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| barry | o/ | 15:00 |
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| jodh | \o | 15:00 |
| cjwatson | o/ | 15:00 |
| sil2100 | \o | 15:00 |
| caribou | o/ | 15:00 |
| * slangasek waves | 15:00 | |
| cjwatson | bah, you broke the chain | 15:00 |
| * barry thinks maybe it should be more like ~o~ | 15:00 | |
| mvo_ | hi | 15:00 |
| bdmurray | \o | 15:00 |
| slangasek | /o\ | 15:01 |
| slangasek | #startmeeting | 15:02 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Sep 18 15:02:24 2014 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 15:02 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 15:02 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Lightning round | 15:02 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Lightning round | ||
| slangasek | $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek cjwatson caribou infinity mvo bhuey sil2100 robru) | 15:02 |
| slangasek | infinity sil2100 doko stgraber caribou cjwatson bhuey bdmurray mvo robru slangasek barry jodh | 15:02 |
| slangasek | no infinity here currently | 15:02 |
| slangasek | sil2100: | 15:02 |
| sil2100 | ACK | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | - Landing team work, preparing landing e-mails | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | - Coordinating the promotion of ubuntu and ubuntu-rtm channels | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | - CI Train maintenance and features: | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | * Preparing the switch to doing binary copies in synces | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | * Adding flag giving the option not to append the ~rtm to the version for ubuntu-rtm | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | * Fixing some publish job issues | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | * First try on fixing the watch-ppa problem with sync silos | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | * Tweaking CI Train to properly handle silo synces (sync:x) in both ways | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | - Repartitioning and updating my krillin | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | - Creating the base version of TouchChannels wiki page | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | - Discussions regarding new landing schemes, landing enhancements etc. | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | - Ubuntu Engineering Live! | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | - First look into the CI Train Dashboard code in preparation for some changes | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | - Quick fix for the spreadsheet to list image numbers for more than just mako | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | - Working on preparing another list of missing packages not synced to ubuntu-rtm | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | - More additions to the Issue Tracker, still under testing | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | (done) | 15:03 |
| doko | - trusty test rebuilds (release, updates and security) | 15:04 |
| doko | - utopic test rebuilds (main only). PLEASE FIX the ftbfs ... | 15:04 |
| doko | - currently at Linaro Connect | 15:04 |
| doko | - ibm java upload (finally) | 15:04 |
| doko | (done) | 15:04 |
| stgraber | - Quite a bunch of internal meetings and working on internal projects and | 15:04 |
| stgraber | documentation, so still not much I can share, sorry. | 15:04 |
| stgraber | - Some LXC code reviews and related discussions. | 15:04 |
| stgraber | - Did some FFe reviews. | 15:04 |
| stgraber | - Some system-image config updates for RTM. | 15:04 |
| stgraber | - Uploaded ubiquity fixing that Windows UEFI bug I mentioned last week. | 15:04 |
| stgraber | - Some admin work for Linux Plumbers, we're getting close! | 15:04 |
| stgraber | (DONE) | 15:04 |
| caribou | * working toward sosreport 3.2 release | 15:04 |
| caribou | * Degraded mode issue with grub when localized in french : | 15:05 |
| caribou | - SRU for bug #1073108 in just one day. thanks to cjwatson | 15:05 |
| ubottu | bug 1073108 in grub2 (Ubuntu Precise) "grub-pc fails to boot (system resets after GRUB prompt) on degraded RAID" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1073108 | 15:05 |
| caribou | * New uptream makedumpfile release : 1.5.7 - Used the opportunity to release the new networked kdump functionality - My first official DM upload | 15:05 |
| caribou | (done) | 15:05 |
| cjwatson | Emergency PackageKit fix prompted by a linkage change in apt. | 15:05 |
| cjwatson | click: | 15:05 |
| cjwatson | - Working on new D-Bus service to replace our use of PackageKit. Took a while to get hold of the connected username but Martin Pitt eventually dug me out of my misunderstanding. | 15:05 |
| cjwatson | - I have the service running now; just need to write the client side. | 15:05 |
| cjwatson | - Minor fix to "click info" to cope with getting manifests from files that don't end with .click, which shouldn't be required for installation. | 15:05 |
| cjwatson | Kept up with all sorts of miniature fires in ubuntu-rtm, image building, etc. | 15:05 |
| cjwatson | Trying to work out how best to get add-apt-repository working on ubuntu-rtm, which requires a bit more than what's in software-properties/utopic now. I have most of a possible approach but awaiting feedback from Michael when he has time. | 15:05 |
| cjwatson | Reviewed/sponsored fixes for bug 1362752 and bug 1073108. | 15:05 |
| ubottu | bug 1362752 in Kubuntu PPA "no SDDM autologin even if ubiquity box is set" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1362752 | 15:05 |
| cjwatson | On the side, worked on a new man-db release. Ordering file accesses by their first physical extent (idea from dpkg) makes mandb run about three times faster on rotational disks! | 15:05 |
| cjwatson | .. | 15:05 |
| mvo_ | cjwatson: what linkage change what that? I don't think this was intended … :/ | 15:06 |
| cjwatson | Oh, also, I'm off on Monday visiting family. | 15:06 |
| cjwatson | mvo_: I don't think it was apt's fault which is why I didn't complain at you - just a side-effect of an otherwise innocent change. | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | mvo_: https://github.com/hughsie/PackageKit/pull/11 has the details | 15:07 |
| mvo_ | heh, thanks | 15:07 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: no bill? | 15:07 |
| slangasek | seems not | 15:07 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: you're up then | 15:07 |
| bdmurray | pushed daisy change not to write ProcMaps for resume from suspend failures | 15:07 |
| bdmurray | updated daisy to retry failed to retrace armhf crashes | 15:07 |
| bdmurray | updated daisy not to retrace crashes with "[origin: " in Package | 15:08 |
| bdmurray | investigation into retracer slowness (seems to be associated with apport r2854) | 15:08 |
| bdmurray | reported apport bug 1370230 regarding apport-retrace being slower | 15:08 |
| ubottu | bug 1370230 in Apport "apport-retrace has become slower" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1370230 | 15:08 |
| bdmurray | working with thedac to test staging cassandra and cleanup excess data | 15:08 |
| slangasek | bhuey: let us know if/when you're here | 15:08 |
| bdmurray | attended cassandra summit 2014 | 15:08 |
| bdmurray | modified phased-updater to use changes file to find email addresses if they have hidden their address in launchpad | 15:08 |
| bdmurray | documented a test case for bug 1353171 | 15:08 |
| ubottu | bug 1353171 in apt (Ubuntu Trusty) "Misparses dpkg status line, fails to write apport reports" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1353171 | 15:08 |
| bdmurray | reported ubuntu-release-upgrader bug 1370243 | 15:08 |
| ubottu | bug 1370243 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Utopic) "do-release-upgrade causing tracebacks with no_longer_supported string" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1370243 | 15:08 |
| bdmurray | overrode false regression regarding ubuntu-release-upgrader | 15:08 |
| bhuey | slangasek: ok | 15:08 |
| cjwatson | mvo_: (that kFreeBSD-related change meant that libapt-pkg no longer uses forkpty, which means that it no longer links against anything in -lutil, so the linker drops it) | 15:08 |
| bdmurray | updated arsenal code to fix roaksoax issues also helped him write a report | 15:08 |
| bdmurray | worked with manjo regarding flash-kernel SRU bug report | 15:08 |
| bdmurray | review of xnox's improving whoopsie ID stability work | 15:08 |
| bdmurray | tried to build whoopsie and resolve a dbus test failure | 15:08 |
| bdmurray | wrote a greasemonkey script to help slangasek review employee candidates | 15:08 |
| bdmurray | arranged travel to Devices Sprint in October | 15:08 |
| cjwatson | mvo_: (I mean openpty) | 15:08 |
| mvo_ | cjwatson: yeah, once I saw your diff I figured it out | 15:08 |
| bdmurray | ✔ done | 15:08 |
| mvo_ | apt: | 15:08 |
| mvo_ | - Big security update (CVE-2014-0487, CVE-2014-0488, CVE-2014-0489, | 15:08 |
| mvo_ | CVE-2014-0490) | 15:08 |
| mvo_ | - Hunt/fix regression from last security update (#1371058, bts #762079) | 15:08 |
| mvo_ | - Work on update improvements | 15:08 |
| mvo_ | - Debug/fix proxy-override bug #759264 | 15:08 |
| bhuey | This week | 15:08 |
| bhuey | -TCK compiler test suite is running with only a few errors | 15:08 |
| bhuey | -TCK devtools test suite runs without failures. About 21000 tests for both suites | 15:08 |
| mvo_ | click: | 15:08 |
| ubottu | ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-0487) | 15:08 |
| bhuey | -learn about the TCK configuration file and how to add environment variables and shell | 15:08 |
| mvo_ | - Work on acquire support (lp:~mvo/click/acquire) | 15:09 |
| ubottu | ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-0488) | 15:09 |
| mvo_ | using the apt methods, udm plugin and pycurl plugin | 15:09 |
| bhuey | -read a few small documents about ubuntu/debian packaging | 15:09 |
| mvo_ | - Work on click hook for $PATH support for cli apps | 15:09 |
| mvo_ | (lp:~mvo/click/click-bin-path) | 15:09 |
| ubottu | ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-0489) | 15:09 |
| mvo_ | - Work on "repository" support for click, i.e. the click store for now | 15:09 |
| mvo_ | to query and see updates (lp:~mvo/click/repository) | 15:09 |
| ubottu | ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-0490) | 15:09 |
| ubottu | bug 759264 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759264 | 15:09 |
| mvo_ | - Review lp:~cjwatson/click/system-hook-gc/+merge/234456 | 15:09 |
| mvo_ | - Server image work/discussion | 15:09 |
| mvo_ | misc: | 15:09 |
| mvo_ | - help analyzing image size: | 15:09 |
| mvo_ | lp:~mvo/+junk/naive-remover (not that naive anymore) | 15:09 |
| mvo_ | - look at pkgbinarymangler bug #1072297 without much success | 15:09 |
| mvo_ | (done) | 15:09 |
| ubottu | bug 1072297 in pkgbinarymangler (Ubuntu) ""Installed-Size" field in most of Ubuntu packages from the main section is incorrect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1072297 | 15:09 |
| cjwatson | TCK devtools> nice! how horrible was it to get that far? | 15:09 |
| bhuey | (done) | 15:09 |
| robru | one sec | 15:09 |
| bhuey | sorry for posting with bad timing | 15:10 |
| robru | * CI Train | 15:10 |
| robru | - pep8 & pyflakes cleanup for cupstream2distro/ dir | 15:10 |
| robru | - eliminate some copypasta from prepare_silo.py | 15:10 |
| robru | - broke a logical unit out of main() into a new function with tests | 15:10 |
| robru | - found a reimplementatin of set.discard and deleted it in favor of using set.discard | 15:10 |
| robru | - increased the logging in the build job to try and troubleshoot the issue where it reports successful builds immediately without actually scanning the PPA. still no luck on a solution there though | 15:10 |
| robru | - total overhaul of prepare_silo_using_spreadsheet_info.py with tests | 15:10 |
| robru | - Fixed or deleted the remaining skipped tests -- no more skipped tests! | 15:10 |
| robru | - deleted a ton of unused code | 15:10 |
| robru | - transformed citrain/ dir into a real python module so eg. if one script needs to call another script, they can import and call each other in a tidy pythonic way, rather than shelling out to invoke each other. | 15:10 |
| robru | - (plus ten million landings) | 15:10 |
| robru | (done) | 15:10 |
| barry | robru: "found a reimplementatin of set.discard and deleted it" wow | 15:11 |
| robru | barry: you have no idea | 15:11 |
| mvo_ | heh :) | 15:12 |
| robru | barry: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/cupstream2distro/revision/734#cupstream2distro/packageinppamanager.py | 15:12 |
| sil2100 | robru: the watch-ppa thing is fixed now | 15:12 |
| slangasek | * analysis of the phone images for low-hanging fruit to remove (thanks, mvo!); will be unseeding some fonts that are directly seeded and shouldn't be | 15:12 |
| slangasek | * started a biweekly landing team meeting to dig further into topics that don't fit in the daily stand-ups | 15:12 |
| slangasek | * TI partner package reviews: there are a lot of them again for another round, look for some of these reviews to be distributed | 15:12 |
| slangasek | * next Wednesday, out for a business meeting with a partner in Seattle | 15:12 |
| slangasek | * archive rebuild: working through the cross-toolchain packages, the packaging is an out-of-sync mess but I have the overall package building again and now just need to get everything back in sync | 15:12 |
| slangasek | (done) | 15:12 |
| barry | phone: LP: #1365646; LP: #1365761. LP: #1370586 (discussion & triage). tons of improvement in system-image test coverage (now at 100%, modulo bugs in coverage, and a sprinkle of pragmas). upstream si 2.4 release. s-i 2.4-0ubuntu1 in citrain. removed b-d on tox and its dependencies, so fewer MIRs to deal with. testing. | 15:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1365646 in system-image (Ubuntu) "Top Crasher: /usr/sbin/system-image-dbus:RuntimeError:_download" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1365646 | 15:13 |
| robru | sil2100: do you have a branch? it's not in trunk yet | 15:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1365761 in system-image (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/system-image-cli:PermissionError:/usr/bin/system-image-cli@9:main:last_update_date" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1365761 | 15:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1370586 in Ubuntu system image "Add synchronous method to determine if there are known updates" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1370586 | 15:13 |
| barry | debuntu: zope.schema 4.4.2-1. colorama 0.3.2-1. argvalidate (0.9.0-2 to kill off one more pysupport revdep). | 15:13 |
| barry | other: submitted two talk proposals for pycon 2015 | 15:13 |
| barry | .. | 15:13 |
| sil2100 | robru: yeah it's not as the merger rejected merging it since I switched it to 'Approved' before it ran CI | 15:13 |
| sil2100 | robru: so the merger said "Unapproved changes made after approval." | 15:14 |
| sil2100 | My push wasn't registered on time | 15:14 |
| jodh | * upstart | 15:14 |
| jodh | - trusty SRU prep for bug 1338637 and bug 901038 including detailed instructions | 15:14 |
| jodh | on bug 1338637, test case, expected results and work-around. Current plan to wait for the fix | 15:14 |
| ubottu | bug 1338637 in upstart (Ubuntu Trusty) "continuous re-exec can result in a build-up of inotify fds [SRU]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1338637 | 15:14 |
| ubottu | bug 901038 in upstart (Ubuntu) "packages fail to install: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/901038 | 15:14 |
| jodh | for 901038 to land in Utopic, wait a few days, then progress SRU. | 15:14 |
| jodh | Branch available at lp:~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/trusty/upstart/SRU-bugs-901038+1338637. | 15:14 |
| jodh | - Pre-emptively created a draft test-plan for Touch for upstart-file-bridge changes: | 15:14 |
| jodh | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/TestPlans/upstart-1.13.2 | 15:14 |
| jodh | - upstart job reviews. | 15:14 |
| jodh | - bug 1360208: Work completed. This was a relatively big change and is now fully backed | 15:14 |
| ubottu | bug 1360208 in upstart "file watcher doesn't execute if combining ~ and * in the file description" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1360208 | 15:14 |
| jodh | by new tests. Awaiting review: | 15:14 |
| jodh | https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/upstart/bug-1360208/+merge/234869 | 15:14 |
| jodh | * system image. | 15:14 |
| jodh | - Minor updates to lp:~ubuntu-foundations-team/+junk/create-ubuntu-core-image. | 15:14 |
| sil2100 | robru: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro/reintroduce_fixes/+merge/235105 <- I re-switched it again | 15:14 |
| jodh | - Working on making root r/o and creating a generic package to make specific parts of system writeable. | 15:14 |
| jodh | ਠਃ | 15:14 |
| barry | robru: re that diff. you are having too much "fun" | 15:15 |
| slangasek | uhoh, jodh has taken up ingress glyph hacking | 15:15 |
| slangasek | any questions over the above? | 15:15 |
| robru | barry: well all this "fun" was just waiting for me to find it... | 15:17 |
| robru | sil2100: ok we can try it today | 15:17 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] AOB | 15:18 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB | ||
| slangasek | anything else for today? | 15:19 |
| slangasek | (who wants to review resumes? :) | 15:19 |
| barry | slangasek: i can look at a few | 15:19 |
| cjwatson | o/ | 15:19 |
| cjwatson | (as previously mentioned) | 15:19 |
| slangasek | cool... I'll start shooting them out to folks then :) | 15:20 |
| sil2100 | Resumes? | 15:20 |
| robru | sil2100: hiring xnox's replacement | 15:20 |
| slangasek | or "CV"s if you prefer | 15:20 |
| slangasek | :) | 15:20 |
| sil2100 | ACK! | 15:21 |
| robru | slangasek: I like to call them resumes because they indicate my desire to resume working. | 15:21 |
| barry | :-D | 15:21 |
| doko | http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20140914-utopic.html | 15:21 |
| slangasek | robru: isn't the making of such bad puns on words of French origin prohibited by Canadian law? | 15:21 |
| doko | please fix these, or pester other teams ... | 15:22 |
| robru | slangasek: shhh, the language police will hear you! | 15:22 |
| slangasek | je suis le gendarme de langages, moi ! | 15:23 |
| stgraber | :) | 15:23 |
| caribou | oh, yeah barry got a minute of fame on LWN : http://lwn.net/Articles/611932/ | 15:23 |
| slangasek | barry: lol, nice quote | 15:23 |
| * barry masks the pain behind the funny | 15:24 | |
| slangasek | so yes, echoing doko's request above, let's get these build failures driven down... turning them into bugs (tagged 'ftbfs') is a good start towards making teams accountable for their failing packages :) | 15:26 |
| slangasek | #endmeeting | 15:26 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Sep 18 15:26:53 2014 UTC. | 15:26 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-09-18-15.02.moin.txt | 15:26 |
| barry | slangasek, doko what about false positives? i tried webob yesterday and it built okay for me | 15:26 |
| slangasek | enough meeting, more working! | 15:27 |
| mvo_ | yay, more working! | 15:27 |
| slangasek | barry: you should be able to trigger a retry from the links on the page | 15:27 |
| slangasek | barry: and if it still fails, then your reproducer environment is wrong? | 15:27 |
| barry | slangasek: iirc we don't have access to the retry button on those pages, but i could be mistaken about that | 15:28 |
| cjwatson | I do if you don't :) | 15:28 |
| slangasek | right | 15:28 |
| slangasek | /I/ do, and I'm not buildd-special | 15:28 |
| cjwatson | have retried python-webob | 15:28 |
| stgraber | slangasek: you are buildd-special | 15:28 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: you sure are due to techboard | 15:28 |
| slangasek | let me rephrase :) | 15:28 |
| doko | barry, I'll give it back, but a ftbfs isn't a false positive by default | 15:28 |
| slangasek | I had that button before I was TB | 15:28 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: only for things you would be able to upload | 15:29 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: which doesn't include a copy archive owned by doko | 15:29 |
| slangasek | aha | 15:29 |
| slangasek | well then :) | 15:29 |
| barry | doko: right. just meaning i built it okay locally, but anyway i'll just bug folks if i need a retry and don't have the button | 15:29 |
| * barry watches that build now | 15:29 | |
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| dholbach | hello hello | 17:00 |
| dholbach | #startmeeting | 17:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Sep 18 17:00:43 2014 UTC. The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 17:00 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 17:00 |
| dholbach | @chairs pleia2 elfy YokoZar | 17:01 |
| meetingology | dholbach: Error: "chairs" is not a valid command. | 17:01 |
| dholbach | #chairs pleia2 elfy YokoZar | 17:01 |
| dholbach | hum | 17:01 |
| elfy | mmmmmmm | 17:01 |
| dholbach | #chair pleia2 elfy YokoZar | 17:01 |
| elfy | how long for dholbach ? | 17:01 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: YokoZar dholbach elfy pleia2 | 17:01 |
| dholbach | aha! | 17:01 |
| dholbach | #topic Catching up with the IRC Council | 17:01 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Catching up with the IRC Council | ||
| dholbach | do we have anyone here from the IRC Council? :) | 17:01 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 17:02 |
| YokoZar | Hello then | 17:02 |
| pleia2 | Tm_T, Pici, hggdh, AlanBell - any of you around? | 17:04 |
| dholbach | pleia2, you were quicker - I was just looking at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-council/+members :) | 17:05 |
| pleia2 | :) | 17:05 |
| pleia2 | anyone else here from the IRC team with any thoughts, comments, concerns about the IRC team? | 17:05 |
| YokoZar | hmmm | 17:07 |
| dholbach | I just pinged folks in #ubuntu-irc | 17:07 |
| dholbach | maybe in the meantime I can bring up something different real quick | 17:07 |
| dholbach | I started the review of https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/config/planet-ubuntu/+merge/232014 | 17:07 |
| dholbach | it'd be great if anyone else could help with this as well | 17:08 |
| dholbach | just so we don't accidentally drop folks form the planet configuration | 17:08 |
| elfy | I saw that | 17:08 |
| elfy | managed a quick look - I'll be able to spend a bit of time on it tomorrow | 17:09 |
| dholbach | thanks a lot | 17:09 |
| dholbach | I'll make sure I review the rest of it as well | 17:09 |
| dholbach | it took me a while to understand that a lot of the entries were just being rearranged and not dropped entirely :) | 17:09 |
| elfy | that was where I'd come unstuck - so you saying that will help :) | 17:10 |
| YokoZar | I'll take a look today too | 17:10 |
| dholbach | brilliant, thanks | 17:11 |
| dholbach | ok... looks like nobody from the IRC team is around right now | 17:11 |
| dholbach | shall we reschedule? | 17:12 |
| YokoZar | I think so | 17:12 |
| elfy | sounds good to me | 17:12 |
| YokoZar | #topic Tardiness | 17:13 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Tardiness | ||
| hggdh | pleia2: here | 17:13 |
| elfy | that - or drop them a line and see what's up | 17:13 |
| dholbach | ah, hello hggdh! | 17:13 |
| elfy | hi hggdh :) | 17:13 |
| hggdh | dholbach: hi, long time :-) | 17:13 |
| YokoZar | #topic IRC Council catchup | 17:13 |
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| dholbach | how are you doing? | 17:13 |
| dholbach | how's life? | 17:13 |
| hggdh | elfy: cheers | 17:13 |
| hggdh | life is good, but rather busy :-). Been to Germany, but just the Bavaria | 17:14 |
| dholbach | ah nice - I'm going to be in Bavaria quite soon myself :) | 17:14 |
| dholbach | how are things in IRC land? | 17:14 |
| hggdh | seems stable. We -- the IRCC -- have been quite busy in our lives-outside-IRC. I have not seen any issues lately | 17:15 |
| hggdh | except for SamwiseGamgee fallouts | 17:16 |
| elfy | yep | 17:16 |
| elfy | I've kind of seen that in -irc logs | 17:16 |
| hggdh | do you need a summary of this case, or was my email was enough? | 17:16 |
| elfy | and he's tried the same game in the forum channel | 17:16 |
| dholbach | but all in all you feel like you coped quite well with the day to day business of ubuntu irc? | 17:16 |
| elfy | hggdh: that mail was fine for me | 17:16 |
| elfy | #chair mhall119 | 17:17 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: YokoZar dholbach elfy mhall119 pleia2 | 17:17 |
| YokoZar | Was fine too :) | 17:17 |
| hggdh | I think we still need a bit more of attention to IRC. Although things seem to have been getting better, we can still go some more | 17:17 |
| hggdh | as usual, there is always tension... | 17:18 |
| dholbach | in which areas would you recommend to pay more attention to? | 17:18 |
| hggdh | but, all in all, IRC -- to my perhaps biased view -- is better now than it was a few ago | 17:18 |
| mhall119 | I certainly haven't noticed any issues in the channels I'm in | 17:19 |
| hggdh | my personal view, not necessarily reflecting the IRCC as a whole, is that we need more rotation, more new blood coming in | 17:19 |
| hggdh | this does not mean the current ops would retire, though; it is more, not less or the same | 17:19 |
| elfy | hggdh: that's a *buntu wide thing - everyone has said more or less the same :) | 17:19 |
| dholbach | new blood in the ops team? or the council? or the wider irc community? | 17:19 |
| hggdh | new blood in ops; filling in the vacant seat in IRCC might also be good. The wider IRC community depends, heh, on the community ;-) | 17:21 |
| YokoZar | Ahh, reasonable | 17:22 |
| YokoZar | I have no idea how to recruit said blood | 17:22 |
| hggdh | I am happy with the ops we have, I just feel like giving others a chance to work for the community is warranted | 17:22 |
| hggdh | I do not know either, at least not right now; creating an effective and catalystic, ops is not simple | 17:23 |
| hggdh | but this is it, as far as I can see, for IRC | 17:23 |
| dholbach | maybe we should have an Ubuntu "job fair" :) | 17:24 |
| elfy | hggdh: so has the IRCC thought about calling for someone to fill the vacant spot? | 17:24 |
| hggdh | doesnot sound a bad idea at all | 17:24 |
| elfy | dholbach: ha ha ha | 17:24 |
| mhall119 | dholbach: that really is a good idea | 17:24 |
| hggdh | elfy: I personally have been thinking about it | 17:24 |
| dholbach | or at least an event where teams can explain what kind of folks they are looking for | 17:24 |
| hggdh | have not yet checked with the rest of the council | 17:25 |
| elfy | hggdh: ok - thanks - saved me asking :) | 17:25 |
| dholbach | mhall119, maybe we should bring it up on the ubuntu-community-team@ list :) | 17:25 |
| hggdh | dholbach: yes, and then we can expand it there | 17:25 |
| dholbach | rock and roll | 17:25 |
| elfy | hggdh: do you want to broach the subject with them - then see what happens then, if needed we could do so - but probably best if you all did | 17:25 |
| dholbach | I'll send the mail out in a bit | 17:25 |
| elfy | dholbach: good plan :) | 17:26 |
| hggdh | elfy: ack, will do | 17:26 |
| elfy | hggdh: okey doke - let us know if you need anything then | 17:26 |
| hggdh | will do. Thank you for this opportunity, and sorry for being late (got my grandson here today, and he is all hands on deck...) | 17:27 |
| dholbach | don't worry :) | 17:27 |
| elfy | indeed not :) | 17:27 |
| dholbach | it's good to hear that things are ticking along nicely | 17:27 |
| elfy | hggdh: on deck or on kbd? | 17:27 |
| hggdh | heh | 17:27 |
| hggdh | I hope I can keep him from being a kbd strip... | 17:27 |
| elfy | not got that far here- I might be old enough, but no elflets yet :) | 17:28 |
| YokoZar | :) | 17:28 |
| elfy | hggdh: lol | 17:28 |
| dholbach | hggdh, did you approve any "irc members" recently? | 17:28 |
| hggdh | dholbach: no, I have not, at least do not remember. I think Pici did | 17:28 |
| hggdh | oh | 17:28 |
| elfy | hggdh: quick question | 17:28 |
| hggdh | you mean Ubuntu members via IRC -- no, none | 17:29 |
| dholbach | yep | 17:29 |
| dholbach | ok | 17:29 |
| elfy | there are some proposed people sitting on https://launchpad.net/~irc-ubuntu-ops | 17:29 |
| hggdh | will look at them | 17:29 |
| elfy | what's going on with those? | 17:29 |
| hggdh | elfy: cannot say (which is a shorthand for "it seems I messed up somewhere") | 17:30 |
| elfy | :) | 17:30 |
| YokoZar | Ahhh | 17:30 |
| hggdh | will look at them; we just missed the IRC monthly (it would have been yesterday, I was for it, and got diverted by a work crisis) | 17:30 |
| elfy | hggdh: thanks | 17:31 |
| hggdh | so, we will figure something out | 17:31 |
| dholbach | is there anything else you feel the CC could help with? or things you feel should be looked at? | 17:32 |
| hggdh | only the empty seat, right now; we had considered, initially, that we would be able to cope but life got in the way; pretty much all are busy, so we (er, *I*) need to have this seat filled | 17:33 |
| hggdh | .. | 17:33 |
| mhall119 | hggdh: will the current IRCC members nominate somebody to fill the seat? | 17:33 |
| elfy | hggdh: so we'll leave that with you for the moment? | 17:34 |
| mhall119 | or should we have an open call for nominations? | 17:34 |
| dholbach | ok... how do we move on from here? do we just call for nominees (who sends out the call?) and follow http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing? | 17:34 |
| hggdh | mhall119: I feel we should not | 17:34 |
| hggdh | I would rather go on a request for candidates; I do not want any impression of we gaming the system | 17:35 |
| elfy | hggdh: ok - so you want to do the call and then forward them to us? | 17:37 |
| hggdh | elfy: I can. Which MLs should I target? | 17:37 |
| elfy | mmm | 17:38 |
| DalekSec | hggdh: Did you want to discuss with other IRC council members first? | 17:38 |
| mhall119 | there doesn't seem to be an irc-members ML | 17:38 |
| hggdh | DalekSec: I would rather and, in fact, *will*. But I still can take on the attribution to send out the announcement | 17:38 |
| mhall119 | there is an ubuntu-irc @lists.ubuntu.com is that used? | 17:39 |
| hggdh | mhall119: ubuntu=irc@ubuntu.com | 17:39 |
| dholbach | brilliant | 17:39 |
| hggdh | lists.ubuntu.com, even | 17:39 |
| elfy | hggdh: you could mail the fridge too | 17:39 |
| pleia2 | I'll make sure it gets posted to fridge | 17:40 |
| hggdh | ack. ubuntu-irc and fridge (with copies to CC and IRCC) | 17:40 |
| * elfy thought pleia2 would say that :p | 17:40 | |
| pleia2 | ubuntu-news-team is fridge :) | 17:40 |
| hggdh | pleia2: heh. I was not really going to pin in on my fridge ;-) | 17:41 |
| elfy | oh | 17:41 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 17:41 |
| elfy | is that *not* how you do it :( | 17:41 |
| pleia2 | hggdh's pet for IRCC | 17:41 |
| hggdh | :-D | 17:41 |
| dholbach | any more questions for hggdh and the IRC Council? | 17:43 |
| hggdh | so. I will start with an internal poll; I will either update the CC with the results of the poll (meaning the IRCC does not agree with me), or send out a RFC to ubuntu-irc, ubuntu-news-team, copies to CC and IRCC | 17:43 |
| mhall119 | none from me | 17:43 |
| mhall119 | thanks hggdh | 17:43 |
| hggdh | you are all welcome. I am sorry for the lateness | 17:44 |
| elfy | hggdh: you're welcome and excused :) | 17:44 |
| elfy | thanks for your time | 17:44 |
| hggdh | thank you all for yours :-) | 17:44 |
| YokoZar | Thank you everyone | 17:44 |
| dholbach | thanks a lot! | 17:44 |
| dholbach | #topic Any other business | 17:44 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Any other business | ||
| pleia2 | nothing from me | 17:45 |
| dholbach | same here, planet config was the only bit I had | 17:45 |
| dholbach | anyone else? | 17:45 |
| YokoZar | nope | 17:45 |
| elfy | not from me | 17:45 |
| dholbach | all right... in that case... | 17:46 |
| dholbach | #endmeeting | 17:46 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Sep 18 17:46:34 2014 UTC. | 17:46 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-09-18-17.00.moin.txt | 17:46 |
| dholbach | thanks everyone! | 17:46 |
| elfy | thanks dholbach | 17:46 |
| dholbach | have a great rest of your day! :) | 17:47 |
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