[02:11] <Darkwing_> Has anyone looked into designing or starting a material design type thing for KDE? Like a suggested visual standard?
[04:11] <valorie> Darkwing_: like the VDG?
[04:12] <valorie> and/or HIG standard
[07:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:54] <soee> hi lordievader
[07:55] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you?
[08:34] <soee> lordievader: im fine thanks, you ?
[08:34] <lordievader> Doing good here ;)
[09:33] <sgclark> apachelogger: did ECM get fixed?
[09:33] <apachelogger> nope
[09:33] <sgclark> boo ok
[09:38] <kubuntu-ci> Yippee, build fixed!
[09:38] <kubuntu-ci> Project utopic_unstable_kwin build #24: FIXED in 19 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/utopic_unstable_kwin/24/
[09:49] <soee> ;)
[09:52] <kubuntu-ci> Project utopic_unstable_kfilemetadata build #6: STILL FAILING in 5 min 22 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/utopic_unstable_kfilemetadata/6/
[10:06] <yofel> bot invasion /o\
[10:07] <apachelogger> blrgh
[10:07] <apachelogger> kfilemetadata has a -bin package which only contains the plugins
[10:08] <apachelogger> yofel: fwiw, we might want to create #kubuntu-ci or something as ci fails can get rather spammy 
[10:10] <kubuntu-ci> Project utopic_unstable_breeze build #23: STILL FAILING in 1 min 12 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/utopic_unstable_breeze/23/
[10:16] <kubuntu-ci> Project utopic_unstable_kio-extras build #24: STILL FAILING in 7 min 5 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/utopic_unstable_kio-extras/24/
[10:18] <kubuntu-ci> Yippee, build fixed!
[10:18] <kubuntu-ci> Project utopic_unstable_khelpcenter build #20: FIXED in 9 min 17 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/utopic_unstable_khelpcenter/20/
[10:18] <kubuntu-ci> Yippee, build fixed!
[10:18] <kubuntu-ci> Project utopic_unstable_kinfocenter build #22: FIXED in 9 min 19 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/utopic_unstable_kinfocenter/22/
[10:18] <kubuntu-ci> Project utopic_unstable_breeze build #24: STILL FAILING in 24 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/utopic_unstable_breeze/24/
[10:18] <yofel> #kubuntu-ci sounds reasonable...
[10:18] <apachelogger> kubuntu-ci: go to a different channel you drunk thing
[10:18] <kubuntu-ci> apachelogger you may not issue bot commands in this chat!
[10:18] <apachelogger> scru u!
[10:19] <apachelogger> tsimpson, jussi01: how does one get #kubuntu-ci properly registered with irc overlord team
[10:27] <apachelogger> sgclark: http://commits.kde.org/extra-cmake-modules/12d477256d805a5a09b237e15033a5f591d5f0d0
[10:30] <sgclark> apachelogger: ok, I just make a new tar and rebuild all the affected right?
[10:31] <yofel> was there a respin? If not just cherry pick the commit as a patch
[10:32] <apachelogger> mitya57: Mirv: I have bigish problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/8364203/ || https://launchpadlibrarian.net/185100112/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-i386.milou_4%3A5.0.0%2Bgit20140917.1026.0_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:44] <Mirv> apachelogger: mitya57: I think that's the same case as when qtxmlpatterns 5.3.1 was merged. it's just that on the Ubuntu side we don't use qtscript so it hasn't been noticed.
[10:45] <Mirv> apachelogger: Qt does various runtime version checks, so in case of some modules, if a newer upstream version is used, the version reported needs to be faked to be 5.3.0
[10:45] <Mirv> qtscript got automerged from Debian a long time ago already, but it was the only module that migrated to release pocket at the time
[10:45] <apachelogger> :S
[10:47] <Mirv> in a related note, I'm now slowly starting with 5.3.2, but I guess it should be beginning of t-series at this point for the transition.
[10:47] <Mirv> until then, continuing to cherry-pick more patches to 5.3.0
[10:50] <Mirv> I've mentally made a note, btw, that frameworkintegration + plasma-framework will also be part of the transition (need rebuild to bump the abi dependency)
[11:19] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: there have been dependency problems in neon5 ppa for days (affected packages: sddm, kdnssd, kio-extras IIRC)
[11:20] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: oh not actually dependency problems, you can run the installation, but the mentioned packages simply fail, even with "--force-overwrite" dpkg option
[11:20] <apachelogger> Mirv: so what's the solution to the version mismatch at hand?
[11:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[11:21] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer: only the kactivities package cannot be resolved in the first place 
[11:21] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: I'm not working on Neon 5 anymore
[11:21] <shadeslayer> so don't send me bug reports :p
[11:21]  * apachelogger isn't either
[11:21] <apachelogger> also that's not a bug report
[11:21] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer, apachelogger:  :O , is it dead now?
[11:21] <apachelogger> bug reports usually come with a log or something
[11:22] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: log would be nor problem, but since non of you work on that anyway it would have been a waste of time
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:23] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer, apachelogger: who works on project neon then?
[11:23] <shadeslayer> kdeuser56: no, it's just that I don't work on it
[11:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger?
[11:23] <apachelogger> hm?
[11:23] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: see my last question
[11:24] <apachelogger> no one, I do not know
[11:24] <sgclark> armhf... so test fails which leads to a rather large pile of failed. I don't know where to begin debugging, I do not have access to arm
[11:24] <apachelogger> I do not work work on it anyway
[11:24] <apachelogger> sgclark: I can send you a dev board I think
[11:24] <sgclark> that would be lovely
[11:24] <apachelogger> 99% of arm problems do not require arm hardware to find and solve though ^^
[11:25] <yofel> most test failures look to me like qemu crashes though
[11:26] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer, apachelogger: okay pitty, maybe that should be noted somewhere that there is no maintainance, thanks
[11:27] <apachelogger> dude
[11:27] <apachelogger> I said I am not working on it, I did not say there is no maintenance
[11:28] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: okay my mistake, no reason to get annoyed
[11:28] <sgclark> looks like you are right yofel: qemu is segfault
[11:29] <Mirv> s/t-series/v-series/ :)
[11:29] <kubotu> Mirv: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[11:29] <apachelogger> Mirv: yeah, I got that ^^
[11:30] <Mirv> apachelogger: the downgrade parts of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtxmlpatterns-opensource-src/revision/60 from mitya57 applied to qtscript
[11:30] <Mirv> downgrade.diff + debian/rules
[11:30] <Mirv> I've no time for it today however
[11:30] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: "[13:24:04] <apachelogger> no one, I do not know" suggested that "no one" works on it, or you do not know of anyone working on it ;-), but I wont bother you with that offtopic stuff anymore
[11:31] <apachelogger> you could just paste a log and maybe I feel inclined to look at it when I am done with work work
[11:32] <apachelogger> Mirv: that looks really spooky :P
[11:32] <apachelogger> maybe I'll get to it today, that is to say: unless I find a way to work around it xD
[11:33] <mitya57> apachelogger: I can do it if you want
[11:34] <apachelogger> that would lovely http://paste.ubuntu.com/8364203/
[11:37] <tsimpson> apachelogger: just follow the guidance at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/CreatingChannels there isn't a formal process you have to go through or anything
[11:37] <tsimpson> (re -ci)
[11:37] <apachelogger> brr, so much text
[11:37] <apachelogger> tsimpson: thanks :)
[11:51] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: which logs do you have in mind?
[11:53] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: the .crash files in /var/crash by apport generated during install?
[11:55] <mitya57> apachelogger, Mirv: uploaded: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtscript-opensource-src/5.3.1+dfsg-3ubuntu1
[11:57] <apachelogger> mitya57: thank you <3
[11:57] <apachelogger> kdeuser56: apt output would be a start I guess
[11:58] <mitya57> YW!
[11:59] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: damn I don't remeber exactly: it simply said it failed to process the mentioned packages at the end of the install and said that dpkg returned 1
[12:00] <apachelogger> can't do much about it then
[12:01] <apachelogger> random note du jour: if it is a file conflict it is absolutely expected and needs to be resolved by the user
[12:01] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: pastebin.com/GqM7Um2y
[12:02] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:02] <apachelogger> note the note
[12:02] <apachelogger> also you might want to ppa-wipe and install again beacuse I am reasonable certain the affected packages are dead since may
[12:03] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: but not the one that it mentions
[12:04] <apachelogger> what makse you say that
[12:05] <kdeuser56> https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ubuntu/kf5 says built 8 hours ago
[12:05] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:05] <apachelogger> there's 4 packages mentioned there
[12:06] <apachelogger> a conflict always needs 2 things
[12:06] <apachelogger> and since you have 2 conflicts you'd have to have 4 things involved in the conflictery
[12:06] <apachelogger> mh
[12:07] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: ah kdnssd-framework ... okay 
[12:07] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: I'll report back
[12:08] <kdeuser56> thx for now
[12:08] <apachelogger> sgclark: when the next bunch of buld fixes are necessary, please try to wrap-and-sort when you touch a branch just to make sure everything is actually sorted. every other branch I touch for the CI stuff has wrapsort touch more stuff than it should ^^
[12:08] <apachelogger> not ur fault, just telling you because you'll likely be the one to touch the branches next ;)
[12:09] <sgclark> will do
[12:09] <apachelogger> thx
[12:09] <sgclark> not sure how to resolve qemu segfault killing arm builds :(
[12:09] <apachelogger> sgclark: just ignore them I guess
[12:10]  * apachelogger still hasn't quite grasped by we need arm builds in the ppa
[12:10] <apachelogger> sgclark: proper archive builds are native, so chances are the tests would pass there anyway
[12:11] <sgclark> ah ha
[12:12] <yofel> wasn't it you that enabled arm o.O?
[12:13] <apachelogger> nope
[12:13] <yofel> well, it's a nice to have thing - if only qemu wasn't so buggy
[12:15] <apachelogger> which makes it the not so nice to have thing :P
[12:15] <apachelogger> qemu-arm always exploded for no apparent reason
[12:15] <apachelogger> which is why we started getting arm hardware to begin with
[12:15] <apachelogger> actually
[12:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you have a board at the office one could use for build fixing?
[12:16] <apachelogger> eitherway, IMO qemu failing makes the arm building pretty pointless as it's more likely because of qemu rather than anything else
[12:17] <yofel> the tests that fail with wrong results are genuine IMO, but that's like 10%, the rest is qemu
[12:21] <soee> hmm thers no ffmepg for utopic ?
[12:21] <soee> *ffmpeg
[12:21] <yofel> there is libav
[12:21] <soee> what is it ?
[12:21] <yofel> we don't ship ffmpeg
[12:22] <soee> package libav
[12:22] <yofel> !info libav utopic
[12:22] <soee> :o
[12:22] <yofel> !info libav-tools utopic
[12:22] <yofel> it's a fork of ffmpeg essentially
[12:23] <soee> so it accepts teh commands that ffmepg does ?
[12:23] <yofel> not exactly
[12:26] <soee> well seems to work :) avconv -i mini.mp4 -vcodec libvpx -acodec libvorbis -aq 5 -ac 2 -qmax 25 -b 614400  mini.webm
[12:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: build fixing?
[12:36] <shadeslayer> we have 2 boards
[12:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sgclark doesn't have one, so I was wondering whether we could just give her ssh on some thingy
[12:37] <apachelogger> and since I have slow intartubes...
[12:53] <sgclark> ahh my internet is crappy as well
[12:58] <sgclark> apachelogger: yofel: or shadeslayer: can one of you review kdevelop https://launchpad.net/~sgclark/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-utopic/+packages and put it somewhere more appropriate.
[12:59] <shadeslayer> ENOTIME today
[13:05] <apachelogger> Unpacking qml-module-org-kde-platformcomponents:amd64 (5.2.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa5) ...
[13:05] <apachelogger> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/qml-module-org-kde-platformcomponents_5.2.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa5_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[13:05] <apachelogger>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/org/kde/plasma/platformcomponents/libplatformcomponentsplugin.so', which is also in package plasma-framework 5.1.0+git20140907.0511~0
[13:05] <sgclark> LOL well apachelogger, wrap-and-sort went terribly wrong on kdelibs4support...
[13:05] <apachelogger> sgclark: write a mail to kubuntu-devel about that please
[13:06] <sgclark> about wrap-and-sort?
[13:20] <Mirv> mitya57: thanks a lot!
[13:26] <apachelogger> sgclark: yes
[13:28] <sgclark> I did. control file was the mess, I just reverted that for now with a note in changelog
[13:28] <sgclark> apachelogger: and fixed the version of break/replace in plasma-framework
[13:38] <sgclark> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8365074/ this is causing alot of orange. Something to be concerned about?
[13:44] <kfunk> project-neon5-session doesn't pull in project-neon5-kscreen right now? correct? i think it should do that, otherwise users cannot configure their screen(s).
[14:21] <apachelogger> sgclark: fix your sort issue
[14:22] <apachelogger> kfunk: it's not an enduser product, and kscreen doesn't have a release scope upstream so really what you are saying is that the plasma team should release kscreen ;)
[14:23] <kfunk> +1
[14:27] <sgclark> apachelogger: ?
[14:43] <Mamarok_> question: in utopic, how can I get the previous plasma back, aka not the 5? I did an upgrade (which failed, I had to manaully isntall plasma-desktop), and now I only have plasma5
[14:43] <BluesKaj> Mamarok_, reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[14:45] <Mamarok_> oh, and btw, I still have my konsole showing everything in German, despite me having all set to English, si this going to be solved any time soon?
[14:46] <Mamarok_> apparently I can't reinstall it: http://paste.kde.org/plevnvre4
[14:47] <apachelogger> ppa-purge
[14:49] <Mamarok_> doesn't that need an argument? What ppa should I pruge?
[14:49] <Mamarok_> purge*
[14:54] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: thanks for helping despite the fact that my problem was an beginner mistake I should have figured myself ... stupid me
[14:55] <kdeuser56> Mamarok: needs the ppa as an argument
[15:02] <kdeuser56> Mamarok: regarding what ppa to purge: obviously the ppa that brought you plasma 5
[15:03] <kdeuser56> Mamarok: one thing I can recommand for the future: use btrfs, create snapshot for large updates etc. than you can rollback cleanly without all the mess
[16:29] <Mamarok_> folks, there is a major problem to get the previous kubunutu desktop back: a circular dependency, as plasma-desktop apparently is the 5 package, but to get the previous one back kubuntu-desktop requires the same package name
[16:29] <Mamarok_> also half of the kcms are missing, no way to configure my dual screen setup
[16:30] <Mamarok_> so I am somewhat stuck in between two plasma versions, and can't use my computer normally
[16:31] <Mamarok_> wouldn't it be easier to put the plasma 5 and framework stuff in a separate ppa?
[16:31] <Mamarok_> or what is it I did wrong?
[16:33] <Mamarok_> because in ints current state plasma5 works, but half of my stuff is missing, no way to work productively, like for example leaving the desktop doesn't work, no option in the menu, and switching shells with Ctrl+Alt +f1 causes plasma5 to display a startup progress bar ad eternam
[16:34]  * Mamarok_ eitgher did something totally wrong (which I doubt, I have updated quite often without such a problem) or there is a serious screw up for utopic
[16:34] <Mamarok_> either*
[16:35] <Mamarok_> he current panel also is barely usable, switching applications is no more possible, onl with the meyboard shortcuts
[16:35] <Mamarok_> keyboard*
[17:24] <yofel> Mamarok: plasma5 *is* in a seperate PPA, just ppa-purge-ing kubuntu-ppa/next should remove most of it
[17:24] <yofel> frameworks is in the archive, but that doesn't conflict with kde4
[17:37] <Mamarok_> right, so there is only one plasma-desktop file, and that is plasma 5, so impossible to get the kubuntu-desktop back, could somebody please have a look at it? I am getting weary about trxying to have a working desktop, that circular dependency is really maddeding
[17:37] <sgclark> yofel: This is triggering orange on several packages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8365074/ is it something to worry about? I am guessing it is from build tools and these packages don't have mkspecs?
[17:37] <Mamarok_> looks very much like totally screwed right now
[17:37] <yofel> Mamarok_: 
[17:37] <yofel> [19:24:40] <yofel> Mamarok: plasma5 *is* in a seperate PPA, just ppa-purge-ing kubuntu-ppa/next should remove most of it
[17:37] <yofel> [19:24:50] <yofel> frameworks is in the archive, but that doesn't conflict with kde4
[17:37] <yofel> could you pastebing what apt says when you try to downgrade plasma-desktop?
[17:38] <Mamarok_> yofel: I have been asking that for some time, but nobody didn't specify what I should remove, thanks, will try that
[17:38] <yofel> sgclark: ignore those for now. I don't think anyone came up with a good solution for that yet
[17:38] <sgclark> thank you
[17:38] <Mamarok_> I don't have access to the bouncer so I can't read everything that was said earlier, currently only Mamarok_ is readable to me
[17:39] <Mamarok_> I lsot all my previous settings
[17:39] <yofel> ah, sorry
[17:39] <Mamarok_> yeah, I need to get my bouncer credentials, this is nother thing that is driving me craz...
[19:03] <Mamarok_> yofel: that helped, thanks a bunch.
[19:03] <yofel> :)
[19:04] <Mamarok_> Other problem: the systemsettings seem to lack quite some KCMs now, especially the locale settings, what package did I miss?
[19:04] <yofel> is that maybe still the qt5 version? The qt5 systemsettings will only show ported KCMs
[19:05] <Mamarok_> shouldn't  that have been removed?
[19:07] <yofel> it should have been downgraded, but that's the first thing I can think of that would show that symptom
[19:07] <yofel> is kubuntu-desktop installed now?
[19:07] <Mamarok_> apparently I only have the 5 version, despite not having next enabled anymore
[19:08] <Mamarok_> yes, the kubuntu-desktop is installed
[19:08] <yofel> :/
[19:08] <Mamarok_> but the systemsettings is the wrong version
[19:08] <yofel> sudo apt-get install systemsettings=4:4.11.11-0ubuntu6
[19:08] <yofel> I wonder why it didn't downgrade it :/
[19:09] <Mamarok_> yay, that helped, thanks a bunch
[19:16] <yofel> sgclark: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8366970/
[19:27] <sgclark> fixed I hope
[19:31] <yofel> thanks
[19:33] <Darkwing_> valorie: is there more info other than https://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG/Presentation/DesignVisionPrinciples
[20:12] <soee> eee Plasma 5.0.2  ?
[20:12] <yofel> yes?
[20:13] <soee> :)
[20:13] <soee> i thought it will be released next month ?
[20:14] <sgclark> no this is not, frameworks need to go to archive first
[20:14] <soee> this arent frameworks right ?
[20:14] <sgclark> this is 4.14.1 I am running now
[20:14] <yofel> we have a frameworks  5.2 and plasma 5.0.2 and kde sc 4.14.1 release which are new
[20:19] <Riddell> I have very little bandwidth here
[20:19] <Riddell> but I can probably debsign stuff if it's needed to be uploaded
[20:20] <sgclark> frameworks is ready for archive, needs someone with powers to do so
[20:21] <Riddell> sgclark: if I set up a ec2 can you do everything needed so I just have to run debsign?
[20:21] <sgclark> I am working on 4.14.1 meanwhile
[20:21] <sgclark> I don't know what that is Riddell: sorry (needed)
[20:22] <sgclark> my internet keeps going out as well...
[20:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sgclark are you sure about frameworks
[20:25] <shadeslayer> I thought apachelogger mentioned something about ecm being broken
[20:25] <sgclark> shadeslayer: was fixed this morning
[20:26] <shadeslayer> alrighty
[20:26]  * shadeslayer goes back to book reading
[20:27] <sgclark> ....
[20:28] <shadeslayer> well, its quite a large book
[20:28] <shadeslayer> I need to get started today if I hope to finish it in my lifetime
[20:36] <Mamarok> what book?
[20:39] <Riddell> sgclark: ec2-54-89-61-228.compute-1.amazonaws.com if you need it
[20:40] <Riddell> run kubuntu-archive-upload (on your machine or on the ec2)
[20:40] <Riddell> it should set the changelog to utopic and build the final package
[20:40] <Riddell> then get me or someone else to debsign it
[20:40] <Riddell> oh you'll need a FFe
[20:40] <sgclark> FFe?
[20:41] <Riddell> file and bug for that and get me or ScottK to ack it
[20:41] <Riddell> feature freeze exception
[20:41] <yofel> !ffe
[20:41] <Riddell> just say nothing in the archive uses it so should be no problem
[20:42] <sgclark> ok... will do this when I can. I am in the middle of running 4.14.1
[20:42] <sgclark> and I am still on euro time heh
[20:43] <Riddell> don't get overloaded indeed
[20:43] <Riddell> and of course you have lots of politics to follow over the next 48 hours
[20:43] <sgclark> yeah it has all been on my local news
[20:45] <yofel> here the scottish news were kinda set aside by some american having the great idea to call that new private space rocket they want to make "V2"
[20:45] <yofel> which awakes some rather bad german memories
[20:45] <sgclark> yikes
[20:45] <sgclark> missed that
[20:46] <Riddell> I feel ignorant, what is that?
[20:47] <yofel> Riddell: the name of the couple that got sent over to your island a bit more than half a century ago
[20:47] <yofel> *couple rockets
[20:49] <Riddell> I hope that in a couple of days I won't have to point out how it's not an island any more :)
[20:49] <yofel> already got the little england badges printed? :P
[20:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also fwiw you want to upload pkg-kde-tools first?
[20:49] <yofel> *litte britain rather
[20:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it hasn't been uploaded?
[20:50] <shadeslayer> idk
[20:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it hasn't been
[20:51] <shadeslayer> I see 0.15.14 in the archive
[20:53] <shadeslayer> I like how live build has a script called chroot_hacks
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