[01:12] <ScottK> xnox: Clearcase has nothing to do with the best.  You are correct.
[15:00] <bdrung_work> !dmb-ping
[15:01] <Laney> aiiiieeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[15:01] <Mirv> o/
[15:02] <bdmurray> \o
[15:04] <ScottK> \o/
[15:04] <ScottK> michag said he wouldn't be able to make it.
[15:05] <ScottK> That leaves bdrung_work, xnox, and stgraber
[15:05] <bdrung_work> i'm here
[15:06] <stgraber> I'm around
[15:06] <ScottK> That makes a quorum then.
[15:07] <ScottK> bdmurray: Aren't you up for chair today?
[15:08] <ScottK> Or maybe I'm reading it wrong and it's micahg.
[15:08]  * ScottK seizes the day.
[15:08] <ScottK> #startmeeting DMB
[15:08] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Sep 22 15:08:27 2014 UTC.  The chair is ScottK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:08] <ScottK> #info Review of previous action items
[15:09] <ScottK> Don't see any.
[15:10] <ScottK> #info Applications - Timo Jyrinki
[15:10] <ScottK> Mirv: Can you tell us a bit about yourself and why you're applying for MOTU?
[15:10] <ScottK> #topic Applications - Timo Jyrinki
[15:11] <ScottK> (there we go)
[15:11] <Mirv> I'm a DD since 2008 and I've had PPU rights since last year to Qt packages
[15:11]  * xnox o/
[15:11] <Mirv> I'd like to have MOTU rights to be more able to handle the CI Train landings (a portion of them) and to be able to do patch piloting in a sane way
[15:12] <Mirv> in the past I've tried to eg. help Xubuntu and Ubuntu Studio guys, but it's a bit hard since eventually I've needed a sponsorer
[15:12] <ScottK> Do you do much in the way of non-CI train managed uploads?
[15:12]  * Mirv also just managed to catch a bus in a rain with laptop open and it's not broken
[15:13] <Mirv> ScottK: I would do on my patch pilot shifts in the future. otherwise generally not much, since everything I do related to Ubuntu phone efforts tends to go through silos.
[15:13] <ScottK> OK.
[15:14] <Mirv> for the train landings, MOTU would help me to approve universe packaging changes without consuming other MOTUs or core-devs' time
[15:14] <ScottK> How can we make the Qt5 process better with Debian?  It seems like Ubuntu is always behind and we end up with packages that are autosynced, but not buildable.
[15:15] <Mirv> ScottK: it's hard to predict the future. when the phone effort started squeezing down on feature releases and 5.3.0 seemed to work for us very well, it seemed less risky to cherry-pick fixes instead of going for 5.3.1
[15:16] <ScottK> And now we're going to release 14.10 two releases behind.
[15:16] <Mirv> 5.3.2 is now out and I've started working on that again, but it'd be for the start of v-series
[15:16] <Mirv> the original problem is that Ubuntu phone efforts have a very heavy QA and 0 regressions policy, which makes it harder to do timely transitions compared to Debian
[15:17] <Mirv> notably our 5.3.0 does have a portion of 5.3.1 as is, and a lot of important fixes for qtbase and qtdeclarative
[15:17] <ScottK> But now that they have their own RTM derivative, why should Ubuntu be stuck because of phone?
[15:18] <Mirv> we will get to the same problem with 5.4.x - from phone point of view, it'd seem less risky to consider switching to .2/.3 Qt upstream releaes instead of .0, but again other interest holders would probably like .0. Not sure though this time, as Qt 5 is becoming more mature and Debian is going into freeze with 5.3.2
[15:18] <ScottK> Next cycle Kubuntu will probably need 5.4 for Plasma 5, so it'll be fun.  Think about it.
[15:18] <ScottK> Anyone else?
[15:19] <Mirv> ScottK: my understanding is that phone effort will merge back to Ubuntu around the beginning of v-series. at the moment, there is no specific reason why someone else couldn't have worked on 5.3.1 to Ubuntu, and actually mitya57 did a bit of that too
[15:19] <Mirv> ScottK: yeah, it'll need to be continously pondered. I assumed as much (5.4 wanted)
[15:20] <Mirv> note that I don't have information on the derivative distro long term plans. but when the focus is there, like now, Ubuntu can have Qt uploads freely regardless of what the phone efforts wants
[15:21] <xnox> Mirv: have you handled large soname transitions in Ubuntu? how would you do one, if you had to?
[15:22] <Mirv> xnox: soname transitions are something I need to always get back to documentation with, since I do that rarely. I did some during the Unity / Compiz 12.10/13.04 cycles, bumping the package names according to the soname changes and handling reverse dependencies.
[15:23] <Mirv> and providing conflicts/breaks as needed for the bumped library
[15:24] <Mirv> in short, I'd read the documentation and prepare carefully so that there wouldn't be problem in the release pocket migration
[15:25] <bdmurray> Mirv: in your application you make reference to some check lists that you use. Are those personal check lists or have you shared them somewhere (e.g. a wiki)?
[15:26] <xnox> Mirv: speaking about proposed migration - Where is ubuntu documentation for it? Can you identify and tell why xiphos package has not migrated to release pocket yet?
[15:26] <Mirv> bdmurray: personal really. I've a mix of helper scripts and pseudo-scripts (check-lists) for eg. packaging review when Canonical upstream devs want their packages into archive
[15:26] <Mirv> and I use emacs org-mode too
[15:27] <Mirv> xnox: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration
[15:27] <Mirv> xnox: on a quick look at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html the binaries seem missing
[15:27] <Mirv> ah, right, in the NEW queue https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=
[15:28] <Mirv> so archive admin would need to do binary approval
[15:28] <xnox> Mirv: cool, thanks.
[15:30] <Laney> I'm good
[15:31] <ScottK> #vote Mirv for MOTU
[15:31] <meetingology> Please vote on: Mirv for MOTU
[15:31] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:31] <ScottK> +1
[15:31] <meetingology> +1 received from ScottK
[15:31] <Laney> +1
[15:31] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[15:31] <bdrung_work> +1
[15:31] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung_work
[15:31] <Laney> Would be good to see you in #ubuntu-motu
[15:31] <ScottK> Yes
[15:31] <xnox> +1
[15:31] <meetingology> +1 received from xnox
[15:31] <bdmurray> +1
[15:31] <meetingology> +1 received from bdmurray
[15:31] <Mirv> done, saved to irssi settings
[15:31] <ScottK> stgraber: ?
[15:32] <stgraber> +1
[15:32] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[15:32] <ScottK> #endvote
[15:32] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Mirv for MOTU
[15:32] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:32] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:32] <ScottK> Mirv: Congratulations.
[15:32] <ScottK> #topic AOB
[15:32] <ScottK> Anyone have anything else?
[15:32] <Mirv> thanks all!
[15:33]  * xnox didn't complete tasks from last meeting yet
[15:33] <xnox> will do them today, promise =)
[15:33] <ScottK> OK.
[15:33] <ScottK> Anyone else?
[15:33] <ScottK> That's it then.
[15:34] <ScottK> #endmeeting
[15:34] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Sep 22 15:34:06 2014 UTC.
[15:34] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-09-22-15.08.moin.txt
[15:34] <ScottK> Mirv: I'll try and get your upload rights set up soon.  It's been awhile since I did it.
[15:36] <Laney> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/~motu → Add member → timo-jyrinki
[15:36] <Mirv> thanks ScottK
[15:36] <ScottK> Yeah.  Easy enough.  Thanks.
[15:37] <ScottK> Mirv: You have MOTU rights now.  There's some mails to send and such, but you can upload now.
[15:38] <Mirv> \o/
[16:36] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:36] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:36]  * sbeattie waves
[16:36] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[16:36] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Sep 22 16:36:59 2014 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:37] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:37] <jjohansen> o/
[16:37] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:37] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:37] <jdstrand> AppArmor kernel pull requests have been accepted for distro, mako, flo, manta and goldfish. The distro kernel is in proposed and finding its way to the archive. There is an unrelated issue with goldfish that must be fixed. After that, the phablet kernels will be pushed to the archive together.
[16:37] <jdstrand> huge thanks to everyone for that! ^ :)
[16:38] <tyhicks> \o/
[16:38] <mdeslaur> \o/
[16:38] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:38] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[16:38] <jdstrand> last week was dominated by the kernel landing
[16:39] <jdstrand> this week I have some bug fixes related to policy load on boot that I will fix today. I know more fixes are desired for this week, and we can do another upload
[16:40] <jdstrand> note, that our in-image rtm bug fixes should be done by thursday, but we aren't limited for general fixes for utopic. if anything is left we want on the phone, we can do an ota update
[16:41] <jdstrand> (ie, afaik, we are in good shape once I do my upload today for rtm readiness)
[16:41] <jdstrand> I didn't get to look at lxc/docker.io/libvirt-lxc policy last week, so plan to this week
[16:43] <jdstrand> I also need to adjust UCT for rtm branches, which I didn't get to last week
[16:43] <jdstrand> ditto for patch piloting
[16:43] <jdstrand> and have updates to the click-reviewers-tools I need to do
[16:43] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:43] <mdeslaur> I just pushed out nginx and nss updates
[16:43] <mdeslaur> and I have a dbus update I'm about to push out
[16:43] <mdeslaur> after that, I have to merge nginx for utopic
[16:44] <mdeslaur> and I have a couple of embargoed issues to work on
[16:44] <mdeslaur> I'm also on triage this week
[16:44] <mdeslaur> and have patch piloting sceduled for tomorrow
[16:44] <mdeslaur> that's it from me, sbeattie, you're up
[16:44] <sbeattie> I'm on apparmor this week.
[16:45] <sbeattie> I'm working on finishing up some reviews of patches at the moment.
[16:45] <sbeattie> Then I'll move on to fixing additional bugs to try to fit in this week's upload.
[16:45] <sbeattie> That's pretty much it for me. tyhicks?
[16:46] <tyhicks> it will be a short week for me
[16:46] <tyhicks> I'm off Thursday and Friday
[16:47] <tyhicks> I'm getting a couple fixes and tests, which have been hanging out on the list for too long, committed to lp:apparmor
[16:47] <tyhicks> then I'm going to be sending out a v3 set of patches for some of the unix_socket_*.sh regression tests
[16:48] <tyhicks> then I'll probably be helping with bug fixes
[16:48] <tyhicks> I think that's it
[16:48] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:48] <jjohansen> I will be catching up on my kernel security sign-offs, and USNs for the next set of kernel updates.
[16:48] <jjohansen> I have some upstream apparmor work that is past due and I need to get the patches pushed if they are going to land in 3.18
[16:48] <jjohansen> Beyond that I will be working on bug fixes for apparmor.
[16:49] <jjohansen> thats it for me, sarnold you're up
[16:50] <sarnold> I'm on community this week
[16:50] <sarnold> so get those universe security updates submitted :D
[16:52] <sarnold> I'm starting with a MIR audit, finishing up whatever apparmor patches still need review to get those checked in, and if there's time, returning to another stalled MIR audit
[16:52] <sarnold> and if there's time after that, I want to finish up the 'file' security update; the worst is I can't recall what testing I might have done on it two weeks back, so that'll take the bulk of the time for it.
[16:53] <sarnold> that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> so, this week I hope to get bug 1260016 done. As this is going to require making our C++ API public, I shall also be doing other bits of future proofing the existing API's to reduce the risk of us having to do ABI transitions in the future (which currently don't matter, because there isn't a public C++ API)
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> I've also got lots of reviews to do, so I shall be setting aside a day to go through those
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> and it looks like I need to take a look at bug 1362543 too
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> i think that's me done
[16:56]  * jdstrand points sarnold at 'Checklists' from adb shell /tmp/tests/image/unprivileged/
[16:59] <sarnold> jdstrand: ah that's just my usual hubris, "oh these updates will be so easy I'll get this one out the door before I can forget what I've done"  :)
[17:01] <jdstrand> sarnold: sure, I get that. I just tend to document everything and thought that might be helpful.
[17:05] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[17:05] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[17:05] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[17:05] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libparallel-forkmanager-perl.html
[17:06] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/tinymce.html
[17:06] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gallery.html
[17:06] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pyfribidi.html
[17:06] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/phpbb3.html
[17:11] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[17:11] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:21] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: thanks!
[17:21] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[17:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Sep 22 17:21:13 2014 UTC.
[17:21] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-09-22-16.36.moin.txt
[17:21] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!
[17:21] <tyhicks> thanks
[17:22] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand!
[17:25] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand