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popeyMorning all07:45
diploMorning all07:53
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DJonespopey: Another minecraft story, sounds a good idea, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-2928105108:16
popeynice... goes along with popey.mooo.com/minecraft nicely08:17
DJonesHeh, is that the map that was mentioned on the radio a couple of weeks back, I think it was about the original OS map that had been updated using land survey info to show mor eaccurately the raw materials below ground08:20
foobarrycan someone explain how auto aswesome and google stories works?08:21
DJonespopey: This may actually be the same map, http://www.bgs.ac.uk/minecraft/#/-35328/64/62981/min/0/008:22
popeyno, mine was from OS, and is flat i think08:22
popeyi generated that a year or more back08:22
popeydrwxr-xr-x 4 alan root     4096 Sep 26  2013 minecraft08:23
DJonesYeah just looking at the zoomable map on bgs.ac.uk, it is differnet08:23
popeyspooky08:23
popeyalmost exactly a year ago08:23
DJonesHeh, most of Wales looks like Extreme hills08:23
popeyalan@homeserver:~/minecraft$ du -hs uk08:23
popey3.2Guk08:23
popeyits quite big08:23
popeytook an age to generate that google map too08:23
DJonesThat later one describes it as 5.4Gb uncompressed08:24
popeyblimey08:24
DJonesStill a 369Mb download08:26
DJonesThink thats still the same as your map08:26
foobarryah, got it https://support.google.com/plus/answer/6027520?hl=en&ref_topic=6034292 those video montages are great08:32
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Monday, and happy Elephant Appreciation Day! :-D08:48
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:50
christeli do appreciate a good elephant08:51
ujjainAm I a UK citizen?10:45
zmoylan-pihave you ever tried to vote tory? :-p10:46
ujjainnope.10:47
ujjainI just moved to the UK.10:47
foobarryhave you taken the citizenship test10:49
zmoylan-pican you play some sport well enough to compete in the olympics? :-)10:49
shauno(excluding any sport we invented - we're banned from doing well at these)10:50
DJonesujjain: https://www.gov.uk/check-british-citizen10:50
ujjainbritizen citizen means you have a british nationality, right?10:50
DJonesujjain: Which country is your passport issued in, thats probably the easiest check10:50
zmoylan-piyou're not banned, you're too embarrassed to do well in a sport you invented, you're amazingly polite that way :-D10:50
ujjainNetherlandsb10:50
ujjainso am I a London citizen?10:51
shaunoI'd use 'resident'.  citizen has specific legal definitions10:51
ujjainah ok10:52
shaunoeg, I can live & work in the netherlands because I'm EU.  that doesn't make me dutch, elligible for a dutch passport, etc.  that's the leap 'citizen' usually implies10:52
ujjainah ok, right10:55
ujjainI am registering to vote in the UK.10:56
ujjainDo you want to include your name and address on the open register? The open register is an extract of the electoral register, but is not used for elections. It can be bought by any person, company or organisation. For example, it is used by businesses and charities to confirm name and address details.10:56
ujjainwhy would anybody do this? this seems so privacy invasive10:56
foobarryno10:56
ujjaini'll select No then.10:57
ujjainA polish guy tells me that your credit score does not affect your interest. Does boosting your credit score help you get lower interest?13:52
ujjainbtw, what would such a thing be called? http://www.voordeelmuis.nl/img/jpg/1468/1468542.jpg - frozen meal? I think something like that could help me start cooking again13:53
directhexujjain: your credit score affects your ability to secure particular credit products. someone with a bad credit score might only be offered high-interest loans, compared to someone with a good credit score finding it easier to get cheaper deals13:54
directhexujjain: and "frozen meals" are a valid term13:55
ujjainah thanks :)13:55
christeli wouldn't exactly call frozen meals cooking ...13:55
ujjainahhh ok, I understand yeah13:55
* christel hides13:55
ujjainwell, I call it cooking13:56
ujjainI ahvent cooked in 3 months13:56
daftykinslol13:56
daftykinschristel: +113:56
daftykinschristel: how goes the server drama?13:56
christelstill not managed to identify the ingress point, which is a source of great frustration :)14:04
daftykinsdoh!14:05
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diddledanoh dear. server drama doesn't sound fin14:59
diddledanfun14:59
Myrtti/motd14:59
diddledanaah. yeah I updated my password on your prompting a few days ago, Myrtti .. I guess the admins are banging heads15:01
Myrttigood good15:01
daftykinsi didn't bother15:01
diddledandaftykins: :-o15:01
Myrttidaftykins: :-o15:02
diddledandaftykins: j00 get haxx0red!15:02
daftykinslawl.15:02
Myrtti79 is the maximum length, just a reminder15:02
diddledanaah my wayward youth coming through there with some elite language15:02
daftykinsoh man you mean i'd only be able to use half a password? :>15:02
diddledanlol15:02
Myrttikeepass ♥15:03
diddledanI'm on lastpass but yeah15:03
daftykinsi don't need my hand held.15:04
diddledanyou do if you want a 79char secure password :-p15:05
daftykins;)15:06
AzelphurDoes anyone know how to stop your display config being messed up when you hard power off monitors?15:40
AzelphurI attached all my monitors to one single power off switch, and when I use it it thinks the displays have been unplugged and disables them.15:41
diddledanAzelphur: you can't in that scenario because you have effectively unplugged them15:46
diddledanthe only way a monitor can remain identifiable is if it's got power15:47
Azelphurdiddledan: surely there must be a way to disable that "feature"15:47
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tripleclonesdaftykins: reinstalled 14.04 on my t60 and wireless seems stable now so guess something corrupt in the upgrade18:14
tripleclonesthanks for your time the other night18:14
daftykinstripleclones: no problem :) glad it worked out18:25
daftykinshttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEGA-MASTER-SYSTEM-1-MEGADRIVE-1-AV-SCART-CABLE-LEAD-2-METRES-/39052324837219:20
daftykinsoh my...19:20
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/3z4w9kfnb23p5l9/IMG_20140921_211052.jpg?dl=019:20
daftykins:D19:20
diddledandaftykins: thanks for the pastblast! :-p19:22
daftykinsanytime sir!19:22
diddledanthat's awesome19:22
daftykinsi'm just debating taking out the mega drive now, but i only have the original aerial adapter right now19:22
daftykinsi don't think i have an aerial cable in the house19:22
daftykinsoh wait i don't need one19:22
daftykinsidiot19:22
diddledan:-o19:22
diddledanerm19:22
diddledan:-p19:22
diddledanbetter19:22
daftykinsok here we go19:27
daftykinsi know this aerial socket is damaged though, but lets try it out19:28
daftykins1 channel found!19:30
shaunoheh.  channel 36, everyone's favourite channel :)19:31
daftykinsah so it was?19:32
daftykinsit auto tuned that channel, but it's just blank sadly19:32
daftykinswell, it's more black than snow show19:33
diddledan:-(19:34
shaunobut it goes off if you turn the console off?19:35
diddledanoh dear. dominos have screwed their dns19:36
shaunothey've been having cookiefarts here19:37
shaunoI get sent into a recursive redirect until I empty my cookies19:37
shaunomostly I'm just going to talk to you about cookies to make you even more hungry while dominos are revolting (heh)19:37
diddledanhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8405547/19:38
diddledanwww. works, barename doesn't19:38
shaunotechnically, that's not screwed up.  nasa actually use that setup19:38
shauno(nasa.gov has mx records but no A/AAAA records)19:40
diddledan>.<19:40
daftykinsshauno: yeah definitely getting output, it's just not visible19:44
daftykinsi could just pick up that ebay cable, i know the aerial socket was always trashed as when we were kids my mum tripped over it19:44
daftykinswe used to get the picture scrambling mid-play and rush to waggle the aerial socket to get it back again :)19:45
daftykinsmight even just need resoldering19:45
shaunohave you tried a different cart?  (or .. blowing into it  heh)19:45
daftykinswell it might be wishful thinking, but i think i can see the Sonic main menu colours occasionally when i'm twisting the cable19:45
diddledanheh. blowing them. the dance of many a boy19:45
daftykins:D and it used to work!19:46
shaunoactually, they have headphone sockets don't they?  that'd be an ideal way to find out if it's actually booted anything19:46
daftykinsshauno: very true \o/19:46
daftykinsi shall plug some in19:46
diddledanOMG19:47
diddledandominos do freshly baked donuts!19:47
diddledan4 for 2.49 or 12 for 5.99 :-p19:48
shaunodude.  you know that's not a good idea.19:48
foobarry"baked"19:48
foobarrybaked in the deep fat frier?19:48
diddledanfoobarry: yeah, that's the one19:48
diddledandonuts rock!19:48
shaunoI'm trying to figure out how to put this nicely19:49
diddledanfatty mc fatfat?19:49
shaunookay, I'm not that bad.  but basically.19:49
diddledan:-p19:49
daftykinsshauno: hmm, headphones have just static - but when i wiggle the cable just so i get about as pristine a blank black image as you're likely to get over RF - it could be that that's a good signal but the cart hasn't loaded19:50
daftykinsso perhaps i can disassemble and clean up the cart connector etc19:50
shaunoI don't know why the whole idea of 'dominos doughnuts' actually sounds more lethal than a regular doughnut19:51
diddledanshauno: they do them in dozens!19:51
daftykinsperhaps it's something along the lines of the knock-on / knock-over impact on your health *whistle*19:51
shaunoI'd probably try alcohol on an earbud  (for the sega, not dinner).  no sound is not a good omen19:53
diddledanvodka do?19:54
shauno(not a particularly bad omen either, but the picture probably was just wishful thinking)19:55
MarkDudevodka has some solids19:55
MarkDudeSame even with 192 proof, sugars can leave residue :)19:55
daftykinsshauno: indeed, pencil eraser too i had in mind i think. will try that after some food :D19:57
diddledanwon't an eraser damage the code?19:57
diddledanlike wiping out a bit here and a bit there - it'll never work again19:58
diddledanor maybe it'll give you infinite lives19:58
shaunogo and get pizza man19:58
daftykinsdiddledan: that's worse than my Dominoes line!19:59
diddledan9 days to go: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/hullabaloo-steampunk-animated-film/x/403983420:12
diddledan400% funded so far20:12
shaunogo fund oortonline.  I want more toys!20:13
diddledanlink?20:13
shaunooortonline.com20:13
diddledanaah yes20:14
shaunoalthough the weird bit they don't mention in the video, is that the current implementation is js/webgl20:16
diddledaninteresting20:18
shaunonot necessaryily advocating it, I just want them to hurry up and add more features.  like the ability to stab people.20:19
shaunoand player models :|  currently if you run into another person, you suddenly realise you both look like giant squares of cheeze-wizz20:20
daftykinsshauno: she lives! no audio on the TV, but headphones play :)20:31
daftykinsevidence incoming20:31
daftykinsresolved audio, my TV wasn't set to audio format 'I' on the channel20:36
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/1xphst9u7q20vvj/IMG_20140922_213032.jpg?dl=020:37
shaunohurrah!20:45
shaunoI cheat and use retropi :)20:46
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/5sd5dw0voo7y593/VID_20140922_212942.mp4?dl=020:47
shaunoand a logitech wireless gamepad, that sorta resembles an xbox one apparently20:47
daftykinsah-har20:47
daftykins^ used headphones above as per your idea as i didn't have audio to start with :)20:47
shaunonow I'm picturing a phone wearing a set of headphones :)20:47
shaunoso you just cleaned it?20:47
daftykinsyep, 6 screws out, cover off... isopropanol to slot and cart20:48
daftykinsthere was a fair amount of black muck that came off the cart20:48
daftykinspretty sure that was all there was to it20:48
shaunocool :)20:49
shaunoglad the NES has composite output .. a lot less faffing around20:52
daftykinsthat cable on ebay wasn't too bad though20:57
daftykins<£5 for a mega drive DIN -> SCART20:57
daftykinsnot sure i'm that fussed mind you :)20:57
shaunoit'd be neat if it did that switchy thing scart did though20:58
shaunoI always though it was amazing that when we turned the sky box on, the tv would switch itself to the right channel.  magic.20:58
daftykinshahaha20:58
daftykinsthat was TV dependant, i remember my JVC UX32P10 (32" CRT) would only do that on one SCART channel20:59
shaunostill, how many scart channels are you using?21:00
diddledanhdmi inherited that feature21:00
shaunoadding hdmi to a megadrive probably doesnt' go for 5 quid though :p21:00
daftykinswell my TV only has one SCART input via a breakout cable :)21:01
diddledanhdmi is pretty much scart on the wire21:01
diddledanthe hd board looked at the various connection standards and took scart as the basis for hdmi so it's pretty much identical21:02
diddledanjust with a digital component21:02
shaunoI thought it was only digital components?21:03
diddledanhmm, maybe I'm wrong - wiki page on scart just mentions cec as being scart-derived21:03
diddledanwhich is the auto flippy thing21:04
diddledanplus extras21:04
shaunothat's why a lot of consoles adapt to scart well .. it did composite and rgb in the same cable21:04
diddledancec and av.link which it was based on allows a tv to send commands down the wire to tell a recorder to start recording21:05
diddledanand navigate a dvd menu on a stb-dvd-player with the tv remote21:05
shaunoplaying games in widescreen, which weren't meant for widescreen, can be odd21:05
shaunoI'm playing micromachines.  and your car gets longer when you go around corners21:05
diddledano_O21:05
diddledanweird21:05
daftykinslol21:05
diddledanI'd lock the aspect ratio for those methinks21:06
shaunowell, because it's stretched.  when you're driving left-right it's stretched, and when you're driving up-down it's not21:06
daftykinsi'm half trying to work out what's drawing this background colour around the mega drive picture21:06
shaunowireless gamepad is the best choice I ever made for this thing though21:07
shaunokneeling in front of the TV like an 8yo doesn't translate very well to 42" screens - or 33yo knees21:08
shaunobesides, it looks better from a distance.  what with fist-sized pixels21:08
daftykinsi'm finding this with this machine :)21:09
ali1234for scart switching you just need to assert 12v on one of the pins, TV has to support it though21:09
daftykinswell, haven't even played yet - just been watching the looping demo21:09
daftykinswhich is beginning to grate...21:09
ali1234the "background" is generated by the megadrive, it is overscan21:10
ali1234it's the same reason why the C64 display looks like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/C64c_system.jpg21:11
shaunomakes sense, it can't be random that it's picked a very dominant colour from the palette21:11
ali1234the fact they are both blue is just coincidence, they are both capable of making the borders any colour they want (from their limited palettes of course)21:11
daftykinsok first go, i think that's 2 seconds off the best time21:12
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/rq8vm9sql72je5m/IMG_20140922_221132.jpg?dl=021:12
shaunoyou're one of those?  I hunt for rings  lol21:13
shaunoI feel like I've failed if I don't get to do the trippy bonus stage after every level21:13
ali1234WR is 0:2521:13
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daftykinsshauno: :D ah i just felt like i'd see if i could do it still21:23
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shaunoretropi is incredibly nifty though, if you happen to have pis laying around that never quite found as many exciting homes as you thought they would21:28
daftykinsshauno: :) i very nearly bought one, but gave up considering they seem mostly disappointing21:29
shauno(especially since most the 16bit-era stuff is on archive.org these days)21:30
daftykinsi could install an emulator on my XBMC HTPC really21:30
daftykinsi was just over at my parents and knew this would've gotten thrown out had i not taken it home :)21:30
daftykinsyay just lost the last scab from my left hand at last \o/21:31
shaunoI wouldn't say disappointing.  I think a lot of people just overestimate how useful they'll find "spare computers"21:31
daftykinshaha21:31
daftykinsthere is that, but i suppose i more think of how barely satisfactory it is to run XBMC - which would've been the plan to put one in at my parents plce21:32
daftykins*place21:32
shaunoI have one velcro'd to the back of the TV, and another that's setup as a dhcp/radvd/pxe/tftp/etc box that only comes out on special occaisions21:32
daftykins:D21:33
shaunoI keep meaning to add a serial port to it so it can do dial-in for the amiga.  but I'm a whole lot lazier than I ever give myself credit for21:33
daftykinsthat's the spirit!21:35
shaunowell, that and the chinese calendar.  this year appears to the year of the ineffective postman.  that's stalled many brights ideas21:39
daftykinsshauno: d'aww, how ineffective are we talking ?21:40
shaunoabsolutely21:40
shaunoI got a package refused by customs because it contained knives or batteries21:40
shaunotheir description of the rejection.  it actually contained pcb standoffs21:41
shaunoif they have problems with brass bolts exploding in transit, their QA has really slipped21:41
diddledanknives!21:42
daftykins=|21:42
daftykinsex...ploding?21:42
diddledanquestion. how does one actually import a real knife?21:42
shaunoebay?21:43
diddledanyeah but if they're blocking it at the port because it contains a knife or knives then how does anybody get knives into the country?21:43
shaunofun question21:43
shaunoireland seems to be exceptionally paranoid about importing weapons.  which is rather hilarious given their track record, but21:44
daftykinsheh21:44
daftykinsjust pop into a kitchen store21:44
daftykinssorted21:44
diddledanyeah but where does the kitchen store get them into the country?21:44
diddledanhow**21:45
shaunoa coworker had problems trying to buy a diving knife online.  even thought he was also ordering wetsuit etc in the same order21:45
diddledanhow does one ork a cow?21:45
daftykinsguy i know has a little hand-sized box that controls the fly-by-wire controls on his boat, he tried to send back one he ordered that was the wrong thing back to the retailer, HM Customs stopped it.21:45
shaunoI imagine there's processes for doing things "properly" rather than just popping them in the mail21:45
daftykinsprobably including a thousand copies of the invoice on the outside of the packaging ;)21:46
shaunowith shipping agents, and bits of paper, and all that grownup stuff21:46
diddledankinda like "thou shalt not import all the things unless you're importing all the things"?21:46
daftykinsactually, Guernsey customs once stopped a friends brothers package as they thought he was dealing with rare kinds of fish21:46
daftykinshe'd ordered a bass guitar.21:46
shaunohah21:46
diddledanhaha bass21:46
diddledanlol21:47
diddledanthat's inept and a half21:47
shaunoI want a boat.  I could lead an exciting life smuggling guitars to the channel islands!21:47
diddledanuntil the sas blow you up21:48
daftykinsshauno: perhaps you could get the recipients to do you a theme tune :D21:50
daftykinshere comes shauno ~21:51
shaunobut it'd be too late!  unless they do it on a state-sanctioned casio or something21:51
diddledanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyz_2DEah4o21:54
MarkDudeThis is a great video- it has English subtitles. Tatica thinks more folks should tell their story of how they got in FOSS http://tatica.org/2014/09/12/ser-una-emprendedora-con-software-libre-en-el-ii-foro-de-mujeres-y-til/21:59
shaunoI think I should go to bed :/  really long day tomorrow.  I work from 6am, and fly at midnight.  who's a clever boy eh22:06
daftykinsshauno: naaaaasty22:06
daftykinsshauno: anything fun for the trip?22:06
shaunonot particularly.  I'm gonna go walk up a hill22:07
daftykinsooh do tell22:07
shaunothere's not much more to it  lol22:07
shaunoapparently the done thing is to go to the top, but they put the train station at the bottom22:08
shaunohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chopok22:08
diddledansilly foreigners22:09
daftykinswell that looks good22:09
daftykinsif that's the one close to Greece, my friend lives there22:09
daftykinsi mix up the two slo's22:10
diddledanit looks like a slag heap22:10
shaunoit's the one next to poland, and ukraine, and hungary, and czech rep.  and austria I think22:10
shaunoit's easy to remember which one slovakia is.  the clue is right in 'czechoslovakia' ;)22:11
daftykinsmy geography isn't even good enough for that to be helpful XD22:13
shaunoor history?22:14
daftykinsi'm a teensy bit young for the czech story i think yeah22:14
shaunohm22:15
shaunoor movies?  I think that's where schlinder's list finishes22:15
* popey wants a new telly22:15
daftykinspopey: why-so sir? what do you have?22:16
daftykinsshauno: never watched that one :)22:17
shaunooh you have to22:17
shaunojust for the moment when you get in a lift in Austria, and discover the leading brand is .. schindler.  schindler's lifts.22:18
popeysomething old22:23
daftykinsshauno: oh. dear.22:24
shaunoI know :(  but .. it's true.  http://www.schindler.com/uk/internet/en/home.html22:25
popeycurrent telly is a 42" plasma, want to replace with something smaller and stick it on the wall22:26
daftykinssmaller!22:28
daftykinsLCD could save on the power too :)22:29
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AzelphurHey folks, I bought this, http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/remote-controlled-mains-sockets-set-3-pack-n79ka attached my 4 monitors to it, when I turn it on, occasionally it flips the breaker in my apartment, suggestions? :(22:54
daftykinshmm must be too much leakage at once22:57
popeyheh, i have one of those too23:08
popeyworks a treat for shutting down the lounge at bed time23:09
popeymaybe put two on one plug, two on another plug, so you dont turn all four on at once23:10
Azelphuryea, I guess that's the only solution for now23:29

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