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| harmw | smoser: ready for new release? | 17:40 |
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| smoser | :) | 17:40 |
| smoser | dont' you avhe something else to do on friday night then bother me | 17:40 |
| harmw | forgive me for asking so often, I'm just eager to submit that fbsd port | 17:40 |
| harmw | hehe | 17:40 |
| smoser | you are completely justified there, harmw | 17:44 |
| * hiren_ likes harmw's persistence ;-) | 18:02 | |
| harmw | lol | 18:02 |
| harmw | yea | 18:02 |
| harlowja | damn i must of missed an important conversation, lol | 18:45 |
| harmw | dont you always | 18:45 |
| harlowja | i think so :-P | 18:45 |
| harlowja_ | of course right when i say that my thunderbolt crap cable comes undone, lol | 18:46 |
| harlowja_ | thats what i don't like about the cable, it doesn't hold itself in, lol | 18:46 |
| harlowja_ | stupid apple | 18:46 |
| harmw | :p | 18:47 |
| harmw | harlowja_: how sucky is the Y! cloud? | 19:03 |
| harlowja_ | lol | 19:03 |
| harlowja_ | define sucky | 19:04 |
| harlowja_ | lol | 19:04 |
| harlowja_ | define parameters to be sucky | 19:04 |
| harlowja_ | haha | 19:04 |
| harmw | hiren_'s having a hard time getting cirros up and running | 19:04 |
| harlowja_ | hmmm, not sure, haven't heard what he's doing | 19:04 |
| hiren_ | harlowja_: in our internal n/w | 19:04 |
| harlowja_ | well shouldn't be that hard, idk how well cirros supports config drive | 19:04 |
| harlowja_ | if it don't support config drive, then it may not work :-P | 19:04 |
| harmw | isn't there a normal metadataservice? | 19:05 |
| harlowja_ | nope | 19:05 |
| harlowja_ | just config-drive (until we revist that debate) | 19:06 |
| harlowja_ | our security team didn't want a channel from VM -> controller layer | 19:06 |
| harmw | jeez | 19:06 |
| hiren_ | http://dpaste.com/184H91R | 19:06 |
| harlowja_ | and metadata service is one such channel | 19:06 |
| harmw | wankers | 19:06 |
| harlowja_ | ya, i tried fighting that, i gave up | 19:06 |
| JayF | Doing a metadata service in a secure and multitenant way is not an easy task :) | 19:07 |
| harlowja_ | config-drive is nice and read-only, no two way channel... | 19:07 |
| JayF | putting an ISO partition on a VM/disk is super easy :) | 19:07 |
| harmw | so true | 19:07 |
| harlowja_ | right, thats partially why its very attractive for security scaredfolks | 19:07 |
| JayF | harlowja_: actually, you can put ConfigDrives in vfat according to the spec | 19:07 |
| harlowja_ | ya, vfat, iso9660 | 19:07 |
| JayF | harlowja_: so it doesn't have to be r/o... although we implement it as an iso9660 | 19:07 |
| harlowja_ | right | 19:07 |
| harlowja_ | well r/w it will still be a local thing | 19:07 |
| harlowja_ | r/o is just more of an optimization | 19:08 |
| harlowja_ | so hiren_ the following seems odd | 19:08 |
| harlowja_ | cp: write error: No space left on device | 19:08 |
| harlowja_ | cp: write error: No space left on device | 19:08 |
| harlowja_ | cp: write error: No space left on device | 19:08 |
| harlowja_ | cp: write error: No space left on device | 19:08 |
| harlowja_ | failed to copy results from configdrive to /run/cirros/datasource | 19:08 |
| harlowja_ | :-/ | 19:08 |
| harlowja_ | that would seem to be an issue, lol | 19:08 |
| hiren_ | heh yeah | 19:08 |
| harmw | :) | 19:08 |
| hiren_ | brb. | 19:09 |
| harmw | harlowja_: there is dhcp or did they skip that as well? | 19:09 |
| harlowja_ | not for vms | 19:09 |
| harlowja_ | for the existing way baremetal is deployed, it uses dhcp | 19:10 |
| harlowja_ | and pxeboot | 19:10 |
| harmw | so they must get their config from configdrive, right? | 19:10 |
| harlowja_ | yes | 19:10 |
| harmw | hmk | 19:10 |
| harmw | interesting | 19:11 |
| * harlowja_ we'll move over to ironic which afaik has a similar dhcp, pxeboot, ipmi as the thing we already have (people are shifting from that team to ironic) | 19:11 | |
| harlowja_ | JayF will get a bunch of new iroinc friends (besides rloo) | 19:11 |
| harlowja_ | soon enough, ha | 19:11 |
| harmw | :P | 19:11 |
| JayF | You guys going to use ipa? | 19:11 |
| harmw | ipa? | 19:11 |
| harlowja_ | unsure | 19:11 |
| harlowja_ | JayF probably, although i'm not that in touch with all that stuff, haha | 19:12 |
| harmw | whats ipa :) | 19:12 |
| JayF | ironic-python-agent | 19:12 |
| harmw | ah | 19:12 |
| JayF | the newest, sexiest deploy driver for ironic | 19:12 |
| JayF | :P | 19:12 |
| harmw | lol k | 19:12 |
| harmw | i'm still clueless when it comes to ironic :p | 19:12 |
| * harlowja_ mostly me too, ha | 19:12 | |
| harlowja_ | can't be everywhere :-P | 19:12 |
| harmw | :p | 19:13 |
| harlowja_ | y! will likely have to figure out a different mechanism than config-drive for ironic stuff though, something like maybe what JayF and folks have done (writing the config-drive on the main disk) | 19:13 |
| harlowja_ | attaching a cd isn't gonna work, lol | 19:13 |
| harlowja_ | or maybe we'll revisit that whole networking metadata webservice debate | 19:14 |
| harmw | :) | 19:14 |
| JayF | Dude, we already have it handled | 19:14 |
| harlowja_ | even better, ha | 19:14 |
| harmw | smoser: did that configdrive change for fbsd got merged yet? from raginbajin? | 19:14 |
| smoser | i dont think so. | 19:15 |
| smoser | there was some work to still dothere. | 19:15 |
| JayF | harlowja_: Yeah, I am not sure if it's fully upstreamed, but it works entirely and we'll help you get it working if you need :) | 19:15 |
| harmw | hm ok, | 19:15 |
| JayF | harlowja_: nova is the one who generates teh configdrive... it just gets passed through ironic, to the agent, into the drive | 19:15 |
| harmw | well I need it to test with configdrive, since Y! apparently requires/uses that | 19:15 |
| harlowja_ | JayF ya, that seems nutty :-P | 19:15 |
| JayF | harlowja_: we just create a small partition at the end of the disk, and write it out | 19:15 |
| harlowja_ | to much passing of crap around, lol | 19:15 |
| JayF | harlowja_: that's the Openstack Way(tm) | 19:15 |
| harlowja_ | :( | 19:15 |
| smoser | for ocnfig-drive on bare metal... | 19:16 |
| JayF | harlowja_: in our original implementation, the agent built the iso :( | 19:16 |
| harlowja_ | JayF why doesn't nova just pass the data that is the config-drive to ironic | 19:16 |
| harlowja_ | seems saner | 19:16 |
| smoser | my opinion is that long term, nova (or deployer, whatever) has to be *very* stupid. | 19:16 |
| harlowja_ | then passing a binary disk | 19:16 |
| smoser | and just dd stuff to the first disk | 19:16 |
| smoser | and then look for a partition on that disk named "config-drive" or re-use the EFI partition or something | 19:16 |
| smoser | and write the data in there. | 19:16 |
| smoser | in that way, the image is smart | 19:17 |
| JayF | harlowja_: because Nova is used to just writing it out itself | 19:17 |
| smoser | and tine installer is dumb | 19:17 |
| harlowja_ | sux | 19:17 |
| smoser | and you have a standard. | 19:17 |
| JayF | smoser: that's pretty similar to what ipa does | 19:17 |
| harlowja_ | nova's like an old grandpa or something, lol | 19:17 |
| smoser | sort of similar. | 19:17 |
| smoser | but ipa (i think) has to know how to "make it boot". ? | 19:17 |
| JayF | smoser: puts an image on a disk, looks for a partition labelled 'config-2', if it exists, we dd the configdrive into that partition, if not, we create it at the end of the disk | 19:17 |
| JayF | smoser: the bootloader is entirely in the image | 19:17 |
| smoser | it dd the disk ? | 19:17 |
| JayF | yeah | 19:18 |
| smoser | including the partition table ? | 19:18 |
| JayF | let me link you the code | 19:18 |
| JayF | yeahhh | 19:18 |
| smoser | nice. | 19:18 |
| JayF | now we'll have to support the partition-images eventually | 19:18 |
| smoser | yeah, that is theo nly way you can actually accomplish secureboot | 19:18 |
| JayF | bceause --preserve-ephemeral (hate) | 19:18 |
| smoser | meh | 19:18 |
| smoser | partition images dont have to be supported. | 19:18 |
| JayF | but I would not use it :) | 19:18 |
| JayF | smoser: tell that to Devananda, hahaha | 19:18 |
| smoser | its just not scalable. | 19:18 |
| smoser | it means that the installer has to know information about the things its installing | 19:19 |
| JayF | smoser: https://github.com/openstack/ironic-python-agent/blob/master/ironic_python_agent/shell/write_image.sh + https://github.com/openstack/ironic-python-agent/blob/master/ironic_python_agent/shell/copy_configdrive_to_disk.sh | 19:19 |
| smoser | --preserve-ephemeral could just be "i write as many blocks as are in the image. no more , no less" | 19:19 |
| smoser | you want presevation of data then keep the thing i'm writing small. | 19:20 |
| JayF | I'm not sure I agree, but I also hate the same feature you hate which is funny | 19:20 |
| harlowja_ | haters gonna hate | 19:20 |
| smoser | where is /tmp ? | 19:20 |
| smoser | is that dis ? | 19:20 |
| JayF | smoser: that code runs from inside the ramdisk agent | 19:20 |
| smoser | and why do you "erase mbr from device?" | 19:20 |
| smoser | so qemu-img convert -O raw $IMAGEFILE /tmp | 19:21 |
| JayF | puts it into the disk :) | 19:21 |
| JayF | er, into ram | 19:21 |
| smoser | means that you have enough ram to contain the entire contents of the disk? | 19:21 |
| JayF | yeah, right now | 19:21 |
| JayF | we want to make that stream eventually | 19:21 |
| smoser | good thing most people have way more ram than disk space | 19:21 |
| smoser | oh wait | 19:21 |
| smoser | :) | 19:21 |
| JayF | heh | 19:21 |
| JayF | in this case? every server it's running on | 19:21 |
| JayF | has at least as much disk as ram | 19:21 |
| JayF | in 2/3 cases it's less disk than ram | 19:22 |
| JayF | (for the OnMetal case specifically) | 19:22 |
| smoser | curtin reads tar file extracts to stdout | dd of=/dev/foo | 19:22 |
| JayF | yeah qemu-convert doesn't output to stdout | 19:22 |
| JayF | if it did I would've done something like that | 19:22 |
| smoser | well, you dont have to support a silly format :) | 19:22 |
| JayF | someone is working on vhd support, which I think that whole bucket of things will get refactored | 19:22 |
| smoser | (and i fully realize i tell everyone they have to support qcow2) | 19:22 |
| JayF | It is what it is man :) We're making it better, but it works now, and it works pretty reliably | 19:23 |
| JayF | I have trouble finding too much fault with working software :P | 19:23 |
| smoser | yeah. | 19:23 |
| smoser | oh. | 19:23 |
| smoser | fyi, qemu-img convert -O raw http://foo.bar/my-image /dev/sda | 19:23 |
| smoser | that requires seek support in the http server | 19:24 |
| smoser | but works otherwise. | 19:24 |
| JayF | while this is a shitty answer for purposes of open source | 19:24 |
| JayF | when we implemented it, we found it was much faster do convert, then dd | 19:24 |
| JayF | because we could set dd options that made imaging on our satadoms much faster | 19:24 |
| smoser | yeah. realistically you need to just fix the image format | 19:24 |
| smoser | why did you get an image format in qcow2? | 19:24 |
| harlowja_ | O raw http://foo.bar/my-image /dev/sda would be neat if nova hosted the image | 19:24 |
| JayF | this was when this was still teeth-agent not ironic-python-agent yet | 19:24 |
| smoser | that doesn't make any sense. | 19:24 |
| harlowja_ | or ironic/nova | 19:25 |
| JayF | smoser: I don't know man :) that was a long time ago | 19:25 |
| JayF | harlowja_: right now we only support images from swift temp urls | 19:25 |
| JayF | harlowja_: so it's already a direct download | 19:25 |
| harlowja_ | cool | 19:25 |
| smoser | so the easiest solution is to fix the producer of the images to create something that streams. | 19:25 |
| harlowja_ | except for non-swift users, haha | 19:25 |
| JayF | Well yeah man, we made it work for our case | 19:25 |
| JayF | and now the gaps get filled in as ironic gets more upstream support | 19:25 |
| harlowja_ | wfm | 19:25 |
| JayF | the agent has support for probably a half dozen things that won't land until k | 19:26 |
| harlowja_ | sounds like openstack | 19:26 |
| harlowja_ | lol | 19:26 |
| harlowja_ | reminds me gotta get my plane tickets | 19:28 |
| harlowja_ | smoser u going to paris? | 19:28 |
| * JayF will be in paris | 19:29 | |
| JayF | we should have a cloud-init design thinger one evening | 19:29 |
| harlowja_ | sure | 19:29 |
| smoser | i will. | 19:29 |
| smoser | we should. | 19:29 |
| smoser | i was wanting to say we shoudl have a hack fest or somethign. | 19:30 |
| JayF | I mean, my brain will be mush, almost certainly | 19:30 |
| harlowja_ | i'm up for either | 19:30 |
| harlowja_ | we can have pow wow | 19:32 |
| harmw | Paris is first week of november, right? | 19:33 |
| smoser | yeah. | 19:33 |
| harmw | sad that's not an option though | 19:33 |
| smoser | i go from paris (openstack) to re:invent (aws) | 19:33 |
| harmw | cool | 19:33 |
| smoser | harmw, :-( | 19:33 |
| harmw | yea well, it's my first week at $newjob | 19:33 |
| harmw | so not wise to jump in plane instead of meating $newppl :P | 19:34 |
| harlowja_ | meat them | 19:34 |
| harlowja_ | haha | 19:34 |
| harlowja_ | those meatbags | 19:34 |
| harmw | lol | 19:34 |
| harmw | damn | 19:34 |
| harlowja_ | :) | 19:34 |
| harmw | thats probably the most lame typo ever | 19:34 |
| harmw | nice, Jenkins finaly archived my 3 shiny cirros images | 20:09 |
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