[00:52] <cwayne> jdstrand: ping
[02:49] <jdstrand> cwayne: yeah, I saw something weird and am trying to figure out what it is. I may want to do an upload to fix it
[02:49] <jdstrand> cwayne: sorry, I should have mentioned that sooner
[05:10] <Jack_> Anyone There
[06:26] <nhaines> I can't remember now... is there a way to switch channels (from devel to devel-proposed, for instance) on the device itself via CLI?
[06:51] <popey> nhaines: system-image-cli can do that
[06:53] <nhaines> popey: thanks.  I'm trying to decide whether to run devel or ubuntu-rtm/14.09 on my Nexus 5.
[06:59] <dholbach> good morning
[06:59] <nhaines> dholbach: good morning!
[07:00] <dholbach> hi nhaines
[07:00] <nhaines> dholbach: I was just pondering what channel of Ubuntu to run on my N5.  :)
[07:01] <popey> nhaines: I'd ask dobey what he runs on his
[07:02] <nhaines> popey: sounds good.  rtm seems fine but has no scopes and no promotion yet.  I was running devel-proposed but since I'm going to reflash anyway, may as well get a second opinion.  :)
[07:03] <nhaines> dobey: what's the best channel to be running on a N5?
[08:04] <asac> i had my n4 on devel-proposed ringing some form of alarm without a notification that i could use to it off and i had to power it off to get rid of it. is there a bug open for that?
[08:05] <nhaines> Sounds like a timesaver.  Think of all the time looking for the snooze button you won't waste.
[08:06] <ogra_> asac, iirc we had that before but it was fixed ... cant remember any bug number though ... perhaps popey or davmor2 can
[08:06] <asac> nhaines: lol. well, it didnt stop ringing :). was not very effective while i was fighting it mentally hoping for it to stop :P
[08:06] <nhaines> asac: it definitely got your attention though.  :)
[08:06] <asac> hehe
[08:06] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Respect Day! :-D
[08:11] <popey> asac: sounds like the one where the notification is behind stuff, and if you stab repeatedly where the notification would be, it does dismiss it
[08:12] <asac> popey: really? a phantom bubble? nice :). will try next time
[08:12] <asac> popey: do you know the bug id?
[08:18] <popey> asac: lemme try and find it
[08:41] <Mirv> tsdgeos: in case you want to give the rtm silo a whirl, https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu-rtm/landing-006 is ready and I estimate getting the (general) testing done today, after which it'll go to QA.
[08:41] <tsdgeos> cool
[08:44] <lool> folks, is there a workaroudn for flashing without --wipe failing on mako?
[08:44] <lool> adb push tells me there isn't enough free space in recovery
[08:45] <ogra_> check /cache/recovery and clean it if needed
[08:45] <lool> there seemed to be only device bits there
[08:46] <lool> I'll try again
[08:49] <davmor2> lool: you can open the mako tarball grab the recovery bit and flash that bit with fastboot and definitely have a clean recovery and then flash with u-d-f
[08:52] <lool> /dev/disk/by-partlabel/cache    552M  9,8M  542M   2% /android/cache
[08:53] <lool> we'll see how that goes, but all files seemed to be relevant
[09:31] <nhaines> Ooh, I found a bug in the welcome wizard.
[09:32] <nhaines> On the "Set lock security", if I open the dropdown for "PIN code", but tap on the entry field for the entry, it goes all pear-shaped.
[09:32] <nhaines> The dropdown doesn't close.
[10:21] <Wellark> mpt: correct. it should be non-editable
[10:22] <mpt> Wellark, I was confused by the toolkit: it looks editable but it isn’t (reported bug 1370571)
[10:26] <Wellark> mpt: ok. does not come as a total surprise :)
[10:34] <Wellark> mpt: quick workaround would be to change the text field to a label
[10:34] <mpt> Wellark, I think that would be a net improvement, even though it would mean the number was uncopyable for now
[10:35] <mpt> (As it is, copying the number is pretty fiddly to do anyway)
[11:38] <lool> I'm getting this on apt-get update on mako / 14.09-proposed:
[11:38] <lool> W: Impossible de récupérer http://derived.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu-rtm/dists/14.09-security/restricted/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[11:38] <lool> looks like sources.list is broken
[11:39] <lool> or the archive
[11:47] <nik90> ogra_: is --channel=ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 the correct channel for rtm stable
[11:47] <ogra_> yup
[11:47] <nik90> cool thnx
[12:22] <Chipaca> mpt: could you (and if not you, who) give any additional input on bug 1371081 please?
[12:30] <mpt> Chipaca, done
[12:30] <Chipaca> mpt: thanks
[12:30] <Chipaca> Saviq: are you still on vacation?
[12:36] <cwayne> jdstrand: hey so i was seeing the precompiled cache in /custom being different from what ended up in /var/cache/apparmor, is that the weirdness you were seeing?
[12:37] <jdstrand> different how?
[12:37] <cwayne> jdstrand: i don't know, diff just said the binaries differed
[12:37] <cwayne> so it seems like theyre not being copied over on first boot
[12:37] <cwayne> if i remove the ones from /var and then reboot they *are* copied over
[12:38] <cwayne> so im wondering if start on starting apparmor wasn't early enough?
[12:38] <cwayne> and the first boot still took forever, so it was definitely still compiling them instead of copying over
[12:38] <jdstrand> do you cwayne that is probably the -u of cp kicking in
[12:38] <jdstrand> mey
[12:38] <jdstrand> that is probably the -u of cp kicking in
[12:39] <cwayne> jdstrand: but the destination file should be missing at that point
[12:39] <jdstrand> cwayne: not if the image had booted
[12:40] <cwayne> jdstrand: but it hadn't, this was on first boot
[12:40] <jdstrand> was this a fresh wipe or was there still stuff in /var/lib/apparmor
[12:40] <cwayne> jdstrand: fresh wipe
[12:41] <jdstrand> what is the output of 'stat /var/cache/apparmor/*' and 'stat /custom/cache/*'
[12:42] <jdstrand> (and no, this isn't the weirdness)
[12:42] <jdstrand> also, define 'forever'
[12:42] <cwayne> jdstrand: like a minute or so, long enough to tell it was compiling :)
[12:42] <jdstrand> 2 minutes, 10 minutes, ...
[12:42] <jdstrand> I see
[12:43] <cwayne> jdstrand: let me do a fresh wipe again, and ill get you the output of those stat calls
[12:44] <jdstrand> I feel like maybe the upstart job is short-circuiting
[12:44] <om26er> jdstrand, Hi! I believe you work on trust-stored-skeleton ?
[12:44] <jdstrand> om26er: I did not
[12:45] <asac> om26er: tvoss is the owner afaik
[12:45] <tvoss> om26er, yup, how can I help?
[12:46] <om26er> tvoss, Hi! during image testing I have found the camera-app to not start sometimes, at that time there is this crash bug 1371071
[12:46] <om26er> jdstrand, ok, I found the owner :)
[12:46] <om26er> asac, thanks
[12:47] <mailyaseen> popey : hi
[12:48] <tvoss> om26er, known, duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/trust-store/+bug/1370444
[12:48] <tvoss> om26er, however, the camera should still start
[12:48] <om26er> tvoss, the camera process did start but the UI was stuck at launching
[12:49] <Wellark> Mirv, mzanetti: do you guys know if anyone has experience in doing QML offscreen rendering?
[12:49] <mzanetti> Wellark: what you want to do?
[12:49] <Wellark> Mirv: kaitsu from nomovok had back in the day when Scenegraph was still called Lighthouse :)
[12:50] <Wellark> mzanetti: I need to do a quick PoC on how to bring unity8 indicators to unity7
[12:50] <Wellark> basically the idea is to render the indicators offscreen to a GL buffer
[12:50] <Wellark> and then have unity7 show the buffer and relay the mouse events
[12:50] <Wellark> it's totally doable
[12:50] <Wellark> I've seen it done before
[12:51] <mzanetti> hmm... greyback maybe
[12:51] <Wellark> just wondering if anyone would have any prior experience on actually doing it
[12:51] <Wellark> so that I don't have to figure out the shape of the wheel from zero'
[12:51] <tvoss> om26er, okay, probably best to file against camera
[12:51] <popey> mailyaseen: yo
[12:51] <Wellark> greyback: my man? --^ :)
[12:51] <mzanetti> Wellark: aren't you working on the SIM pin stuff any more?
[12:51] <Wellark> mzanetti: sure. I am
[12:51] <Wellark> mzanetti: this is my hobby
[12:51] <Wellark> just wanted to ask
[12:52] <Wellark> some preparations for the client sprint
[12:52] <Wellark> mzanetti: I'm working on this on my spare time
[12:52] <mailyaseen> popey: wat is the password, for exploring root files in file manager..
[12:52] <popey> mailyaseen: whatever you set it to in system settings
[12:52] <mzanetti> Wellark: yeah, try greyback... He's done the most with the rendering stuff
[12:52] <om26er> tvoss, will do.
[12:52] <mailyaseen> popey : i tried, ubuntu and phablet... but are not working
[12:52] <popey> mailyaseen: the pin unlock code
[12:53] <popey> mailyaseen: is this in the emulator? if so, try 0000
[12:53] <mailyaseen> popey : okay.. Thank you
[12:53] <tvoss> om26er, thanks
[12:53] <Wellark> popey: the password is the "passcode" you set in the startup wizard
[12:54] <Wellark> pin unlock code is for the SIM
[12:54] <Wellark> alhtough I don't know if it's already "fixed" everywhere
[12:54] <popey> Wellark:uh
[12:54] <popey> we dont have SIM unlock codes here ☻
[12:54] <Wellark> popey: you might not have
[12:54] <popey> and yeah, okay, passcode / pin / potato / potato
[12:54] <Wellark> but the civilized world does :)
[12:54] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[12:55] <Wellark> popey: there is a long bug thread about this
[12:55] <popey> indeed
[12:55] <Wellark> where we actual Europeans tried to convince the UK minded designers that it's a _bad_ idea to call the device passcode "PIN" :)
[12:55] <popey> Wellark: I'm not the one asking, mailyaseen is
[12:56] <popey> I agreed.
[12:56] <popey> Preaching to the converted here ☻
[12:56] <Wellark> popey: btw, will UK change it's name to "Almost United Kingdoms" if Scotland goes on with the madness and breaks off ?
[12:56] <popey> haha
[12:57] <Wellark> don't those people realize what economical and geo political suicide that is...
[12:57] <popey> seems a very close vote
[12:57] <popey> 51/49 by most reckonings
[12:57] <Wellark> same goes for the rest of the UK, btw
[12:57] <Wellark> with the talks of breaking off from the EU
[12:57]  * popey sets up the Glorious Nation of Popey
[12:57] <Wellark> good luck herding those sheeps after that
[12:58] <Wellark> as it's about the only viable living the people in the UK can do after breaking off EU
[12:58] <Wellark> back to the dark ages1
[12:58] <Wellark> ok, maybe my world politics trolling limit is now reached for today
[12:58] <mailyaseen> popey : its password is same as pincode used to unlock the mobile/screen.. :)
[12:59] <Wellark> popey: let's continue in Washington over a barrel of bear :)
[12:59] <pindonga> fg
[12:59] <Wellark> mailyaseen: yes.
[12:59] <popey> ☻
[12:59] <Chipaca> mpt: do you know if there is design as to what to do if the popup is suppressed?
[12:59] <Wellark> mailyaseen: it's the same you have to enter each time you want to unlock the greeter
[12:59] <Wellark> Chipaca: which popup?
[13:00] <mailyaseen> Weelark : correct.. :) i am able to explore to the root
[13:00] <mailyaseen> Wellark / popey : where can i located the files which i had stored in android?
[13:00] <popey> no idea, I dont use android
[13:00]  * Wellark feels very concerned that we have a user unix password set as four digits
[13:01]  * Wellark wonders what is the size of the dictinary that would contain all of the precomputed hashes..
[13:01] <Wellark> mailyaseen: I'm not 100% sure
[13:01] <Wellark> but look under /userdata/
[13:01] <Wellark> if I remember correctly the android files are under
[13:01] <mailyaseen> Wellark : let me check out.. :)
[13:01] <Wellark> /userdata/0/
[13:01] <Wellark> or /userdata/0/0
[13:01] <Wellark> or something like that
[13:02] <Chipaca> mpt: ah, just seen your response. responding.
[13:02] <Wellark> mailyaseen: if you can't find them
[13:02] <Wellark> mailyaseen: but you remember you had a file "foo bar something maybe.pdf"
[13:02] <Wellark> you can do
[13:02] <Wellark> cd /
[13:02] <Wellark> find . |grep -i omething
[13:03] <Wellark> if you just remember at least part of the name
[13:03] <Chipaca> MacSlow: mpt: there
[13:04] <Wellark> Chipaca: btw, was it you who was interested in knowing when the connectivity networking API is ready?
[13:04] <Chipaca> Wellark: yes
[13:05] <kenvandine> renatu, i fixed the translation bug you found, https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/lp1368770/+merge/235082
[13:05] <Chipaca> Wellark: not sure if we can switch to it at this point, but certainly want to know when we can :)
[13:05] <cwayne> jdstrand: https://pastebin.canonical.com/117171/ is /custom/cache and https://pastebin.canonical.com/117173/ is /var/cache
[13:05] <Wellark> Chipaca: sure
[13:05] <Wellark> Chipaca: what's your target language?
[13:05] <Chipaca> Wellark: go
[13:05] <Wellark> ok.
[13:05] <Wellark> Chipaca: sorry, no straight api for you
[13:05] <Wellark> Chipaca: but
[13:05] <Chipaca> Wellark: dbus?
[13:06] <Chipaca> a dbus api would make me happy
[13:06]  * Chipaca rhymes
[13:06] <Wellark> Chipaca: here you go: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/connectivity-api/trunk.14.10/view/head:/doc/dbus/connectivity-api.txt
[13:06] <Wellark> for Qt I would have been able to give you this: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-14.10/cplusplus/connectivity-api/
[13:07] <Wellark> and QML: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Connectivity.NetworkingStatus/
[13:07] <Chipaca> Wellark: no worries. So I just watch changes to those properties?
[13:07] <Wellark> Chipaca: yes.
[13:07] <Chipaca> Wellark: ok
[13:07] <Chipaca> Wellark: thanks
[13:07] <Wellark> standard fdo.Properties
[13:07] <Chipaca> yup
[13:08] <Wellark> Chipaca: I tried to keep it simple :)
[13:08] <Chipaca> Wellark: does it detect captive portals and report that as being offline(ish)?
[13:08] <Wellark> Chipaca: not yet.
[13:08] <Chipaca> ah
[13:08] <Chipaca> Wellark: when?
[13:08] <Wellark> Chipaca: captive portal detection is not enabled in NM
[13:08] <Chipaca> heh. it doesn't work if you do enable it :)
[13:08] <Wellark> Chipaca: we just need to make a decision in Washington
[13:09] <Wellark> or if for some reason we decide not to enable it in NM
[13:09] <jdstrand> cwayne: I think we need more debugging in the custom upstart job
[13:09] <Wellark> I can add the logic to the connectivity-service straight
[13:09] <Chipaca> Wellark: ok. i'll plan to switch post-washington then.
[13:09] <Wellark> Chipaca: but the idea is that the status will stay at "connecting" as long as the captive portal is blocking traffic
[13:10] <Chipaca> Wellark: that wfm.
[13:10] <Wellark> same would also be true if the there is a policy that all traffic must go trhough a VPN
[13:10] <Wellark> status would stay as "connecting" as long as the VPN is not up
[13:11] <Wellark> which might also require a captive portal login first
[13:15] <MacSlow> mpt, regarding LP: #1371081 I assume you'll hook up with Esti and James Mulholland to coordinate the final Design-guideline for a solution?
[13:15] <mpt> MacSlow, I just have
[13:15] <MacSlow> mpt, sweet!
[13:22] <kenvandine> Elleo, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/lp1368770/+merge/235082
[13:22] <asac> barry: do we have a bug for the odd progress bar behaviour on updates?
[13:22] <asac> barry: like i sometimes see it working, but in most cases the whole flow feels buggy
[13:22] <kenvandine> asac, for app updates or system?
[13:22] <Elleo> kenvandine: sure thing :)
[13:23] <asac> kenvandine: system updates ... if there is a difference
[13:23] <kenvandine> there is
[13:23] <asac> kenvandine: like you go there, you see no progress bar movement
[13:23] <kenvandine> we've fixed a number of bugs in that area in the past weeks
[13:23] <asac> and suddenly you get asked for install&reboot
[13:23] <tedg> mpt, So now I'm more confused, I thought that "Messages on Welcome Screen" was controlling notifications: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings#Phone
[13:23] <asac> kenvandine: do we have a master bug or something?
[13:23] <kenvandine> asac, i think that happens when the update is already downloaded
[13:23] <asac> kenvandine: right. the overall userflow is kind of buggy
[13:24] <kenvandine> if it has to download still, i think the progress bar works
[13:24] <asac> buggy experience
[13:24] <asac> not really buggy i think
[13:24] <tedg> mpt, How's that one work with the "Phone Locking" settings?
[13:24] <asac> kenvandine: right. i felt if the download is super small this happens
[13:24] <kenvandine> so if it's already downloaded, we just shouldn't show the bar
[13:24] <kenvandine> asac, do you have auto download enabled?
[13:24] <kenvandine> which is default
[13:24] <mandel> Elleo, can you please take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/qml-metadata and let me know if it makes sense  (for the qml only)
[13:24] <asac> but you are probably right taht the user flow is odd when it already is downloaded... wonder why it takes so much time then
[13:24] <dobey> nhaines: i'm running devel-proposed right now
[13:24] <asac> kenvandine: yes of course
[13:24] <kenvandine> right
[13:24] <asac> kenvandine: do we have a bug?
[13:24] <asac> i want to put that onto the tracking radar :P
[13:25] <kenvandine> i don't think we have one for that specifically
[13:25] <kenvandine> please file one
[13:25] <mandel> Elleo, is so that you can set the title in the downloads from the browser (that will be used in the indicator) and a flag that allows to hide the downloads from it
[13:25] <asac> kenvandine: against what?
[13:25] <kenvandine> ubuntu-system-settings
[13:25] <Wellark> Chipaca: btw, I want to talk with you
[13:25] <Wellark> when you have a moment
[13:25] <Wellark> I need some info on Go
[13:25] <kenvandine> asac, so you see the system update available, and you see the progress bar briefly
[13:25] <kenvandine> then you get the dialog right?
[13:25] <mpt> asac, bug 1311365 and bug 1312587
[13:25] <Wellark> Chipaca: but I'm stuck in meetings for the next two hours
[13:26] <Wellark> Chipaca: just ping me when you have a moment, thanks!
[13:26] <Chipaca> Wellark: good :) i'm off to a meeting in 4', and then school run
[13:26] <Wellark> Chipaca: ok.
[13:26] <Wellark> we can talk tomorrow, too
[13:26] <Wellark> as long as it happens before Washington :)
[13:26] <Wellark> Chipaca: I have something that might interest you and the rest of Go writers
[13:26] <Chipaca> Wellark: ah, you're a couple of hours ahead of me
[13:27] <kenvandine> mpt, i do not understand bug 1311365
[13:27] <Chipaca> Wellark: tomorrow morning works for me
[13:27] <Wellark> I'm UTC+3
[13:27] <kenvandine> it's all one page...
[13:27] <mpt> kenvandine, the screenshot is pretty self-explanatory :-)
[13:28] <greyback> Wellark: hey. I've never tried rendering to an FBO, but I know it's possible. https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qquickwindow.html#setRenderTarget looks to be useful
[13:28] <kenvandine> mpt, but it's one page :)
[13:28] <lool> ogra_: do you have the equivalent of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/lxc-android-config for krillin?
[13:28] <lool> no system.img there
[13:28] <kenvandine> oh, that's kind of old
[13:28] <lool> I see no mmcblk* in /dev under recovery
[13:28] <kenvandine> i bet that was fixed in seb128's UI refactoring
[13:29] <mpt> asac, sorry, I misread your complaint. You’re right, it’s a bug that you get prompted as soon as you arrive on the Updates screen.
[13:29] <jdstrand> cwayne: perhaps start with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8372336/
[13:30] <mpt> And it isn’t reported, afaik
[13:30] <jdstrand> cwayne: (untested)
[13:30] <asac> mpt: hmm. i think my complain is that you first get to the normal "download" screen, but dont see progress
[13:30] <asac> then suddenly you get prompted
[13:30] <asac> and then you sometimes end up in the grey screen
[13:30] <cwayne> jdstrand: the only problem is i don't know how to get it to run that on the very first boot (which is the only place we're seeing an issue)
[13:31] <greyback> Wellark: that needs to be called from the render thread, so you need to make a DirectConnection to something like the QQuickWindow::beforeRendering() signal - so that code you write is called on the render thread
[13:32] <jdstrand> cwayne: when is /custom available? always?
[13:32] <cwayne> jdstrand: yeah
[13:32] <greyback> Wellark: for more info on that, see https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtquick-visualcanvas-scenegraph.html#threaded-render-loop
[13:33] <jdstrand> cwayne: a first start might be 'rm -f /var/cache/apparmor/* && reboot' and see what happens
[13:33] <Wellark> greyback: thanks!
[13:33] <mpt> asac, hmm, I don’t know what you mean by “the normal ‘download’ screen”
[13:33] <Wellark> greyback: the real "tricky" part will be the input events
[13:33] <greyback> Wellark: input is always harder :)
[13:33] <jdstrand> cwayne: then paste /home/phablet.debug.out
[13:33] <jdstrand> /home/phablet/debug.out
[13:33] <cwayne> jdstrand: i've done that many times and it always works as expected
[13:34] <cwayne> i.e. diff shows no difference int he files
[13:34] <Wellark> greyback: but scenegraph was design to allow QtQuick to be embedded to "alien" render systems
[13:34] <cwayne> it's only on first boot that it is different somehow
[13:34] <Wellark> back in the day when it was still a research project called Lighthouse
[13:35] <jdstrand> cwayne: are they different now?
[13:35] <greyback> Wellark: designed is a strong word for it :) It can be made work. You might want to look into the "RenderControl" - that's a private API (prublic in 5.4) which gives an external library control over Qt rendering
[13:36] <asac> mpt: if i am in system settings. and i click on updates ... that screen has all the items taht get downloaded stacked and a progress bar
[13:36] <ogra_> lool, just "mount /system (it is in the recovery fstabl)
[13:36] <cwayne> jdstrand: i'd just done a fresh flash, so yep
[13:36] <greyback> Wellark: there's plenty of prior art with integrating QtQuick with other graphics libs. It integrates quite well with VTK for example
[13:36] <jdstrand> cwayne: can you run this command:
[13:36] <Elleo> kenvandine: approved :)
[13:36] <Wellark> greyback: well, Lighthouse was designed for it, maybe the vision got lost during transition to Scenegraph :)
[13:36] <jdstrand> for i in /custom/cache/apparmor /etc/apparmor.d/cache /var/cache/apparmor ; do echo "= $i =" ; for j in $i/* ; do echo -n "$j: " ; sudo apparmor_parser -B -r $j && echo pass || echo FAIL ; done ; done | grep FAIL
[13:37] <jdstrand> cwayne: actually drop the '| grep FAIL' off the end and paste the results
[13:37] <greyback> Wellark: this was a good talk on the topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfIaTccy6HQ
[13:37] <kenvandine> Elleo, thx!
[13:37] <cwayne> jdstrand: i ran it first with the grep fail, does that taint the results at all?
[13:38] <Elleo> no problem :)
[13:38] <jdstrand> cwayne: doesn't taint, just doesn't show as much as I'd like to see
[13:38] <cwayne> jdstrand: when i ran it the second time: https://pastebin.canonical.com/117174/
[13:39] <jdstrand> ok, so no failures (good)
[13:39] <johnvt> Good morning, anyone around?
[13:39] <jdstrand> there might be a click system hook invocation involved
[13:40] <lool> ogra_: updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/lxc-android-config#preview
[13:40] <jdstrand> cwayne: yes, I bet it is click-system-hooks.conf
[13:40] <jdstrand> start on filesystem
[13:40] <jdstrand> task
[13:40] <jdstrand> exec /usr/bin/click hook run-system
[13:40] <johnvt> I'm trying to do an offline install of Ubuntu Server 14.04 LTS but the only ISO I can find for it requires internet
[13:40] <lool> hmm device doesn't boot anymore
[13:40] <lool> laala
[13:41] <jdstrand> cwayne: apparmor start before lightdm, not start on filesystem
[13:41] <ogra_> lool, misses a mkdir for mako
[13:41] <mpt> asac, it has one progress bar for each item that is downloading
[13:41] <johnvt> Is there a way to install Ubuntu Server 14.04 LTS *without* network access?
[13:41] <johnvt> Just a quick bare install
[13:41] <lool> ogra_: does it?
[13:41] <Wellark> greyback: thanks! the most important thing right now for is that by Washington I need to be able just to demonstrate it's feasible to run unity8 indicators on top of unity7
[13:41] <ogra_> lool, well, or make both use TARGET=/system
[13:41] <ogra_> either will work
[13:41] <lool> ogra_: does mount /system work on mako?
[13:42] <ogra_> i think so
[13:42] <lool> gosh I've broken my krillin's boot now
[13:42] <lool> WTF
[13:42] <jdstrand> cwayne: so, you should adjust the upstart job to use: start on starting click-system-hooks
[13:42] <jdstrand> cwayne: instead
[13:42] <Wellark> greyback: I will share the draft of the whitepaper with you as soon as I have it in decent shape and we can go through the details
[13:43] <Wellark> I would really appreciate your input on it
[13:43] <sletta> Wellark / greyback: You might want to know that the lighthouse scene graph has no correlation to the Qt Quick scene graph
[13:43] <cwayne> jdstrand: ah ok so we just weren't starting early enough
[13:43] <cwayne> but then i wonder why it worked on subsequent reboots?
[13:44] <cwayne> or does click-system-hooks only run once?
[13:44] <jdstrand> cwayne: but we should get rsalveti's input. I'm not very familiar with the early boot (system-image stuff, etc)
[13:44] <Wellark> sletta: sure, lighthouse was first
[13:44] <Wellark> they took the name at least :)
[13:44] <jdstrand> cwayne: on subsequent reboots, the clicks didn't change so there was nothing to redo
[13:45] <johnvt> Bueller?
[13:45] <Wellark> sletta: didn't lighthouse became the basis of QPA for Qt5 in the end?
[13:45] <cwayne> jdstrand: ah, right, so start on starting apparmor was good enough in those cases
[13:45] <sletta> different lighthouse
[13:45] <johnvt> Does anyone know if you can install 14.04 without network access?
[13:45] <jdstrand> cwayne: so the click-apparmor might've run, but nothing changed, so it didn't update the cache. then apparmor comes along later and creates the cache for the files that aren't there
[13:46] <cwayne> jdstrand: ah, okay
[13:46] <jdstrand> cwayne: but, I'd like rsalveti's input
[13:46] <Wellark> sletta: anyway, it's irrelevant for the present, but nice memories from the past :)
[13:47] <sletta> :)
[13:48] <jdstrand> rsalveti: so the custom-apparmor-cache job did work on first boot because it started after click-system-hooks. I suggested using 'start on starting click-system-hooks' instead. click-system-hooks uses 'start on filesystem'. do you see any problems?
[13:48] <Wellark> sletta: I remember walking into a ordinary meeting
[13:48] <jdstrand> rsalveti: sorry, it didn't work on first boot
[13:48] <Wellark> and being amazed that everyone walking in through the door were asked straight away to sign an extra NDA
[13:48] <Wellark> even though we had full access already
[13:48] <Wellark> it was clear that the news were going to be big
[13:49] <Wellark> and then we were told that Nokia is acquiring Trolltech
[13:49] <Wellark> the happiest day of my life
[13:49] <Wellark> then again.. in a retro spect everything became quite bitter sweet
[13:49] <sletta> indeed :)
[13:50] <sletta> I was terrified that day, to be honest..
[13:50] <sletta> but I grew to like it
[13:51] <Wellark> sletta: well, I had been working on a team that did tehcnology demoes that utilized Qt for two years before the acqusition
[13:51] <Wellark> so we were excited
[13:51] <Wellark> as we had demonstrated the power of Qt multiple times over
[13:51] <Wellark> it felt natural to us
[13:52] <Wellark> and felt like the thing of the future and new times of prosperity
[13:52] <Wellark> bitter sweet...
[13:53] <Mirv> oh it was this channel, but anyway (just looked at my highlights window)
[13:56] <barry> kenvandine, asac i've been looking at this too, but mostly in the context of testing si 2.4.  i notice fewer odd things on image #47.  note that the signals si-dbus sends hasn't changed, and the UpdateProgress signal is plumbed straight through from udm (except the initial 0,0 signal)
[13:57] <asac> yes, i feel it got better
[13:58] <FunnyLookinHat> Just flashed the latest onto a mako - but I'm not getting any WiFi networks.  Anyone else seeing that?
[13:58] <asac> but its still not really good end user experience imo
[13:59] <FunnyLookinHat> asac, can you elaborate?
[13:59] <barry> asac: the thing that bothers me is that the ui says "installing" when it's really downloading.  it's only *really* installing the update when you click on "reboot and install"
[14:01] <tedg> mpt, Does the "Messages on Welcome Screen" setting effect the messaging menu? Or just "Notifications and quick settings" one?
[14:02] <ogra_> i think it only affects the usermetrics (the stuff in the cycle)
[14:02] <ogra_> (well, it did in the past, not sure how it changed since i last tried it)
[14:03] <nik90> charles: ping (request)
[14:03] <charles> nik90, pong (response)
[14:03] <nik90> charles: hey would it be possible to take a screenshot of the alarm notification in https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-datetime/lp-1370594-refresh-notifications-to-match-design/+merge/235025
[14:03] <nik90> charles: i reflashed my phone and don't have the packages anymore
[14:04] <charles> nik90, sure, one minute
[14:04] <nik90> thnx
[14:08] <charles> nik90, http://i.imgur.com/FkKZvQP.jpg
[14:08] <nik90> charles: thnx a lot :)
[14:08] <mailyaseen> popey : can i have move installed apps from apps section to a new section..?
[14:09] <mailyaseen> popey : i want to keep important apps like phone, msg, calls and couple of more in one section and others in another section..
[14:13] <dobey> mailyaseen: no, but there are 6 apps pinned to the top, including phone, messaging, and contacts
[14:14] <dobey> mailyaseen: you can also pin apps to the launcher (that opens swiping in slightly from the left edge)
[14:16] <mailyaseen> popry : ohh okay: Thanks...
[14:16] <mailyaseen> popey : Thank you
[14:17] <mailyaseen> popey : any future plans of double tap to wake feature
[14:30] <popey> mailyaseen: not that I'm aware of
[14:30] <mailyaseen> popey : ohh okay
[14:45] <dobey> mzanetti: can you re-review https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/unity8/purchase-unprogress/+merge/234747 please?
[14:48] <mzanetti> dobey: ack
[14:49] <mzanetti> alecu: do you think I need to test this again or are we ok if I only do a code review? ^
[14:53] <alecu> mzanetti: code review is fine, thanks
[14:54] <mzanetti> alecu: ack
[15:13] <charles> davmor2, ping
[15:14] <charles> davmor2, I'm not able to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-datetime/+bug/1364088, could you retest and see if the problem is still showing up for you?
[15:16] <jgdx> mpt, pings
[15:16] <davmor2> charles: will do in a bit
[15:16] <charles> davmor2, thanks
[15:31] <cwayne> rsalveti: so the custom-apparmor-cache job didnt work on first boot because it started after click-system-hooks. jdstrand suggested using 'start on starting click-system-hooks' instead. click-system-hooks uses 'start on filesystem'. do you see any problems?
[15:37] <rsalveti> cwayne: nops
[15:37] <rsalveti> go for it
[15:38] <rsalveti> jdstrand: looks fine :-)
[15:38] <jdstrand> cool, thanks
[15:39] <cwayne> thanks rsalveti jdstrand :)  i'll get a branch up and in a silo soon as i'm back from lunch :D
[15:44] <lool> cwayne: hey!
[15:45] <nik90> tvoss: Silo ubuntu-rtm 013, works as expected on RTM Image #43.
[15:45] <tvoss> nik90, thank you
[15:46] <tvoss> nik90, device?
[15:46] <nik90> tvoss: mako
[15:46] <tvoss> nik90, thank you
[15:46] <nik90> np
[16:00] <davmor2> charles, nik90: alarm triggered at 17:00, I'll keep an eye on it
[16:10] <davmor2> charles, nik90: looks fixed here now \o/
[16:16] <cwayne> lool: heya
[16:17] <lool> cwayne: looking at landing the espoo/here rtm silo; do you have an updated tarball ready? can we publish it now?
[16:17] <lool> davmor2: is the silo granted by QA now?
[16:18] <davmor2> lool: we were just dicussing it on the landing meeting I can flick the granted switch
[16:18] <lool> ok
[16:18] <lool> davmor2: what we have in rtm image today is basically broken; this gets us at least a stable baseline that we can fix
[16:19] <lool> with a manageable list of issues
[16:21] <cwayne> lool: it's in 14.09-proposed-customized, we'd need qa signonff before we can move it to 14.09-proposed
[16:21] <lool> cwayne: are there other changes than my update between the two?
[16:23] <cwayne> lool: yes, there's also pre-compiled apparmor cache, but it doesnt work atm (but a fix is being prepared)
[16:23] <mpt> asac, I reported the bug I thought you were talking about as bug 1371157, but I still don’t know what you actually were talking about :-)
[16:24] <popey> woah, i have an accurate location in osmtouch!
[16:24] <popey> well, fairly accurate. it thinks I'm standing on a railway line
[16:25] <popey> NO CARRIER....
[16:27] <lool> davmor2: (see above from cwayne_
[16:38] <davmor2> cwayne: where this tarball and did you let QA know it needed  testing?
[16:38] <cwayne> davmor2: not yet as I was going to try and get more fixes in first
[16:38] <cwayne> davmor2: but it's at 14.09-proposed-customized
[16:38] <davmor2> cwayne: ah right okay
[16:39] <davmor2> lool: in that case I'll do a quick reflash and double check that nothing regresses with the silo installed and then we can go ahead and land that, does that sound like a plan?
[16:40] <lool> davmor2: not sure what you're proposing, but yeah whatever
[16:42] <davmor2> lool: just keep your eye on the silo :)
[16:44] <lool> davmor2: how do you mean?
[16:45] <cwayne> jdstrand: hows this: https://code.launchpad.net/~cwayne18/ubuntu-touch-customization-hooks/start-apparmor-cache-earlier/+merge/235171
[16:50] <asac> mpt: i think pmcgowan filed the "REAL" one now :)
[16:51] <asac> (about install progress bar experience)
[17:02] <kibibyte> hi
[17:02] <kibibyte> can i install ubuntu-touch on nexus 7 2013 LTE ?
[17:02] <jdstrand> cwayne: looks good :)
[17:03] <cwayne> jdstrand: cool :) i even made sure to make a new tarball with newer clicks so that the click-hooks would actually be running too
[17:03] <kibibyte> can i install ubuntu-touch on nexus 7 2013 LTE ?
[17:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Ubuntu Touch seems to make stuff unbootable... With my flo device I can only get into fastboot mode, and I can't flash anything using [ fastboot flash ]...
[17:05] <kibibyte> SonikkuAmerica, do you have nexus 7 3g ?
[17:05] <kibibyte> 2013
[17:06] <SonikkuAmerica> This is flo, which means Wi-Fi only (which is the base for tablet development)
[17:06] <kibibyte> SonikkuAmerica, i have 33 can i install utouch on this ?
[17:07] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm not sure.
[17:07] <kibibyte> 3g
[17:07] <kibibyte> ill try , whoi cares
[17:08] <kibibyte> hm i have custom recoevery already
[17:11] <kibibyte> can i use twrp recovery for installing utouch ?
[17:12] <SonikkuAmerica> If you use ubuntu-device-flash it will install a modded CWM
[17:12] <kibibyte> not good
[17:13] <kibibyte> normally i just needed .zip file with image and it works
[17:15] <Wellark> Chipaca: how about that quick hangout?
[17:15] <Wellark> or did you already leave?
[17:15] <Chipaca> Wellark: i'm on my way out
[17:15] <Wellark> Chipaca: ack
[17:15] <Wellark> Chipaca: have a great evening then! :)
[17:16] <Chipaca> Wellark: you too!
[17:16] <dobey> !devices | kibibyte
[17:17] <dobey> kibibyte: "deb" has images built on the alternate community system-image server
[17:17] <kibibyte> dobey, yeah this one  http://system-image.tasemnice.eu
[17:17] <SonikkuAmerica> Stupid remote: flash write failures....
[17:17] <dobey> yes
[17:17] <kibibyte> dobey, but i already have twrp recovery and cyanogenmod , I dont want another recovery
[17:18] <kibibyte> just want to backupo cyanogenmod and install utouch from twrp
[17:18] <kibibyte> is it possible
[17:18] <kibibyte> ?
[17:18] <dobey> kibibyte: i don't know. i think you're on your own for that
[17:26] <kibibyte> dobey, on http://system-image.tasemnice.eu theres no images to dwonload i see only some .tz files
[17:27] <dobey> kibibyte: uh, there are images there. there may not be the sideloaded zip file you're wanting, but it has images that are installable with ubuntu-device-flash
[17:27] <dobey> kibibyte: if you want to do it the hard way, like i said, i think you're on your own
[17:27] <kibibyte> dobey, is there any way to download it somehow
[17:28] <dobey> wget?
[17:30] <dobey> i'm not quite sure how the multiboot app works (if it installs a different recovery or what), but it might work too
[17:31] <ogra_> the deb port is maintained by the same person that maintains/wrote multirom
[17:31] <ogra_> so i guess it will just work fine
[17:33] <SonikkuAmerica> So I was able to load TWRP from the command line, but it couldn't mount anything... :(
[17:34] <dobey> ogra_: yes it will work. i meant with regards to the recovery image though
[17:34] <ogra_> ah, yeah. no idea about thaat
[18:49] <pmcgowan> charles, do you work on BT indicator?
[18:49] <pmcgowan> have a bug I need to assign
[18:49] <charles> pmcgowan, cyphermox and I have both done work on it lately, feel free to assign it to me
[18:51] <pmcgowan> charles, thanks
[18:51] <charles> pmcgowan, url?
[18:51] <davmor2> charles: aka sucker for punishment ;)
[18:52] <charles> if it's deep into the guts of BT, I'll probably get cyphermox for help, he's better at that than I am
[18:52] <charles> "help"
[18:52] <pmcgowan> it seems more UI type bug
[18:52] <cyphermox> pmcgowan: the disconnect one for some speakers?
[18:53] <pmcgowan> cyphermox, no this is the indicator not restoring itself when BT turned back on
[18:53] <cyphermox> oh wait
[18:53] <cyphermox> indicator, I see ;)
[18:53] <pmcgowan> it shows up but its empty
[18:53] <cyphermox> I haven
[18:53] <cyphermox> haven't ever touched the indicator
[18:55] <charles> cyphermox, I'm thinking of the good BT work you did for ubuntu-system-settings
[18:55] <charles> cyphermox, you're the go-to BT guy
[18:57] <charles> but I agree with pmcgowan, this sounds more like an issue with the indicator itself
[19:04] <MisuMihai> hello , how do i ask questions here ?
[19:06] <genii> MisuMihai: You just state the problem or question as clearly as you can to everyone, and then wait
[19:14] <MisuMihai> Ok, i'm trying to instal ubuntu touch on a chinese tablet, will it work ?
[19:16] <genii> MisuMihai: Odds are probably not. But you could check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices and see if it's already on the list
[19:19] <mhall119> hey, the new emulator image is asking me for a passphrase, who knows what that is?
[19:20] <mhall119> sergiusens: ogra_ ^^ ?
[19:21] <mhall119> and why does the emulator image default to having a passphrase anyway?
[19:31] <mhall119> hmmm, seems I need a password on my own device now too...
[19:32] <mhall119> popey: do you know what the password is for devices now?
[19:33] <mhall119> 'phablet' no longer works
[19:49] <mhall119> zbenjamin: bzoltan: Filed a bug for this one too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1371286
[19:56] <mhall119> sorry, that's not password related, it's scope running ^^
[19:57] <mhall119> too many IRC windows
[20:13] <zbenjamin> mhall119: how did you stop the scope? From qtc? or removed the cable?
[20:36] <mhall119> zbenjamin: I don't remember now, I ran it last night and tried again today
[20:36] <zbenjamin> mhall119: pulling the cable while its still open will result in that problem
[20:37] <zbenjamin> mhall119: sadly i do not get the SIGHUP signal then the cable is pulled
[20:37] <zbenjamin> mhall119: i guess the shell is just killed if that happens
[20:38] <mhall119> I very likely did that
[20:39] <mhall119> zbenjamin: unfortunately the phablet user's password has changed and "adb shell" now logs me is a that user, so I can't currently uninstall my stope
[20:39] <mhall119> scope
[20:39] <zbenjamin> mhall119: you can uninstall it as a user, with pkcon but i don't have the command at hand now
[20:40] <cwayne> mhall119: phablet user's password is the passcode/passphrase to unlock
[20:41] <mhall119> cwayne: any idea what that user password might be?
[20:42] <zbenjamin> mhall119: it did not change, you had to set the password or code yourself on the phone
[20:42] <zbenjamin> mhall119: only on the emulator it would be 0000
[20:47] <mhall119> zbenjamin: I'll try that on the emulator, I didn't change my password on my phone though
[20:49] <mhall119> ah, it set to my pin now
[20:49] <mhall119> thanks zbenjamin
[20:50] <zbenjamin> mhall119: np
[20:53] <mhall119> zbenjamin: this whole "you can't run something from the SDK if it's already installed" limitation is going to be frustrating to developers, is there an alternative?
[20:54] <zbenjamin> mhall119: well the alternative is breaking already installed apps
[20:54] <zbenjamin> mhall119: we probably could add a "force install" checkbox somewhere
[20:55] <mhall119> zbenjamin: would it be possible to just prefix the appid with "test." anywhere it's used?
[20:57] <zbenjamin> mhall119: thats no solution, then you end up with 10 apps installed each with a prefix   test.test.test.test.test.test.test.myappid
[20:57] <mhall119> more like test.com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.appname
[20:58] <mhall119> but now that I think about it, there's probably too many places that needs to be done to reliably do it with a script
[20:59] <zbenjamin> mhall119: i don't really like the prefix idea, i thought about that too before. But i don't know that the appid is already used before the click package is on the phone. That means i would have to unpack it, fix the file, and then click build it again
[21:04] <zbenjamin> time to catch some sleep
[21:04]  * zbenjamin --> out
[21:06] <cwayne> jdstrand: ping
[21:11] <jdstrand> cwayne: hey
[21:16] <cwayne> jdstrand: hey, so i was trying out a custom tarball with the core apps included, and i'm seeing a bunch of apparmor denials
[21:16] <cwayne> jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8375131/
[21:17] <jdstrand> cwayne: it looks like CLICK_DIR is not properly set in the profile
[21:18] <jdstrand> cwayne: can you paste 'cat /var/lib/apparmor/profiles/click_com.ubuntu.gallery_gallery_2.9.1.1056'
[21:19] <cwayne> jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8375162/
[21:20] <jdstrand> @{CLICK_DIR}="/usr/share/click/preinstalled"
[21:20] <jdstrand> click isn't giving click-apparmor the right directory it seems
[21:20] <jdstrand> let me check something
[21:20] <cwayne> jdstrand: hm, how can we get that properly set?
[21:21] <cwayne> i bet it's getting confused as the clicks are likely the same version..
[21:21] <jdstrand> cwayne: I'm guessing the versions of the apps exist in both /usr/share and custom
[21:21] <jdstrand> right
[21:21] <cwayne> yeah
[21:24] <jdstrand> right, so, click-apparmor is just resolving symlinks in /var/lib/apparmor/clicks
[21:25] <jdstrand> so there isn't anything more it can do
[21:25] <jdstrand> click is probably preferring the preinstalled directory over /custom
[21:26] <jdstrand> you'd want to either talk to cjwatson about that or simply adjust your scripts to remove things from /custom that are already in preinstalled
[21:26] <cwayne> jdstrand: right, but we're trying to move the stuff from /usr/share/click/preinstalled into /custom :)
[21:27] <cwayne> i'll poke cjwatson tomorrow, perhaps it's as simple as having click preferring /custom (which i would have assumed it did tbh)
[21:51] <darthanubis> anyone running touch on a nexus2013wifi tablet?
[22:15] <popey> darthanubis: yes
[22:29] <doneill> ubuntu touch on a cheap allwinner tablet, yey.
[22:29] <popey> doneill: you ported it?
[22:35] <doneill> not yet :(
[22:35] <doneill> but i do have debian running on it already
[22:35] <doneill> although that has nothing to do with it
[22:35] <doneill> running repo, which seems to take ~17 years to complete.
[22:42] <tvoss> hmmm, who can help me bootstrapping a .pot file?
[22:53] <nhaines> dobey: thanks!
[22:54] <tvoss> popey, ping
[22:59] <popey> tvoss: hello
[22:59] <tvoss> popey, unping :)
[23:00] <nhaines> Well that was easy.