necessary, please try to wrap-and-sort when you touch a branch just to make sure everything is actually sorted. every other branch I touch for the CI stuff has wrapsort touch more stuff than it should ^^12:08
apacheloggernot ur fault, just telling you because you'll likely be the one to touch the branches next ;)12:08
sgclarkwill do12:09
apacheloggerthx12:09
sgclarknot sure how to resolve qemu segfault killing arm builds :(12:09
apacheloggersgclark: just ignore them I guess12:09
* apachelogger still hasn't quite grasped by we need arm builds in the ppa12:10
apacheloggersgclark: proper archive builds are native, so chances are the tests would pass there anyway12:10
sgclarkah ha12:11
yofelwasn't it you that enabled arm o.O?12:12
apacheloggernope12:13
yofelwell, it's a nice to have thing - if only qemu wasn't so buggy12:13
apacheloggerwhich makes it the not so nice to have thing :P12:15
apacheloggerqemu-arm always exploded for no apparent reason12:15
apacheloggerwhich is why we started getting arm hardware to begin with12:15
apacheloggeractually12:15
apacheloggershadeslayer: do you have a board at the office one could use for build fixing?12:16
apacheloggereitherway, IMO qemu failing makes the arm building pretty pointless as it's more likely because of qemu rather than anything else12:16
yofelthe tests that fail with wrong results are genuine IMO, but that's like 10%, the rest is qemu12:17
soeehmm thers no ffmepg for utopic ?12:21
soee*ffmpeg12:21
yofelthere is libav12:21
soeewhat is it ?12:21
yofelwe don't ship ffmpeg12:21
soeepackage libav12:22
yofel!info libav utopic12:22
ubottuPackage libav does not exist in utopic12:22
soee:o12:22
yofel!info libav-tools utopic12:22
ubottulibav-tools (source: libav): Multimedia player, encoder and transcoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 6:11~beta1-2 (utopic), package size 409 kB, installed size 2895 kB12:22
yofelit's a fork of ffmpeg essentially12:22
soeeso it accepts teh commands that ffmepg does ?12:23
yofelnot exactly12:23
soeewell seems to work :) avconv -i mini.mp4 -vcodec libvpx -acodec libvorbis -aq 5 -ac 2 -qmax 25 -b 614400  mini.webm12:26
shadeslayerapachelogger: build fixing?12:36
shadeslayerwe have 2 boards12:36
apacheloggershadeslayer: sgclark doesn't have one, so I was wondering whether we could just give her ssh on some thingy12:37
apacheloggerand since I have slow intartubes...12:37
sgclarkahh my internet is crappy as well12:53
sgclarkapachelogger: yofel: or shadeslayer: can one of you review kdevelop https://launchpad.net/~sgclark/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-utopic/+packages and put it somewhere more appropriate.12:58
shadeslayerENOTIME today12:59
apacheloggerUnpacking qml-module-org-kde-platformcomponents:amd64 (5.2.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa5) ...13:05
apacheloggerdpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/qml-module-org-kde-platformcomponents_5.2.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa5_amd64.deb (--unpack):13:05
apachelogger trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/org/kde/plasma/platformcomponents/libplatformcomponentsplugin.so', which is also in package plasma-framework 5.1.0+git20140907.0511~013:05
sgclarkLOL well apachelogger, wrap-and-sort went terribly wrong on kdelibs4support...13:05
apacheloggersgclark: write a mail to kubuntu-devel about that please13:05
sgclarkabout wrap-and-sort?13:06
Mirvmitya57: thanks a lot!13:20
apacheloggersgclark: yes13:26
sgclarkI did. control file was the mess, I just reverted that for now with a note in changelog13:28
sgclarkapachelogger: and fixed the version of break/replace in plasma-framework13:28
sgclarkhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8365074/ this is causing alot of orange. Something to be concerned about?13:38
kfunkproject-neon5-session doesn't pull in project-neon5-kscreen right now? correct? i think it should do that, otherwise users cannot configure their screen(s).13:44
apacheloggersgclark: fix your sort issue14:21
apacheloggerkfunk: it's not an enduser product, and kscreen doesn't have a release scope upstream so really what you are saying is that the plasma team should release kscreen ;)14:22
kfunk+114:23
sgclarkapachelogger: ?14:27
Mamarok_question: in utopic, how can I get the previous plasma back, aka not the 5? I did an upgrade (which failed, I had to manaully isntall plasma-desktop), and now I only have plasma514:43
BluesKajMamarok_, reinstall kubuntu-desktop14:43
Mamarok_oh, and btw, I still have my konsole showing everything in German, despite me having all set to English, si this going to be solved any time soon?14:45
Mamarok_apparently I can't reinstall it: http://paste.kde.org/plevnvre414:46
apacheloggerppa-purge14:47
Mamarok_doesn't that need an argument? What ppa should I pruge?14:49
Mamarok_purge*14:49
kdeuser56apachelogger: thanks for helping despite the fact that my problem was an beginner mistake I should have figured myself ... stupid me14:54
kdeuser56Mamarok: needs the ppa as an argument14:55
kdeuser56Mamarok: regarding what ppa to purge: obviously the ppa that brought you plasma 515:02
kdeuser56Mamarok: one thing I can recommand for the future: use btrfs, create snapshot for large updates etc. than you can rollback cleanly without all the mess15:03
Mamarok_folks, there is a major problem to get the previous kubunutu desktop back: a circular dependency, as plasma-desktop apparently is the 5 package, but to get the previous one back kubuntu-desktop requires the same package name16:29
Mamarok_also half of the kcms are missing, no way to configure my dual screen setup16:29
Mamarok_so I am somewhat stuck in between two plasma versions, and can't use my computer normally16:30
Mamarok_wouldn't it be easier to put the plasma 5 and framework stuff in a separate ppa?16:31
Mamarok_or what is it I did wrong?16:31
Mamarok_because in ints current state plasma5 works, but half of my stuff is missing, no way to work productively, like for example leaving the desktop doesn't work, no option in the menu, and switching shells with Ctrl+Alt +f1 causes plasma5 to display a startup progress bar ad eternam16:33
* Mamarok_ eitgher did something totally wrong (which I doubt, I have updated quite often without such a problem) or there is a serious screw up for utopic16:34
Mamarok_either*16:34
Mamarok_he current panel also is barely usable, switching applications is no more possible, onl with the meyboard shortcuts16:35
Mamarok_keyboard*16:35
yofelMamarok: plasma5 *is* in a seperate PPA, just ppa-purge-ing kubuntu-ppa/next should remove most of it17:24
yofelframeworks is in the archive, but that doesn't conflict with kde417:24
Mamarok_right, so there is only one plasma-desktop file, and that is plasma 5, so impossible to get the kubuntu-desktop back, could somebody please have a look at it? I am getting weary about trxying to have a working desktop, that circular dependency is really maddeding17:37
sgclarkyofel: This is triggering orange on several packages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8365074/ is it something to worry about? I am guessing it is from build tools and these packages don't have mkspecs?17:37
Mamarok_looks very much like totally screwed right now17:37
yofelMamarok_: 17:37
yofel[19:24:40] <yofel> Mamarok: plasma5 *is* in a seperate PPA, just ppa-purge-ing kubuntu-ppa/next should remove most of it17:37
yofel[19:24:50] <yofel> frameworks is in the archive, but that doesn't conflict with kde417:37
yofelcould you pastebing what apt says when you try to downgrade plasma-desktop?17:37
Mamarok_yofel: I have been asking that for some time, but nobody didn't specify what I should remove, thanks, will try that17:38
yofelsgclark: ignore those for now. I don't think anyone came up with a good solution for that yet17:38
sgclarkthank you17:38
Mamarok_I don't have access to the bouncer so I can't read everything that was said earlier, currently only Mamarok_ is readable to me17:38
Mamarok_I lsot all my previous settings17:39
yofelah, sorry17:39
Mamarok_yeah, I need to get my bouncer credentials, this is nother thing that is driving me craz...17:39
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Mamarok_yofel: that helped, thanks a bunch.19:03
yofel:)19:03
Mamarok_Other problem: the systemsettings seem to lack quite some KCMs now, especially the locale settings, what package did I miss?19:04
yofelis that maybe still the qt5 version? The qt5 systemsettings will only show ported KCMs19:04
Mamarok_shouldn't  that have been removed?19:05
yofelit should have been downgraded, but that's the first thing I can think of that would show that symptom19:07
yofelis kubuntu-desktop installed now?19:07
Mamarok_apparently I only have the 5 version, despite not having next enabled anymore19:07
Mamarok_yes, the kubuntu-desktop is installed19:08
yofel:/19:08
Mamarok_but the systemsettings is the wrong version19:08
yofelsudo apt-get install systemsettings=4:4.11.11-0ubuntu619:08
yofelI wonder why it didn't downgrade it :/19:08
Mamarok_yay, that helped, thanks a bunch19:09
yofelsgclark: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8366970/19:16
sgclarkfixed I hope19:27
yofelthanks19:31
Darkwing_valorie: is there more info other than https://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG/Presentation/DesignVisionPrinciples19:33
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soeeeee Plasma 5.0.2  ?20:12
yofelyes?20:12
soee:)20:13
soeei thought it will be released next month ?20:13
sgclarkno this is not, frameworks need to go to archive first20:14
soeethis arent frameworks right ?20:14
sgclarkthis is 4.14.1 I am running now20:14
yofelwe have a frameworks  5.2 and plasma 5.0.2 and kde sc 4.14.1 release which are new20:14
RiddellI have very little bandwidth here20:19
Riddellbut I can probably debsign stuff if it's needed to be uploaded20:19
sgclarkframeworks is ready for archive, needs someone with powers to do so20:20
Riddellsgclark: if I set up a ec2 can you do everything needed so I just have to run debsign?20:21
sgclarkI am working on 4.14.1 meanwhile20:21
sgclarkI don't know what that is Riddell: sorry (needed)20:21
sgclarkmy internet keeps going out as well...20:22
shadeslayerRiddell: sgclark are you sure about frameworks20:25
shadeslayerI thought apachelogger mentioned something about ecm being broken20:25
sgclarkshadeslayer: was fixed this morning20:25
shadeslayeralrighty20:26
* shadeslayer goes back to book reading20:26
sgclark....20:27
shadeslayerwell, its quite a large book20:28
shadeslayerI need to get started today if I hope to finish it in my lifetime20:28
Mamarokwhat book?20:36
Riddellsgclark: ec2-54-89-61-228.compute-1.amazonaws.com if you need it20:39
Riddellrun kubuntu-archive-upload (on your machine or on the ec2)20:40
Riddellit should set the changelog to utopic and build the final package20:40
Riddellthen get me or someone else to debsign it20:40
Riddelloh you'll need a FFe20:40
sgclarkFFe?20:40
Riddellfile and bug for that and get me or ScottK to ack it20:41
Riddellfeature freeze exception20:41
yofel!ffe20:41
ubottuFeature Freeze Exception. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the freeze exception process.20:41
Riddelljust say nothing in the archive uses it so should be no problem20:41
sgclarkok... will do this when I can. I am in the middle of running 4.14.120:42
sgclarkand I am still on euro time heh20:42
Riddelldon't get overloaded indeed20:43
Riddelland of course you have lots of politics to follow over the next 48 hours20:43
sgclarkyeah it has all been on my local news20:43
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yofelhere the scottish news were kinda set aside by some american having the great idea to call that new private space rocket they want to make "V2"20:45
yofelwhich awakes some rather bad german memories20:45
sgclarkyikes20:45
sgclarkmissed that20:45
RiddellI feel ignorant, what is that?20:46
yofelRiddell: the name of the couple that got sent over to your island a bit more than half a century ago20:47
yofel*couple rockets20:47
RiddellI hope that in a couple of days I won't have to point out how it's not an island any more :)20:49
yofelalready got the little england badges printed? :P20:49
shadeslayerRiddell: also fwiw you want to upload pkg-kde-tools first?20:49
yofel*litte britain rather20:49
Riddellshadeslayer: it hasn't been uploaded?20:50
shadeslayeridk20:50
shadeslayerRiddell: it hasn't been20:51
shadeslayerI see 0.15.14 in the archive20:51
shadeslayerI like how live build has a script called chroot_hacks20:53
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