=== chiluk` is now known as chiluk === jasonjang_ is now known as jasonjang === jasonjang_ is now known as jasonjang === Zic is now known as Guest68979 === Guest68979 is now known as Zic === psivaa_ is now known as psivaa === jasonjang_ is now known as jasonjang [15:00] o/ [15:00] \o [15:00] o/ [15:00] \o [15:00] o/ [15:00] * slangasek waves [15:00] bah, you broke the chain [15:00] * barry thinks maybe it should be more like ~o~ [15:00] hi [15:00] \o [15:01] /o\ [15:02] #startmeeting [15:02] Meeting started Thu Sep 18 15:02:24 2014 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:02] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [15:02] [TOPIC] Lightning round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Lightning round [15:02] $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek cjwatson caribou infinity mvo bhuey sil2100 robru) [15:02] infinity sil2100 doko stgraber caribou cjwatson bhuey bdmurray mvo robru slangasek barry jodh [15:02] no infinity here currently [15:02] sil2100: [15:03] ACK [15:03] - Landing team work, preparing landing e-mails [15:03] - Coordinating the promotion of ubuntu and ubuntu-rtm channels [15:03] - CI Train maintenance and features: [15:03] * Preparing the switch to doing binary copies in synces [15:03] * Adding flag giving the option not to append the ~rtm to the version for ubuntu-rtm [15:03] * Fixing some publish job issues [15:03] * First try on fixing the watch-ppa problem with sync silos [15:03] * Tweaking CI Train to properly handle silo synces (sync:x) in both ways [15:03] - Repartitioning and updating my krillin [15:03] - Creating the base version of TouchChannels wiki page [15:03] - Discussions regarding new landing schemes, landing enhancements etc. [15:03] - Ubuntu Engineering Live! [15:03] - First look into the CI Train Dashboard code in preparation for some changes [15:03] - Quick fix for the spreadsheet to list image numbers for more than just mako [15:03] - Working on preparing another list of missing packages not synced to ubuntu-rtm [15:03] - More additions to the Issue Tracker, still under testing [15:03] (done) [15:04] - trusty test rebuilds (release, updates and security) [15:04] - utopic test rebuilds (main only). PLEASE FIX the ftbfs ... [15:04] - currently at Linaro Connect [15:04] - ibm java upload (finally) [15:04] (done) [15:04] - Quite a bunch of internal meetings and working on internal projects and [15:04] documentation, so still not much I can share, sorry. [15:04] - Some LXC code reviews and related discussions. [15:04] - Did some FFe reviews. [15:04] - Some system-image config updates for RTM. [15:04] - Uploaded ubiquity fixing that Windows UEFI bug I mentioned last week. [15:04] - Some admin work for Linux Plumbers, we're getting close! [15:04] (DONE) [15:04] * working toward sosreport 3.2 release [15:05] * Degraded mode issue with grub when localized in french : [15:05] - SRU for bug #1073108 in just one day. thanks to cjwatson [15:05] bug 1073108 in grub2 (Ubuntu Precise) "grub-pc fails to boot (system resets after GRUB prompt) on degraded RAID" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1073108 [15:05] * New uptream makedumpfile release : 1.5.7 - Used the opportunity to release the new networked kdump functionality - My first official DM upload [15:05] (done) [15:05] Emergency PackageKit fix prompted by a linkage change in apt. [15:05] click: [15:05] - Working on new D-Bus service to replace our use of PackageKit. Took a while to get hold of the connected username but Martin Pitt eventually dug me out of my misunderstanding. [15:05] - I have the service running now; just need to write the client side. [15:05] - Minor fix to "click info" to cope with getting manifests from files that don't end with .click, which shouldn't be required for installation. [15:05] Kept up with all sorts of miniature fires in ubuntu-rtm, image building, etc. [15:05] Trying to work out how best to get add-apt-repository working on ubuntu-rtm, which requires a bit more than what's in software-properties/utopic now. I have most of a possible approach but awaiting feedback from Michael when he has time. [15:05] Reviewed/sponsored fixes for bug 1362752 and bug 1073108. [15:05] bug 1362752 in Kubuntu PPA "no SDDM autologin even if ubiquity box is set" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1362752 [15:05] On the side, worked on a new man-db release. Ordering file accesses by their first physical extent (idea from dpkg) makes mandb run about three times faster on rotational disks! [15:05] .. [15:06] cjwatson: what linkage change what that? I don't think this was intended … :/ [15:06] Oh, also, I'm off on Monday visiting family. [15:07] mvo_: I don't think it was apt's fault which is why I didn't complain at you - just a side-effect of an otherwise innocent change. [15:07] mvo_: https://github.com/hughsie/PackageKit/pull/11 has the details [15:07] heh, thanks [15:07] slangasek: no bill? [15:07] seems not [15:07] bdmurray: you're up then [15:07] pushed daisy change not to write ProcMaps for resume from suspend failures [15:07] updated daisy to retry failed to retrace armhf crashes [15:08] updated daisy not to retrace crashes with "[origin: " in Package [15:08] investigation into retracer slowness (seems to be associated with apport r2854) [15:08] reported apport bug 1370230 regarding apport-retrace being slower [15:08] bug 1370230 in Apport "apport-retrace has become slower" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1370230 [15:08] working with thedac to test staging cassandra and cleanup excess data [15:08] bhuey: let us know if/when you're here [15:08] attended cassandra summit 2014 [15:08] modified phased-updater to use changes file to find email addresses if they have hidden their address in launchpad [15:08] documented a test case for bug 1353171 [15:08] bug 1353171 in apt (Ubuntu Trusty) "Misparses dpkg status line, fails to write apport reports" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1353171 [15:08] reported ubuntu-release-upgrader bug 1370243 [15:08] bug 1370243 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Utopic) "do-release-upgrade causing tracebacks with no_longer_supported string" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1370243 [15:08] overrode false regression regarding ubuntu-release-upgrader [15:08] slangasek: ok [15:08] mvo_: (that kFreeBSD-related change meant that libapt-pkg no longer uses forkpty, which means that it no longer links against anything in -lutil, so the linker drops it) [15:08] updated arsenal code to fix roaksoax issues also helped him write a report [15:08] worked with manjo regarding flash-kernel SRU bug report [15:08] review of xnox's improving whoopsie ID stability work [15:08] tried to build whoopsie and resolve a dbus test failure [15:08] wrote a greasemonkey script to help slangasek review employee candidates [15:08] arranged travel to Devices Sprint in October [15:08] mvo_: (I mean openpty) [15:08] cjwatson: yeah, once I saw your diff I figured it out [15:08] ✔ done [15:08] apt: [15:08] - Big security update (CVE-2014-0487, CVE-2014-0488, CVE-2014-0489, [15:08] CVE-2014-0490) [15:08] - Hunt/fix regression from last security update (#1371058, bts #762079) [15:08] - Work on update improvements [15:08] - Debug/fix proxy-override bug #759264 [15:08] This week [15:08] -TCK compiler test suite is running with only a few errors [15:08] -TCK devtools test suite runs without failures. About 21000 tests for both suites [15:08] click: [15:08] ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-0487) [15:08] -learn about the TCK configuration file and how to add environment variables and shell [15:09] - Work on acquire support (lp:~mvo/click/acquire) [15:09] ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-0488) [15:09] using the apt methods, udm plugin and pycurl plugin [15:09] -read a few small documents about ubuntu/debian packaging [15:09] - Work on click hook for $PATH support for cli apps [15:09] (lp:~mvo/click/click-bin-path) [15:09] ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-0489) [15:09] - Work on "repository" support for click, i.e. the click store for now [15:09] to query and see updates (lp:~mvo/click/repository) [15:09] ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-0490) [15:09] bug 759264 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759264 [15:09] - Review lp:~cjwatson/click/system-hook-gc/+merge/234456 [15:09] - Server image work/discussion [15:09] misc: [15:09] - help analyzing image size: [15:09] lp:~mvo/+junk/naive-remover (not that naive anymore) [15:09] - look at pkgbinarymangler bug #1072297 without much success [15:09] (done) [15:09] bug 1072297 in pkgbinarymangler (Ubuntu) ""Installed-Size" field in most of Ubuntu packages from the main section is incorrect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1072297 [15:09] TCK devtools> nice! how horrible was it to get that far? [15:09] (done) [15:09] one sec [15:10] sorry for posting with bad timing [15:10] * CI Train [15:10] - pep8 & pyflakes cleanup for cupstream2distro/ dir [15:10] - eliminate some copypasta from prepare_silo.py [15:10] - broke a logical unit out of main() into a new function with tests [15:10] - found a reimplementatin of set.discard and deleted it in favor of using set.discard [15:10] - increased the logging in the build job to try and troubleshoot the issue where it reports successful builds immediately without actually scanning the PPA. still no luck on a solution there though [15:10] - total overhaul of prepare_silo_using_spreadsheet_info.py with tests [15:10] - Fixed or deleted the remaining skipped tests -- no more skipped tests! [15:10] - deleted a ton of unused code [15:10] - transformed citrain/ dir into a real python module so eg. if one script needs to call another script, they can import and call each other in a tidy pythonic way, rather than shelling out to invoke each other. [15:10] - (plus ten million landings) [15:10] (done) [15:11] robru: "found a reimplementatin of set.discard and deleted it" wow [15:11] barry: you have no idea [15:12] heh :) [15:12] barry: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/cupstream2distro/revision/734#cupstream2distro/packageinppamanager.py [15:12] robru: the watch-ppa thing is fixed now [15:12] * analysis of the phone images for low-hanging fruit to remove (thanks, mvo!); will be unseeding some fonts that are directly seeded and shouldn't be [15:12] * started a biweekly landing team meeting to dig further into topics that don't fit in the daily stand-ups [15:12] * TI partner package reviews: there are a lot of them again for another round, look for some of these reviews to be distributed [15:12] * next Wednesday, out for a business meeting with a partner in Seattle [15:12] * archive rebuild: working through the cross-toolchain packages, the packaging is an out-of-sync mess but I have the overall package building again and now just need to get everything back in sync [15:12] (done) [15:13] phone: LP: #1365646; LP: #1365761. LP: #1370586 (discussion & triage). tons of improvement in system-image test coverage (now at 100%, modulo bugs in coverage, and a sprinkle of pragmas). upstream si 2.4 release. s-i 2.4-0ubuntu1 in citrain. removed b-d on tox and its dependencies, so fewer MIRs to deal with. testing. [15:13] Launchpad bug 1365646 in system-image (Ubuntu) "Top Crasher: /usr/sbin/system-image-dbus:RuntimeError:_download" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1365646 [15:13] sil2100: do you have a branch? it's not in trunk yet [15:13] Launchpad bug 1365761 in system-image (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/system-image-cli:PermissionError:/usr/bin/system-image-cli@9:main:last_update_date" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1365761 [15:13] Launchpad bug 1370586 in Ubuntu system image "Add synchronous method to determine if there are known updates" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1370586 [15:13] debuntu: zope.schema 4.4.2-1. colorama 0.3.2-1. argvalidate (0.9.0-2 to kill off one more pysupport revdep). [15:13] other: submitted two talk proposals for pycon 2015 [15:13] .. [15:13] robru: yeah it's not as the merger rejected merging it since I switched it to 'Approved' before it ran CI [15:14] robru: so the merger said "Unapproved changes made after approval." [15:14] My push wasn't registered on time [15:14] * upstart [15:14] - trusty SRU prep for bug 1338637 and bug 901038 including detailed instructions [15:14] on bug 1338637, test case, expected results and work-around. Current plan to wait for the fix [15:14] bug 1338637 in upstart (Ubuntu Trusty) "continuous re-exec can result in a build-up of inotify fds [SRU]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1338637 [15:14] bug 901038 in upstart (Ubuntu) "packages fail to install: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/901038 [15:14] for 901038 to land in Utopic, wait a few days, then progress SRU. [15:14] Branch available at lp:~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/trusty/upstart/SRU-bugs-901038+1338637. [15:14] - Pre-emptively created a draft test-plan for Touch for upstart-file-bridge changes: [15:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/TestPlans/upstart-1.13.2 [15:14] - upstart job reviews. [15:14] - bug 1360208: Work completed. This was a relatively big change and is now fully backed [15:14] bug 1360208 in upstart "file watcher doesn't execute if combining ~ and * in the file description" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1360208 [15:14] by new tests. Awaiting review: [15:14] https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/upstart/bug-1360208/+merge/234869 [15:14] * system image. [15:14] - Minor updates to lp:~ubuntu-foundations-team/+junk/create-ubuntu-core-image. [15:14] robru: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro/reintroduce_fixes/+merge/235105 <- I re-switched it again [15:14] - Working on making root r/o and creating a generic package to make specific parts of system writeable. [15:14] ਠਃ [15:15] robru: re that diff. you are having too much "fun" [15:15] uhoh, jodh has taken up ingress glyph hacking [15:15] any questions over the above? [15:17] barry: well all this "fun" was just waiting for me to find it... [15:17] sil2100: ok we can try it today [15:18] [TOPIC] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [15:19] anything else for today? [15:19] (who wants to review resumes? :) [15:19] slangasek: i can look at a few [15:19] o/ [15:19] (as previously mentioned) [15:20] cool... I'll start shooting them out to folks then :) [15:20] Resumes? [15:20] sil2100: hiring xnox's replacement [15:20] or "CV"s if you prefer [15:20] :) [15:21] ACK! [15:21] slangasek: I like to call them resumes because they indicate my desire to resume working. [15:21] :-D [15:21] http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20140914-utopic.html [15:21] robru: isn't the making of such bad puns on words of French origin prohibited by Canadian law? [15:22] please fix these, or pester other teams ... [15:22] slangasek: shhh, the language police will hear you! [15:23] je suis le gendarme de langages, moi ! [15:23] :) [15:23] oh, yeah barry got a minute of fame on LWN : http://lwn.net/Articles/611932/ [15:23] barry: lol, nice quote [15:24] * barry masks the pain behind the funny [15:26] so yes, echoing doko's request above, let's get these build failures driven down... turning them into bugs (tagged 'ftbfs') is a good start towards making teams accountable for their failing packages :) [15:26] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:26] Meeting ended Thu Sep 18 15:26:53 2014 UTC. [15:26] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-09-18-15.02.moin.txt [15:26] slangasek, doko what about false positives? i tried webob yesterday and it built okay for me [15:27] enough meeting, more working! [15:27] yay, more working! [15:27] barry: you should be able to trigger a retry from the links on the page [15:27] barry: and if it still fails, then your reproducer environment is wrong? [15:28] slangasek: iirc we don't have access to the retry button on those pages, but i could be mistaken about that [15:28] I do if you don't :) [15:28] right [15:28] /I/ do, and I'm not buildd-special [15:28] have retried python-webob [15:28] slangasek: you are buildd-special [15:28] slangasek: you sure are due to techboard [15:28] let me rephrase :) [15:28] barry, I'll give it back, but a ftbfs isn't a false positive by default [15:28] I had that button before I was TB [15:29] slangasek: only for things you would be able to upload [15:29] slangasek: which doesn't include a copy archive owned by doko [15:29] aha [15:29] well then :) [15:29] doko: right. just meaning i built it okay locally, but anyway i'll just bug folks if i need a retry and don't have the button [15:29] * barry watches that build now === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === victorp_ is now known as victorp [17:00] hello hello [17:00] #startmeeting [17:00] Meeting started Thu Sep 18 17:00:43 2014 UTC. The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [17:01] @chairs pleia2 elfy YokoZar [17:01] dholbach: Error: "chairs" is not a valid command. [17:01] #chairs pleia2 elfy YokoZar [17:01] hum [17:01] mmmmmmm [17:01] #chair pleia2 elfy YokoZar [17:01] how long for dholbach ? [17:01] Current chairs: YokoZar dholbach elfy pleia2 [17:01] aha! [17:01] #topic Catching up with the IRC Council === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Catching up with the IRC Council [17:01] do we have anyone here from the IRC Council? :) [17:02] o/ [17:02] Hello then [17:04] Tm_T, Pici, hggdh, AlanBell - any of you around? [17:05] pleia2, you were quicker - I was just looking at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-council/+members :) [17:05] :) [17:05] anyone else here from the IRC team with any thoughts, comments, concerns about the IRC team? [17:07] hmmm [17:07] I just pinged folks in #ubuntu-irc [17:07] maybe in the meantime I can bring up something different real quick [17:07] I started the review of https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/config/planet-ubuntu/+merge/232014 [17:08] it'd be great if anyone else could help with this as well [17:08] just so we don't accidentally drop folks form the planet configuration [17:08] I saw that [17:09] managed a quick look - I'll be able to spend a bit of time on it tomorrow [17:09] thanks a lot [17:09] I'll make sure I review the rest of it as well [17:09] it took me a while to understand that a lot of the entries were just being rearranged and not dropped entirely :) [17:10] that was where I'd come unstuck - so you saying that will help :) [17:10] I'll take a look today too [17:11] brilliant, thanks [17:11] ok... looks like nobody from the IRC team is around right now [17:12] shall we reschedule? [17:12] I think so [17:12] sounds good to me [17:13] #topic Tardiness === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Tardiness [17:13] pleia2: here [17:13] that - or drop them a line and see what's up [17:13] ah, hello hggdh! [17:13] hi hggdh :) [17:13] dholbach: hi, long time :-) [17:13] #topic IRC Council catchup === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: IRC Council catchup [17:13] how are you doing? [17:13] how's life? [17:13] elfy: cheers [17:14] life is good, but rather busy :-). Been to Germany, but just the Bavaria [17:14] ah nice - I'm going to be in Bavaria quite soon myself :) [17:14] how are things in IRC land? [17:15] seems stable. We -- the IRCC -- have been quite busy in our lives-outside-IRC. I have not seen any issues lately [17:16] except for SamwiseGamgee fallouts [17:16] yep [17:16] I've kind of seen that in -irc logs [17:16] do you need a summary of this case, or was my email was enough? [17:16] and he's tried the same game in the forum channel [17:16] but all in all you feel like you coped quite well with the day to day business of ubuntu irc? [17:16] hggdh: that mail was fine for me [17:17] #chair mhall119 [17:17] Current chairs: YokoZar dholbach elfy mhall119 pleia2 [17:17] Was fine too :) [17:17] I think we still need a bit more of attention to IRC. Although things seem to have been getting better, we can still go some more [17:18] as usual, there is always tension... [17:18] in which areas would you recommend to pay more attention to? [17:18] but, all in all, IRC -- to my perhaps biased view -- is better now than it was a few ago [17:19] I certainly haven't noticed any issues in the channels I'm in [17:19] my personal view, not necessarily reflecting the IRCC as a whole, is that we need more rotation, more new blood coming in [17:19] this does not mean the current ops would retire, though; it is more, not less or the same [17:19] hggdh: that's a *buntu wide thing - everyone has said more or less the same :) [17:19] new blood in the ops team? or the council? or the wider irc community? [17:21] new blood in ops; filling in the vacant seat in IRCC might also be good. The wider IRC community depends, heh, on the community ;-) [17:22] Ahh, reasonable [17:22] I have no idea how to recruit said blood [17:22] I am happy with the ops we have, I just feel like giving others a chance to work for the community is warranted [17:23] I do not know either, at least not right now; creating an effective and catalystic, ops is not simple [17:23] but this is it, as far as I can see, for IRC [17:24] maybe we should have an Ubuntu "job fair" :) [17:24] hggdh: so has the IRCC thought about calling for someone to fill the vacant spot? [17:24] doesnot sound a bad idea at all [17:24] dholbach: ha ha ha [17:24] dholbach: that really is a good idea [17:24] elfy: I personally have been thinking about it [17:24] or at least an event where teams can explain what kind of folks they are looking for [17:25] have not yet checked with the rest of the council [17:25] hggdh: ok - thanks - saved me asking :) [17:25] mhall119, maybe we should bring it up on the ubuntu-community-team@ list :) [17:25] dholbach: yes, and then we can expand it there [17:25] rock and roll [17:25] hggdh: do you want to broach the subject with them - then see what happens then, if needed we could do so - but probably best if you all did [17:25] I'll send the mail out in a bit [17:26] dholbach: good plan :) [17:26] elfy: ack, will do [17:26] hggdh: okey doke - let us know if you need anything then [17:27] will do. Thank you for this opportunity, and sorry for being late (got my grandson here today, and he is all hands on deck...) [17:27] don't worry :) [17:27] indeed not :) [17:27] it's good to hear that things are ticking along nicely [17:27] hggdh: on deck or on kbd? [17:27] heh [17:27] I hope I can keep him from being a kbd strip... [17:28] not got that far here- I might be old enough, but no elflets yet :) [17:28] :) [17:28] hggdh: lol [17:28] hggdh, did you approve any "irc members" recently? [17:28] dholbach: no, I have not, at least do not remember. I think Pici did [17:28] oh [17:28] hggdh: quick question [17:29] you mean Ubuntu members via IRC -- no, none [17:29] yep [17:29] ok [17:29] there are some proposed people sitting on https://launchpad.net/~irc-ubuntu-ops [17:29] will look at them [17:29] what's going on with those? [17:30] elfy: cannot say (which is a shorthand for "it seems I messed up somewhere") [17:30] :) [17:30] Ahhh [17:30] will look at them; we just missed the IRC monthly (it would have been yesterday, I was for it, and got diverted by a work crisis) [17:31] hggdh: thanks [17:31] so, we will figure something out [17:32] is there anything else you feel the CC could help with? or things you feel should be looked at? [17:33] only the empty seat, right now; we had considered, initially, that we would be able to cope but life got in the way; pretty much all are busy, so we (er, *I*) need to have this seat filled [17:33] .. [17:33] hggdh: will the current IRCC members nominate somebody to fill the seat? [17:34] hggdh: so we'll leave that with you for the moment? [17:34] or should we have an open call for nominations? [17:34] ok... how do we move on from here? do we just call for nominees (who sends out the call?) and follow http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing? [17:34] mhall119: I feel we should not [17:35] I would rather go on a request for candidates; I do not want any impression of we gaming the system [17:37] hggdh: ok - so you want to do the call and then forward them to us? [17:37] elfy: I can. Which MLs should I target? [17:38] mmm [17:38] hggdh: Did you want to discuss with other IRC council members first? [17:38] there doesn't seem to be an irc-members ML [17:38] DalekSec: I would rather and, in fact, *will*. But I still can take on the attribution to send out the announcement [17:39] there is an ubuntu-irc @lists.ubuntu.com is that used? [17:39] mhall119: ubuntu=irc@ubuntu.com [17:39] brilliant [17:39] lists.ubuntu.com, even [17:39] hggdh: you could mail the fridge too [17:40] I'll make sure it gets posted to fridge [17:40] ack. ubuntu-irc and fridge (with copies to CC and IRCC) [17:40] * elfy thought pleia2 would say that :p [17:40] ubuntu-news-team is fridge :) [17:41] pleia2: heh. I was not really going to pin in on my fridge ;-) [17:41] oh [17:41] hehe [17:41] is that *not* how you do it :( [17:41] hggdh's pet for IRCC [17:41] :-D [17:43] any more questions for hggdh and the IRC Council? [17:43] so. I will start with an internal poll; I will either update the CC with the results of the poll (meaning the IRCC does not agree with me), or send out a RFC to ubuntu-irc, ubuntu-news-team, copies to CC and IRCC [17:43] none from me [17:43] thanks hggdh [17:44] you are all welcome. I am sorry for the lateness [17:44] hggdh: you're welcome and excused :) [17:44] thanks for your time [17:44] thank you all for yours :-) [17:44] Thank you everyone [17:44] thanks a lot! [17:44] #topic Any other business === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Any other business [17:45] nothing from me [17:45]