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=== Mohi is now known as IAmNotThatGuy
dna113pAnyone experienced with openbox know if I could set a double key keybind, kind of like double click but I want to make a double tap of the win key toggle something01:36
dna113pI don't see anything like that in the open box wiki for that particular thing, any way it might work?01:38
BuntuTechi would like to submit my version of optional lubuntu wallpaper that hopefully would be listed in wallaper in the OS01:39
BuntuTechi do not see screenshot option so far n lubuntu is there on that i am missing?01:40
BuntuTechima upload this to imgur01:40
urielvigilantIf i need to install Lubuntu or Ubuntu 14.04.1 in a new laptop later, to get all my stuffs, like settings and drivers for scan and printer, or make wifi detectable and other like playing DVDi just need to copy Home folder to the new laptop and instalation Ubuntu or Lubuntu?02:08
BuntuTechare you asking us if you need to backup your personal data before reinstalling?02:11
BuntuTechbut as far as making the wifi work - i find it works straight away - simply by installing ubuntu while being hardwired to the internet during the installation, I have had the same occur with printers - leave them plugged in during installation. Of course back up all data before you begin.02:13
BuntuTechubuntu idles at around 700-800mb ram before loading up more programs, lubuntu idles at around 180mb ram until you load up more programs, so choose which one you want to use accordingly.02:15
urielvigilanti will need to reinstall scanner and printer, bcm 4311 always in this old laptop,02:16
urielvigilantsome console typing to play dvds on VLC02:17
urielvigilantsome console typing to improve graphics02:17
urielvigilanthumm i think also some console typing to make Lubuntu recognize my usb LTE 4g internet provider02:18
BuntuTechwell by backing up everything you will always have better chances and maybe if you are lucky the OS will pull drivers for you and install that stuff automatically...unless it is very odd or outdated.02:18
BuntuTechyou can always check with the manufacturers up front before you reinstall too make sure they have driver support.02:19
BuntuTechi have a 20 year old laser printer that i could never get to work in ubuntu.02:19
BuntuTechhehe02:19
BuntuTechwhat OS are you using now urielvigilant ?02:20
urielvigilantLubuntu 14.04 in a ACer Extensa 5204 Wlmi with 500 RAM upgraded to 2Gb Ram02:21
BuntuTechso all your stuff works now and you are concerned it may not work if you upgrade02:22
urielvigilantI want to by  a new laptop. I dont know if to stay with Lubuntu , or install Ubuntu and use Lubuntu graphics02:22
urielvigilantiam already upgraded. Iwant a new lapptop02:22
BuntuTechi like them both equally i use ubuntu if i have huge hardware02:23
BuntuTechi have a 7 year old laptop with a amd turion dual core and 2gb ram and a smal dedicated graphics card - i like lubuntu in that one02:23
BuntuTechmy new stuff gets ubuntu - they are all quad cores with 8-12 gb ram02:24
urielvigilanti dont like very much " Unity" i think is the way to surf inside OS in Ubuntu doensit ?02:24
BuntuTechbut thats just me02:24
BuntuTechi am one of the ones that does like unity - but i really like lubuntu too02:24
BuntuTechi like how lubuntu only uses about 180mb ram....02:25
BuntuTechand i have customized it too my liking02:25
urielvigilantSo if i put Lubuntu in a new laptop with I5 processor and 6 GB ram will be a wast of hardware ?02:25
BuntuTechi am in lubuntu right now in a VM and it only has 1 core and i gave it 2 gb ram and it runs fantastic02:26
BuntuTechif i had to choose between installing ubuntu and then changing it to lxde ...or just installing lubuntu and adding what i want i personally would take lubuntu02:27
BuntuTechin that instance02:27
BuntuTechwell i5 and  6 gb will run anything02:27
urielvigilantLubuntu run fast for me now, but my laptop chassis is broken, we feel this when open or close  the screen, all laptop plastics start to desitegrated02:27
BuntuTechso it comes down to personal prefernce if you donlt like unity then id do lubuntu02:28
urielvigilantmy batery is almost death, i need a laptop to use outo of home.02:28
BuntuTechi would do lubuntu02:28
urielvigilantmy only with plug02:28
BuntuTechit will run like a rocket02:28
BuntuTechhaha i5 and 6 gb ram on lubuntu02:28
BuntuTechits easier to get wifi and printers running in ubuntu though02:29
BuntuTechin my opinion02:29
urielvigilantIf i do Ubuntu and then change screen to Lubuntu, it will act so fast as Ubuntu or Lubuntu ?02:29
BuntuTechwill speed it up a bit02:29
urielvigilantbut never so fast as pure Lubuntu doensit ?02:29
BuntuTechi tried that desktop change once i did exactly what u said i tok ubuntu and changed to lxde and i didi not like it02:30
BuntuTechbut thats me02:30
BuntuTechi prefer to leave the OS the way the dev's made it02:30
urielvigilantAnother thinkg i felt Lubuntu is more bright in graphics02:31
BuntuTechu can always test in a VM...what is the host OS going to be in the new laptop?02:31
urielvigilantno02:31
urielvigilantUbuntu is more brighter02:31
BuntuTechyeah ubuntu is LOADED up with drivers and codecs02:32
urielvigilanti dont know if it is to use more colors or so...02:32
BuntuTechhas become a big OS02:32
urielvigilantSo maybe Ubuntu in a I5 with 4 or 6 GB ram, run so fast then Lubuntu in my laptop now02:32
BuntuTechyeah02:33
BuntuTechthat i5 will run ubuntu fast02:33
BuntuTechi have one of those i5 in a laptop with 4 gb ram it runs ubuntu well and its 4 years old02:33
urielvigilantNo iam checking here, i think i will buy this one http://tiendas.mediamarkt.es/p/ordenador-portatil-packard-bell-enle69kb-amd-e2-3800-ram-4gb-dvd-8x-supermulti-124318002:35
BuntuTechmt graphics look bright in lubuntu02:35
urielvigilantor maybe this one http://tiendas.mediamarkt.es/p/ordenador-portatil-packard-bell-easynote-le-69-amd-quad-core-e2-3800-8gb-122179802:35
urielvigilantI think none of those are I502:36
urielvigilantAMd quad core with 8 GB RAM02:36
BuntuTechyeah that a little amd quad core02:36
BuntuTechamd are cool i like the intel better though02:37
BuntuTechintel and buntu seems to really get along well02:37
urielvigilantFor a little bit more"ding ding i can have a I3 with 4GB Ram http://tiendas.mediamarkt.es/p/ordenador-portatil-hp-pavilion-notebook-pc-17-f003ns-intel-core-i3-4030u-500gb-ram-4gb-124982902:38
urielvigilantWIch one could be faster the AMd with 8GB RAm or the I3 with 4 GB RAM02:38
urielvigilant?02:38
BuntuTechi3 is faster02:38
BuntuTechbut if u open too many programs at once...02:38
BuntuTechu need ram so then the amd would be fsaster02:39
urielvigilantEven lower in Ram  ? Woow i had no idea02:39
urielvigilanthoo ok02:39
BuntuTechits faster UNTIL u open too many things02:39
BuntuTechor if u run some big ram intensive things02:39
BuntuTechwhat do use the computer for?02:40
urielvigilantIf i work only with word processor i3 with 4gb ram is faster , if i work with word processo, browser, excell processor same tima amd with 8gb ram is faster oes int ?02:40
BuntuTechyeah simple processing with not a lot of stuff open i3 will win02:40
urielvigilantand save more energy doesnit , so battery last long02:41
BuntuTechyeah i3 is more efficient02:41
BuntuTechintel, if u compare smae class of hardware wins in speed and temp and uses less enrgy02:42
BuntuTechyou can compare cpu's at gamedebate.com02:42
BuntuTechit will tell u the watts they both use and which is faster02:43
BuntuTechand a lot more02:43
urielvigilantif it comes with windows 8, i can keep booth . but iam afraid, because in anterior experiences in this laptop i always corrupted GRubed at some time . . .and lost everything02:43
urielvigilantfor more then one time02:43
BuntuTechthats why i like VM02:43
BuntuTechi do not like dual boot02:43
BuntuTechi would run w8 as host and lubuntu or ubuntu in the VM02:44
urielvigilanthow to do that ?02:44
BuntuTechinstall a free VM in the w8 OS  for example i am doing that right now using VMware02:44
BuntuTechfree easy simply and rock steady02:44
urielvigilanti nver heard about VM02:44
urielvigilantlolol too newby02:45
BuntuTechvirtual machine02:45
BuntuTecheven ubuntu has that they call it virtual box02:45
urielvigilantSo when i got the laptop i install a  windows 8 virtual machine02:46
BuntuTechyou simply install a VM then you download a OS then you open the VM and it guides you thru instaqlling the OS  in the VM02:46
urielvigilantit run like an app on it ?02:46
BuntuTechno after you get the laptop the 1st thing u do is burnthe w8 back up recvoery disks02:46
BuntuTechdo not forget that02:46
urielvigilantwhy ?02:46
BuntuTechbecasue windows gets virus easy and u need the backup disks to be perfect02:47
urielvigilantho ok02:47
BuntuTechby burning them before u go online you are assured of having good clean OS backup disks02:47
urielvigilantI just want windos to kep playing Onlive. Some week ago we can play it on Linux anymore.02:47
BuntuTechunless they gave them too you when u buy it but they quit doing that here02:48
urielvigilantwe cant play Onlive anymore. .02:48
BuntuTechoncce u burn the recovery disks let w8 update - before going online02:48
BuntuTechthen...02:48
urielvigilantyes02:48
BuntuTechmake a 2nd account that one will be "standard account" NEVER EVER go online in the 1st logon account because it is ADMIN (root) and u will ruin the OS windows is weak02:49
BuntuTechafter you have done all that...download and install the VMware  VM02:49
urielvigilantnice secure tip02:50
BuntuTechans put your favorite linus distors in that02:50
BuntuTechi have w8 as host and ubuntu. lubuntu peppermint vista xp in my VM02:50
urielvigilantVMware install and acts as an windows app doesn it ?02:50
BuntuTechwell not app no02:50
urielvigilantso aftr install how i run it ?02:51
BuntuTechits just a free download from VMware02:51
BuntuTechafeter install is a icon on desktop02:51
BuntuTechopen it02:51
urielvigilanthooo ok02:51
BuntuTechand it will ask u to create a virtual machine02:51
urielvigilantand a windows will apear ?02:51
BuntuTechin fact just go to youtube and you will see how simple it actually is02:51
urielvigilantyes i will02:52
BuntuTechit practically does it for you leads you right into it02:52
urielvigilantit will install Linux, as an independent doesn it ?02:52
BuntuTechw8 is weak so i usually am in my VM in ubuntu or lubuntu02:52
urielvigilantWhen you reboot, it dont ask you what start first doesni t?02:52
BuntuTechwheni am doneusinfg the VM i just SUSPEND it02:53
BuntuTechso next time i use it   it loads back up FASt02:53
BuntuTechbut thats just me02:53
urielvigilantBut windows will be running at same time ?02:53
BuntuTechyes02:54
BuntuTechit is host02:54
urielvigilantThat is not more danger ?02:54
BuntuTechbut i make the vm full screen when i use it02:54
urielvigilantbecause windows is so vuilnarebale doent ?02:54
urielvigilant"vulnerable02:54
BuntuTechwell u mus tunderstand that the VM cannot see windows02:54
BuntuTechthe VM is trapped in a file under that NON admin acciunt02:54
urielvigilantSo you think its simply  safe ?02:54
BuntuTechwell i am saying the VM runs out of a file unde DOCUMENTS in that "standard account" u created02:55
urielvigilantI created an admin account ut i dont use it ? then i creat a 2 user on it and use that ?02:55
urielvigilantthat it?02:55
BuntuTechexactly02:55
urielvigilantthank you  very much my friend. .02:55
BuntuTechwindows is too weak to run around in admin all the time admnin is for repairs only02:56
urielvigilantthats what i will do .02:56
BuntuTechlinux makes u non admin by default02:56
urielvigilantthats security02:56
BuntuTechwindows makes u admin by default thus almost every person who deostn study computers is INFECTED in windows02:56
BuntuTechi fix them all the time02:57
BuntuTechhaha they are so loaded with virus its rather funny02:57
BuntuTechin a more perfect work u would run linux as host OS and run w8 in the VM02:57
BuntuTechworld*02:57
BuntuTechbut since it is new and under warranty do not mess up the w8 installation02:58
BuntuTechbut always burn those w8 recovery disk immediately02:58
BuntuTechor u can burn it too a usb02:59
BuntuTechit is built in to w8 from the factory to burn its own image to a usb by default02:59
urielvigilanti can understand how that dont spend more battery energy03:01
urielvigilantand how that dont spend more RA03:01
urielvigilantmmore Ram or more processor03:01
urielvigilantresources..03:02
BuntuTechwell if ur on battery power only do not run w8 and the vm03:02
BuntuTechrun w803:02
BuntuTechit is very energy efficient03:02
urielvigilantmore then Lubuntu alone ?03:03
urielvigilantor Ubuntu alone ?03:03
BuntuTechlemme look at my w8 ram use one sec03:03
BuntuTechhere is example03:04
BuntuTechi m running w8 and this vm using lubuntu and a MASSIVE graphics intensive game and 2 browsers and skype using screen sharing which is also a pig and w9 is using 4.8 gb ram out of 12 and is only at 100 degrees farenhight temp03:05
BuntuTechso w8 is extrememly effecient03:06
BuntuTechthe game alone using 2gnb ram03:06
BuntuTechgb ram03:06
BuntuTechoh and gimp is open too haha03:06
BuntuTechwhen i dont have all this on w8 idles around 700-900 mb ram03:07
BuntuTechbut i once installed it on a gig of ram and it turns stuff off and runs great it has very good technology03:08
BuntuTechw8 is a work of art when it comes to efficency03:09
BuntuTechbut every hacker in TX knows how to hack windows03:09
urielvigilantyour favorit game its not inside OnLive?03:11
urielvigilantI use to play great games in my tiny laptop with onlive.. . with out problems.03:12
BuntuTechno neve rheard of it03:12
urielvigilantStreaming games . . you play in stream03:12
urielvigilantbut the game is in a distant server03:12
urielvigilantso you can play in any old computer the ultimate games for a mothly pay or for free03:13
urielvigilantgive it a try . . hooo you also can use it on your android tablet or phone even in the old ones03:13
urielvigilantwhat is your game ?03:14
urielvigilantthis use to work on linux with playonlinux or wine, but since Onlive upgraded the app, it never works anymore again03:15
urielvigilantThe another platform i use to use was www.gaikai.com but it was sold . Sony bought it for 400 millions i heard. now you cant play on pc. Sony plans to use it to playsations but in streaming too03:16
urielvigilantI think this will be the future. And gammers can stop spending money to upgrade to play.03:20
urielvigilantOpen a free account https://games.onlive.com/   and try free games with out install . play right now03:21
BuntuTechcheck out this funky cusotm wallpaper i made for my lubuntu desktop03:22
BuntuTechhttp://imgur.com/DbUMiCf03:23
BuntuTechhehe03:23
urielvigilantyou used the windows stamp03:25
urielvigilantdoesn it ?03:25
urielvigilantwe have to remember that we also have a valid legal licence for our Linux distros .03:25
urielvigilantlolol03:25
BuntuTechyeah i guess they do but i have never seen them03:29
BuntuTechdo u like the wallpaper?03:29
urielvigilantWhat about " Disk Fragmentation"03:29
BuntuTechw8 dees it automatically03:29
urielvigilantyes its a coll one with a " GReat Message on IT"03:29
BuntuTechw8 does a good job of staying defragged on its own03:30
BuntuTechlinux xdoesnt get fragged as u know03:30
urielvigilanti ask that, because that03:30
BuntuTecheverytime i ck w8 (analize disk) it is under the allowed range03:30
urielvigilantLinux reserve 5% of the disk to never defreag need03:30
BuntuTechw8 seems to always be  in a state of 1-4% freagged03:31
BuntuTechand it runs itself on intervals03:31
BuntuTechat 10 percent windows needs a defrag but ive never seen 8 ge there03:31
BuntuTechso it is doing its job well03:32
urielvigilantcan you help me put onlive running on Linux again, maybe contating the right peoples03:34
urielvigilantmaby playonlinux people . . .03:34
urielvigilantWhen we try to run OnLive on PLayOnLinux it say ; Failed to creat direct 3d, Please ensure you are using Direct x player 9 or later ( status cod a44a )03:42
gatisHi i installed Wine but it doesn't show up in Lubuntu menu!04:55
gatisi checked it has applications in ~/.local/share/applications and /usr/share/applications04:56
holstein!wine05:15
ubottuWINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu05:15
holsteingatis: ^05:15
holsteingatis: i find the wine applications in the .wine directory.. as if its a windows setup. in Program/ files05:16
gatisWhy it doesn't show up in menu?05:16
gatisI see it has created .desktop files and .directory files05:16
holsteingatis: its not really something you click on05:17
holsteingatis: wine lets you run other windows apps, that may try to give you a menu entry05:17
gatishmmm05:33
gatishaving hard time here05:33
hateballthe .desktop file wine creates is likely so you can doubleclick .exe's and have them open with wine, rather than typing in a terminal05:34
hateballalso it might create an entry for winecfg I guess05:34
gatisI want wine menu :)05:39
gatisI wan't to know why it doesn't show up05:39
gatisanyone who understands menus?05:43
* Speck whines! "My Lubuntu Wifi doesn't work ;s;"06:11
SpeckIt used to *sniffle*06:11
SpeckDuring the install... ...during the install the Wifi worked, but now it fails to!"06:28
gatisit's very hard to get help on IRC06:56
SpeckThanks for the assistance.07:24
hateballSpeck: Define "fails". Does it not show any networks? Does it fail to connect? etc07:40
hateballSpeck: Details like version of Lubuntu, and your wifi chipset also helps07:41
hateballgatis: It's not so hard, just a matter of patience until someone with the right answer comes along ;)07:41
SpeckI'll use my ethernet cable to download missing packages in the hopes of rectifying, thanks hateball.07:42
Speck(It confessed failure to install 'some' packages.)07:43
Speck(During install)07:43
hateballSpeck: Usually it's down to restricted firmware, so yes hooking up ethernets is a good first step07:43
SpeckIt worked during install...07:43
gatisPlease someone help to get Wine menu in Main menu in lxde!07:44
gasshoSo how do I enable wireless functionality & install packages that didn't get installed during system install?14:12
gasshoWell actually wifi worked during system install but do not work now.14:12
gasshoi just ran synaptic14:13
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gasshoApparently everything works :)14:35
gasshook bye14:35
johny__hello to all15:32
johny__i just installed Lubuntu 14.04 in an Intel NUC with 2 HDMI ports15:32
johny__but the traditional "export DISPLAY=:1.0"   doesnt work15:33
johny__does Lubuntu / LXDE needs any aditional tunning for export DISPLAY=:1.0   to work?15:33
holsteinjohny__: anything relevant to ubuntu will be relevant in lubuntu.. i would look at my grphics drivers, though, im pretty sure those are intel graphics15:54
holsteini would try "arandr"15:54
holstein!info arandr15:54
ubottuarandr (source: arandr): Simple visual front end for XRandR. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.7.1-1 (trusty), package size 66 kB, installed size 507 kB15:54
johny__I already used aRandr15:56
johny__It allows me to put one screen next to the other15:56
johny__but the "export DISPLAY=:1.0" still not works15:57
johny__stil doesnt work15:57
holsteinjohny__: what are you trying to do, friend?15:58
johny__I have 2 applications, and I would like to run app1 in screen 1, and app2 in screen 215:59
johny__in Ubuntu, I would do:15:59
johny__export DISPLAY=:0.0 ;  ./app115:59
holsteinjohny__: sure.. actually, let me just stop you right there.. lubuntu *is* ubuntu15:59
johny__export DISPLAY=:1.0 ; app215:59
holsteinjohny__: in ubuntu on the *same* hardware, with the same kernel and drivers you shoudl have the same experience15:59
holsteinits more likely not the issue that lubuntu is not doing that, but, something with the configuration on that partiular hardware..16:00
holsteinif you would like, you can share *exact* errors.. or, try loading up an ubuntu or xubuntu live CD and see for yourself first hand that in actual ubuntu, that export command works or doesnt16:00
gassho!repos16:03
ubottuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories.16:03
johny__mm ok, so your telling me this would probably happen also in Ubuntu  14.0416:06
holsteinjohny__: more or less.. what im saying is, lubuntu *is* ubuntu.. and you are saying what works for you in ubuntu is not working in lubuntu, but, im saying, you are assuming that.. what could also be happening is, what works for you in ubuntu is not working in ubuntu on that hardware16:07
johny__here is my exact error16:09
johny__$ export DISPLAY=:1.016:09
johny__** (gedit:14373): WARNING **: Could not open X display  (gedit:14373): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :1.016:09
holsteinjohny__: are you using the displays like that?16:10
holsteinanyways.. this is not a lubuntu or lxde isssue16:10
holsteini would try starting with http://superuser.com/questions/310197/how-do-i-fix-a-cannot-open-display-error-when-opening-an-x-program-after-sshi16:11
johny__ok, nice, because I was googling and googling for LXDE or Lubuntu problems.... and I wasnt getting nothing16:11
holsteinnot that the display is being forwarded16:11
GrujaHi... i buy old netbook, samsung n210 plus with 1.66ghz and 2gb ram... how lubuntu work on this configuration? lubuntu is good or very good for this netbook? my english is bad..sorry16:41
ianorlinthat will defintely work well on lubuntu I have run lubuntu on computers with 4 times less ram than that16:42
Grujaoh..thank you man. i start downloading.. when download i test all.. i mean that will very good.. thanks!16:43
Grujaone more quastion.. web camera work on lubuntu?16:43
ianorlinmine does but not sure of all16:44
ianorlinI even have an option to take pictures in black and white with my webcam16:44
Grujathanks16:46
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johncooperto stop Linux from crashing, what should I install with Trusty and 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2)?19:16
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stevendale1I'm going to try out lubuntu 14.10 beta1 on this 1st gen mac pro23:23
stevendale1how will i install grub on a 3tb hd?23:23
stevendale1do i install it into say, /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda, because it has a gpt table?23:24
gasshohow do i install mozart23:56
gasshon/m i googl'd :p23:57
gasshosorry23:57
gasshoshoulda dun that 2st23:57

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