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diddledanfirst result in00:29
diddledanyes: 46%; no: 54%00:30
skellatOut of what portion reporting?00:33
diddledanturnout?00:33
skellatWhat percent of voting territory00:34
diddledandonno. it's 1 ward out of 3200:34
skellatThat works00:34
skellatStill way early00:34
diddledanbut they're all differently sized so you can't say that's 1/32 of the electorate00:34
diddledanthey're suggesting the final result will be known by three to four hours time00:35
popey\o/ Jabber00:43
MattJJabber \o/00:43
MattJIt's too late to do that to me00:43
MattJor early00:43
popeyhehe00:58
diddledansecond result in01:02
diddledanwaiting on the % calc but it's a hefty no01:02
diddledanyes: 33%; no: 67%01:03
popeyquite a difference01:03
diddledanthey're saying the constituency was pretty much guaranteed to vote no ahead of time01:03
diddledanwith 2 declared, it's yes: 42%; no: 58%01:04
diddledananother 30 to go01:04
diddledanI gotta get some sleep - nn01:13
vetmananybody alive?01:34
DJonesOops, First person to but iphone 6 in Perth dropped it on tv http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/131043-first-person-to-buy-iphone-6-drops-it-on-camera-d-oh-video07:41
SuperMatthttp://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2898-ubuntu-utopic-unicorn-release-party/ BOOM08:01
foobarrysurprised at the oracle news. everybody knows you can't hurd catz08:16
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:16
ujjainwhat is o2 priority?08:17
ujjaina members-only area with discounts for o2 users?08:17
diplopretty muc ujjain08:18
Myrttiyup08:18
diplomuch*08:18
ujjaincan somebody log in and see if the nexus 7 32gb is on promotion?08:18
diploCan stick an O2 sim card in your phone, install the app and then go back to your original and it still works08:18
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brobostigonirssi crashed last night, and totally died, amazing.08:30
foobarryi get that semi regularly08:34
brobostigonmaybe its a script i have installed?08:35
foobarrywhy do i get u1 notifications (u1 will be shutting down) when i removed it all?08:38
Myrttiyeah I don't get that either08:43
awilkinsI think I moved all the U1 music out into my main music collection anyway08:44
awilkinsHell, at least it wasn't U2 music  ;-D08:45
foobarryhow much is a new ihpone off-contract?08:53
brobostigonsomething like £500 maybe more.08:54
foobarrywow.08:54
foobarryif only poor people knew about the other phones you can buy08:55
brobostigonapple make insane amounts of profit per device.08:55
foobarryhence beats08:55
JamesTaitfoobarry, http://askubuntu.com/questions/484328/how-do-i-stop-ubuntu-one-from-telling-me-its-file-service-will-be-shutting-down might help.08:56
brobostigonfoobarry: people do know about other options, and i am sure most people understand, that most I-devices are meaningless fashion statements, and not always much else.08:57
foobarryJamesTait: thanks. beginning to think i did the package removal at home and not at work08:57
JamesTaitfoobarry, `sudo apt-get autoremove --purge python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol` appears to be the magical command.08:59
Laneycan't we do an update that stops those messages?09:00
LaneyAFAIK u1 is gone gone gone by now09:00
foobarryyep, i did a remove at home only09:00
JamesTaitIt is, but IIRC the U1 client isn't in Trusty at all.09:00
JamesTaitI don't know enough about packaging, really, but maybe we could do a "Dummy transitional package" that just removes all the code?09:02
* JamesTait realises what day it is.09:02
* JamesTait checks.09:03
awilkinsFriday 19th?09:03
JamesTaitYaaarrrr!09:03
foobarrylet's all laugh at scotland day?09:03
awilkinsIt not be International Talk Like a Pirate day, Jimlad?09:04
JamesTaitYaaarrr, ye be right there, awilkins. :)09:04
JamesTaitYo ho ho, 'n' shiver me timbers! 'appy Friday 'n' 'appy Talk Like a Pirate Day!  Yaaarrr! :-D09:07
* davmor2 makes JamesTait walk the plank09:08
JamesTaitdavmor2, surely ye mean launchpad?09:09
davmor2JamesTait: yaaarrrrr! Walk the Launchpad it'll take longer and be more painful09:11
foobarrydid i answer this correctly? http://i.imgur.com/tg79jZc.png09:20
popeyhah, they're bastards when they do that09:24
popeytick tick tick, ooh! no!09:25
foobarrystill not sure if its correct09:25
foobarrywas unsolicited named spam. not sure if i got scanned at a show or something09:25
Myrttibah.09:27
Myrttiour tp-link had decided to just silently disable 5GHz wlan.09:27
Myrttisilly technology09:28
davmor2JamesTait: As you wish......that's talking like a pirate right?10:06
davmor2Myrtti: stick dd-wrt on it or open-wrt10:06
JamesTaitdavmor2, don't pirates talk about warez and torrents and things?10:07
davmor2JamesTait: Inconceivable10:07
davmor2JamesTait: I thought most of them spoke Somali10:08
foobarryo365 is worse than useless. cannot even bulk select more than about 10 emails at once10:12
foobarryand when you scroll down, the screen doesn't refresh the email list10:12
popey( ͡°╭͜ʖ╮͡° )10:15
* popey ♥ Unicode10:17
foobarryi can't use o666 on my phone either10:17
foobarrybecause it requires admin privs to run the activesync. (zimbra server did not require this for activesync)10:18
foobarryhence an incompetent user or sysadmin can wipe the entire device10:18
awilkinso365 requires ActiveSync?10:20
awilkinsBlurrrgh10:20
foobarryyesh10:21
awilkinsI shun ActiveSync because our sysadmin requires the power to nuke my phone from orbit and control my camera usage10:21
foobarryoh, i tried imap and my phones data plan got used up in a day10:21
awilkinsEven if they don't use it, they get get stuffed10:21
awilkinsFor the "convenience" of people being able to pester me via email on my phone, it seems overkill10:22
foobarryi checked the helpdesk tickets10:22
foobarrystudents have wiped their phone by mistake10:23
awilkinsI liked my N900 because it had an ActiveSync connector that ignored such commands from the server10:23
foobarrythe whole thing10:23
awilkinsThen ICT got wise to this and refused to let me use it10:23
DJonesAlanBell: This might be of interest to you & TheOpenSourcerer (along with danfish if he was here) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/19/open_source_nhs/10:26
foobarryMotorola Moto G..." has been dispatched10:31
foobarry\o/10:31
Myrttinew or old?10:32
foobarryold was better choice for me10:32
foobarryprefer the screen size and the price10:33
foobarryand is a trusted model10:33
foobarryif the new one had 4g is would be tempted10:34
ujjain http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/harddrives-internal/solidstate/120gbto200gb/ssdsc2cw120a310.html10:35
ujjaincheap!10:35
awilkinsYeah, flash storage is getting cheaper... I think that's stock that's going out of fashion10:35
awilkinsI have one of the 180GB ones in an enclosure and it's very nice10:36
foobarrywhat's the rules about registering an official channel in freenode?10:43
popeyDave2: ^10:47
foobarryhmm i think you have to be a subreddit moderator10:47
foobarryfor a #reddit-blah chan10:47
Myrttifoobarry: http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#channelownership10:47
Myrttior do it in snoonet10:47
foobarryMyrtti: snoonet is a different irc network?10:48
Myrttiyup10:48
christelyeah, it's where reddit officially moved to when they decided they didn't like us! :)10:49
foobarryoh i didn't know that10:49
foobarrystuff that.10:49
foobarryircnet+freenode is enough for me10:49
foobarryi lost ops on my ## chan and there's a lurker who never goes away10:50
foobarryso i can't regain ops10:50
salmantinohello you all11:27
davmor2salmantino: hello11:28
davmor2christel: how could they not like you :)11:29
salmantinoOne possible cliente told me that he is thinking that one of their employees is giving industry secrets using a chat11:29
salmantinoI was thing using whireshark for captring traffic11:30
salmantinobut I will need to manage big cap files11:30
salmantinoI wonder if someone knows a tool to captura only chat traffic11:31
foobarrywhat sort of chat11:31
salmantinohe told me that saw an explorer windows with de skype logo11:32
salmantinoso I think that probably is de webskype11:32
salmantinobut of couser is not 100% sure11:33
awilkinsSkype is encrypted11:33
awilkinsEven if you can cap his streams, it just proves he had a big chat11:33
salmantinoinstalling something in his computer is not possible?11:34
foobarryyes11:34
foobarrya keylogged11:34
salmantinoor a man in the middle in the network?11:34
foobarrya keylogger11:34
awilkinsMan in the middle will only work for things like XMPP over SSL11:35
foobarryphysical device to sit between kayboard and pc11:35
MattJXMPP \o/11:35
foobarrybut u will need highest approval for that kind of activity11:35
davmor2salmantino: just stick a video camera behind them11:35
awilkinsfoobarry, Keylogger isn't useful if he's cutting and pasting industry secrets11:35
christelhow very ethical of the employer11:35
* awilkins has an employer that feeds all our VoIP calls through a SIGINT program11:36
foobarryhttps://www.keelog.com/11:36
davmor2keylogger isn't useful if he talks about it on skype11:36
foobarryyes it is11:36
foobarryah "talks"11:36
foobarryvoice call or typing?11:36
awilkinsKeylogger doesn't help for cut & paste11:36
salmantinoI thing that is typing11:36
awilkinsAll you'd cap is "ctrl-C"  ... "ctrl-V"11:37
salmantinoand sending files .... probably11:37
foobarrysee the link, they have everything u need11:37
awilkinsSomething that periodically caps screenshots may be useful11:37
foobarrythey do that too11:37
awilkinsLike that VideoGhost thing11:37
foobarryskype chats are saved on the pc11:38
foobarryare u sure they deleted them?11:38
salmantinoI write down VideoGhost, because probably it permit to know what is the way used11:39
foobarrydo check his skype chat logs though11:40
salmantinoa skype client is not used. I think that probably is the webskype used for hotmail (outlook)11:40
salmantinohttp://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/outlook/use-skype-in-outlook11:50
salmantinothis is the skype client that I think that could be used11:50
directhexis anyone interested in buying my old gaming pc, minus graphics card, at a knock-down price?12:18
popeypossibly12:28
popeywot is it?12:28
nickkkkkk_hi anybody here to help?12:37
nickkkkkk_im getting an error saying couldnt open input file, no such file or directory12:38
nickkkkkk_how do i fix this ?12:38
nickkkkkk_it wont let me scalpel the file12:38
BigRedSwhat is "it"; what file is it trying to open? I think we' need some context in order to be useful12:46
foobarryso i received £25 premium bond "winnings"12:51
foobarryexcept its not me but the dead guy who used to live here12:52
foobarryneed to phone them up12:52
foobarryfamily might like to cash in £500+12:52
Azelphurlmfao that was hilarious13:18
AzelphurI just tried to get on a national express coach with an email ticket, I put it on my watch because I like showing off my gadgetry, the ticket number was clearly displayed but the driver was saying he couldn't see it so I pulled it up on my phone13:19
Azelphurhe then told me "You've committed forgery by doing that, you've copied your ticket"13:19
AzelphurI'm like uhh...it's an email...if I open it on my laptop and my tablet does that mean I have 4 tickets?13:19
Azelphurhe said yes, then went quiet for a minute, then told me to "Just get on" hahaha13:20
Azelphuryou wouldn't pirate a coach ticket, I guess.13:21
diploI don't know, I know of people who try it with train tickets13:22
Azelphurdiplo, and it'd never work because they are supposed to check the ticket number13:23
diploIt's the barcode on the back for getting out at stations13:24
awilkinsMagstripe13:24
awilkinsNever researched them but probably really simple to forge13:25
Azelphurah13:25
diploSupposedly the train one is the hardest hes tried13:25
Azelphuryea probably13:25
awilkinsEven Oysters were very easy to forge last time I looked13:25
diploHe bought a writer off ebay and has cloned / created lots of things13:25
diploBut the train ones he can't decode13:25
Azelphurdiplo, the national express ones should be impossible, they give you a unique ref and the driver is supposed to check it13:25
awilkinsThat was when they were using Mifare 1k though13:25
Azelphuralthough on this occasion he wasn't doing his job properly13:25
awilkinsMifare 1k uses weak-tea encryption13:25
Azelphurall he should need is the ticket number, which I had displayed front and center :)13:26
diploHe earns lots of money, so really saving money isn't the thing he just likes to try these things13:26
diploinquisitive mind I guess13:26
diploI for one wouldn't have the patience :D13:26
awilkinsI used to work for a firm doing smartcards for loyalty cards, bus tickets, etc13:26
Azelphurdiplo, I'm planning on doing the oysters one day13:26
awilkinsAnd Mifare 1k were pretty weak even in those days (Pentium 4 era)13:26
Azelphurit'd be nice to have my phone emulate it13:26
awilkinsI imagine throwing a decent GPU at them they'd break in a few minutes13:27
awilkinsThey have piddly tiny storage areas too ; we used to do things like use 6-bit integers packed on arbitrary bit boundaries to try and cram as many fields into the card as possible13:28
* awilkins wrote VB6 code to pack n-bit structs on arbitrary boundaries and then hash them for a checksum and feels both proud and dirty13:28
foobarrynothing quite as annoying as a bluebottle in the room who won't fly out of the window13:30
awilkinsWikipedia says : Oyster was Mifare 1k Classic until Dec 2009 (very hackable)13:30
awilkinsNow they are MIFARE DESFire EV1 : No idea how hackable13:31
awilkinsASsume they use Triple DES encryption which isn't awesome13:31
davmor2foobarry: swap the bluebottle for a wasp13:33
foobarryheh13:33
awilkinsIn something of a misnomer, MIFARE DESFire EV1 supports AES12813:34
diddledanmorning13:41
awilkinsErm13:45
* awilkins gestures at the clock13:45
foobarrythunder14:00
foobarrytv style14:00
foobarryyup, storm's a coming14:00
Azelphurfoobarry, where you at? :)14:01
Azelphurhmm, I just turned on the air con in this coach, the aircon appears to be citrus flavoured.14:01
Azelphur...weird14:01
foobarryn london14:02
Azelphurfoobarry, cool, so I'm gonna get rained on :P14:02
* Azelphur is on the coach at Canterbury, headed to London Victoria14:02
foobarryit was doing it in the bight too14:02
foobarrys/n/b14:02
foobarrymeh14:02
Azelphurfun14:02
diploWe had awesome storms last night14:04
diploStarted about 7pm finished 4am ish14:04
diploThunder / lightning and lots of localised flooding :)14:04
diploFriends dads house got struck by lightning14:04
Azelphurnothing eventful in the thanet area storm related :<14:05
Azelphurdam :o14:05
AzelphurI am so tempted to load the ticket up on my laptop and tablet14:09
Azelphurand do some kind of 4-device balancing act as I walk off the coach with the ticket loaded on all 4 devices14:09
Azelphurbut the practicality of doing that while carrying 2 bags would be prohibitive :<14:10
foobarryhow do extract folders from a tar that are called Keep!2314:31
foobarryKeep!24, etc14:31
foobarryhave resorted to gui14:31
foobarrytar xvfz all.tar.gz Keep\!* doesn't work14:32
foobarry"tar: use --wildcards to enable pattern matching,"14:33
foobarryah14:33
foobarrynope14:35
diddledanhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/09/netflix-linux-html5-nss-change-request14:46
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dubfejhi. my monitor has a shadow in the shape of a triangle at the bottom of the monitor. it's not there at bootup, it appears at some point after the desktop loads. sometimes half of the screen "shadows up" as well. any ideas what it could be? the shadows seem to come and go as they please16:15
directhexis anyone interested in buying my old gaming pc, minus graphics card, at a knock-down price?16:54
foobarrynah, don't do desktops any more16:55
popey13:28:34 < popey> possibly17:01
popey13:28:41 < popey> wot is it?17:01
awilkinspopey, Ooh, Netflix Native17:26
awilkinspopey, I presume this will use squillions fewer CPU cycles17:26
davmor2awilkins: or squillions more17:37
dutchieor possibly the same amount!17:38
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