[14:19] <order> holaa
[14:19] <order> alguien me puede ayudar pls
[14:19] <cfhowlett> !es | order
[14:19] <order> somebody can help me?
[14:22] <chaos-> i want install my maschine controller and my soundcard, focusrite saffire 6 usb
[14:28] <chaos-> ??
[15:02] <holstein> chaos-: you just plug it in, and it should work
[15:02] <holstein> chaos-: those are class compliant, AFAIK
[15:02] <holstein> chaos-: please refer to..
[15:02] <holstein> !audio
[15:02] <holstein> and..
[15:02] <holstein> !proaudio
[15:03] <holstein> and the channel in your native language, and let us know if you have any specific questions
[15:03] <chaos-> my soundcard focusrite saffire isnt work too
[15:03] <holstein> chaos-: right, and i understand thats what you are saying.. but, thats not necessarily true
[15:03] <holstein> chaos-: it could be, you have not learned to set it up propoerly, or route to it
[15:04] <chaos-> thats the reason beacuse im here :)
[15:04] <holstein> chaos-: what would i do? in the links above, you can read about identifying the hardware.. you can open a terminal and run "lsusb".. you should see the device there.. if so, you move on to "aplay -l" and "arecord -l"
[15:04] <holstein> !paste
[15:05] <holstein> ^ you can paste the outputs if you need assistance understanding the output
[15:05] <chaos-> thanks
[15:05] <holstein> those commands will help you identify the device, and see that it is being recognized.. and understand that it *is* "installed"
[15:06] <holstein> i would also just use my internal audio device to learn to use JACK, and route in JACK and using pavucontrol in pulse
[15:07] <holstein> if you have *many* new variables.. new to linux, new to ubuntu, new to ubuntustudio *and* a device that is not promised to work with linux, dont try and tackle all of that at once
[15:07] <chaos-> how can install jack 2
[15:07] <chaos-> or caiaq
[15:07] <holstein> chaos-: jack is included in ubuntustudio
[15:07] <chaos-> jack2?
[15:08] <holstein> chaos-: jack is included in the default repos.. you can use the package manager of your choice to install it
[15:08] <chaos-> yes i have it
[15:08] <holstein> chaos-: that is not why your device is not working
[15:08] <chaos-> in patchage can i see the maschine controller
[15:09] <chaos-> i read i have to install caiaq
[15:09] <holstein> chaos-: *if*/when you learn to properly setup and use the device, jack will allow you to route to it
[15:10] <holstein> !info snd-usb-caiaq
[15:10] <holstein> ^ is that what you are referring to?
[15:10] <chaos-> yes
[15:10] <holstein> chaos-: you shouldnt need to add anything to support your device
[15:10] <chaos-> ok
[15:11] <holstein> chaos-: i have many usb audio devices.. i literally plug them in, and follow the links and steps i outlined to determine how and if i can use them in the operating system im using (ubuntustudio/linux) that the manufacturers dont support or provide drivers for
[15:12] <chaos-> i want use bitwig whit my maschine mk1
[15:12] <chaos-> my soundcard istn work too
[15:13] <chaos-> its a saffire 6usb
[15:13] <holstein> chaos-: yes.. i understand.. but, again, this is adding an unecessary variable
[15:13] <chaos-> ok
[15:13] <holstein> chaos-: please *unplug* the USB device, and learn to use JACK with the internal audio device
[15:13] <holstein> *then*, you can either learn to use bitwig, *or* the USB device.. its not constructive or helpful to do both at the same time
[15:14] <holstein> get one thing working.. then, only change one variable as you learn
[15:14] <chaos-> im gonna read about jack
[15:15] <chaos-> thanks
[15:16] <holstein> make sure you simplify the hardware setup as well.. no USB hubs.. disable or unplug/remove the internal audio device, so when you get to troubleshooting the USB device, it will be the only one
[15:17] <holstein> keep in mind, you are not promised hardware support from focusrite.. they hire a team of experts to write drivers for you for other operating system.. when you go on your own with linux, which they dont support, you are taking that burden of support on yourself
[15:17] <holstein> there is nothing ubuntu/linux/ubuntustuduio is doing to prevent the focusrite from working in linux, but, there is little that the alsa team can do, officially, to make it work if it doesnt
[15:18] <holstein> but, AFAIK, that device is plug and play, class compliant.. and "just works" tm
[15:20] <chaos-> thanks
[16:50] <thomasevd> upgraded to 14 from 12 ardour is asking for ffprobe and ffmpeg but these are removed from rep. what to do? thx
[17:13] <holstein> thomasevd: you upgraded ardour?
[17:13] <holstein> or, you mean, "i did a distrobution upgrade from ubuntu 12.04 to ubuntu 14.04" ?
[17:14] <holstein> thomasevd: regardless, its a good idea to disable or purge ppa packages.. there are no ubuntustudio repositories, so, if you have no ppa's added right now, just run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in a terminal and share any errors via..
[17:14] <holstein> !paste
[17:17] <thomasevd> distribution upgrade specifically for ardour3
[17:17] <holstein> thomasevd: sure
[17:17] <holstein> thomasevd: there is no such thing
[17:17] <holstein> thomasevd: ardour 3 is in the main repo.. so, if you want it in 14.04, you just install it
[17:18] <holstein> thomasevd: i would start with the commands i linked, to identify any errors you are having with your packages.. then, move on to getting ardour installed
[17:18] <holstein> should be able to easily find both ardour 2 and 3 in the main default repo
[17:19] <thomasevd> both ardour2 and ardour3 are now installed, ardour3 installed when I did a distribution update will run your commands ..
[17:22] <thomasevd> apt-get upgrade wants to install 14 packages yet ...
[17:26] <thomasevd> ok so all upgrades done I run ardour3 and try to import a video and get "No ffprobe or ffmpeg executables could be found on this system..."
[17:28] <holstein> thomasevd: i would try #ardour and the forums for it
[17:28] <holstein> thomasevd: they will suggest trying the latest from the site
[17:29] <thomasevd> ok thx
[17:29] <holstein> seems to me like you dont have what is needed for ardour to import the video
[17:29] <holstein> thomasevd: i would make sure my system has ffmpeg, for whatever it needs.. avconv
[17:30] <thomasevd> ffmpeg is no longer in repos !!
[17:30] <holstein> thomasevd: thats why i said "whatever it needs".. though, there are many ways to deal with it
[17:31] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/432542/is-ffmpeg-missing-from-the-official-repositories-in-14-04 for example references a PPA and other alternatives
[17:35] <thomasevd> saw that but my question is why wouldn't the distribution install needed packages for ardour3 in the first place oh well thanks anyways
[18:25] <waykool99> By slight chance, anyone use 50/50 partitions: ubuntu studio v10.04.4 32 BIT (non) LTS -and- ubuntu studio v14.04.1 amd64 LTS on same HD's?  Wondering if any problems might arise from editing Audio files (back and forth) -or- might I consider a possible VM to do this?
[18:25] <holstein> !10.04
[18:26] <holstein> waykool99: what do you mean by "v10.04.4 32bit (non) LTS"?
[18:26] <holstein> anyways.. i have 2 systems on my production machine at all times
[18:26] <holstein> nothing about any production workflow will work well in VM
[18:27] <waykool99> heard 3 years ago 10.04 LTS was going to expire.   in was no news to me.
[18:27] <holstein> waykool99: what do you mean by "non LTS" ?
[18:27] <holstein> editing a simple "audio file" will be like editing a text document.. it'll just edit and save..
[18:27] <waykool99> non - meaning its no longer Long Term Support
[18:28] <holstein> waykool99: no.. it *was* lts. its no longer supported at all
[18:28] <holstein> the repos are still hot for the server edition
[18:28] <waykool99> i love both OS's but using 6 PC's., ages from 2 months to 16 years old.
[18:28] <holstein> sure.. and do what you like.. but, there is not "non lts" 10.04
[18:29] <holstein> its just EOL.. it *was* lts
[18:29] <holstein> anyways.. its like this.. if you have a text editor, or libre office on many machines.. you open and edit a file, and save it back. you can open it with another
[18:30] <holstein> now.. something like ardour is a bit different, but, ardour is ardour.. and you would open the ardour session, and it opens
[18:30] <waykool99> lol. i understand you perfectly.  but many have screamed at me "10.04 LTS is no longer ($#&^%) supported.  have to be sensitive whenever i ask the question.
[18:30] <holstein> you get into trouble with plugins and locations.. but, its not going to prevent the sesssion from opening
[18:31] <holstein> i wrote 14.04 over my 10.04 partition. and i still have the 12.04 partition.. i will keep that til 16.04
[18:31] <holstein> i do most of my work in one.. but, it really depends on what you are doing and expecting
[18:31] <holstein> i would have good backups regardless.. and maybe a setup with verion control
[18:31] <waykool99> plus-- on old computers, Xfce still sends crash reports at very inappriate times.
[18:32] <holstein> well, when things crash, that can launch.. if i have that issue , i disable the reporting.. after filing bugs
[18:32] <waykool99> *inappropriate
[18:32] <holstein> though, on older hardware, its not realistic to expect attention
[18:33] <waykool99> most would be surprised what Linux can do on old computers.
[18:36] <waykool99> i still use ubuntu desktop v7.10 and knoppix v5.0.1 cd's for certain things. knoppix v5, ext 4 had't been invented yet, neither had wireless internet.
[18:43] <waykool99> i always submit bug reports. why? because the only way developers can fix things, if we communicate with them on hardware/software conflicts.  no 2 computers on this planet are exactly alike.
[18:44] <holstein> well, its really up to the manufacturers.. in cases like intel where they support linux, you can see how that helps
[18:44] <holstein> anyways.. when hardware ages, the support for it is dropped from the kernel.. "legacy" hardware
[18:49] <waykool99> as a hobby, i rebuild old computers. i keep old 5 1/4" and 3 1/2" floppy drives, old IDE ribbon cables, old creative SB sound cards and old ATI/nVidia graphics cards.  i barter with customers.  In exchange for fixing their old computer, they give me old VCR's, vinyl 45, 3 1/3 and 78", which i also rebuild.
[18:49] <waykool99> plus turntables, cassette/8 track tape players.
[18:51] <waykool99> most important, i install ubuntu Linux on their computers.  give them a quick tutorial on getting used to the OS.
[19:04] <thomasevd> re ardour3 so compiled ffmpeg from source and ln -s ffmpeg ffmpeg_harvid; ln -s ffprobe ffprobe_harvid and all seems good now
[19:04] <holstein> yup.. you could add the PPA i referenced as well.. or tell ardour to use avconv
[19:05] <thomasevd> yes but avconv is not in repos either!!
[19:05] <holstein> !info libav
[19:05] <holstein> !info libav-tools
[19:06] <holstein> its in the link i gave.. http://askubuntu.com/questions/432542/is-ffmpeg-missing-from-the-official-repositories-in-14-04
[19:06] <holstein> probably just need to add it, and it "just works"
[19:08] <thomasevd> ok thanks all -
[19:08] <thomasevd> \partall