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pittiGood morning04:51
larsugood morning!05:24
didrocksmornign05:34
didrocksmorning*05:34
larsuhi didrocks!05:34
didrockshey larsu! up early :)05:34
larsuyep :)05:35
didrockshow was your week-end?05:36
larsugood. Went to  climbing park yesterday05:36
larsuand I pulled something in my back :/05:36
* larsu can't walk properly05:36
larsuhow was yours?05:37
didrocksurgh :/05:51
didrocksI hope that you will get better son!05:51
didrockssoon*05:51
didrockswe did walk a lot, I guess something like 16kms again for the european days05:52
didrocks(they open quite a lot of buildings/monuments and orgnanize activities over the week-end for promoting them)05:52
larsuoh nice!05:54
larsuhow was it?05:54
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didrocksit was great, we avoided the rain ;)05:59
didrockswe saw a lot of painted walls inside buildings05:59
didrockswalked from park to park05:59
didrocksand also visited the local archive which just opened 10 minutes away from our home05:59
didrocks(it opened 2 weeks ago)06:00
didrocksyou can easily notice the building: http://www.lyonpoleimmo.com/2014/09/16/33284/le-batiment-des-archives-departementales-du-rhone-a-ouvert/06:01
didrocks(so, seeing how they store the archives, how they manage to get you access to them, and such…)06:01
larsusounds very interesting!06:04
didrocksyeah, it was great06:04
larsuand that building looks huge :)06:04
didrocksheh it is, to store all the archive of Lyon and nearby :)06:04
didrocksarchives*06:04
pittihey larsu, bonjour didrocks !06:27
larsupitti: guten morgen!06:27
didrocksguten morgen pitti!06:27
JackYudidrocks, hi07:01
didrocksJackYu: hey07:01
jack_didrocks, would please help to upload a package at bug #1371165?07:05
ubot5bug 1371165 in Ubuntu Kylin "[FFe] Upload ubuntu-kylin-sso-client to Archive for UKSC" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137116507:05
didrocksjack_: sure, I can handle this, however, you need the FFe to be approved first by the release team07:05
didrocks(which isn't the case it seems)07:05
didrocksjack_: you didn't suscribe the release team as per wiki page, that's why they didn't look at it yet07:06
jack_didrocks, OK, I will do it now:)07:06
didrocksjack_: mind pinging me back once they approved it? I'll then upload/make a review07:06
jack_didrocks, sure, thanks.07:07
didrocksyw! :)07:07
seb128good morning desktopers!07:47
didrockshey seb128!07:47
pittiit's a Sébastien !07:47
pittibonjour !07:48
seb128lut didrocks, pitti07:49
willcookemorning all08:04
Laneyhey hey08:04
didrocksmorning willcooke & Laney!08:04
darkxsthey Laney, didrocks seb128 pitti08:05
pittihey darkxst, how are you?08:05
didrockshello darkxst08:05
Laneygood day08:05
pittihey willcooke08:05
Laneygood weekends?08:05
* pitti waves to Laney, too08:05
darkxstpitti, good, but been too busy!08:06
seb128hey everyone08:06
larsumorning everyone!08:06
didrocksLaney: excellent, a lot of walking and visiting monuments in the city (it was the week-end were most of monuments normally closed were opened) :)08:06
didrocksLaney: how about you?08:06
Laneyclosed on the weekend08:06
Laneywhat witchcraft is this!08:06
didrocksLaney: not closed on the weekend, just like "closed", no public access :)08:06
willcookedidrocks, we had a simialr thing "Open London"08:07
Laneyvisited baby nephew on saturday, went climbing on sunday & then for a roast at a friend's house :-)08:07
Laneydidrocks: I mean that that's probably one of the days they should definitely be fully open by default?08:07
didrockswillcooke: yeah, seems it's something european (at least, they call it like this in France)08:07
didrocksLaney: well, the city town hall for instance isn't opened to the public, and they let people visiting it for those couple of day08:08
didrocksdays*08:08
Laneyoh I get it08:09
LaneyI thought you meant like art galleries08:09
darkxstLaney, any chance of getting the gnome-desktop transition though still, I've barely been around the computer the last week so havent been able to file a FFe just yet08:09
Laneydarkxst: I emailed poking Robert for it on Friday08:09
darkxstbut I have merges of gnome-desktop, g-s-d and g-c-c08:09
didrocksLaney: they are opened and free as well (where museum aren't in France), but it's more interesting to visit things you can't usually :)08:09
Laneyfor sure08:10
darkxstUsing the 3.10 power plugin/panel to avoid needing upower08:10
didrocksLaney: willcooke: seems it's called European Heritage Days in your country (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Heritage_Days)08:10
didrocks(and yeah, Open London in London because it shouldn't be named the same :p)08:11
Laneydarkxst: aha, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/137224008:11
ubot5Launchpad bug 1372240 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Remove unstable RandR and IdleMonitor gnome-desktop API from u-s-d/u-c-c" [Wishlist,New]08:11
Laneythe problem is that it's beta freeze today08:11
Laneyit would be a good change for us to have in before the beta though I reckon08:12
pittiLaney:08:13
darkxstLaney full transition or just the u-s-d/u-c-c changes first?08:13
pitti    upower: The type of the Device* signal arguments are 'o', not 's'.08:13
pitti    08:13
pittiLaney: I just noticed https://launchpadlibrarian.net/185450739/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-i386.python-dbusmock_0.11.3-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz08:14
pittiLaney: it seems upower 0.9 indeed needs 's', not 'o'08:14
pittiLaney: I missed that locally as I have upower 0.99 installed in utopic for months (and forgot about it)08:14
pittiLaney: I take it you only tested that with 0.99, not with 0.9/08:14
pitti?08:15
Laneypitti: Hmm, sorry about that, looks like it but I can't remember for sure08:17
Laneyyou want me to fix?08:17
pittiLaney: nah, I'm on it, I just wanted to ensure that you didn't specifically fix this for 0.908:18
pittiLaney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8401975/ fixes the tests for 0.9 again, verifying with 0.9908:18
Laneydarkxst: I didn't look at the transition itself yet, was focused on this08:19
Laneydo you have a summary of that?08:19
darkxstLaney, much the same as 3.10, mostly rebuilds, I don't believe there are any api changes outsides of the xrandr/idle monitor code08:24
Laneyokay, file the bug with list of packages please and I'll take a look08:25
jibelon latest utopic desktop in qemu lightdm doesn't start and I find nothing interesting in the logs. Any idea where to look to find out why this is happening?08:32
jibel/var/log/lightdm is empty08:33
jibelthis is bug 1371651 btw08:33
ubot5bug 1371651 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Daily does not boot into graphical interface after installation" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137165108:33
darkxstLaney, Bug 137234608:45
ubot5bug 1372346 in gnome-desktop3 (Ubuntu) "[FFe] gnome-desktop 3.12 transition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137234608:46
Laneydarkxst: cheers, subscribed ubuntu-release for you08:53
Sweetsharkmoin09:02
Sweetshark"Someone" (likely a kernel or nvidia-drivers update) broke my nvidia-optimus with an SRU on trusty btw which I pulled in on my first day of vacation ...09:04
Sweetshark... xorg just boots into an blank screen but thinks everything is fine. VTs still work and the xorg.log is suggesting a happy start.09:06
SweetsharkI worked around that by disabling optimus in BIOS (which I am luckily able on this device).09:07
willcookeSweetshark, I /think/ popey had the same problem09:16
popeyi dont use optimus09:17
seb128hum09:20
seb128we should probably try to get https://packages.qa.debian.org/u/usbmuxd/news/20140913T092542Z.html in utopic09:20
Laneyoh hi seb128 ;-)09:21
LaneySweetshark: #ubuntu-kernel maybe, would probably be good to identify the bad package09:21
seb128hey Laney ;-)09:22
willcookeseb128, looks like we have 1.0.7 right?09:23
Laneywhat's good about that version?09:23
seb128willcooke, no, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/usbmuxd 1.0.809:23
Laneyanyway it's good that we know the uploader09:24
seb128Laney, it should fix those gvfs-afc segfault we get09:24
* seb128 looks back for the bug09:25
seb128bug 135502009:26
ubot5bug 1355020 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "gvfs-afc-volume-monitor crashed with SIGSEGV in strlen()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135502009:26
seb128http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=74584409:26
ubot5Debian bug 745844 in libimobiledevice "libimobiledevice-utils: Segfault with iphone 3GS on many utilities" [Grave,Open]09:26
seb128Laney, ^09:26
seb128there is also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usbmuxd/+bug/136358309:27
ubot5Launchpad bug 1363583 in usbmuxd (Ubuntu) "usbmuxd is not compatible with libusbmuxd2 in ubuntu 14.10" [Undecided,New]09:27
Laneykay09:27
Laneyhyperair: we're talking about your package here09:28
seb128which states that any program using that lib ^ is going to segfault until we update usbmuxd09:28
hyperairhmm?09:28
hyperairyeha i uploaded a snapshot09:28
Laneyseb128 is wondering about syncing it09:28
seb128should we sync that to utopic?09:28
hyperairsure09:28
hyperairbut please do the testing09:28
seb128I don't have the required hardware for that :/09:28
hyperairnor do i09:28
hyperairthis is a joke09:28
* hyperair is maintaining the libgpod bunch of stuff because nobody else will do it09:29
hyperairbut i haven't an iphone myself09:29
Laneyapply to the dpl for an iphone :-)09:29
hyperairlet the iphone users burn. \o/09:29
hyperairnothanks, that shit shall stay out of my hands09:29
hyperairevil devices, those09:29
seb128well, the bts ticket has a comment from an user saying the update fixes the issue09:29
* hyperair strokes his nexus 509:29
hyperairwell, that's good enough for me. =p09:29
seb128let's sync!09:29
Laneythis is all very reassuring :P09:29
hyperairindeed09:29
hyperair\o/09:30
hyperairthing is, usbmuxd hasn't moved for 5 months or so before i packaged that snapshot09:30
hyperairupstream i mena09:30
seb128willcooke, do you know of anyone having an iphone around?09:30
hyperairso i guess it should be okay enough09:30
seb128yeah, fedora is also shipping a snapshot09:30
hyperairalright09:30
hyperairis it the same rev?09:30
hyperairand eh.. fedora isn't very reknown for its stability, is it?09:30
seb128http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/usbmuxd.git/09:30
seb1281.0.9-0.6.c24463e09:31
willcookeseb128, I have a 5s09:31
seb128indeed not09:31
hyperairbut debian's doing it, so it must be okay!09:31
seb128lol09:31
* hyperair coughs09:31
* hyperair hides under the desk09:31
seb128seems like willcooke can test things on a 5s09:31
seb128what sort of testing do we need?09:31
* willcooke . o ( the shame)09:31
seb128like "is it listed/working in rhythmbox"?09:31
hyperairno idea, plug it in, see if things randomly segfault?09:31
hyperairtry syncing09:31
hyperairi've heard people complaining that it doesn't work in 14.04 itself09:32
seb128willcooke, what's current happening if you plug that device on a 14.10 deskto?09:32
* willcooke will have to install a 14.10 desktop09:32
willcookeI assume this won't work well via a vm09:32
hyperairso we uh, have 5 more commits over fedora's snapshot09:32
hyperairmostly bugfixes09:32
seb128willcooke, not running Ubuntu are you? ;-)09:32
hyperair...and a protocol version switch09:32
* seb128 ducks09:32
seb128hyperair, urg09:33
willcookewait, I have to use this strange Linux thing do I?09:33
hyperairindeed09:33
seb128not the strange one09:33
willcookeI stick with LTS09:33
seb128the one for Ubuntu beings09:33
seb128Human*09:33
seb128even09:33
hyperairTHE ONE FOR HOOMINS09:33
willcookebut I will install 14.10 on my Inspiron09:33
seb128thanks09:33
hyperairyay09:34
* willcooke downloads the iso09:34
seb128good opportunity to try 14.10 daily :p09:34
seb128willcooke, thanks09:34
hyperairseb128: in any case, upstream says there shall be another release soon09:34
seb128hyperair, yeah, but beta freeze is today for us09:34
hyperairmm09:34
hyperairjust stick it in09:34
hyperairlet the beta testers flush the issues out09:34
seb128yeah09:34
Laneydo it, we can sync that later if necessary09:34
seb128Laney, ^ wdyt?09:34
hyperairindeed09:34
seb128who want to press the button? ;-)09:35
hyperairit's probably just moar bugfixes after this09:35
hyperairgo go09:35
happyarondidrocks: can you have a look at this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fcitx-qimpanel-configtool/+bug/137191209:35
ubot5Launchpad bug 1371912 in fcitx-qimpanel-configtool (Ubuntu) "Please remove fcitx-qimpanel-configtool from archive, supersede by fcitx-qimpanel" [Undecided,New]09:35
hyperair2014-09-10 04:07:41<nikias> hyperair just spoke to psp250. We'll cook up a release in the next few days.09:35
happyarondidrocks: seems it's blocking fcitx-qimpanel's proposed migration09:35
hyperairnext few days > (22 - 10) apparently.09:36
seb128great09:36
Laneycool09:36
happyaronattente_: is there any missing bit in the new fcitx release for you?09:37
* Laney acks bug #137224009:37
ubot5bug 1372240 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Remove unstable RandR and IdleMonitor gnome-desktop API from u-s-d/u-c-c" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137224009:37
seb128Laney, hyperair, ok so should I do the sync?09:37
Laneyok09:37
hyperairhttp://paste.debian.net/122326/ <-- this is what's changed in usbmuxd since i did that upload09:37
hyperairseb128: yeah go ahead09:37
seb128done09:38
hyperairhmmmm09:38
LaneyOH GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE09:38
seb128lol09:39
hyperair:D09:39
hyperairO:D09:39
hyperairOO:D <-- multiple halos for more credibility09:39
* Laney notices a bitcoin mining process running09:39
* hyperair lols09:39
didrockshappyaron: sounds good, removing! :)09:39
didrockshappyaron: you added some Replaces: in the version in proposed if it's installing the same files?09:40
happyaronyes09:41
seb128Laney, btw, new gst1.0 bugfix versions, should I sync gst/base?09:42
* didrocks flushes09:42
Laneyjibel: sorry for no reply, I just installed the daily in qemu and it works for me09:42
didrockshappyaron: next publisher cycle should have the removed09:43
Laneyseb128: already downloading to test build / install / sync09:43
didrocksremoval*09:43
seb128Laney, great09:43
seb128Laney, oh, can you get the new glib in rtm btw?09:43
Laneyerm09:43
seb128Laney, since it fixes the wakeup isue09:43
Laneythe polling thing?09:43
seb128yes09:43
LaneyI suppose so09:43
seb128that's important for the phone09:43
seb128great09:43
seb128thanks09:43
Laneyit's just the process09:43
jibelLaney, looks like a race somewhere, sometimes it starts, sometimes it doesn't.09:44
Laneywhatever is the test plan for glib ...09:44
seb128Laney, "make sure things keep working" :p09:44
Laneyseb128: I would like it if we could upload usd/ucc today too09:44
Laneydo you know if those branches are attached to the bug are it?09:44
seb128Laney, for gnome-desktop?09:44
Laneyyeah09:45
Laneythink it would be good to be in the beta09:45
seb128I think they are yes09:45
happyarondidrocks: thanks09:45
Laneyokay09:45
Laneywould you be able to put it in the train?09:45
seb128sure09:47
Laneyty09:48
jibelLaney, it happens once every 5 boots or so on my machine09:48
Laneyjibel: alright, I'll reboot a few times09:49
happyaronLaney: do you mind to add ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu to ubuntukylin packageset? I sent to request to devel-permission just now10:00
seb128Laney, can I upload a glib with a distro patch to silent those property warnings? ;-)10:01
Laneyyes, that's shared with ubuntu10:01
Laneyif you want, but I'm sad about it10:02
seb128Laney, well, what else do you suggest so I can work without having my command line spammed with warnings? ;-)10:02
Laneyexport G_ENABLE_DIAGNOSTICS=010:02
seb128we can spend efforts on GTK, but I see little point doing that when we are going to get the fixes for free next cycle when we update10:03
Laney:-)10:03
seb128we are not going to ask every user to export a "UNBUG_MY_DEV_ENV"10:03
Laneyyou said 'my'10:03
seb128well, I'm interested in a solution for utopic10:03
seb128which I'm using10:03
seb128so yeah, if we fix utopic, it fixes my case as well :p10:04
seb128do you think we benefit that much from those warnings?10:04
seb128it doesn't seem like something that adds value to the release to me10:04
seb128we are going to get those warning back next cycle, when we get the new GTK and don't get the side effect of having glib/gtk mismatching10:05
didrocksseb128: +1 for the distro patch10:05
LaneyI think it is gtk's problem, not glib's, so working round it there is bad form10:05
Laneybut go for it if you don't think fixing that is worth it10:05
seb128Laney, well, as said we can spend efforts on silencing GTK warnings on a version we plan to replace when next cycle opens10:05
happyaronLaney: then please add it when convenient10:05
seb128but it doesn't seem a good use of our resources to me10:06
Laneyhappyaron: that was "yes I do mind"10:06
seb128didrocks, thanks10:06
seb128Laney, thanks as well10:06
happyaronLaney: ok..10:06
Laneysorry, but it shouldn't have packages which are shared with Ubuntu10:06
Laneyit's a policy10:06
happyaronfine to me10:06
seb128Laney, I'm going to distro patch that for utopic, so we don't waste resources reducing noise on a gtk version which is not buggy for users otherwise, knowing that gtk is already fixed in the new serie so things are sorting themself once we update10:07
LaneyI guess my main problem is that it is targeting one problem with a solution that affects everything10:07
Laneyand if you want to do that thing then it is for upstream10:08
seb128well, it's not like those warnings were useful in a stable version10:08
seb128it's the same way we turn off apport for release10:08
Laneybut last time desrt didn't want to add such a thing to glib, so ...10:08
seb128well, he provided me the patch10:09
seb128and it said it makes sense rather than spending time "fixing" gtk 3.1210:09
seb128with the agreement that the patch is only for utopic10:09
seb128next cycle we have a fixed gtk and we can go back to show warnings during unstable serie10:09
didrocksI really don't think users must undergo the technical details of why we didn't upgrade some parts when there is no visible effect at all of the cause10:09
didrocksand we should always keep that in mind for our decisions10:09
LaneyI've made my points, this is circular now10:10
Laneyjust do it10:10
darkxstgah, https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/unity-settings-daemon/xkb still not been merged ;(10:11
Laneythat can be in this landing10:12
darkxstLaney, ok, so land the unity changes pre freeze? and the rest post freeze?10:16
Laneythink so10:16
darkxstLaney, I just pushed all rebuild to ppa:darkxst/gnome-desktop, so that basically has everything except u-s-d/u-c-c10:18
Laneydarkxst: I'd like it if they were in a copyable form10:20
Laneyie using distro version numbers10:20
willcookeseb128, got 14.10 installed.  what do you need me to do?10:21
seb128willcooke, connect your iphone to usb and see what happens I guess10:22
darkxstLaney, sure can do, I can repush them after freeze10:22
seb128like is it listed as a mount10:22
seb128willcooke, see if rhythmbox lists it/includes music10:22
willcookeseb128, 1st plugin in = crash of something.  Trying to work out what10:23
seb128willcooke, gvfs-afcd I guess?10:23
willcookeseb128, now I've told the phone to "trust" the desktop, and trying again10:23
seb128willcooke, the "details" in the apport dialog should tell you what process it was10:24
willcookeseb128, "Unable to mount $iphone_name. Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)"10:24
willcookeseb128, gvfs-afc-volume-monitor10:26
seb128k10:26
willcookeseg fault10:26
willcookein strlen()10:26
willcookeand then10:27
seb128willcooke, great, now we need to see if the issue is still there with the usbmuxd update from this morning10:27
willcooke"The problem cannot be reported.  You have obsolete package version installed"10:27
seb128it should be fixed with the new version10:27
willcookeseb128, so I should wait a day or so, upgade and try again10:27
willcooke?10:27
Laneydarkxst: preferably in a dedicated ppa10:27
Laneyso I can just copy everything from it10:27
seb128willcooke, no need to wait a day, it's in utopic, run update-manager, upgrade, reboot, try again10:28
Laneyty10:28
willcookeseb128, ack10:28
seb128willcooke, thanks10:28
seb128willcooke, the package just migrated, it might take another 15 minutes before apt/update-manager sees the update10:29
willcookeseb128, no worries10:29
darkxstLaney, what do you mean? that is a dedicated ppa (although it still has trusty packages from last time around)10:30
Laneydarkxst: indeed, there's other things in there10:30
Laneyyou can delete those instead if you want10:30
seb128darkxst, Laney, you want https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/unity-settings-daemon/xkb/+merge/224919 to be merged as well?10:34
seb128that needs to be rebased on top of https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-settings-daemon/xrandr/+merge/224548 if so10:34
seb128they conflict on debian/control changes10:34
darkxstseb128, yes, let me rebase now10:35
seb128thanks10:35
willcooketkamppeter, email from Brother re: IPP. CC'd you on the reply. They're going to test their IPP printers with 14.10 \o/10:37
seb128nice!10:38
darkxstseb128, rebased and pushed, but silly bzr ate the history10:44
seb128k10:44
seb128the way you do it usually is merge trunk/the other vcs in, resolve the conflict and commit that10:44
seb128bah10:45
seb128is bugzilla.gnome.org down?10:46
seb128oh, no, just slow it seems10:46
darkxstseb128, that seems kind of backwards but then I mostly work with git more than bzr10:51
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LaneyI hope I'm driving this rtm sync right ........11:22
seb128Laney, can l53 be deleted? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/12.10.5+14.10.20140919-0ubuntu1 seems to include the change you describe in there11:23
Laneythat landed11:23
Laneydon't know about deleting lines, never done that before11:23
seb128just delete it if it's deprecated11:23
Laneyok11:24
darkxstseb128, repushed branch with fixed history11:25
seb128darkxst, shrug11:25
seb128I had it in a silo building11:25
seb128I guess I can start from scratch again now :/11:25
* seb128 is slightly annoyed11:26
darkxstseb128, I told you the history was messed up11:26
seb128well, I didn't care much about that11:26
seb128as long as the code changes are ok11:26
seb128but ok, let me see if I can cancel the build11:26
LaneyIf you can't I can, give me a PPA link11:27
seb128I clicked the red cross on the jenkins job11:27
seb128trying to restart a build11:27
Laneyyou might have to cancel the actual build  in the PPA too11:28
seb128it was still preparing the packages, didn't do the actual dput I think11:28
Laneyoh I don't even see it https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-02011:28
seb128https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-020-1-build/35/console11:28
Laneyyeah11:28
Laneynot much loss then11:28
seb128https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-020/+packages11:59
seb128has u-s-d/u-c-c to test11:59
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willcookeseb128, do I need to be running proposed in order to get those updates?12:52
seb128willcooke, no12:52
seb128they should be available by now, if you are not using a mirror at least12:52
willcookejust looking to see whats been upgraded12:52
willcookesome glib networking things12:53
willcookeahhh12:53
willcookeusbmuxd12:53
willcookekk12:53
willcookehrm now upowerd is segv12:56
willcookeseb128, ok - it's better.  It mounts the device and it knows its a music player and a camera13:03
seb128willcooke, great!13:04
willcookebut I still see an error "unable to mount $iphone_device_name.  Unhandled lockdown error (-256)"13:04
willcookethat error doesnt seem to break anything though13:04
willcookelike13:04
willcookeI can see browse the device13:04
seb128willcooke, thanks, iphone support is known to be suboptimal, I wanted to see at least the segfault resolved13:06
seb128which seems to be the case13:06
willcookeyeah, certainly an improvement13:06
willcookeseb128,  second boot everything worked fine13:07
seb128nice!13:07
seb128Laney, do you want to test that ppa more? or should I just land that to utopic?13:24
Laneyseb128: I didn't test it yet, let me just install and reboot13:25
seb128Laney, thanks13:25
Laneyseb128: ucc is still building?13:29
seb128Laney, oh right, I keep forgetting you guys don't use i386 ;-)13:30
Laneyyeah I should upgrade to that at some point13:31
seb128hehe13:31
seb128Laney, ok, amd64 built, I guess it's going to take some extra minutes for the index to be updated13:34
Laneyok, cool, should give me time to prod at this script some more13:34
Laneywhat the hell is up with lxc lately13:35
* Sweetshark building LibreOffice 4.3.2~rc2 with fixed mergedlibs, autopkgtests and dropped transitionals13:41
desrtLaney: btw: i have another glib stable on the way13:42
desrtwhich one you package is not really critically important13:42
desrtbut the existing stable misses some semi-important bsd-related fixes13:42
desrti got to hear about that all weekend long from some of my new friends :)13:43
Laneyoh well I didn't start on that13:43
desrti'll have .2 out the door today some time13:43
desrtalong with the .013:43
Laneywouldn't want to upset the ubuntu/freebsd community13:44
desrt:)13:44
desrtthat's why i say that it doesn't matter much for you :p13:44
seb128Laney, https://git.gnome.org/browse/shotwell/tree/NEWS ... do you consider shotwell 0.18 -> 0.20 as something that requires a ffe?14:39
LaneyI think so, for those new services, would be good to have it tested14:42
seb128I've no clue what those services are and no real interest into looking into that14:42
seb128what if I disable build of those new services? :p14:42
didrocksseb128: thanks for source NEWing nose-json on Friday btw, mind looking at binNEWing it? :)14:42
JackYulaney, hi, would you please review the FFe request at bug #1371165?14:43
Laneythen it would probably be fix only14:43
ubot5bug 1371165 in Ubuntu Kylin "[FFe] Upload ubuntu-kylin-sso-client to Archive for UKSC" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137116514:43
seb128didrocks, sure, looking14:43
didrocksthanks14:43
seb128Laney, thanks14:43
JackYuLaney, Hi~~14:44
LaneyJackYu: I will do14:45
JackYuLaney, great, thanks:)14:45
seb128Laney, ok, so those are plugins which are not enabled by default for non-common services (one of them is a czesh specific one) ... is it worth filing a ffe if I state I can't/don't wantt to spend time trying to get those exotic options tested?14:57
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seb128Laney, or is it better if I try to axe in the build-system to make them not installed at all?14:57
Laneyyou mean that you have to go to preferences -> plugins and enable them?15:00
JackYuLaney, also, could you help to release the "ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu 87"? we have merged the ubuntu-kylin-slideshow into it.15:01
seb128Laney, yes15:02
LaneyJackYu: I think that is in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/8615:02
JackYuLaney, yeap...15:03
LaneyJackYu: it's in the NEW queue for an archive admin to review https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=15:05
seb128Laney, JackYu, slideshow NEWed15:07
seb128didrocks, nose binNEWed as well15:08
didrocksseb128: thanks!15:08
seb128yw!15:08
JackYuseb128, Laney, that's great, thanks.15:08
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seb128ok, I'm off for some exercice15:09
seb128Laney, would be nice if you could test the silo ppa so I can publish when I'm back, also please advice what to do for shotwell, I would like to get that update/the bugfixes in utopic15:10
seb128bbiab15:10
Laneyseb128: I think you can upload shotwell, but I don't much like "I don't want to test the new features" :(15:11
LaneyFair enough if the Czech one is too hard to do though15:11
LaneyI'll test the silo in parallel with DMB15:11
seb128Laney, I would test the features if they were things most users would use/exercice or easy to hit, I'm not going to create some accounts on random online services with my email to test some hidden plugin functionality though15:15
seb128I'm happy to hack the buildsystem/packaging around to drop those plugins though15:16
seb128thanks for the testing!15:16
Laneythe silo seems good from what I can see15:27
JackYuHi Laney, how about bug #1371165?  tomorrow is beta final freeze:).15:31
ubot5bug 1371165 in Ubuntu Kylin "[FFe] Upload ubuntu-kylin-sso-client to Archive for UKSC" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137116515:31
LaneyI'm just finishing up with a meeting15:31
JackYuI see. Busy Monday...15:33
LaneyJackYu: there you go15:36
JackYuLaney,  thanks!15:37
JackYudidrocks, hi, could you help to upload this package at bug #1371165 ? Laney approved the FFe just now.15:39
ubot5bug 1371165 in ubuntu-kylin-software-center (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Upload ubuntu-kylin-sso-client to Archive for UKSC" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137116515:39
didrocksJackYu: hum, let me have a look15:39
didrocksJackYu: seems like you already asked and gave to seb128, right?15:40
didrocksseeing that he commented 5 hours ago)15:40
JackYudidrocks, seb128 have helped to review it.15:40
didrocksJackYu: where are the updates? https://code.launchpad.net/~luolei/ubuntu-kylin-sso-client/trunk is from the 19th15:41
didrocksJackYu: the debian/copyright fix is not in trunk15:42
JackYudidrocks, let's me check.15:43
didrocksJackYu: also: bzr: ERROR: Inconsistency between source format and version: version is native, format is not native.15:44
didrocksdebian/source/format should be: 3.0 (native)15:44
Laneydiff the packaging with ubuntu-sso-client? ;-)15:45
didrocksLaney: yeah, I was doing that, seems similar15:45
JackYudidrocks, I will update the code asap.15:45
didrocksLaney: the thing is that I can't even bzr bd :p15:45
didrocksJackYu: in addition to what seb128 told: W: ubuntu-kylin-sso-client source: missing-license-paragraph-in-dep5-copyright gpl-3 with openssl exception (paragraph at line 3)15:48
didrocksplease add the paragraph15:48
didrocksJackYu: also debian/tests/control mentions a run-tests file which doesn't exist in debian/tests/15:49
JackYudidrocks, Sure.15:50
didrocksJackYu: nitpick, but, please change the date to be a real one in debian/changelog15:50
didrocksThu, 19 Sep 2014 -> was a Friday15:50
didrocksJackYu: a hint, when you build the package, you have lintian warnings in the end, they tell you that :)15:50
JackYuOK!15:51
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LaneyI think the Tests-Directory: . fixes the debian/tests thing15:51
LaneyMakes it look in the root of the package which has such a script15:51
didrocksLaney: I compared to u-s-c, and it seems that they still have the other file15:51
didrocksI don't really know and want to risk blocking in proposed though, wdyt?15:51
didrocksif you are sure it's working that way, fine with me :)15:52
Laneythis is also part of the diff15:52
Laney+Tests-Directory: .15:52
didrocksJackYu: and finally (other small things, but not too big):  ubuntu-kylin-sso-client-qt has a too long description line, please wrap in debian/control to 80 characters15:52
didrocksLaney: ah ok, thanks for the hint, JackYu: please ignore the test comment then15:53
LaneyLooks like all the Ubuntu one does is run that script15:53
JackYugood:)15:53
Laneysomeone's clever, fixing that :P15:53
didrocksJackYu: oh, and in debian/control -> Priority: extra -> set it to optional please :)15:54
didrocksno reason to have it extra15:54
didrocksJackYu: ok, the rest is minor, just do those changes and I'll NEW it15:56
JackYudidrocks, got it, dong now15:57
didrocksJackYu: seeing the commit: 7 Files: *15:57
didrocks 7Files: all others15:57
didrocksthis is wrong :)15:57
didrocksfor the second one, just keep Files: *15:57
didrocks(this will be "all other files" from the spec)15:58
didrocksJackYu: do you think you are nearly done? I'm going to EODing soon, but I guess seb128 can finish it once he's back as he will finish later on16:08
didrocks(I posted my comments on the bug report so that he can continue)16:09
JackYudidrocks, in 2 minutes:)16:10
didrocksJackYu: also, in changelog, add the LP: #bugnumber for the FFe so that people aren't suprised by the new package :) (even if it won't close the bug automatically)16:12
JackYugot it.16:13
JackYudidrocks, Committed.16:17
didrocksJackYu: forgot to push? https://code.launchpad.net/~luolei/ubuntu-kylin-sso-client/trunk16:18
JackYuoh...16:18
JackYudidrocks, wait a moment16:19
JackYudidrocks, I got this error: bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(chroot-78301392:///%2Bbranch/ubuntu-kylin-sso-client/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport16:21
didrocksJackYu: you stopped a bzr push I guess16:21
didrocksyou need to break the lock16:22
didrocksJackYu: bzr break-lock lp:ubuntu-kylin-sso-client16:22
JackYuOK, thanks.16:22
didrocksthen, if it's your lock, answer yes and bzr push again16:22
LaneyI think not16:22
Laneyfrom that URL it looks like the branch is owned by someone else16:22
Laneyonly the owner can push to it, assuming that ~luolei is a person and not a team16:23
didrocksoh right16:23
didrockshttps://code.launchpad.net/~luolei/ubuntu-kylin-sso-client/trunk16:23
didrocksit's not a team16:23
didrocksJackYu: ^16:23
JackYuOh...16:23
didrocksmeanwhile, push to your namespace16:24
Laneyyou could do bzr push lp:~ubuntukylin-members/ubuntu-kylin-sso-client/trunk16:24
Laneyand switch the trunk branch of that project to point to this team one16:24
didrocksand I'll push the package from it16:24
Laneythat seems sensible to me16:24
didrocksyeah16:24
JackYuOK16:24
JackYuYou both are smart guys:)16:25
JackYupushing16:25
Laneytoo much time clicking in launchpad over the years16:25
JackYulol:)16:26
didrocksJackYu: the line too long in debian/control is actually " Qt frontend to be used by the desktop service to sign into Ubuntu Kylin services16:27
didrocks"16:27
didrocksyou removed the line after :)16:27
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didrocksall the rest is fine (for reference, you normally reference launchpad bugs with LP: #bugnumber, but it's not important in that case as the bug can't be closed automatically until the package is in ubuntu16:29
didrocksJackYu: want me to fix debian/control and push it somewhere?16:29
didrockswill be quicker16:29
JackYudidrocks, that's very nice16:29
JackYuplease:)16:29
didrocksJackYu: yw! you can pull from there: lp:~didrocks/ubuntu-kylin-sso-client/fix-description-wrapping16:31
didrocksJackYu: uploading it for you now and NEWing16:31
didrocksW: ubuntu-kylin-sso-client source: missing-runtime-test-file ./run-tests16:31
* didrocks trusts Laney then16:31
didrocksIt will be all your fault dude! :)16:31
Laneyme?16:31
JackYudidrocks, thanks. I will pull back now.16:32
Laneyyou could try running the tests!16:32
JackYuLaney, lol...16:32
didrocksLaney: in case the directory trick doesn't work :)16:32
Laneyit's okay, I'll be far away by the time we find that out16:32
Laneyon the beach sipping cocktails16:32
didrocksLaney: ahah :)16:32
didrocksJackYu: ok, I'll ping you on #ubuntu-release FYI with the NEWing and source NEW :)16:33
didrocksand then bin NEW16:33
* didrocks links downstream and upstream project meanwhile16:35
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didrockshum, building starts in 17 minutes16:35
didrocksseems the builders are busy16:35
didrocksseb128: in case I'm not around anymore once ubuntu-kylin-sso-client binary packages are built, mind binNEWing them? I've already reviewed with a local build and I +1.16:36
Laneylooks like a kde flood16:36
didrocksJackYu: FYI ^16:36
didrocksLaney: yeah, seems so :p16:36
seb128didrocks, ok16:37
didrocksthanks seb128!16:37
seb128yw!16:38
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willcookeEOD, tata17:11
tsdgeosseb128: kenvandine: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/ubuntu-system-settings/update_pot/+merge/23549717:15
seb128tsdgeos, we don't do mps for pot update, we just commit to trunk17:15
tsdgeosi tried17:15
tsdgeosi have no power17:16
tsdgeosso you can do it17:16
tsdgeosmaybe17:16
tsdgeosor approve my mp :D17:16
seb128well, approving your mp sure17:16
seb128but that's not going to make that change land17:16
tsdgeosright17:16
tsdgeosseb128: so then you can do it or give me moar powers :D17:16
seb128you want to be added to the team?17:17
tsdgeosnot really, i just want stuff to be translatable17:17
seb128I'm fine doing it, more reviewers for us, it's always good17:17
tsdgeosyou get to choose how we make it happen :)17:17
seb128we all do17:17
seb128but those manual pot updates suck17:17
tsdgeosagreed17:17
tsdgeosi've complained to about everyone i could17:17
tsdgeosprobbly not you17:17
seb128complaining is not providing a solution though17:18
tsdgeos:D17:18
seb128tsdgeos, added you to the settings team, feel free to commit17:18
seb128or to push rather17:18
tsdgeosseb128: as i've said to lots of people we have a solution that works in KDE land, and we're a bunch of random non paid hackers, if we don't have a solution in canonical is because noone seems to think it's important, not because it's hard17:19
seb128tsdgeos, we have a solution for years on the Ubuntu side17:19
tsdgeosdoesn't seem to be working ^_^17:19
tsdgeospushed17:19
seb128the Ubuntu solution is working17:20
seb128it's just that it doesn't work for clicks17:20
seb128so people decided to translate the upstream components and not the Ubuntu package17:20
seb128thanks17:20
tsdgeosyw :)17:21
seb128also KDE has an easier job (as does GNOME)17:21
seb128they probably have consistant build tools accross their components17:22
tsdgeostrue, but we don't use the build system to generate the .pot files so that's a non issue17:22
seb128e.g you have a standard way to update the pot17:22
seb128well, you probably use standard tools though17:22
seb128like intltool17:22
seb128or whatever qt is using17:22
tsdgeosyep, have a Messages.sh file somewhere that does the work17:22
tsdgeosdaemon will find it, run it and be done with it17:23
seb128if everything was using intltool it would be easy17:23
seb128we could call intltool-update automatically17:23
tsdgeosanyhow, got things to do17:24
* tsdgeos waves17:24
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happyaronseb128: can you also binNEW ubuntukylin-wallpapers-utopic after it's built?18:16
kodiak11Is there a quick guide on customizing / making the most use of Unity for new users to Unity but obviously not to Linux?  I'm coming from the XFCE world and trying to give Unity a fair shake.18:17
sarnoldkodiak11: hold down the windows key and you'll get a cheatsheet dialog box18:18
kodiak11so that's how to get the damn thing back lol18:19
kodiak11I X'd it on the first boot and was like I'll look later...18:20
sarnoldhehe18:20
seb128happyaron, sure18:28
happyaronseb128: thanks, and btw both wallpapers and sso client are NEW now, :)18:29
seb128k18:29
seb128yw!18:29
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seb128happyaron, NEWed19:09
happyaronyea!19:10
happyarontime for bed..19:10
seb128happyaron, night19:14
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