[00:52] jdstrand: ping === jamesh__ is now known as jamesh === _salem is now known as salem_ [02:49] cwayne: yeah, I saw something weird and am trying to figure out what it is. I may want to do an upload to fix it [02:49] cwayne: sorry, I should have mentioned that sooner === salem_ is now known as _salem [05:10] Anyone There [06:26] I can't remember now... is there a way to switch channels (from devel to devel-proposed, for instance) on the device itself via CLI? [06:51] nhaines: system-image-cli can do that [06:53] popey: thanks. I'm trying to decide whether to run devel or ubuntu-rtm/14.09 on my Nexus 5. [06:59] good morning === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [06:59] dholbach: good morning! [07:00] hi nhaines [07:00] dholbach: I was just pondering what channel of Ubuntu to run on my N5. :) [07:01] nhaines: I'd ask dobey what he runs on his [07:02] popey: sounds good. rtm seems fine but has no scopes and no promotion yet. I was running devel-proposed but since I'm going to reflash anyway, may as well get a second opinion. :) [07:03] dobey: what's the best channel to be running on a N5? === tvoss is now known as tvoss|test === tvoss|test is now known as tvoss === Zic is now known as Guest68979 === Guest68979 is now known as Zic [08:04] i had my n4 on devel-proposed ringing some form of alarm without a notification that i could use to it off and i had to power it off to get rid of it. is there a bug open for that? [08:05] Sounds like a timesaver. Think of all the time looking for the snooze button you won't waste. [08:06] asac, iirc we had that before but it was fixed ... cant remember any bug number though ... perhaps popey or davmor2 can [08:06] nhaines: lol. well, it didnt stop ringing :). was not very effective while i was fighting it mentally hoping for it to stop :P [08:06] asac: it definitely got your attention though. :) [08:06] hehe [08:06] Good morning all; happy Respect Day! :-D [08:11] asac: sounds like the one where the notification is behind stuff, and if you stab repeatedly where the notification would be, it does dismiss it [08:12] popey: really? a phantom bubble? nice :). will try next time [08:12] popey: do you know the bug id? [08:18] asac: lemme try and find it [08:41] tsdgeos: in case you want to give the rtm silo a whirl, https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu-rtm/landing-006 is ready and I estimate getting the (general) testing done today, after which it'll go to QA. [08:41] cool [08:44] folks, is there a workaroudn for flashing without --wipe failing on mako? [08:44] adb push tells me there isn't enough free space in recovery [08:45] check /cache/recovery and clean it if needed [08:45] there seemed to be only device bits there [08:46] I'll try again [08:49] lool: you can open the mako tarball grab the recovery bit and flash that bit with fastboot and definitely have a clean recovery and then flash with u-d-f [08:52] /dev/disk/by-partlabel/cache 552M 9,8M 542M 2% /android/cache [08:53] we'll see how that goes, but all files seemed to be relevant [09:31] Ooh, I found a bug in the welcome wizard. [09:32] On the "Set lock security", if I open the dropdown for "PIN code", but tap on the entry field for the entry, it goes all pear-shaped. [09:32] The dropdown doesn't close. === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [10:21] mpt: correct. it should be non-editable [10:22] Wellark, I was confused by the toolkit: it looks editable but it isn’t (reported bug 1370571) [10:22] bug 1370571 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "Read-only text field doesn't look read-only" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1370571 [10:26] mpt: ok. does not come as a total surprise :) === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === Chipaca is now known as Chipakeitor === Chipakeitor is now known as __chip__ === __chip__ is now known as Chipaca [10:34] mpt: quick workaround would be to change the text field to a label [10:34] Wellark, I think that would be a net improvement, even though it would mean the number was uncopyable for now [10:35] (As it is, copying the number is pretty fiddly to do anyway) [11:38] I'm getting this on apt-get update on mako / 14.09-proposed: [11:38] W: Impossible de récupérer http://derived.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu-rtm/dists/14.09-security/restricted/source/Sources 404 Not Found [11:38] looks like sources.list is broken [11:39] or the archive [11:47] ogra_: is --channel=ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 the correct channel for rtm stable [11:47] yup [11:47] cool thnx === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === _salem is now known as salem_ === psivaa_ is now known as psivaa === gatox_ultra is now known as gatox [12:22] mpt: could you (and if not you, who) give any additional input on bug 1371081 please? [12:22] bug 1371081 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "if "when locked, allow [...] notifications" is disabled, notifications should not be shown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1371081 [12:30] Chipaca, done [12:30] mpt: thanks [12:30] Saviq: are you still on vacation? [12:36] jdstrand: hey so i was seeing the precompiled cache in /custom being different from what ended up in /var/cache/apparmor, is that the weirdness you were seeing? [12:37] different how? [12:37] jdstrand: i don't know, diff just said the binaries differed [12:37] so it seems like theyre not being copied over on first boot [12:37] if i remove the ones from /var and then reboot they *are* copied over [12:38] so im wondering if start on starting apparmor wasn't early enough? [12:38] and the first boot still took forever, so it was definitely still compiling them instead of copying over [12:38] do you cwayne that is probably the -u of cp kicking in [12:38] mey [12:38] that is probably the -u of cp kicking in [12:39] jdstrand: but the destination file should be missing at that point [12:39] cwayne: not if the image had booted [12:40] jdstrand: but it hadn't, this was on first boot [12:40] was this a fresh wipe or was there still stuff in /var/lib/apparmor [12:40] jdstrand: fresh wipe [12:41] what is the output of 'stat /var/cache/apparmor/*' and 'stat /custom/cache/*' [12:42] (and no, this isn't the weirdness) [12:42] also, define 'forever' [12:42] jdstrand: like a minute or so, long enough to tell it was compiling :) [12:42] 2 minutes, 10 minutes, ... [12:42] I see [12:43] jdstrand: let me do a fresh wipe again, and ill get you the output of those stat calls [12:44] I feel like maybe the upstart job is short-circuiting [12:44] jdstrand, Hi! I believe you work on trust-stored-skeleton ? [12:44] om26er: I did not [12:45] om26er: tvoss is the owner afaik [12:45] om26er, yup, how can I help? [12:46] tvoss, Hi! during image testing I have found the camera-app to not start sometimes, at that time there is this crash bug 1371071 [12:46] bug 1371071 in trust-store (Ubuntu) "trust-stored-skeleton crashed with SIGSEGV in MirPromptSession::MirPromptSession()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1371071 [12:46] jdstrand, ok, I found the owner :) [12:46] asac, thanks [12:47] popey : hi [12:48] om26er, known, duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/trust-store/+bug/1370444 [12:48] Launchpad bug 1370444 in trust-store (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/trust-stored-skeleton:11:MirPromptSession::MirPromptSession:MirConnection::create_prompt_session:mir_connection_create_prompt_session_sync:core::trust::mir::ConnectionVirtualTable::create_prompt_session_sync:core::trust::mir::Agent::authenticate_request_with_parameters" [Critical,Confirmed] [12:48] om26er, however, the camera should still start [12:48] tvoss, the camera process did start but the UI was stuck at launching [12:49] Mirv, mzanetti: do you guys know if anyone has experience in doing QML offscreen rendering? [12:49] Wellark: what you want to do? [12:49] Mirv: kaitsu from nomovok had back in the day when Scenegraph was still called Lighthouse :) [12:50] mzanetti: I need to do a quick PoC on how to bring unity8 indicators to unity7 [12:50] basically the idea is to render the indicators offscreen to a GL buffer [12:50] and then have unity7 show the buffer and relay the mouse events [12:50] it's totally doable [12:50] I've seen it done before [12:51] hmm... greyback maybe [12:51] just wondering if anyone would have any prior experience on actually doing it [12:51] so that I don't have to figure out the shape of the wheel from zero' [12:51] om26er, okay, probably best to file against camera [12:51] mailyaseen: yo [12:51] greyback: my man? --^ :) [12:51] Wellark: aren't you working on the SIM pin stuff any more? [12:51] mzanetti: sure. I am [12:51] mzanetti: this is my hobby [12:51] just wanted to ask [12:52] some preparations for the client sprint [12:52] mzanetti: I'm working on this on my spare time [12:52] popey: wat is the password, for exploring root files in file manager.. [12:52] mailyaseen: whatever you set it to in system settings [12:52] Wellark: yeah, try greyback... He's done the most with the rendering stuff [12:52] tvoss, will do. === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:52] popey : i tried, ubuntu and phablet... but are not working [12:52] mailyaseen: the pin unlock code [12:53] mailyaseen: is this in the emulator? if so, try 0000 [12:53] popey : okay.. Thank you [12:53] om26er, thanks [12:53] popey: the password is the "passcode" you set in the startup wizard [12:54] pin unlock code is for the SIM [12:54] alhtough I don't know if it's already "fixed" everywhere [12:54] Wellark:uh [12:54] we dont have SIM unlock codes here ☻ [12:54] popey: you might not have [12:54] and yeah, okay, passcode / pin / potato / potato [12:54] but the civilized world does :) [12:54] ʘ‿ಠ [12:55] popey: there is a long bug thread about this [12:55] indeed [12:55] where we actual Europeans tried to convince the UK minded designers that it's a _bad_ idea to call the device passcode "PIN" :) [12:55] Wellark: I'm not the one asking, mailyaseen is [12:56] I agreed. [12:56] Preaching to the converted here ☻ [12:56] popey: btw, will UK change it's name to "Almost United Kingdoms" if Scotland goes on with the madness and breaks off ? [12:56] haha [12:57] don't those people realize what economical and geo political suicide that is... [12:57] seems a very close vote [12:57] 51/49 by most reckonings [12:57] same goes for the rest of the UK, btw [12:57] with the talks of breaking off from the EU [12:57] * popey sets up the Glorious Nation of Popey [12:57] good luck herding those sheeps after that [12:58] as it's about the only viable living the people in the UK can do after breaking off EU [12:58] back to the dark ages1 [12:58] ok, maybe my world politics trolling limit is now reached for today [12:58] popey : its password is same as pincode used to unlock the mobile/screen.. :) [12:59] popey: let's continue in Washington over a barrel of bear :) [12:59] fg [12:59] mailyaseen: yes. [12:59] ☻ [12:59] mpt: do you know if there is design as to what to do if the popup is suppressed? [12:59] mailyaseen: it's the same you have to enter each time you want to unlock the greeter [12:59] Chipaca: which popup? [13:00] Weelark : correct.. :) i am able to explore to the root [13:00] Wellark / popey : where can i located the files which i had stored in android? [13:00] no idea, I dont use android [13:00] * Wellark feels very concerned that we have a user unix password set as four digits [13:01] * Wellark wonders what is the size of the dictinary that would contain all of the precomputed hashes.. [13:01] mailyaseen: I'm not 100% sure [13:01] but look under /userdata/ [13:01] if I remember correctly the android files are under [13:01] Wellark : let me check out.. :) [13:01] /userdata/0/ [13:01] or /userdata/0/0 [13:01] or something like that [13:02] mpt: ah, just seen your response. responding. [13:02] mailyaseen: if you can't find them [13:02] mailyaseen: but you remember you had a file "foo bar something maybe.pdf" [13:02] you can do [13:02] cd / [13:02] find . |grep -i omething [13:03] if you just remember at least part of the name [13:03] MacSlow: mpt: there [13:04] Chipaca: btw, was it you who was interested in knowing when the connectivity networking API is ready? [13:04] Wellark: yes [13:05] renatu, i fixed the translation bug you found, https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/lp1368770/+merge/235082 [13:05] Wellark: not sure if we can switch to it at this point, but certainly want to know when we can :) [13:05] jdstrand: https://pastebin.canonical.com/117171/ is /custom/cache and https://pastebin.canonical.com/117173/ is /var/cache [13:05] Chipaca: sure [13:05] Chipaca: what's your target language? [13:05] Wellark: go [13:05] ok. [13:05] Chipaca: sorry, no straight api for you [13:05] Chipaca: but [13:05] Wellark: dbus? [13:06] a dbus api would make me happy [13:06] * Chipaca rhymes [13:06] Chipaca: here you go: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/connectivity-api/trunk.14.10/view/head:/doc/dbus/connectivity-api.txt [13:06] for Qt I would have been able to give you this: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-14.10/cplusplus/connectivity-api/ [13:07] and QML: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Connectivity.NetworkingStatus/ [13:07] Wellark: no worries. So I just watch changes to those properties? [13:07] Chipaca: yes. [13:07] Wellark: ok [13:07] Wellark: thanks [13:07] standard fdo.Properties [13:07] yup [13:08] Chipaca: I tried to keep it simple :) [13:08] Wellark: does it detect captive portals and report that as being offline(ish)? [13:08] Chipaca: not yet. [13:08] ah [13:08] Wellark: when? [13:08] Chipaca: captive portal detection is not enabled in NM [13:08] heh. it doesn't work if you do enable it :) [13:08] Chipaca: we just need to make a decision in Washington [13:09] or if for some reason we decide not to enable it in NM [13:09] cwayne: I think we need more debugging in the custom upstart job [13:09] I can add the logic to the connectivity-service straight [13:09] Wellark: ok. i'll plan to switch post-washington then. [13:09] Chipaca: but the idea is that the status will stay at "connecting" as long as the captive portal is blocking traffic [13:10] Wellark: that wfm. [13:10] same would also be true if the there is a policy that all traffic must go trhough a VPN [13:10] status would stay as "connecting" as long as the VPN is not up [13:11] which might also require a captive portal login first [13:15] mpt, regarding LP: #1371081 I assume you'll hook up with Esti and James Mulholland to coordinate the final Design-guideline for a solution? [13:15] Launchpad bug 1371081 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "if “when locked, allow [...] notifications” is disabled, notifications should not be shown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1371081 [13:15] MacSlow, I just have [13:15] mpt, sweet! [13:22] Elleo, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/lp1368770/+merge/235082 [13:22] barry: do we have a bug for the odd progress bar behaviour on updates? [13:22] barry: like i sometimes see it working, but in most cases the whole flow feels buggy [13:22] asac, for app updates or system? [13:22] kenvandine: sure thing :) [13:23] kenvandine: system updates ... if there is a difference [13:23] there is [13:23] kenvandine: like you go there, you see no progress bar movement [13:23] we've fixed a number of bugs in that area in the past weeks [13:23] and suddenly you get asked for install&reboot [13:23] mpt, So now I'm more confused, I thought that "Messages on Welcome Screen" was controlling notifications: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings#Phone [13:23] kenvandine: do we have a master bug or something? [13:23] asac, i think that happens when the update is already downloaded [13:23] kenvandine: right. the overall userflow is kind of buggy [13:24] if it has to download still, i think the progress bar works [13:24] buggy experience [13:24] not really buggy i think [13:24] mpt, How's that one work with the "Phone Locking" settings? [13:24] kenvandine: right. i felt if the download is super small this happens [13:24] so if it's already downloaded, we just shouldn't show the bar [13:24] asac, do you have auto download enabled? [13:24] which is default [13:24] Elleo, can you please take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/qml-metadata and let me know if it makes sense (for the qml only) [13:24] but you are probably right taht the user flow is odd when it already is downloaded... wonder why it takes so much time then [13:24] nhaines: i'm running devel-proposed right now [13:24] kenvandine: yes of course [13:24] right [13:24] kenvandine: do we have a bug? [13:24] i want to put that onto the tracking radar :P [13:25] i don't think we have one for that specifically [13:25] please file one [13:25] Elleo, is so that you can set the title in the downloads from the browser (that will be used in the indicator) and a flag that allows to hide the downloads from it [13:25] kenvandine: against what? [13:25] ubuntu-system-settings [13:25] Chipaca: btw, I want to talk with you [13:25] when you have a moment [13:25] I need some info on Go [13:25] asac, so you see the system update available, and you see the progress bar briefly [13:25] then you get the dialog right? [13:25] asac, bug 1311365 and bug 1312587 [13:25] bug 1311365 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Double progress when updating system" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1311365 [13:25] bug 1312587 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Update downloading incorrectly presented as "Installing"" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312587 [13:25] Chipaca: but I'm stuck in meetings for the next two hours [13:26] Chipaca: just ping me when you have a moment, thanks! [13:26] Wellark: good :) i'm off to a meeting in 4', and then school run [13:26] Chipaca: ok. [13:26] we can talk tomorrow, too [13:26] as long as it happens before Washington :) [13:26] Chipaca: I have something that might interest you and the rest of Go writers [13:26] Wellark: ah, you're a couple of hours ahead of me [13:27] mpt, i do not understand bug 1311365 [13:27] Wellark: tomorrow morning works for me [13:27] bug 1311365 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Double progress when updating system" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1311365 [13:27] I'm UTC+3 [13:27] it's all one page... [13:27] kenvandine, the screenshot is pretty self-explanatory :-) [13:28] Wellark: hey. I've never tried rendering to an FBO, but I know it's possible. https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qquickwindow.html#setRenderTarget looks to be useful [13:28] mpt, but it's one page :) [13:28] ogra_: do you have the equivalent of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/lxc-android-config for krillin? [13:28] no system.img there [13:28] oh, that's kind of old [13:28] I see no mmcblk* in /dev under recovery [13:28] i bet that was fixed in seb128's UI refactoring [13:29] asac, sorry, I misread your complaint. You’re right, it’s a bug that you get prompted as soon as you arrive on the Updates screen. [13:29] cwayne: perhaps start with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8372336/ [13:30] And it isn’t reported, afaik [13:30] cwayne: (untested) [13:30] mpt: hmm. i think my complain is that you first get to the normal "download" screen, but dont see progress [13:30] then suddenly you get prompted [13:30] and then you sometimes end up in the grey screen [13:30] jdstrand: the only problem is i don't know how to get it to run that on the very first boot (which is the only place we're seeing an issue) [13:31] Wellark: that needs to be called from the render thread, so you need to make a DirectConnection to something like the QQuickWindow::beforeRendering() signal - so that code you write is called on the render thread [13:32] cwayne: when is /custom available? always? [13:32] jdstrand: yeah [13:32] Wellark: for more info on that, see https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtquick-visualcanvas-scenegraph.html#threaded-render-loop [13:33] cwayne: a first start might be 'rm -f /var/cache/apparmor/* && reboot' and see what happens [13:33] greyback: thanks! [13:33] asac, hmm, I don’t know what you mean by “the normal ‘download’ screen” [13:33] greyback: the real "tricky" part will be the input events [13:33] Wellark: input is always harder :) [13:33] cwayne: then paste /home/phablet.debug.out [13:33] /home/phablet/debug.out [13:33] jdstrand: i've done that many times and it always works as expected [13:34] i.e. diff shows no difference int he files [13:34] greyback: but scenegraph was design to allow QtQuick to be embedded to "alien" render systems [13:34] it's only on first boot that it is different somehow [13:34] back in the day when it was still a research project called Lighthouse [13:35] cwayne: are they different now? [13:35] Wellark: designed is a strong word for it :) It can be made work. You might want to look into the "RenderControl" - that's a private API (prublic in 5.4) which gives an external library control over Qt rendering [13:36] mpt: if i am in system settings. and i click on updates ... that screen has all the items taht get downloaded stacked and a progress bar [13:36] lool, just "mount /system (it is in the recovery fstabl) [13:36] jdstrand: i'd just done a fresh flash, so yep [13:36] Wellark: there's plenty of prior art with integrating QtQuick with other graphics libs. It integrates quite well with VTK for example [13:36] cwayne: can you run this command: [13:36] kenvandine: approved :) [13:36] greyback: well, Lighthouse was designed for it, maybe the vision got lost during transition to Scenegraph :) [13:36] for i in /custom/cache/apparmor /etc/apparmor.d/cache /var/cache/apparmor ; do echo "= $i =" ; for j in $i/* ; do echo -n "$j: " ; sudo apparmor_parser -B -r $j && echo pass || echo FAIL ; done ; done | grep FAIL [13:37] cwayne: actually drop the '| grep FAIL' off the end and paste the results [13:37] Wellark: this was a good talk on the topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfIaTccy6HQ [13:37] Elleo, thx! [13:37] jdstrand: i ran it first with the grep fail, does that taint the results at all? [13:38] no problem :) [13:38] cwayne: doesn't taint, just doesn't show as much as I'd like to see [13:38] jdstrand: when i ran it the second time: https://pastebin.canonical.com/117174/ [13:39] ok, so no failures (good) === john____ is now known as johnvt [13:39] Good morning, anyone around? [13:39] there might be a click system hook invocation involved [13:40] ogra_: updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing/lxc-android-config#preview [13:40] cwayne: yes, I bet it is click-system-hooks.conf [13:40] start on filesystem [13:40] task [13:40] exec /usr/bin/click hook run-system [13:40] I'm trying to do an offline install of Ubuntu Server 14.04 LTS but the only ISO I can find for it requires internet [13:40] hmm device doesn't boot anymore [13:40] laala [13:41] cwayne: apparmor start before lightdm, not start on filesystem [13:41] lool, misses a mkdir for mako [13:41] asac, it has one progress bar for each item that is downloading [13:41] Is there a way to install Ubuntu Server 14.04 LTS *without* network access? [13:41] Just a quick bare install [13:41] ogra_: does it? [13:41] greyback: thanks! the most important thing right now for is that by Washington I need to be able just to demonstrate it's feasible to run unity8 indicators on top of unity7 [13:41] lool, well, or make both use TARGET=/system [13:41] either will work [13:41] ogra_: does mount /system work on mako? [13:42] i think so [13:42] gosh I've broken my krillin's boot now [13:42] WTF [13:42] cwayne: so, you should adjust the upstart job to use: start on starting click-system-hooks [13:42] cwayne: instead [13:42] greyback: I will share the draft of the whitepaper with you as soon as I have it in decent shape and we can go through the details [13:43] I would really appreciate your input on it [13:43] Wellark / greyback: You might want to know that the lighthouse scene graph has no correlation to the Qt Quick scene graph === gnu is now known as Guest44759 [13:43] jdstrand: ah ok so we just weren't starting early enough [13:43] but then i wonder why it worked on subsequent reboots? [13:44] or does click-system-hooks only run once? [13:44] cwayne: but we should get rsalveti's input. I'm not very familiar with the early boot (system-image stuff, etc) [13:44] sletta: sure, lighthouse was first [13:44] they took the name at least :) [13:44] cwayne: on subsequent reboots, the clicks didn't change so there was nothing to redo [13:45] Bueller? [13:45] sletta: didn't lighthouse became the basis of QPA for Qt5 in the end? [13:45] jdstrand: ah, right, so start on starting apparmor was good enough in those cases [13:45] different lighthouse [13:45] Does anyone know if you can install 14.04 without network access? [13:45] cwayne: so the click-apparmor might've run, but nothing changed, so it didn't update the cache. then apparmor comes along later and creates the cache for the files that aren't there [13:46] jdstrand: ah, okay [13:46] cwayne: but, I'd like rsalveti's input [13:46] sletta: anyway, it's irrelevant for the present, but nice memories from the past :) [13:47] :) [13:48] rsalveti: so the custom-apparmor-cache job did work on first boot because it started after click-system-hooks. I suggested using 'start on starting click-system-hooks' instead. click-system-hooks uses 'start on filesystem'. do you see any problems? [13:48] sletta: I remember walking into a ordinary meeting [13:48] rsalveti: sorry, it didn't work on first boot [13:48] and being amazed that everyone walking in through the door were asked straight away to sign an extra NDA [13:48] even though we had full access already [13:48] it was clear that the news were going to be big [13:49] and then we were told that Nokia is acquiring Trolltech [13:49] the happiest day of my life [13:49] then again.. in a retro spect everything became quite bitter sweet [13:49] indeed :) [13:50] I was terrified that day, to be honest.. [13:50] but I grew to like it [13:51] sletta: well, I had been working on a team that did tehcnology demoes that utilized Qt for two years before the acqusition [13:51] so we were excited [13:51] as we had demonstrated the power of Qt multiple times over [13:51] it felt natural to us [13:52] and felt like the thing of the future and new times of prosperity [13:52] bitter sweet... [13:53] oh it was this channel, but anyway (just looked at my highlights window) [13:56] kenvandine, asac i've been looking at this too, but mostly in the context of testing si 2.4. i notice fewer odd things on image #47. note that the signals si-dbus sends hasn't changed, and the UpdateProgress signal is plumbed straight through from udm (except the initial 0,0 signal) [13:57] yes, i feel it got better [13:58] Just flashed the latest onto a mako - but I'm not getting any WiFi networks. Anyone else seeing that? [13:58] but its still not really good end user experience imo [13:59] asac, can you elaborate? [13:59] asac: the thing that bothers me is that the ui says "installing" when it's really downloading. it's only *really* installing the update when you click on "reboot and install" [14:01] mpt, Does the "Messages on Welcome Screen" setting effect the messaging menu? Or just "Notifications and quick settings" one? [14:02] i think it only affects the usermetrics (the stuff in the cycle) [14:02] (well, it did in the past, not sure how it changed since i last tried it) [14:03] charles: ping (request) [14:03] nik90, pong (response) [14:03] charles: hey would it be possible to take a screenshot of the alarm notification in https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-datetime/lp-1370594-refresh-notifications-to-match-design/+merge/235025 [14:03] charles: i reflashed my phone and don't have the packages anymore [14:04] nik90, sure, one minute [14:04]