[05:19] <Kilos> morning inetpro  Squirm  nuvolari  and others
[05:45] <Squirm> morning
[05:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[05:58] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:23] <Kilos> hi Cantide  
[06:23] <Cantide> hello :)
[06:58] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  with a basic package from you guys and domain name etc. can one then link if to a home server with lots of space
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure what you mean
[06:59] <Kilos> ya i need to think it out
[06:59] <Kilos> lets say we get a basic server from you
[06:59] <Kilos> then
[07:00] <Kilos> um
[07:01] <Kilos> can we move some of whatever is on the site to a local server and keep the basic package for emails etc
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you have a local server why not just use that
[07:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> still not really understanding what you are talking about
[07:03] <Kilos> well we needed domain name so you supplied that
[07:04] <Kilos> but local servers depend on dicey 3g internet and power cuts
[07:04] <Squirm> Kilos: a domain will cost you R75 a year
[07:04] <Kilos> so emails and important stuff will be better with you
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: sorry, still lost, i actually have no idea what you're on about
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> what is it you actually want?
[07:05] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:05] <Kilos> ian has domains i think with hetzner 
[07:06] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: does the simple plan come with a dns zone manager?
[07:06] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: I think Kilos wants to host a website on his local server, but host emails with Hetzner
[07:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> on a crazy expensive 3g connection?
[07:08] <Kilos> ya something like that Squirm  just all the software ian uses is over 10g i think so we would rahter keep all the storage stuff on a local server
[07:08] <Kilos> i still need more info from ian methinks but we both learning as we go
[07:09] <Squirm> Kilos: like ThatGraemeGuy says, it'll probably even be cheaper getting a bigger hosting package
[07:09] <Kilos> i think the website will be with hetzner
[07:09] <Kilos> finances are tight when starting a business from scratch
[07:10] <Kilos> thats why the basic package with hetzner
[07:10] <Squirm> it depends what you want to do...
[07:11] <Squirm> and afaik, you can't run a web server behind a 3G connection, because you don't have a dedicated IP address
[07:11] <Kilos> he wants to advertise products on a site he will build if he can find templates
[07:12] <Kilos> then the data stuff needed for the jobs must be on a local server
[07:12] <Kilos> sjoe this is hard to explain
[07:14] <Kilos> so if i run a server from here is 3g gonna mess with the ip of the server?
[07:15] <Kilos> but with the website at hetzner
[07:16] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:16] <Kilos> ok lets try this way
[07:17] <Kilos> if i install a server here can you not get into it through my 3g?
[07:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> you probably can
[07:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> but to be honest nobody in their right mind is going to do that
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> describe to be what a client of his would be doing on their side and how you imagine the hosting side works
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> s/be/me
[07:21] <Kilos> ok sec
[07:23] <Kilos> his clients will mainly be peeps who want to use his company to install and maintain their clocking machines
[07:24] <Kilos> and the products such as clock cards and so on must show on the site then they email him and he arranges to go install or supply
[07:25] <Kilos> i go take sheep out quick
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> what you have described is a pretty standard web hosting scenario. i don't understand what the problem is
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> you are probably not going to get that working on a R19/month home package though, you likely need a database for that kind of thing
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> but the basic business package is R99/month, which ought to be plenty for that sort of thing
[07:36] <Kilos> ok ty ill hear what he says
[07:42] <Kilos> hi spekko
[08:26] <Spekko> Hello Kilos
[08:41] <Kilos> sorry guys, 3g messing around
[08:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes, that's pretty much its default state ;-)
[08:55] <Kilos> lets see if unity behaves
[09:13] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[09:13] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[10:06] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:17] <Kilos> wbb
[10:28] <bduk1> More almal
[10:29] <Kilos> hi bduk1  hoe gaan dit
[10:29] <Kilos> waar is die mazal outjie?
[10:33] <bduk1> Hi Kilos  mag nie raas nie en daar?
[10:35] <Kilos> goed dankie
[10:35] <Squirm> hello
[10:57] <Squirm> ooh, lunch time
[13:00]  * Squirm yawns
[13:00] <Squirm> today isn't over yet :/
[13:22] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:45] <Kilos> hi Cantide  
[13:48] <Cantide> hi~
[13:50] <Kilos> big winds here today, even killing my 8ta connection
[13:50] <Cantide> :S
[13:50]  * Cantide stops farting
[13:51] <Cantide> sorry, butterfly effect
[13:51] <Kilos> lol
[13:51] <Kilos> first time ive had wind affect 8ta
[13:51] <Cantide> :p
[13:53] <Cantide> maybe a tower is swaying in the wind
[13:53] <Kilos> they kinda solid towers, maybe something has come loose here
[13:53] <Cantide> maybe...
[13:54]  * Cantide wishes he could share his connection with Kilos
[13:54] <Kilos> yeah me too
[13:54] <Kilos> hehe
[13:55] <Cantide> :D
[13:55] <Cantide> it's just 10 Mbps
[13:55] <Cantide> not enough for everyone~ sorry~
[13:55] <Kilos> thats good
[13:55] <Kilos> better than 3g
[13:56] <Cantide> yeah
[13:56] <Cantide> the best is that it's uncapped
[13:56] <Cantide> that makes a huge difference
[13:56] <Kilos> yeah thats a major selling point
[13:56] <Cantide> i can sit and watch youtube for hours
[13:57] <Kilos> only uncapped thing out here is the wind
[13:57] <Cantide> or just download stuff when i need it - no need to keep it on my drive
[13:57] <Kilos> thats lekker
[13:58] <Cantide> yeah...
[13:58] <Cantide> welcome to Korea :D
[13:58] <Kilos> haha
[13:59] <Cantide> my brother has fibre in Japan...
[13:59] <Cantide> it's amazing...
[13:59] <Cantide> but my connection just came with my apartment (no extra fee) so i didn't bother trying to get a faster one
[13:59] <Kilos> yeah there are actually areas here that are paying for and installing their own ftth
[14:00] <Cantide> yeah~ i've heard of that
[14:00] <Cantide> it's the only way
[14:00] <Cantide> government is doing nothing
[14:00] <Kilos> if you can watch youtube vids without needing to buffer then its good enough
[14:00] <Cantide> agreed
[14:01] <Cantide> sometimes i download a movie to watch
[14:01] <Cantide> takes a while if i download an hd movie
[14:01] <Cantide> would be nice if it were faster
[14:02] <Cantide> only for those cases :p
[14:02] <Cantide> so i don't have to wait :D
[14:02] <Kilos> lol you are spoiled
[14:02] <Kilos> spoilt
[14:02] <Cantide> :D
[14:03] <Cantide> i also suffered with African 3G less than a year ago
[14:03] <Kilos> yeah but since i changed to 8ta i havent had many probs
[14:04] <Cantide> yeah :D 8ta is nice
[14:04] <Cantide> especially if you get those bundles
[14:04] <Kilos> today is a very bad day it seems. cold front coming up fast
[14:07] <Cantide> i thought winter had ended there...
[14:07] <Kilos> ya but sometimes you get late bad cold spells
[14:07] <Kilos> this looks like one of them
[14:08] <Cantide> maybe it's the final one
[14:08] <Kilos> lets hope
[14:09] <Kilos> wbb just wanna restart nm
[14:10] <Cantide> wb
[14:15] <Kilos-> ty
[16:00] <charl> good evening
[16:00] <Kilos> hi charl  
[16:00] <charl> hi Kilos 
[16:00] <charl> how are you doing
[16:00] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[16:00]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[16:01] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[16:01] <Kilos> im installing server here on spare pc but lost with all the choices of stuff to choose
[16:01] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[16:01] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[16:01] <Kilos> Maaz  large
[16:01] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[16:02] <Kilos> Maaz  grandpas please
[16:02] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[16:02] <Kilos> oi
[16:02] <Kilos> Maaz  grandpa
[16:02] <Maaz> Kilos: grandpa is for headaches
[16:02] <Kilos> Maaz  grandpa please
[16:02] <Maaz> Kilos: Excuse me?
[16:02] <Kilos> ai!
[16:04] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[16:04] <Kilos> what additional packages must i tick to install
[16:05] <Kilos> Maaz  thanks
[16:05] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[16:08] <charl> i'm good thanks
[16:08] <charl>  it depends on what you want to do
[16:08] <charl> what are you looking to do with the server ?
[16:08] <Kilos> i have no idea
[16:09] <Kilos> maybe use it to store stuff that can be fetched online from other pcs
[16:09] <Kilos> so will need it to have a recognisable ip or something
[16:10] <Kilos> i have the server guide but dont know what all the stuff means or does
[16:11] <Kilos> like openssh server what is that
[16:11] <charl> openssh server is if you want to get into the machine remotely using ssh
[16:11] <Kilos> Maaz  define openssh server
[16:11] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't have a definition for that. Is it even a word?
[16:11] <charl> openssh is the world standard implementation of the ssh protocol both for client and server
[16:11] <Kilos> ok so that i must have
[16:11] <charl> it comes out of the openbsd crowd actually, founded by a ex-south african
[16:11] <charl> if you want a file server, probably openssh server and samba
[16:11] <Kilos> i like the ssh bit
[16:12] <charl> you can also mount filesystems remotely over ssh using sshfs
[16:12] <charl> so actually you only need openssh server
[16:12] <Kilos> and what is dns server
[16:12] <charl> but if you for example want to access files from other places like, i dunno, a windows machine, many android "smart" tvs, etc, you need samba
[16:12] <charl> you probably don't need your own dns server
[16:12] <charl> unless you are an isp or something similar
[16:13] <charl> dns is to resolve hostnames into ip addresses
[16:13] <Kilos> it asked me to enter a domain name
[16:13] <charl> but you probably already have that from your isp as it is
[16:13] <charl> i think the default for your own local setup is "localdomain" or something similar
[16:13] <Kilos> so i added miles.org
[16:13] <charl> or simply "local"
[16:13] <Kilos> hehe
[16:13] <charl> you could add anything you want, just remember you can create problems if there really does exist a miles.org and it doesn't belong to you
[16:13] <Kilos> i want to access it from other pcs too
[16:14] <charl> create problems for you i mean, not for them
[16:14] <charl> you will probably need to give it a static ip address on your lan
[16:14] <charl> i assume you use nat routing
[16:14] <Kilos> oh ya i didnt think of that
[16:14] <Kilos> i gave it an ip
[16:15] <Kilos> i think i installed 10.10 server some years back but it didnt have all the stuff 14.04 has
[16:16] <Kilos> ok what would i choose if i want to put a website on it
[16:16] <Kilos> is that right
[16:16] <Kilos> website is on the web
[16:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:16] <charl> eh
[16:16] <charl> you want to run your own web server, at home ?
[16:16] <Kilos> i want to try yes
[16:16] <charl> that is of course completely possible, but what type of internet connection do you have? do you have static ip addresses from your isp?
[16:16] <charl> if not you will need to use dynamic dns
[16:17] <charl> and if you have a nat router you will need to configure port forwarding as well
[16:17] <charl> i've done it many years back when i still used to run my own stuff at home but it's what we call "ghetto hosting"
[16:17] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:17] <charl> and of course you will also probably need to get a domain from somewhere
[16:18] <charl> you can get free domains from za nic (.za.net and .za.org) but then you also need to sort out your own nameservers
[16:18] <charl> there are some options for free nameservers like from hurricane electric
[16:18] <charl> but it's all a LOT of work
[16:18] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:20] <Kilos> im so upset , i ordered a 1TB drive and the supplier said first thing in the morning. then said their shipment of drives and other pc imports was misplaced by the couriers and theyve spent all day trying to find it
[16:20] <Kilos> sigh
[16:20] <Kilos> murphy
[16:23] <charl> bah
[16:23] <charl> ok i need to be off again
[16:23] <charl> ciao
[17:55] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:39] <magespawn> good evening
[18:39] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[18:39] <magespawn> howdy Kerbero 
[18:39] <magespawn> whoops
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:39] <magespawn> howdy Kilos 
[18:40] <magespawn> tab complete too quickly
[18:40] <Kilos> lol
[19:13] <Joe_knock> hmmmm
[19:13] <Joe_knock> testing
[19:13] <Joe_knock> Maaz: Hi
[19:14]  * Maaz waves to Joe_knock
[19:15] <Joe_knock> Maaz: ping
[19:15] <Maaz> Joe_knock: pong
[19:15] <Joe_knock> Maaz: hi
[19:15] <Maaz> Sup Joe_knock
[19:15] <Joe_knock> Maaz: tea
[19:15] <Maaz> Joe_knock: tea is a brew made from a tea bush from ceylon
[19:15] <Kilos> hi Joe_knock  
[19:16] <Kilos> ai!
[19:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:17] <Joe_knock> I dunno oom. Dis nie reg nie.
[19:18] <Kilos> praat met erry op #freenode sy sal jou kan se wat die fout is
[19:18] <Kilos> of een van die ander ops ook
[19:35] <Joe_knock> Hmmm
[19:35] <Joe_knock> Maaz: test
[19:35] <Maaz> Joe_knock: What?
[19:37] <Kilos> Joe_knock  change you nick and see
[19:37] <Kilos> ive asked there for help but no reply yet
[19:52] <Kilos>   /set irc_who_join off OR /set irc_who_join off
[19:53] <Kilos> haha
[19:53] <Kilos> fixed?
[19:53] <Joe_knock> ek hoop so Oom. Ek wag om haar te se hoeveel channels ek moet join op startup.
[19:53] <Kilos> she is very helpful that lady
[19:54] <Kilos> daar is seker nie n perk nie net solank xchat nie daai who ding stuur nie
[19:55] <Kilos> soos hier sal dit probeer om vir jou 29 nicks gee
[19:55] <Kilos> thereby flooding your client
[19:56] <Kilos> well sounds like it is a plausable explanation i think
[19:57] <magespawn> good night all 
[19:58] <Joe_knock> I still dont understand the WHO thing. What info on the 29 people is it giving me?
[19:58] <Kilos> night magespawn  
[19:58] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:58] <Kilos> most likely who is here Joe_knock  
[19:59] <Joe_knock> hulle se ek moet hexchat geburik and frankly, xchat is kak.
[19:59] <Kilos> maybe similar to the /whois command
[19:59] <Kilos> ek gebruik ook hexchat want xchat support nie meer nie
[20:00] <Kilos> you can use konversation too it will just need to get a pile of kde packages as well
[20:02] <Joe_knock> KDE is too bloated for my old workstation. Ek kan sien vir die .deb of hexchat. dit is nie in software centre. Kan jy op saterdag by software freedom day kom?
[20:02] <Kilos> and you can configure konversation to look like hexchat and xchat'
[20:02] <Kilos> watter release het jy daar?
[20:03] <Kilos> the kde gui is a bit heavy ya
[20:03] <Kilos> maar net conversation of quassel by hoort nie veel skade te doen nie
[20:04] <Joe_knock> xubuntu 12.04
[20:04] <Kilos> o Joe_knock  daar is ook weechat
[20:05] <Kilos> dit het my n ruk gevat om dit op te stel maar was gelukkig want toe was maiatoday nog hier
[20:05] <Kilos> dit is baie lig in die broek
[20:06] <Kilos> that means lightweight i think
[20:06] <Joe_knock> lol. kom jy vir software freedom day op saterdag?
[20:10] <Kilos> nee man ek het ou man prob so gaan nie ver van toilet nie
[20:10] <Kilos> hehe
[20:16] <Joe_knock> lol. het jy diabetes?
[20:16] <Kilos> nee prostaat prob
[20:16] <Joe_knock> aah okay. Hope you get better oom.
[20:17] <Kilos> dis al n paar jaar nou, en al oplossing is om die ding te laat sny en ek bang ons hospitale
[20:18] <Kilos> maar ek gaan aan ok hier op die plot
[20:19] <Joe_knock> hoe oud is jy oom?
[20:19] <Kilos> 63 ek dink
[20:19] <Kilos> ja
[20:21] <Joe_knock> lol. So you've lived through quite a bit. 
[20:21] <Kilos> hahaha ya and still going
[20:22] <Kilos> been to the happy hunting grounds and got chased back
[20:22] <Joe_knock> bly jy in GP? 
[20:22] <Kilos> ja wes van pta
[20:23] <Kilos> op pad na brits
[20:23] <Joe_knock> oh ja. ek wonder hoekom mense in slaapstad bly. daar is nie teveel dat gebeur in daardie groot stad nie. Maybe it's the city for city-dwellers who like being alone.
[20:24] <Kilos> hehe
[20:29] <Kilos> good luck with the yoyoing Joe_knock  
[20:29] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[20:30] <Joe_knock> Kilos: ek doen n build vir hexchat.
[20:30] <Joe_knock> good night. 
[20:30] <Kilos> oh ok
[20:30] <Kilos> ek weet nie hoekom het hulle opgehou om xchat te support nie
[20:31] <Kilos> maar hexchat is amper die selle
[20:32] <Kilos> as jy nog nie gelukkig is nie kan ons weechat insit en ek sal saam met jou deur dit werk as ek kan onthou wat was wat
[20:32] <Kilos> lekker slaap