[01:16] <thebilgerat> lovin' 14/04
[01:16] <thebilgerat> 14.04
[01:48] <twml> anyone active here?
[01:50] <twml> take that as a no
[01:56] <thebilgerat> yes
[03:00] <xubuntu54w> hey guys new to Xubuntu and Linux on a whole... migrated from windows. jus wanted to know for how long will xubuntu 14.04 be supported for and if new versions are released... will my system jus update or does it mean reinstalling my OS completely?
[03:00] <ObrienDave> !lts
[03:01] <twml> anyone active here now?
[03:01] <ObrienDave> normally, upgrades are fairly painless and you keep all of your installed programs and documents
[03:02] <twml> i have a question im fairly new to linux....
[03:02] <ObrienDave> just like upgrading service packs in windows, fairly safe
[03:02] <xubuntu54w> ok cool. thanks
[03:03] <twml> im trying to install net frameworks 3.5in wine so i can run some windows programs, its taken hours to install and progress bar about half done
[03:03] <twml> is that normal or is something wrong
[03:04] <ObrienDave> twml, not sure, as long as progress bar continues to advance, i would recommend letting it cook. but that does seem excessive
[03:05] <twml> its only on 1gb of ram, im running xubuntu 14.04
[03:05] <twml> the newest version of wine
[03:06] <ObrienDave> hmm, i don't use wine. running windows in a VM is less painful
[03:06] <twml> just wondering if its normal for some things to take a while. i know im trying to run windows in linux and wine can do it
[03:06] <twml> i dont like vmware and i have multiple windows computers
[03:07] <ObrienDave> like i said, it does seem excessive. I use VirtualBox and i do like it
[03:08] <ObrienDave> LOL i even have DOS 6.11 and Win 3.11 in a VM ;P
[03:08] <twml> i installed net framework 2 and it took around an hour, now i need 3.5 for some programs
[03:09] <ObrienDave> DOS 6.22
[03:09] <twml> ok il just let it finish, prob just around an hour left and ill see what happens, this is an old laptop im trying it on, was formerly a windows 2000
[03:10] <ObrienDave> ok, that could have something to do with it. as long as progress is being made, i would let it work
[03:11] <twml> its a old laptop wouldnt even boot and screen smashed, fixed screen with one laying around and put 14.04 xubuntu on it running well just this net framework taking a long time to install
[03:12] <ObrienDave> well, cool. yea, i'm just not a big fan of wine
[03:12] <twml> cpu 10% used, ram 45% used according to system monitor
[03:13] <twml> its ran everything i need so far just this net framework is being a pain, had this xubunutu for about a week now
[03:13] <thebilgerat> what specifically are you wanting to run in wine if you have multiple windows boxes?
[03:14] <twml> just some software i have on windows, just i only have 1 windows laptop and its getting slow, so a linux backup would be nice
[03:15] <thebilgerat> well, winehq is your friend.  Also now that you are on linux its a great time to find linux equivalents if any
[03:15] <twml> iv checked the winehq site says the versions of my software will run on my version of wine
[03:16] <thebilgerat> is it gold, platinum, silver?
[03:16] <twml> gold
[03:16] <thebilgerat> I typically don't try running programs through wine that require .net 3 and later
[03:17] <twml> im new to linux as i said and trying to see its limitations
[03:17] <thebilgerat> Well, it runs linux software really really well :)
[03:18] <twml> i hate libreoffice much prefer my windows word 2013
[03:19] <twml> iv already figured out most stuff, windows shares, mounting drives,  a decent chunk of basic commands
[03:20] <twml> well il go now got stuff to do, just checking on my net framework issue, il let it run til it blows up or finishes :P  what ever comes first
[03:20] <thebilgerat> I'm not seeing word 2013 standalone on winehq.  Office 2013 is listed as garbage
[03:21] <ObrienDave> ok, best of luck to you. come back for questions. also #ubuntu channel
[03:21] <james0r2> you can give give kingsoft WPS, i've been trying it out for a couple weeks.
[03:22] <thebilgerat> (s)he's off
[03:22] <james0r2> held up pretty well with docs from Word so far.
[03:22] <ObrienDave> yea, figures
[03:22] <james0r2> ahh missed that. thanks.
[03:22] <thebilgerat> np
[03:23] <thebilgerat> in for a fun night of wine hell trying to get a 1Gb mem laptop to run word 2013
[03:23] <thebilgerat> though wine
[03:23] <thebilgerat> yeah
[03:23] <james0r2> yeah that sounds miserable. i'm with whoever said earlier they just run stuff through VMs
[03:23] <james0r2> i never have luck with Wine. one issue or another will usually make it unusable
[03:24] <thebilgerat> I have decent luck on very specific things.  dotnet 3.5 is NOT one of them heh
[03:24] <xangua> when will people learn wine is not an emulator
[03:24] <ObrienDave> never
[03:24] <thebilgerat> or anything that relies on it
[03:24] <james0r2> who said it was an emulator
[03:25] <thebilgerat> "I got this shiny new linux box - now to load office suite, visual studio, and a bunch of windows only games onto it!"
[03:26] <ObrienDave> and then wonder why things don't work very well
[03:26] <james0r2> yeah pretty silly
[03:26] <xangua> james0r2: people still today think wine means Windw Emulator
[03:26] <xangua> Windows Emulator*
[03:26] <ObrienDave> it isn't??? ;P
[03:27] <xangua> see ...
[03:27] <thebilgerat> heh!
[03:27] <james0r2> yeah that's the best way they can explain it
[03:27] <xangua> :P
[03:29] <james0r2> i think it stems from that attitude about "if linux wants to compete with windows..."
[03:29] <james0r2> the false premise leads to a bunch of nonsense. heh
[03:30] <thebilgerat> Yeah, or an unwillingness to adapt, improvise and overcome the lack of their favorite userland app
[03:31] <thebilgerat> plus I think Xubuntu comes with Abiword
[03:31] <thebilgerat> ...yep there it is
[03:32] <james0r2> ya know never used it, had an issue opening an odt file when i first tried and quickly just went back to librewriter.
[03:33] <james0r2> i'm glad i don't have a job that requires me to run windows apps
[03:34] <thebilgerat> heh - me too.
[03:34] <james0r2> i'm able to do most everything natively on linux
[03:34] <thebilgerat> although I do have to admit to really enjoying visual studio if I'm doing C# stuff
[03:35] <thebilgerat> all my work these days is with qtcreator and vim
[03:35] <thebilgerat> all in linux
[03:35] <james0r2> never used it, i'm just a novice coder and every ide i've needed worked fine on linux
[03:36] <james0r2> qtcreator an ide for working with Qt i take it?
[03:36] <james0r2> i'm wanting to dev mobile stuff at some point in the future so i'll probably run into a brick wall at somepoint if i work with obj C
[03:37] <james0r2> i got Mountain Lion working in a VM but on my i3 with 6gigs of RAM it was pretty choppy. not smooth enough to work in
[04:20] <Vampi> приветики :)
[04:32] <xubuntu54w> hey guys, i know this is a xubuntu forum, but what's the best ever linux distro for a laptop that prev ran windows vista- 6yrs old?
[04:34] <cfhowlett> xubuntu54w, lubuntu or xubuntu.  lubuntu is optimized for older / lower specification hardware.
[04:37] <Unit193> xubuntu54w: What's the specs?
[04:38] <xubuntu54w> cool. oh it's got like an AMD dual core 2.2Ghz, 2GB DDR3, 128mb ATI Radeon
[04:40] <Unit193> Either's fine.
[04:42] <xubuntu54w> thanks
[06:35] <xubuntu13w> hi all. need some help please. running xubuntu, and desktop/taskbar have disappeared. comp running fine, firefox restart/reload page comes up, but nothing else. thanks
[06:37] <elfy> alt+f2 -> xfce4-panel --restart
[08:19] <Naphatul> how can i change thunar shortcuts so that my mouse buttons go forward/back ?
[08:51] <priuon> I successfully started a guest icewm session on my xubuntu trusty thar installation. Will using my prime useraccount for a IceWM session conflict with the default xfdestop session/config/etc?
[09:03] <counter> hi, can someone help me with the "xfce4-mailwatch-plugin" configuration? There is a local maildir option, which folder from my thunderbird folder I need to select to get it working?
[09:04] <deshipu> thunderbird doesn't use maildir
[09:04] <deshipu> it uses some ridiculous format of its own
[09:05] <counter> that would explain, why it is not working ...
[09:05] <deshipu> also, you can configure thunderbird to show you notifications on new mail
[09:06] <counter> I receive notification popups, but I like permanent notification icon
[09:07] <priuon> maildir is not the same as mbox is it?
[09:07] <deshipu> no
[09:08] <priuon> what UNIX System did the mbox get introduced?
[09:09] <priuon> SysV certainly had it
[09:11] <deshipu> chceck the wikipedia page
[09:12] <priuon> the mbox has a wikipediabage. how delightful :)
[09:16] <priuon> can someone please respond to my wm question :"<priuon> I successfully started a guest icewm session on my xubuntu trusty thar installation. Will using my prime useraccount for a IceWM session conflict with the default xfdestop session/config/etc?"
[09:29] <priuon> BBL
[10:27] <kblin> hi folks
[10:28] <kblin> it seems like on my T440s thinkpad, my touchpad is randomly stopping to work
[10:29] <kblin> the red thingie still works to move the cursor, but I can't click on anything anymore
[10:30] <kblin>  
[10:31] <kblin> the funny part is that if I lock the screen, the touchpad still works there
[10:31] <kblin> but once I unlock again, the touchpad is dead
[10:33] <brainwash> kblin: maybe worth a try, run "xfsettingsd --replace" to restart the settings daemon of Xfce
[10:35] <kblin> brainwash: nope, no change
[10:36] <kblin> I know that a reboot will fix this, but if I wanted to reboot all the time I'd be running a different OS
[10:38] <brainwash> a relog does not fix this?
[10:41] <kblin> never tried.
[10:41] <brainwash> not a nice solution though
[10:42] <kblin> I can do "sudo reboot" without a mouse, I can "xflock4" without mouse, but I'm not sure how to relog
[10:43] <kblin> also a reboot is almost as fast. :)
[10:43] <kblin> but the main reason really is that I don't know how to just log off
[10:43] <brainwash> xfce4-session-logout --logout
[10:43] <brainwash> or sudo restart lightdm
[10:43] <kblin> ok, hang on
[10:48] <kblin> ok, so the xfce4-session-logout --logout didn't do anything
[10:48] <kblin> restarting lightdm sort of worked...
[10:50] <kblin> that is it killed the current session and failed to tstart up again
[10:53] <kblin> but I could restart the session with another service lighdm start
[10:54] <brainwash> ok, did you already search the web for an existing bug report?
[10:55] <brainwash> the buggy behavior could be caused by xorg
[10:57] <brainwash> and I have no clue why xfce4-session-logout did not work for you
[10:58] <brainwash> I assume that no error or warning message has been displayed
[10:58] <kblin> I got an error about the session being busy when re-running the xfce4-session-logout
[10:58] <brainwash> ah
[10:58] <kblin> but initially I got no message whatsoever
[10:59] <brainwash> that's a bug
[11:00] <brainwash> sometimes the session is stuck due to unknown reasons
[11:00] <brainwash> I suspect that there is some conflict with logind
[11:01] <brainwash> you could try to run "sudo restart systemd-logind" next time it happens
[11:03] <kblin> ok, I'll try that the next time
[11:23] <counter> hm, how is login data encrypted by the xfce4 mail notification, with the login password? I use a master password at thunderbird, if not it would decrease security
[14:28] <alexj212> Loving xubuntu 14.04 lately with some updates my mouse (logitech wireless) has started getting lag where should I start looking
[14:30] <mawil> did you changed the battery, i had this problem several times ...
[14:31] <alexj212> its a rechargable one with the charger wire plugged in
[14:32] <alexj212> i had this with a real old mouse (wireless) I updated mouse and it was great for last few months
[16:09] <sargas> why would sound stop working after plugging an external monitor?
[16:09] <holstein> sargas: hdmi?
[16:10] <sargas> holstein: 1st with HDMI, then with VGA too
[16:11] <holstein> who knows.. i would look at my graphics drivers probably first..
[16:12] <sargas> holstein: in alsamixer, the default sound card was hdmi, i changed that to analog
[16:12] <holstein> i would also try "pavucontrol" for routing..
[16:12] <sargas> holstein: but do i check my graphics drivers?
[16:12] <holstein> sargas: im saying, i would check and see if there are other drivers available.. proprietary graphics drivers..
[16:13] <holstein> if its, for example, nvidia hardware
[16:15] <sargas> holstein: I'll check, this machine has an integrated one, and an AMD one
[16:16] <sargas> holstein: so maybe the OS messes up which one to use?
[16:16] <holstein> sargas: maybe.. test and see
[16:16] <sargas> holstein: if I only knew how to ...
[16:16] <sargas> holstein: I'll check for AMD drivers first
[16:17] <holstein> right.. then, you can try a vesa driver.. just isolate and see what causes the behavior..
[16:30] <sargas> holstein: can't seem find a linux driver for AMD Radeon TM HD 8750M
[16:31] <sargas> holstein: tried a couple of downloads I found, but they fail saying their are not supported by the system
[16:31] <holstein> sargas: well, they likely never promised you one.. they = amd or the device manufacturer
[16:31] <holstein> sargas: the proprietary drivers are in the repo
[16:32] <holstein> the ones in the repos are usually the "best" to try first, but, as i tell others, this is *not* a fix, so dont waste time on it if you are having issues
[16:33] <holstein> you are basically using a device that has been promised will work with another OS.. a team of experts were hired to make sure the hardware works, and drivers are provided, and updated.. they didnt promise that for linux, so that burden can fall to you, since, not many folks may have your exact hardware
[16:34] <sargas> holstein: that's true, this is a business grade laptop that I didn't ask for at work
[16:34] <sargas> -_-
[16:34] <holstein> sure.. im just suggesting to have realistic expectations.. i like using live CD's to test..
[16:35] <holstein> the proprietary graphics driver is a good first step.. you should be able to click on "sources" in the menu, and find a tab about "alternate" or "extra" or "proprietary" drivers.. the system will search for ones that are available, and should describe them
[16:38] <superkuh> I don't know who did it, but the latest xubuntu updates seem to have stopped my constant Thunar/gmain/Caja crashes due to memory corruption in the gslice magazine allocator. Thank you!
[16:39] <holstein> maybe the contributor is listed in the bug report.. or, a config was refreshed on your end..
[16:41] <sargas> so I found my driver listed as 8***
[16:41] <sargas> holstein: at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[16:42] <holstein> sargas: you can find one in the repos.. try the GUI i mentioned
[16:42] <sargas> holstein: But is it going to work on Xubuntu (or rather, with xfce)?
[16:42] <holstein> sargas: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[16:43] <holstein> sargas: nothing about xubuntu or xfce will prevent that driver from working.. though, i would read about manually removing it from the recovery console in case..
[16:43] <sargas> holstein: I know it is... what GUI?
[16:43] <holstein> sargas: in the menu, "sources". "software sources".. in that GUI is a tab for these drivers.. "proprietary" or "additional".. or "extra"
[16:43] <sargas> holstein: there is a guide to remove catalyst from the system before trying an opesource driver
[16:43] <holstein> sargas: you *are* using the open driver now.. its in the kernel
[16:44] <sargas> holstein: oh! That's right... good thing you are helping me man
[16:44] <holstein> you can open a terminal and run "lspci -v" and find your graphics device there and look at the driver/module in use, to be certain
[16:45] <holstein> there is nothing saying that the proprietary driver will "fix" whatever is happening, though
[16:46] <holstein> could be, the sound is being reset.. personally, if i had sound.. then, plugged in a monitor, and restarting applications would give me sound back to them, i would just to with that..
[16:46] <holstein> !bug
[16:46] <holstein> ^ i would file a bug, though.. or see if there already is one
[16:47] <sargas> holstein: in the GUI, it doesn't list any proprietary driver :)
[16:47] <holstein> sargas: sure.. as i said, you are not promised one.. so, there may not be one provided to ubuntu by the device manufacturer for your specific device
[16:47] <sargas> holstein: gotcha, thank you for your help!!
[16:47] <holstein> !ati
[16:48] <holstein> there should be options though. but, personally, i wouldnt waste much time with this, since its not necessarily a fix in any way.. just a troubleshooting step
[16:50] <sargas> holstein: I just found the correct opensource driver was installed (as it should)
[16:50] <sargas> holstein: and sometimes, restarting the computer and not plugging the monitor will make my system's sound work again
[16:50] <sargas> holstein: I think I'll roll with that
[16:51] <sargas> holstein, ubottu: Thank you for your help again.
[16:51] <holstein> sargas: actually, the "correct" driver would be just the one that works, that fits your needs
[16:51] <holstein> sargas: the open ones are usually quite capable these days, but, they are just that.. open ones.. not provided by the manufacturer, necessarily
[16:52] <holstein> they are always welcome to get involved, and provide you are driver or provide ubuntu one.. but, they typically dont
[16:52] <sargas> holstein: yeah... I won't waste more time looking for one... I also just found out the problem I'm having is a known bug
[16:52] <holstein> i would just /join the bug then, and keep an eye out for work-arounds or fixes when/if they materialize
[16:53] <sargas> holstein: I will keep an I for the fix, since I don't have to file a report
[16:53] <sargas> holstein: :)
[16:53] <sargas> holstein: I meant, I will keep an "eye", my English failed me again...
[16:53] <sargas> holstein: (not my 1st language
[16:54] <holstein> sargas: no worries.. good luck to you
[17:16] <superkuh> Weird. I was wrong about the bug being fixed. Instead I have discovered a strange time correlation in the thunar/caja segfaults. They only occur between 12:00 pm (noon) and 23:59 pm (midnight). There are none of these segfaults between 00:00 am and 11:59 am. (localtime)
[17:27] <rootsandculture> hi all
[17:29] <slickymasterWork> !hi | rootsandculture
[17:31] <rootsandculture> I'm on Xubuntu 14.04.1, the problem is when files or folders are copied to a folder in the hard disk from an CD DVD sets as read only
[17:31] <rootsandculture> This problem only happens under xubuntu, in a fresh 14.04.1 install. (Didn't tested in earlier versions). No problem at all with any ubuntu version or fedora xfce spin. When I set manually the permision in the propierties panel in Thunar I can make it readable. But its weird to make it with ALL my CD or DVD backups, and ALL subfolders. Any idea?
[17:36] <slickymasterWork> bug 242842 | rootsandculture
[17:40] <rootsandculture> but tried in nautilus and the same happens
[17:53] <rootsandculture> https://db.tt/m5muOm5F
[18:47] <Travis> Yay!  I have fixed a problem I've been having by switching laptops!
[18:47] <Travis> I am running 14.04.1 on a Panasonic CF-30.  It's working great right now.
[19:01] <Hedgework> heya, Travis
[19:01] <Hedgework> :)
[19:01]  * Hedgework highfives Travis
[19:01] <Travis> I know who you are :p
[19:01] <Hedgework> Travis: If you'd forgotten, I'd be hurt!
[19:01] <Travis> I have some hedges that need trimmed.  Wanna do them for me?
[19:01] <Travis> Sorry, bad pun.
[19:02]  * Hedgework waves a wand in the direction of Travis's shrubbery
[19:02] <Travis> Now the house looks bigger.
[19:03] <Travis> I am testing a CF-30 on a thumb drive.  I think I may end up having to have it boot from a thumb drive for now.
[19:03] <Travis> I don't have a hard drive caddy for one.
[19:06] <Hedgework> Travis: CF-30?  That the same Panasonic you had when I saw you last, or something different?
[19:07] <Travis> No.  This is one I am testing for someone.
[19:07] <Travis> The sad part is, there's about 10 or so more of these.  All without power supplies, HDDs, & HDD caddies.
[19:07] <Travis> The laptop is new enough, that the HDD is SATA.
[19:08] <Hedgework> I'm sure you can find a cheap power supply on Ebay.  We could rig something for a HDD without much effort.
[19:08] <Travis> I have a 16v one.
[19:09] <Travis> The voltage required on the laptop is 15.6
[19:10] <Hedgework> cookimon knows more about power supply stuff than I do, check with him to see how much that matters
[19:12] <tonyt> can anyone point me to a fix/faq to screen tearing? not habing much luck on google
[19:12] <tonyt> having
[19:15] <Hedgework> tonyt: "screen tearing"  <--I failed to parse that
[19:17] <Unit193> Hedgework: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Tearing_%28simulated%29.jpg that type of thing.
[19:17] <Unit193> tonyt: Does it get less tearing without the compositor?  What graphics card?
[19:18] <Hedgework> tonyt: oh, wow...I've never run into that
[19:21] <superkuh> tonyt, what graphics card and what drivers?
[19:22] <Unit193> Hedgework: Heh, lucky you!
[19:22] <superkuh> I used to have issued but then ATI, erm, AMD released the catalyst 11 drivers and since then OS that support those drivers have a "Tear Free" option in the amdccle configuration menu.
[19:22] <rootsandculture> how do I apply this patch?
[19:22] <rootsandculture> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3532
[19:32] <xubuntu62w> hi
[19:32] <xubuntu62w> anybody in there ?
[19:32] <Hedgework> No, that list of 133 nicknames besides yourself is a clever ruse.
[19:32] <xubuntu62w> I need help
[19:33] <xubuntu62w> please
[19:33] <Hedgework> Psychiatry is on the third floor, to the right of the elevators...or if you have a Linux question you could, you know, ask it so we can attempt to help.
[19:33] <xubuntu62w> I got a problem installing virtualbox or vmware
[19:34] <xubuntu62w> it cannot find the linux headers matching my kernel
[19:34] <Hedgework> Which one are you installing?
[19:34] <Hedgework> They are very different products.
[19:34] <xubuntu62w> later VMware and virtualbox
[19:35] <xubuntu62w> latest releases
[19:35] <Hedgework> Okay, start by telling us what versions of Xubuntu and those packages you are using (and where you are getting the packages from), plus *exactly* how you are trying to install and *exactly* what errors you are given.
[19:36] <xubuntu62w> desktop@anakin:~$ uname -a Linux anakin.ipv6forlife.com 3.10.23-xxxx-std-ipv6-64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 18 14:48:24 CET 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux desktop@anakin:~$
[19:36] <xubuntu62w> this is my linux
[19:37] <xubuntu62w> desktop@anakin:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup Stopping VirtualBox kernel moduleslibkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:1619 kmod_module_new_from_loaded: could not open /proc/modules: No such file or directory Error: could not get list of modules: No such file or directory libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:1619 kmod_module_new_from_loaded: could not open /proc/modules: No such file or directory Error: could not get 
[19:38] <xubuntu62w> cat desktop@anakin:~$ cat /var/log/vbox-install.log  Makefile:183: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again. Stop. Makefile:183: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again. Stop. Makefile:183: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directo
[19:41] <xubuntu62w> the virtualbox package was downloaded today from oracle
[19:41] <xubuntu62w> I hit a similar problem with vmware
[19:42] <knome> !pastebin | xubuntu62w
[19:42] <xubuntu62w> I don t understand this weird kernel name which does not match what I have in /usr/src
[19:46] <xubuntu62w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8382096/plain/
[19:47] <xubuntu62w> the package I am installing is Virtualbox from Oracle
[19:47] <xubuntu62w> what else do you need ?
[19:47] <Hedgework> Why are you trying to install it from Oracle instead of from the repos?  There's a perfectly good virtualbox package already available.
[19:48] <xubuntu62w> ok I can try it
[19:48] <xubuntu62w> I was utse to loda it from oracle
[19:49] <xubuntu62w> but yety apt-get works
[19:49] <xubuntu62w> hope it will get beetter thanks
[19:50] <xubuntu62w> it will not solve the VMware issue which i similar but if it is ok with virtualbox I am happy
[19:52] <Hedgework> I don't have VMware installed on the Xubuntu side of my machine here, but I do have a license, so I can test that next week if it's important.
[19:52] <xubuntu62w> desktop@anakin:~$ virtualbox& [1] 2878 desktop@anakin:~$ WARNING: The character device /dev/vboxdrv does not exist. 	 Please install the virtualbox-dkms package and the appropriate 	 headers, most likely linux-headers-std.  	 You will not be able to start VMs until this problem is fixed. Qt WARNING: Qt: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host
[19:52] <xubuntu62w> it still fails
[19:53] <xubuntu62w> but it says why
[19:53] <xubuntu62w> moment
[19:53] <Hedgework> xubuntu62w: That's...odd...given how that package usually behaves.  May I ask how long it's been since you rebooted the machine?
[19:54] <Hedgework> xubuntu62w: Xubuntu (and *buntu in general) isn't always good about not assuming you'll reboot immediately after a kernel package is updated, so they often leave you with a kernel mismatch between what's running and what's configured to run.
[19:55] <xubuntu62w> desktop@anakin:~$ WARNING: The character device /dev/vboxdrv does not exist. 	 Please install the virtualbox-dkms package and the appropriate 	 headers, most likely linux-headers-std.  	 You will not be able to start VMs until this problem is fixed. Qt WARNING: Qt: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[19:55] <xubuntu62w> still Freejack ails
[19:55] <xubuntu62w> still fails
[19:56] <Hedgework> xubuntu62w: see my last comments
[19:57] <xubuntu62w> uname -a gives an image name which is not in /usr/src
[19:59] <Hedgework> that's questionable...when did you reboot last?
[19:59] <xubuntu62w> long time ago
[19:59] <xubuntu62w> may be I should
[19:59] <Hedgework> apt will clean up old /usr/src entries but it can't change your running kernel and won't delete from /boot unless explicitly asked
[20:00] <Hedgework> So reboot.
[20:00] <Hedgework> (note that had you read my comments a minute ago you would already know this)
[20:00] <xubuntu62w> ok tx
[20:00] <Unit193> You can also make sure  linux-generic  is installed.
[20:00] <Hedgework> err, a few minutes ago :P
[20:30] <xubuntu63w> virtualbox still refuse
[20:30] <xubuntu63w> WARNING: The character device /dev/vboxdrv does not exist. 	 Please install the virtualbox-dkms package and the appropriate 	 headers, most likely linux-headers-std.  	 You will not be able to start VMs until this problem is fixed.
[20:32] <xubuntu63w> the name of my kernel is quite weird
[20:32] <xubuntu63w> this is the reason I guess
[20:33] <xubuntu63w> kernel name mismatch
[20:33] <sheap> has anyone had an issue with the logout button from the system tray not working? it prompts for logout but then when you click "okay" nothing happens?
[20:34] <sheap> xfce4-session-logout seems to work fine from the command line
[20:34] <sheap> but the system tray logout button seems to execute something different
[21:03] <xubuntu63w>  I have a linux kernel with aname not matching the linux-headers available
[21:03] <xubuntu63w> this is a problem for virtualbox and vmware
[21:03] <xubuntu63w> who can help me ?
[21:07] <m477> hello
[21:08] <m477> I have kubuntu if I install xubuntu-desktop from repo it wont broke in any way anything?
[21:09] <bazhang> no
[21:11] <m477> ty
[21:11] <bazhang> np
[21:11] <m477> Iam asking cuz some time ago I did this with kde and gnome, and they "mixed" each other
[21:12] <SnoopDogg> hey :DD
[21:12] <bazhang> all the apps will mix. thats not 'breaking'
[21:13] <SnoopDogg> hi, how important is swap space?
[21:15] <DF3D2> how do I stop XFCE from dimming my second monitor when not using it
[21:17] <SnoopDogg> YOU'D BETTER REPLY, MY DAD IS ADMIN AND HE CAN BAN YOU FROM WINDOWS
[21:17] <SnoopDogg> HE'LL SHADOWBAN YOU FROM WINDOWS
[21:18] <DF3D2> I don't see anything in screensaver settings
[21:18] <SnoopDogg> help guys someone has shadowbanned me from Xubuntu
[21:18] <bazhang> SnoopDogg, stop the nonsense
[21:19] <SnoopDogg> everytime i boot up it says do you even lift bro? and just logs me out
[21:19] <SnoopDogg> im so annoyed
[21:19] <bazhang> !ot | SnoopDogg
[21:24] <sheap> what command does the indicator-session run?
[21:27] <sheap> something is causing the command that 'indicator-session' runs for logout to hang but I'm not sure what it's doing
[21:32] <brainwash> sheap: indicator-session is not installed by default. it wasn't tested and therefore might not be compatible with the xubuntu session
[21:32] <dunpeal> Hi. What's the most user-friendly way to check the local HDD for errors?
[21:34] <sheap> brainwash: it isn't? It's on my 14.04 xubuntu box
[21:35] <sheap> I feel like it's calling gnome-session-quit but I'm not sure
[21:35] <brainwash> it's not
[21:35] <brainwash> you see, it's not working
[21:35] <sheap> do you know what it's doing?
[21:36] <bullgard4> dunpeal: Xfce > Applications menu > Accessories  > Disk utility
[21:36] <brainwash> no
[21:36] <Unit193> dunpeal: Perhaps gsmartcontrol or gnome-disks.
[21:36] <sheap> brainwash: how do you know it wasn't tested or anything?
[21:38] <brainwash> it's not part of the default xubuntu installation
[21:38] <dunpeal> bullgard4: I don't have that one?
[21:38] <dunpeal> Unit193: thanks.
[21:38] <bullgard4> dunpeal: So please install it.
[21:40] <dunpeal> bullgard4: which package is it?
[21:41] <sheap> hmmm
[21:42] <sheap> I don't know why it was installed on mine then
[21:43] <bullgard4> dunpeal: gnome-disk-utility
[21:44] <brainwash> sheap: did you install xubuntu on top of ubuntu? or did you install anything related to the unity session?
[21:46] <drc> sheap: Or maybe an upgrade from earlier version of Xubuntu that did install it?
[21:48] <sheap> drc brainwash I have the ubuntu repos in my sources
[21:48] <sheap> which according to apt-cache is where indicator-session came from
[21:48] <sheap> is there a way to check the dependencies?
[21:48] <sheap> I'm not sure why it was downloaded in the first place
[21:48] <DF3D2> can someone explain this behavior? I have two monitors setup (seperate desktops) with XFCE when I click from the second monitor back to the first, the brightness goes down 30%. I see no options anywhere in settings to control this.
[21:49] <drc> sheap: Then I'd guess you installed something from the ubuntu repos that required it.
[21:49] <sheap> drc: do you know how to check that?
[21:49] <brainwash> remove that package
[21:50] <brainwash> and apt will tell you which other currently installed packages depend on it
[21:50] <dunpeal> bullgard4: thanks. this is gnome-disks mentioned by Unit193
[21:50] <sheap> drc brainwash apt-cache policy *pkg* shows the info
[21:52] <bullgard4> dunpeal: So this should enhance your confidence.
[21:55] <sheap> I guess I'm installing ubuntu and xubuntu on top of that
[21:56] <sheap> how does that even work?
[21:56] <sheap> jk found it, tasksel is doing ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop
[22:06] <xubuntu94w> I do not understand where 845 GBytes are going in my home dir
[22:06] <xubuntu94w> desktop@anakin:~$ sudo du -h -t 10M 63M	./.dropbox-dist/dropbox-lnx.x86_64-2.10.30 63M	./.dropbox-dist 11M	./.config/google-chrome/pnacl/0.1.0.13367/_platform_specific/x86_32 11M	./.config/google-chrome/pnacl/0.1.0.13367/_platform_specific 11M	./.config/google-chrome/pnacl/0.1.0.13367 11M	./.config/google-chrome/pnacl 26M	./.config/google-chrome 29M	./.config 49M	./.cache/mozilla/firefox/bmyw4gmc.default/cache2/entries 49M	./.cach
[22:07] <xubuntu94w> desktop@anakin:~$ sudo du -h -t 10M 63M	./.dropbox-dist/dropbox-lnx.x86_64-2.10.30 63M	./.dropbox-dist 11M	./.config/google-chrome/pnacl/0.1.0.13367/_platform_specific/x86_32 11M	./.config/google-chrome/pnacl/0.1.0.13367/_platform_specific 11M	./.config/google-chrome/pnacl/0.1.0.13367 11M	./.config/google-chrome/pnacl 26M	./.config/google-chrome 29M	./.config 49M	./.cache/mozilla/firefox/bmyw4gmc.default/cache2/entries 49M	./.cach
[22:07] <Unit193> !info ncdu | xubuntu94w
[22:07] <Unit193> xubuntu94w: Much better to use a pastebin service.
[22:07] <xubuntu94w> please I dont understand where thes 849 G are going ?
[22:08] <slickymaster> xubuntu94w: please use http://pastebin.com/ to not clutter channel
[22:09] <mo0p> Hey
[22:09] <Unit193> xubuntu94w: And I'd recommend using ncdu, disk usage with an ncurses frontend.  Helps me a lot clearing out clutter.
[22:09] <slickymaster> !hi | mo0p
[22:10] <mo0p> Question regarding USB 2.0 passthrough with Virtualbox, i cant seem find anything on it, but when i enable usb 2.0 for a VM i get errors
[22:10] <mo0p> Error says i need Oracle VM Virtualbox extention pack buti cant seem to find it
[22:12] <slickymaster> mo0p: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/virtualbox/downloads/index.html
[22:12] <Unit193> mo0p: It's not in the repos, you'll have to get it from Oracle's website.
[22:12] <slickymaster> mo0p: direct livk -> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/virtualbox/downloads/index.html#extpack
[22:12] <xubuntu71w> it is inb the repos
[22:12] <xubuntu71w> actually
[22:12] <xubuntu71w> but it does not work for me
[22:13] <xubuntu71w> I have a stupid question
[22:13] <xubuntu71w> I see 845G used in my home dir
[22:13] <xubuntu71w> and I do not have big file
[22:13] <xubuntu71w> can you help me understand
[22:13] <xubuntu71w> why the . file is 840G+
[22:22] <mo0p> Cool thanks for the links, getting it now !
[22:23] <mo0p> hmm
[22:24] <mo0p> version mismatch :( they dont have it for 4.3.10 :(
[22:24] <xubuntu71w> please I really need help
[22:25] <xubuntu71w> I have deleted a huge number of file but the memory has not been released on the hdd
[22:25] <xubuntu71w> I still have 848G used for nothing!
[22:25] <drc> xubuntu71w: You deleted them or merley moved them to the trash?
[22:25] <xubuntu71w> I don t get it
[22:25] <xubuntu71w> no I deleted with rm -rf
[22:26] <DF3D2> is there a keyboard shortcut to move a window to take up "half" the screen?
[22:26] <xubuntu71w> the 840 GB show up in the . file
[22:26] <drc> Assuming it's one file or folder, then you didn't rm that particular folder/file.  Earlier you said ", file"...what ". file"?
[22:27] <xubuntu71w> no I have deleted a bigf directory
[22:27] <xubuntu71w> with rm -rf
[22:27] <mo0p> you will likely need to use softare to recover the files
[22:27] <xubuntu71w> with rm -rfi do not want to recover
[22:27] <xubuntu71w> I want the space back
[22:29] <xubuntu71w> desktop@anakin:~$ sudo du -h -t 10M 63M	./.dropbox-dist/dropbox-lnx.x86_64-2.10.30 63M	./.dropbox-dist 11M	./.config/google-chrome/pnacl/0.1.0.13367/_platform_specific/x86_32 11M	./.config/google-chrome/pnacl/0.1.0.13367/_platform_specific 11M	./.config/google-chrome/pnacl/0.1.0.13367 11M	./.config/google-chrome/pnacl 26M	./.config/google-chrome 29M	./.config 85M	./.dropbox/instance1 90M	./.dropbox 53M	./.cache/mozilla/firefox/bmy
[22:30] <xubuntu71w> no big files
[22:30] <xubuntu71w> desktop@anakin:~$ sudo du -h -t 100M 846G	. desktop@anakin:~$
[22:31] <xubuntu71w> only one file is bigger thqn 100M it is the directory itself
[22:31] <xubuntu71w> the directory . file did not release the meory
[22:36] <xubuntu71w> how can i release this memory ?
[22:37] <xubuntu71w> desktop@anakin:~$ sudo du ./ -h -t 100M
[22:37] <xubuntu71w> desktop@anakin:~$ sudo du ./ -h -t 100M