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[02:29] <valorie> Darkwing: look at the whole category: https://techbase.kde.org/Category:Usability
[02:30] <valorie> and https://vdesign.kde.org/
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[06:28] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:31] <Riddell> are we independent yet?
[06:49] <valorie> don't we have a wait a few hours to know?
[06:56] <Riddell> aww, but I want to know now!
[06:56] <Riddell> result in about 20 hours
[06:58] <valorie> I feel the same way
[06:58] <valorie> esp. after hearing more from all the news shows
[06:59] <valorie> I hope that Scotland will be OK after all that emotion
[07:12] <soee> Riddell: you are not :)
[07:33] <apachelogger> row row row your boat
[07:34] <apachelogger> I think I am getting a bit tired of all this 
[07:34] <apachelogger> qml-module-org-kde-core
[07:35] <apachelogger> - wrong name
[07:35] <apachelogger> - not dependency of anything that needs it -> breaks all the things by not being pulled in
[07:35] <apachelogger> <- pissed off beyond comprehension
[07:37] <valorie> yikes, where are all the wrong names coming from?
[07:38] <apachelogger> sloppy developers
[07:38] <apachelogger> just like this newly renamed package had no proper relationship with the previous one causing instalaltion errors due to file conflicts
[07:39] <valorie> beginners, or those who should know better?
[07:40] <apachelogger> I do not even want to look to be honest
[07:49] <apachelogger> and we have a random git snapshot of kscreen in the ppa
[07:49] <apachelogger> without translations
[07:49] <apachelogger> but with a .git directory for good measure
[08:08] <apachelogger> mh
[08:08] <apachelogger> brrr
[08:09] <apachelogger> I dropped a patch from ECM unstable, CI merged it back in because the patch was added to ECM next
[08:09] <apachelogger> I hate it when things work as expected :S
[09:53] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel: present frameworks is not good for upload
[09:53] <apachelogger> plasma-framework is entirely fucked
[09:53] <shadeslayer> did it get uploaded to the archive?
[09:54] <apachelogger> I very much hope not
[09:54] <apachelogger> because I am now bzr reverting without upgrade path
[09:56] <apachelogger> fully reverted now except for legit changes
[09:57] <apachelogger> now ci is going to be fucked
[09:57] <apachelogger> \o/
[10:28] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdb/+bug/1371043
[10:50] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[10:50] <apachelogger> libkf5filemetadata1-dev
[10:50] <apachelogger> why does that have a 1
[10:50] <apachelogger> nobody knows
[14:11] <shadeslayer> wat
[14:46] <sgclark> is this still not available? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8372775/
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[15:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: staph
[15:13] <shadeslayer> they history
[15:13] <shadeslayer> think of the history
[15:16] <apachelogger> like you really believe the history is going to make it into git
[15:26] <sgclark> not that I will get an answer, but I will try anyway.. What is the story on plasma-active? okular wants it , but it does not exist for utopic?
[15:29] <shadeslayer> okular has a optional dep right
[15:29] <shadeslayer> surely that can be dropped
[15:35] <sgclark> technically yes, it will remove features... hopefully no one will notice? /shrug
[15:42] <shadeslayer> sgclark: since we're making a concious decision to drop plasma, some fallout is expected
[15:42] <shadeslayer> should be minor though
[15:42] <sgclark> ok
[15:43] <apachelogger> no one uses active
[16:24] <sgclark> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8373424/
[17:12] <sgclark> ScottK: apachelogger: shadeslayer or anyone important, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kio/+bug/1371211 need Ack? I guess.
[17:17] <shadeslayer> sgclark: up to the release team
[17:17] <shadeslayer> nominated for utopic
[17:18] <sgclark> shadeslayer: just doing what Riddell told me to do. He mentioned to ask for Ack. /shrug
[17:19] <Riddell> right, me or ScottK are release team
[17:19] <Riddell> but apachelogger said plasma-frameworks was broken?
[17:21] <sgclark> said nothing to me. ok....
[17:25] <Riddell> 10:53 < apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel: present frameworks is not good for upload
[17:25] <Riddell> 10:53 < apachelogger> plasma-framework is entirely fucked
[17:25] <Riddell> 10:54 < apachelogger> because I am now bzr reverting without upgrade path
[17:25] <Riddell> 10:56 < apachelogger> fully reverted now except for legit changes
[17:25] <Riddell> so maybe it's ok now not sure
[17:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: should be good now
[17:26] <apachelogger> sgclark: how did you bump the versions on plasma-workspace and baloo btw?
[17:26] <apachelogger> or with what tool
[17:26] <apachelogger> because they got things wrong... baloo, kfilemetadata and kscreen are not frameworks
[17:34] <sgclark> apachelogger: those were manual.. it was late, I likely screwed up. I am the one working on all this, why would you not ping me with issues??
[17:35] <apachelogger> sgclark: because I can just as well fix them? :P
[17:35] <apachelogger> they are blocking ci rollout
[17:36] <sgclark> you pinged everyone else... whatever.
[17:36] <apachelogger> I blocked them to not upload something that was broken
[17:36] <apachelogger> s/blocked/pinged
[17:37] <sgclark> alright. I suppose that makes sense. Sorry, tired and cranky.
[17:54] <Mamarok> I have another problem: no network manager, there appears to be a plasma-nm, but that is for plasma5
[17:54] <Mamarok> I have to start the network manually on startup, ditto for x
[17:55] <Mamarok> so apparently there are still some packages that were not reverted to previous kubuntu-desktop
[17:56]  * Mamarok ponders reinstalling, since my system right now is really screwed
[17:56] <sgclark> Mamarok: I am on pure kde4 atm and having network issues... so it may not be from that. 
[17:57] <Mamarok> well, it's not networking issues, I have a network manager that is for plasma5, which clearly is wrong, so the reverting to plasma4 is a partial failure
[17:57] <Mamarok> hence my idea about reinstalling
[17:58] <Mamarok> but that means I have to make a backup again and will loose time again
[18:07] <allee> Mamarok:  FWIW you can put /home into it's own partition.  And if you have the space create an os1 and os2 partition.  So one never 'reinstall', but  install on the other unsused os<N> partition.  In this case you can even quickly boot in the old system if the new OS installation fails.
[18:08] <Mamarok> allee: I know that, not a beginner...
[18:08] <allee> Mamarok: uh, it's not only me how know that?  Damn :-)
[18:09] <Mamarok> but this is an SSD, and I choose not to use a separate home aprtition anymore because of that, cause the alst few upgrades were not a problem, I didn't expect plasma5 to screw up so much when reverting to plsma4
[18:09] <Mamarok> cause right now I still have a lot of plasma5 in use isntead of plasma4, purging the next ppa didn't full work
[18:10] <Mamarok> anyway, downoding the beta and going back to a separate home aprtition, seems a better choice with all the screw up
[18:10] <allee> Oh, oh. Stuff always goes wrong when there's no backup!  That's a law :-)
[18:11] <yofel> AFAIK Ubiquity can install over an installed system by removing the existing system folders, you could try that first
[18:11] <Mamarok> erm, that is not the point, I do have a backup
[18:11] <yofel> ok
[18:11] <Mamarok> yofel: that was my answer to allee
[18:11] <Mamarok> yofel: any link to the old network manager so I could install it?
[18:12] <Mamarok> anyway, I guess reinstalling is in order, there also is lightdm screwed up
[18:12] <Mamarok> and my wegGL doesn't work anymore either
[18:12] <yofel> lightdm should not be screwed up.. it works fine even on my plasma5 install
[18:12] <Mamarok> well, it doesn't start
[18:12] <yofel> the nm widget would be in plasma-widget-networkmanagement 0.9.3.4-1
[18:12] <Mamarok> I ahve to start x manually
[18:13] <yofel> :/
[18:14] <Mamarok> I have the package, but I also have plasma-nm from plasma5, so I guess it makes the widget simply not showing up
[18:14] <BluesKaj_> Mamarok, I had to reinstall the OS to / , after I had the same problem as yours
[18:14] <Mamarok> anyway, reinstalling, let me find a suitable USB disk...
[18:15] <Mamarok> and I will repartition the disk, seems to be safer to have home separately after all...
[18:15] <Mamarok> let's hope at least the partition manager works
[18:17] <BluesKaj_> Mamarok, yes it is safer, saved my "bacon" a few times already 
[18:18] <BluesKaj_> I use an old 1G stick with gparted on it 
[18:45] <genii> Mmm bacon
[18:47] <Mamarok> brilliant, usb-creator-kde doesn't let me erase an USB disk...
[18:47] <Mamarok> I get this error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.dbus.exceptions.DBusException: com.ubuntu.USBCreator.Error.NotAuthorized
[18:48] <Mamarok> despite having asked me my password
[18:51]  * Mamarok tries unetbootin
[18:51] <Mamarok> crap, now kdesudo doesn't work anymore...
[18:52] <Mamarok> looks like everything is pretty much screwed right now
[18:52]  * Mamarok tries to find a DVD
[20:33] <mcstr_> in kde plasma next when i chose print key as shortcut to run ksnapshot even if assigned it does nothing, is that a reported bug yet?
[21:07] <soee_> there is a lot of shortcuts missing