[17:45] <Roguehorse> Good Morning!
[17:45] <pleia2> hey there Roguehorse
[17:45] <rww> howdy
[17:46] <Roguehorse> Hey! What's happening
[17:46] <pleia2> work work
[17:46] <Roguehorse> always
[17:47] <Roguehorse> pleia2: How do you like the traveling?
[17:47] <pleia2> love it
[17:48] <pleia2> I'm home for a whole month right now, not sure what to do with myself :)
[17:51] <Roguehorse> Ah, I've never really been a fan of globetrotting - but I know some people really dig it
[17:53] <Roguehorse> Before I was married and had kids I thought about it and did some on my own - but now I stay close to home.
[17:53] <Roguehorse> Company covers all the tab right?
[17:53] <pleia2> pretty much
[17:54] <pleia2> I have to get approvals for everything, and I do sometimes go on my own dime when the budget is tight
[17:55] <Roguehorse> Oh, I've known some companies make people use their own dime then submit expense reports for comp
[17:55] <Roguehorse> IDK, something about that doesn't seem right
[17:56] <Roguehorse> especially if it's a requirement
[17:57] <Roguehorse> but, each company has their policy
[18:00] <Roguehorse> Has everyone heard about the new iOS8 is now fully encrypted? Even subpoena can't get data out.
[18:01] <Roguehorse> I think that's the right way to do things these days.
[18:09] <Roguehorse> Lots of accounts going overseas because of data security issues...lots of cutbacks as a result
[18:10] <rww> yes, i read it on my Android that has had full-disk encryption for a while
[18:10] <pleia2> I book through the company booking service and have a company credit card, but I'd be ok either way (plus, I'd get more credit card points my way!)
[18:10] <Roguehorse> :-)
[18:11] <Roguehorse> pleia2: Your company does it right...not all though
[18:11] <pleia2> reminds me, I owe them some receipts
[18:11] <Roguehorse> yeah, don't want to slack on that
[18:13] <Roguehorse> rww: Having device encryption is one thing, cloud storage and transmission (including meta) is a different deal
[18:13] <rww> I go with the "if it's on the 'cloud' it's doomed" philosophy, but I guess I'm not the intended audience ;)
[18:14] <Roguehorse> I heard about spideroak from GRC and looks interesting: https://spideroak.com/?utm_expid=14446725-6.kmcEPnsiSaevBSQb7kScng.0&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3D%26esrc%3Ds%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D1%26ved%3D0CCAQFjAA%26url%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fspideroak.com%252F%26ei%3DxzobVKnZJIbtoATX94KoCg%26usg%3DAFQjCNFbWLVWburoPM_k3vR2Jquq8ou8qw%26sig2%3DMzD1tnzYx0QsV0yZH9MBbw%26bvm%3Dbv.75774317%2Cd.cGU%26cad%3Drjt
[18:14] <darthrobot> Title: [SpiderOak | Online File Sharing & Secure Cloud Backup Software]
[18:15] <Roguehorse> Well, the thing is, the number of people who are using cloud these days incliding iCloud, Google Drive, etc..
[18:16] <rww> Yep. I was hoping some of them would change their mind on that after the iCloud photo nonsense, but I expect they won't now. Sigh.
[18:17] <Roguehorse> Plus, beyond storage is transfer...gpg can encrypt the plain text but not the meta
[18:18] <Roguehorse> the new iOS8 I guess will handle all that, so even if it's cracked, it's just noise
[18:19] <pleia2> rww: what do you mean uploading my data to someone else's server for free doesn't mean my data is safe>?!!!111
[18:19] <pleia2> but I get it, technology is hard and people are trusting
[18:20] <Roguehorse> not so much anymore! This is the 'post Snowden' era
[18:20] <rww> your average high schooler doesn't care
[18:21] <Roguehorse> rww: no, most likely not
[18:21] <Roguehorse> most of this revolves around economicsw and the concept that companies are having less confidence of their data held on US soil
[18:22] <pleia2> I don't care either tbh
[18:23] <Roguehorse> eh, it's a trade off for sure..I usually tell people only to use the cloud for stuff that wouldn't bother you if it got stolen
[18:23] <rww> pleia2: sure, but you're educated as to the upsides and downsides, at least
[18:24] <Roguehorse> or, pre-client encrypt private material whichrequires them to learn how to use a key pair
[18:24] <pleia2> yeah, I just hate privacy
[18:25] <Roguehorse> I know, but the current trend is to make it so easy the "average Joe" no longer needs to know how to do it
[18:27] <Roguehorse> privacy is a PITA (at least at the moment) - average people find encryption confusing and difficult to use - but they want it
[18:28] <Roguehorse> lots of tech coming down the pipeline to have it as the "default" without requiring user interaction
[18:29] <rww> *nod*
[18:29] <rww> if it works, I'll be very happy :)
[18:30] <ianorlin> testing if encryption works is not easy
[18:30] <rww> especially if it's closed source
[18:34] <blitz> encryption is so easy, people download the unauthorized packages and boom their hard drive is encrypted and all the IT staff loves them
[18:34] <rww> haven't come across that at work yet. i expect it's a matter of time
[18:35] <Roguehorse> easy is a matter of perspective
[18:36] <Roguehorse> the greater majority of the GP thinks it's complicated - but they depend on the nerds to make it easy for them - that's where were at
[18:38] <Roguehorse> security is becoming a "real" concern - look at what Zuckerberg is doing with his platform right now
[18:38] <Roguehorse> enforcing policy
[18:39] <Roguehorse> people want "point and click" or "checkbox" easy...and that's not so easy
[18:43] <Roguehorse> more and more we're seeing people wanting TNO security for their data:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_no_one_%28internet_security%29
[18:43] <darthrobot> Title: [Trust no one (internet security) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]
[18:48] <Roguehorse> Google is now bitching about SHA-1: https://konklone.com/post/why-google-is-hurrying-the-web-to-kill-sha-1
[18:48] <darthrobot> Title: [Why Google is Hurrying the Web to Kill SHA-1]
[18:49] <Roguehorse> Which we all really should be focusing on SHA-256
[19:16] <Roguehorse> http://www.roguehorse.com/eblug_sha1_test.png
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[21:19] <jyo> rww, pleia2: Well, finally emailed Ben about Utopic venue haha. Luckily, I didn't realize release was that late in October.
[21:49] <pleia2> \o/
[22:43] <nhaines> Smash Bros demo for 3DS is enteraining.
[23:32] <jyo> http://www.renesys.com/2014/09/why-the-internet-broke-today/ You must be this tall to ride this ride.
[23:32] <darthrobot> Title: [Why Far-Flung Parts of the Internet Broke Today - Renesys]