[01:09] <Gassho> how do i download local copies of ALL the documentation?
[01:43] <holstein> Gassho: not sure.. there are wikis that you can download as you like
[01:43] <holstein> the man pages are already there..
[01:46] <Gassho> ok
[01:47] <Gassho> what about source code *lustlustlust* 8)
[04:43] <urielvigilant> urielvigilant	;My english is not soo has ai whisheD"! I've been in the recent past to speak with a psychic who says that Ubuntu or "# Linux" does not quite understand what the spirit that knows the future and the past said that someone buying via the "Internet" forever a "day" and the "current Justice" #Google will become a brand of access to pcs because the new generation of internet to come.
[04:43] <urielvigilant> 	urielvigilant	That day will be the end for us! And the beginning of a new era of slavery for them the future generation "They will just feel that are evolving and will accept like lambs"; # Please record and reproduce forever this "prediction of a psychic" # would be ""
[04:51] <urielvigilant> IAm only saiying the true
[04:52] <urielvigilant> !
[04:52] <urielvigilant> Please hep US , EU , Linux Vigilants
[11:13] <BQ> hi how apt-get update & apt-get upgrade work on lubuntu? it is for lubuntu only or whole ubuntu thing?
[11:16] <BQ> i just tested run lubuntu, it is indeed a lot faster than ubuntu. it reminds me  a lot of old memory.
[11:22] <zota_> repositories are the same
[11:23] <zota_> so if you want to install chromium, it will be downloaded from ubuntu repo
[11:25] <BQ> zota_: i mean if I do apt-get update & apt-get upgrade, does lubuntu just install what is needed or those boilerplate needed by ubuntu but not needed by lubuntu?
[11:26] <zota_> i dont know
[11:27] <zota_> BQ: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[11:34] <BQ> zota_: that is brieve
[11:34] <BQ> that is the panel for?
[11:36] <BQ> what is the panel for? at the bottom.
[11:36] <zota_> where?
[11:37] <BQ> right after brower at the bottom
[11:37] <zota_> click to figure it out:D
[11:39] <BQ> no idea
[11:41] <BQ> minimize all windows
[11:41] <BQ> the only issue is that there is no a decent terminal.
[11:42] <zota_> i use LXTerminal
[11:43] <zota_> thats default
[11:43] <zota_> but you can install which one you want
[11:44] <BQ> xterm/uxterm is too small font. LXTerminal is also ugly.
[11:45] <zota_> how you mean "ugly"? :)
[11:48] <testdr> zota: i could verify the lxde-logout with right-click on desktop for menu and select there the entry für calculator - as a workaround, i have disabled the desktop-menu - i did not use it for programstarts, execept for openbox-settings. Maybe thats why i never noticed this type of crash before.
[11:48] <zota_> testdr: yea, i just tried out
[11:49] <zota_> testdr: but we have a bugfix least
[11:49] <zota_> just hard to find it:)
[11:54] <BQ> too much space at the top. better put File/Edit line on the first line or hide it totally.
[11:54] <BQ> also make it round at the four corners.
[11:56] <BQ> because you will spend most of time with terminal, it makes sense to put more effect to make it better.
[11:56] <zota_> i spend so much time with terminal - aircrack-ng suite - and never had problem with lxterminal
[11:58] <zota_> BQ: but, you can suggest features to devs, they're here in this channel
[11:59] <testdr> why has xterm a too small font? If i need bigger size, i press strg+right-mouse-button and select another font-size -- maybe huge
[12:13] <BQ> zota_: are you developer for aircrack-ng?
[12:14] <zota_> nop
[12:49] <thykka> hey
[12:49] <thykka> is there a way to set lxdm's wallpaper mode to tiling instead of stretch?
[14:47] <zota> o/
[15:47] <Ahmuck> i'd like to disable the touchpad completely, how?
[15:47] <Ahmuck> before login
[15:51] <holstein> Ahmuck: i use a config for openbox..
[15:52] <Ahmuck> openbox config manager on the lubuntu menu?
[15:52] <Ahmuck> is there a way i can mod a file in /etc?
[15:52] <holstein> Ahmuck: sure
[15:52] <Ahmuck> i did this to get numlock to come on all the time
[15:53] <holstein> Ahmuck: there are many ways to do that.. from solder to bios, to lxde, to openbox.. per user, system-wide
[15:53] <Ahmuck> but i did not see a file for the mouse (or did not look hard enough)
[15:53] <Ahmuck> nevermind
[15:53] <holstein> Ahmuck: sure.. theres no "break your hardware" button.. but, let me find a link for you
[15:53] <holstein> i think a simple "xinput" command that you can add to autostart would be the "easiest"
[15:53] <thykka> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#Completely_disabling_Touchpad
[15:53] <Ahmuck> i've tried autostart, it does not appear to work
[15:54] <Ahmuck> thykka, yes, i've tried that.  it works but does not appear to work with autostart apps for some reason.  i do have that bookmarked
[15:54] <Ahmuck> and no, there are no changes, it's a new installed system (unless you count appplication bar icons as changes)
[15:54] <holstein> Ahmuck: autostart works for me, but, there are steps i take.. first would be running the command manualy and testing it
[15:55] <Ahmuck> did that
[15:55] <holstein> Ahmuck: anyways, http://askubuntu.com/questions/65951/how-to-disable-the-touchpad looks like how i would start.. i would not use the PPA.. just the information above
[15:55] <Ahmuck> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#Completely_disabling_Touchpad
[15:55] <thykka> i bet you could also blacklist the driver
[15:55] <Ahmuck> this is what i've used that works
[15:56] <holstein> Ahmuck: cool.. enjoy!
[15:56] <holstein> thykka: hey, thats a good idea.. system-wide as well
[15:57] <Ahmuck> yes, but i can't get it to do it before login or after login unless i do it manually
[15:57] <Ahmuck> i've tried to use autostart in the menu entry "Default Applications for LXSession
[15:57] <holstein> Ahmuck: i create a bash script and run it from autostart
[15:58] <holstein> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart is a good place to add
[15:58] <Ahmuck> from the autostart directory
[15:59] <holstein> Ahmuck: i would troubleshoot for permissions issues.. if the comand is "sudo" for example
[15:59] <Ahmuck> the .config autostart directory only starts after login, no?
[15:59] <thykka> this is old, so it might not apply to 14.04, but there's bound to be an updated method too.. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2010-July/223786.html
[15:59] <Ahmuck> oh, i understand.  the menu entry is only per user, not per system
[15:59] <holstein> blacklisting the driver would be "system-wide"
[16:00] <Ahmuck> i'm the only user, blacklisting the driver is a good choice.  it's that or open the guts of the computer and pull the physical cable
[16:00] <holstein> Ahmuck: if you are the only user, then the user's autostart should work fine for you
[16:01] <thykka> ..unless you really REALLY need it disabled in login too
[16:01] <holstein>   /etc/xdg/autostart should be systemwide autostart location you seek
[16:02] <Ahmuck> i really need it disable on logon.  when i logon my hands are to large and the touchpad is to large and it keeps messing with my logon (drops down guest, etc)
[16:02] <thykka> actually.. it looks like /etc/modprobe.d/ is still there in 14.04, so that url's directions might actually work
[16:02] <holstein> Ahmuck: sure.. try one of the suggestions above for getting it disabled at login, friend.. /etc/xdg/autostart or blacklist driver
[16:02] <Ahmuck> /etc/xdg/autostart looks like what i want with a desktop entry
[16:05] <thykka> why do you need it disabled btw?
[16:05] <thykka> I'm asking because at least the synaptics driver allows for palm-detection, so you won't accidentally use the touchpad while typing
[16:05] <Ahmuck> i use an exteranal usb mouse
[16:06] <Ahmuck> i've never used a touchpad on a laptop
[16:06] <Ahmuck> don't know how
[16:06] <Ahmuck> i started with the peg in the center of the keyboard
[16:06] <Ahmuck> touchstick (?)
[16:06] <Ahmuck> on the early IBM laptops
[16:07] <Ahmuck> http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/Lenovo-ThinkPad-Compact-Bluetooth-Keyboard-with-TrackPoint-keyboard/3041485.aspx?cm_cat=GoogleBase&cm_ite=3041485&cm_pla=NA-NA-LVO_KB&cm_ven=ShoppingFeeds&ef_id=VBmxqgAABQIYtOh8:20140917160706:s&gclid=CIi82PnQ6MACFaTm7AodeEUANw
[16:08] <thykka> i recently found an abandoned laptop with one of those
[16:08] <thykka> still haven't fixed it up though.. needs a new battery at least
[16:08] <holstein> these days, its not worth putting a battery in hardware like that
[16:09] <thykka> it is, when you're living the cyberpunk utopia in your living room :P
[16:09] <holstein> at least here, you can get many of those chromebooks, new, for around $100US if you are looking all around.. a new laptop battery can be half that.. and the machine at the end of the process is not comparable..
[16:10] <thykka> tbh, i was planning on fixing it and selling it for the price of the replacement components
[16:10] <Ahmuck> well, /etc/xdg/something/autostart/disable-synaptics-touchpad.desktop file works after login, but not before
[16:10] <Ahmuck> guess i'll deal with it
[16:12] <Ahmuck> stress level -3 points for today
[16:12] <thykka> i guess you could call the script from /etc/rc.local
[16:13] <holstein> or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM
[16:18] <Ahmuck> thanks for the link to lightdm.  next step is to disable guest login and set root password
[16:19] <Ahmuck> :-p
[16:19] <Ahmuck> nobody jumped
[16:22] <Ahmuck> System provided configuration is stored in /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/*.conf and is not user editable. - Is this true?
[16:22]  * Ahmuck used nano *.conf and appears editable
[16:24] <Ahmuck> out, thanks again for /etc/xdg/something/autostart
[16:26] <thykka> Ahmuck, i think that means that the file gets overwritten by updates
[16:26] <thykka> along with any user modifications
[16:27] <Ahmuck> ah, makes sense
[18:10] <Ahmuck> my laptop has no sound after closing the lid and re-opening, logging back into
[18:11] <Ahmuck> this is one i would be willing to file a bug report for.
[18:11] <Ahmuck> as it may be an odd bug
[18:14] <holstein> i used to have an alsa reload shortcut on the desktop of one machine i own..
[18:21] <Ahmuck> Error, you need to install an application to configure the sound (pavucontol, alsamixer ...)
[18:21] <holstein> alsamixer should be there
[18:21] <Ahmuck> however alsamixer is on the system as i can execute via cl
[18:21] <holstein> i like using pavucontrol, but, lubuntu doesnt ship with pulse
[18:21] <Ahmuck> but not through menu from systray icon
[18:22] <holstein> Ahmuck: there should be no menu entry for it
[18:22] <Ahmuck> "volume control settings"
[18:22] <holstein> right.. thats a GUI..
[18:22] <holstein> alsamixer is a command line curses tool
[18:22] <Ahmuck> right click on volume control icon, select volume control settings
[18:22] <Ahmuck> on other pc it would open alsamixer
[18:22] <Ahmuck> did not test on this one
[18:23] <holstein> likely, its a gui for it.. not "alsamixer"
[18:23]  * Ahmuck thinks i need to move to different channel
[18:23] <Ahmuck> *shrugs*, it would open a term with alsamixer
[18:23] <Ahmuck> bbl, need to read
[18:31] <wxl> Ahmuck: i know of no tool that comes standard in lubuntu that if you right click on it opens up alsamixer
[18:31] <wxl> i know other desktop environments provide such things but not lubuntu
[18:33] <Ahmuck> brb
[18:36] <Ahmuck> *shrugs*, worked before, not now
[18:37] <wxl> again, there is package out there (Forgot what it's called) that will do such a thing
[18:38] <wxl> you could see if there's a differencce in packages by doing `dpkg -l` on both machines and then `diff` the two
[18:38] <holstein> alsamixer should do what is needed
[18:38] <wxl> holstein: it does, but he wants his lxpanel indicator to open alsamixer when clicked
[18:39] <holstein> i would just make a shortcut, and put it wherever i want
[18:39] <wxl> holstein: he also has the impression one machine already does this and the other does not
[18:39] <holstein> yeah.. we'll just have to wait on some factual details..
[18:40] <wxl> indeed
[18:44]  * RedDeath Back
[18:44] <Subroutine> mine does exactly what Ahmuck, describes. right click on volume indicator, volume control settings opens alsamixer in lxterminal
[18:45] <holstein> Ahmuck has stated some kind of panel configuration
[18:45] <wxl> Subroutine: what is the indicator called?
[18:46] <holstein> wxl: i agree with where i think you are going..
[18:46] <Subroutine> wxl: volume control
[18:46] <wxl> Subroutine: and you can verify this in both the context menu where it says "<something> settings" as well as in the option for lxpanel where is lists all the indicators?
[18:47] <zota> wxl: i found an another bug:)
[18:47] <wxl> zota: congrats. file it :)
[18:47] <Ahmuck> holstein, wxl, works for me, sorry it doesn't work for you ;-)
[18:48] <Subroutine> wxl: yes
[18:48] <wxl> Ahmuck: i thought you said it didn't work.
[18:48] <holstein> Ahmuck: everything is find and dandy here.. i thought you were having an issue with it.. im glad its working as you need and expect.. enjoy
[18:48] <holstein> fine*
[18:48] <zota> wxl: accidentally i pulled out my wifi usb while its transmitting, and X got crashed
[18:48] <zota> wifi usb adapter
[18:48] <holstein> zota: is that a "bug" ?
[18:49] <wxl> zota: oooh that's fun. dmesg or syslog tell you anything about what specifically died?
[18:49] <wxl> holstein: well, one would hope it would complain at you, not crash the whole display server XD
[18:49] <Ahmuck> actually it's not.  was on the old laptop.  to be fair, it may have been a carry over from "upgrade".  however i normally don't upgrade, usually fresh install every time
[18:50] <holstein> Ahmuck: thats what i suggest
[18:50] <Ahmuck>  but prior to 14.04 it was always set a xterm for adjustment of alsa with alsamixer.
[18:50] <Ahmuck> bbl
[18:59] <zota> wxl: <info> (wlan0): device state change: disconnected -> unmanaged (reason 'removed') [30 10 36]
[18:59] <wxl> zota: that's doubtful to be your problem
[19:03] <zota> i cant find any x crach log
[19:14] <plome> hi. anyone using lubuntu to play roms on mame? I am looking for some information what is the best front-end to use
[19:15] <holstein> plome: i would just go upstream and see if you get more attention.. anything in main ubuntu or any of the flavors, or general debian/linux will bre relevant..
[19:15] <holstein> be*
[19:15] <plome> ok thanks
[19:15] <holstein> i forget where i landed with that, but i just loaded a bunch up and went with the easy one
[19:17] <plome> i will go there, thx
[19:17] <plome> :)
[21:14] <BQ> how do i know which package is from restricted/multiverse, or not opensouced?
[21:15] <BQ> in my install
[21:19] <melodie> by using Synaptic
[21:19] <melodie> and using the relevant filers in the columns
[21:20] <melodie> check in the "menu > preferences" and see for one column to eventuelly add: "component"
[21:33] <testdr> BQ: you can use dpkg-query - in terminal like this:   dpkg-query -W --showformat='${binary:Package} ${Section}\n'
[21:33] <testdr> BQ: its no smiley, its a :  and directly followed by package
[21:34] <testdr> BQ: maybe check "man dpkg-query" for the names of the format-output-fields
[22:11] <BQ> melodie: this is no horizontal scroll, cannot see info at the right.
[22:12] <melodie> BQ you don't scroll, you filter with the columns
[22:12] <BQ> melodie: cannot see the columns
[22:13] <melodie> there are columns in Synaptic
[22:13] <melodie> just look between the list of packages and the menus : those are the columns
[22:24] <BQ> melodie: i created filter. how to apply filter?
[22:24] <melodie> BQ let me see
[22:25] <melodie> have you added a column "components" in the Menu > Preferences menu?
[22:25] <melodie> "Menu > Configuration > Preferences"
[22:26] <BQ> testdr: dpkg-query -W --showformat='${binary:Package} ${Section} {Component}\n' does not show component.
[22:26] <melodie> BQ it's paste midnight here, so now we are going to hurry, ok?
[22:26] <melodie> don't do that
[22:26] <melodie> jsut what I just told you
[22:26] <melodie> "Menu > Configuration > Preferences"
[22:26] <melodie> in there you go to the tab "Columns and fonts"
[22:27] <melodie> then you tick "Component"
[22:27] <melodie> then you click to "Apply" and you close the windows
[22:27] <melodie> -s
[22:27] <melodie> window
[22:27] <melodie> then on top of the list of packages, you have :
[22:28] <melodie> S | | Package | Component | Installed version | Last version ... and so on
[22:28] <melodie> do you see that line?
[22:28] <melodie> if you see that line, just click on the word "Component"
[22:29] <BQ> yes i see component. but how to apply filter i just created.
[22:29] <melodie> this will group all installed packages by component, and then all you have left to do is scroll to the multiverse component
[22:29] <melodie> you don't use the filter you created, you do not need that
[22:29] <melodie> the filtering is done by gathering the components in the column : just read what I just told you
[22:31] <BQ> ok thanks.
[22:31] <melodie> :)
[22:31] <melodie> welcome
[22:43] <weld_> testdr, hey, did you by chance find out something about the 'no session for pid xxx' error?
[22:59] <testdr> weld_: no - i only could see the error-message about it starting the guest-session. But the guest-session then runs and i can only confirm that some configuration is wrong. I know to less about new version of lightdm.
[23:00] <weld_> i actually haven't found anything to be broken, despite this message