[07:45] <popey> Morning all
[07:53] <diplo> Morning all
[08:16] <DJones> popey: Another minecraft story, sounds a good idea, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29281051
[08:17] <popey> nice... goes along with popey.mooo.com/minecraft nicely
[08:20] <DJones> Heh, is that the map that was mentioned on the radio a couple of weeks back, I think it was about the original OS map that had been updated using land survey info to show mor eaccurately the raw materials below ground
[08:21] <foobarry> can someone explain how auto aswesome and google stories works?
[08:22] <DJones> popey: This may actually be the same map, http://www.bgs.ac.uk/minecraft/#/-35328/64/62981/min/0/0
[08:22] <popey> no, mine was from OS, and is flat i think
[08:22] <popey> i generated that a year or more back
[08:23] <popey> drwxr-xr-x 4 alan root     4096 Sep 26  2013 minecraft
[08:23] <DJones> Yeah just looking at the zoomable map on bgs.ac.uk, it is differnet
[08:23] <popey> spooky
[08:23] <popey> almost exactly a year ago
[08:23] <DJones> Heh, most of Wales looks like Extreme hills
[08:23] <popey> alan@homeserver:~/minecraft$ du -hs uk
[08:23] <popey> 3.2G	uk
[08:23] <popey> its quite big
[08:23] <popey> took an age to generate that google map too
[08:24] <DJones> That later one describes it as 5.4Gb uncompressed
[08:24] <popey> blimey
[08:26] <DJones> Still a 369Mb download
[08:26] <DJones> Think thats still the same as your map
[08:32] <foobarry> ah, got it https://support.google.com/plus/answer/6027520?hl=en&ref_topic=6034292 those video montages are great
[08:48] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Elephant Appreciation Day! :-D
[08:50] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:51] <christel> i do appreciate a good elephant
[10:45] <ujjain> Am I a UK citizen?
[10:46] <zmoylan-pi> have you ever tried to vote tory? :-p
[10:47] <ujjain> nope.
[10:47] <ujjain> I just moved to the UK.
[10:49] <foobarry> have you taken the citizenship test
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> can you play some sport well enough to compete in the olympics? :-)
[10:50] <shauno> (excluding any sport we invented - we're banned from doing well at these)
[10:50] <DJones> ujjain: https://www.gov.uk/check-british-citizen
[10:50] <ujjain> britizen citizen means you have a british nationality, right?
[10:50] <DJones> ujjain: Which country is your passport issued in, thats probably the easiest check
[10:50] <zmoylan-pi> you're not banned, you're too embarrassed to do well in a sport you invented, you're amazingly polite that way :-D
[10:50] <ujjain> Netherlandsb
[10:51] <ujjain> so am I a London citizen?
[10:51] <shauno> I'd use 'resident'.  citizen has specific legal definitions
[10:52] <ujjain> ah ok
[10:52] <shauno> eg, I can live & work in the netherlands because I'm EU.  that doesn't make me dutch, elligible for a dutch passport, etc.  that's the leap 'citizen' usually implies
[10:55] <ujjain> ah ok, right
[10:56] <ujjain> I am registering to vote in the UK.
[10:56] <ujjain> Do you want to include your name and address on the open register? The open register is an extract of the electoral register, but is not used for elections. It can be bought by any person, company or organisation. For example, it is used by businesses and charities to confirm name and address details.
[10:56] <ujjain> why would anybody do this? this seems so privacy invasive
[10:56] <foobarry> no
[10:57] <ujjain> i'll select No then.
[13:52] <ujjain> A polish guy tells me that your credit score does not affect your interest. Does boosting your credit score help you get lower interest?
[13:53] <ujjain> btw, what would such a thing be called? http://www.voordeelmuis.nl/img/jpg/1468/1468542.jpg - frozen meal? I think something like that could help me start cooking again
[13:54] <directhex> ujjain: your credit score affects your ability to secure particular credit products. someone with a bad credit score might only be offered high-interest loans, compared to someone with a good credit score finding it easier to get cheaper deals
[13:55] <directhex> ujjain: and "frozen meals" are a valid term
[13:55] <ujjain> ah thanks :)
[13:55] <christel> i wouldn't exactly call frozen meals cooking ...
[13:55] <ujjain> ahhh ok, I understand yeah
[13:55]  * christel hides
[13:56] <ujjain> well, I call it cooking
[13:56] <ujjain> I ahvent cooked in 3 months
[13:56] <daftykins> lol
[13:56] <daftykins> christel: +1
[13:56] <daftykins> christel: how goes the server drama?
[14:04] <christel> still not managed to identify the ingress point, which is a source of great frustration :)
[14:05] <daftykins> doh!
[14:59] <diddledan> oh dear. server drama doesn't sound fin
[14:59] <diddledan> fun
[14:59] <Myrtti> /motd
[15:01] <diddledan> aah. yeah I updated my password on your prompting a few days ago, Myrtti .. I guess the admins are banging heads
[15:01] <Myrtti> good good
[15:01] <daftykins> i didn't bother
[15:01] <diddledan> daftykins: :-o
[15:02] <Myrtti> daftykins: :-o
[15:02] <diddledan> daftykins: j00 get haxx0red!
[15:02] <daftykins> lawl.
[15:02] <Myrtti> 79 is the maximum length, just a reminder
[15:02] <diddledan> aah my wayward youth coming through there with some elite language
[15:02] <daftykins> oh man you mean i'd only be able to use half a password? :>
[15:02] <diddledan> lol
[15:03] <Myrtti> keepass ♥
[15:03] <diddledan> I'm on lastpass but yeah
[15:04] <daftykins> i don't need my hand held.
[15:05] <diddledan> you do if you want a 79char secure password :-p
[15:06] <daftykins> ;)
[15:40] <Azelphur> Does anyone know how to stop your display config being messed up when you hard power off monitors?
[15:41] <Azelphur> I attached all my monitors to one single power off switch, and when I use it it thinks the displays have been unplugged and disables them.
[15:46] <diddledan> Azelphur: you can't in that scenario because you have effectively unplugged them
[15:47] <diddledan> the only way a monitor can remain identifiable is if it's got power
[15:47] <Azelphur> diddledan: surely there must be a way to disable that "feature"
[18:14] <tripleclones> daftykins: reinstalled 14.04 on my t60 and wireless seems stable now so guess something corrupt in the upgrade
[18:14] <tripleclones> thanks for your time the other night
[18:25] <daftykins> tripleclones: no problem :) glad it worked out
[19:20] <daftykins> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEGA-MASTER-SYSTEM-1-MEGADRIVE-1-AV-SCART-CABLE-LEAD-2-METRES-/390523248372
[19:20] <daftykins> oh my...
[19:20] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3z4w9kfnb23p5l9/IMG_20140921_211052.jpg?dl=0
[19:20] <daftykins> :D
[19:22] <diddledan> daftykins: thanks for the pastblast! :-p
[19:22] <daftykins> anytime sir!
[19:22] <diddledan> that's awesome
[19:22] <daftykins> i'm just debating taking out the mega drive now, but i only have the original aerial adapter right now
[19:22] <daftykins> i don't think i have an aerial cable in the house
[19:22] <daftykins> oh wait i don't need one
[19:22] <daftykins> idiot
[19:22] <diddledan> :-o
[19:22] <diddledan> erm
[19:22] <diddledan> :-p
[19:22] <diddledan> better
[19:27] <daftykins> ok here we go
[19:28] <daftykins> i know this aerial socket is damaged though, but lets try it out
[19:30] <daftykins> 1 channel found!
[19:31] <shauno> heh.  channel 36, everyone's favourite channel :)
[19:32] <daftykins> ah so it was?
[19:32] <daftykins> it auto tuned that channel, but it's just blank sadly
[19:33] <daftykins> well, it's more black than snow show
[19:34] <diddledan> :-(
[19:35] <shauno> but it goes off if you turn the console off?
[19:36] <diddledan> oh dear. dominos have screwed their dns
[19:37] <shauno> they've been having cookiefarts here
[19:37] <shauno> I get sent into a recursive redirect until I empty my cookies
[19:37] <shauno> mostly I'm just going to talk to you about cookies to make you even more hungry while dominos are revolting (heh)
[19:38] <diddledan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8405547/
[19:38] <diddledan> www. works, barename doesn't
[19:38] <shauno> technically, that's not screwed up.  nasa actually use that setup
[19:40] <shauno> (nasa.gov has mx records but no A/AAAA records)
[19:40] <diddledan> >.<
[19:44] <daftykins> shauno: yeah definitely getting output, it's just not visible
[19:44] <daftykins> i could just pick up that ebay cable, i know the aerial socket was always trashed as when we were kids my mum tripped over it
[19:45] <daftykins> we used to get the picture scrambling mid-play and rush to waggle the aerial socket to get it back again :)
[19:45] <daftykins> might even just need resoldering
[19:45] <shauno> have you tried a different cart?  (or .. blowing into it  heh)
[19:45] <daftykins> well it might be wishful thinking, but i think i can see the Sonic main menu colours occasionally when i'm twisting the cable
[19:45] <diddledan> heh. blowing them. the dance of many a boy
[19:46] <daftykins> :D and it used to work!
[19:46] <shauno> actually, they have headphone sockets don't they?  that'd be an ideal way to find out if it's actually booted anything
[19:46] <daftykins> shauno: very true \o/
[19:46] <daftykins> i shall plug some in
[19:47] <diddledan> OMG
[19:47] <diddledan> dominos do freshly baked donuts!
[19:48] <diddledan> 4 for 2.49 or 12 for 5.99 :-p
[19:48] <shauno> dude.  you know that's not a good idea.
[19:48] <foobarry> "baked"
[19:48] <foobarry> baked in the deep fat frier?
[19:48] <diddledan> foobarry: yeah, that's the one
[19:48] <diddledan> donuts rock!
[19:49] <shauno> I'm trying to figure out how to put this nicely
[19:49] <diddledan> fatty mc fatfat?
[19:49] <shauno> okay, I'm not that bad.  but basically.
[19:49] <diddledan> :-p
[19:50] <daftykins> shauno: hmm, headphones have just static - but when i wiggle the cable just so i get about as pristine a blank black image as you're likely to get over RF - it could be that that's a good signal but the cart hasn't loaded
[19:50] <daftykins> so perhaps i can disassemble and clean up the cart connector etc
[19:51] <shauno> I don't know why the whole idea of 'dominos doughnuts' actually sounds more lethal than a regular doughnut
[19:51] <diddledan> shauno: they do them in dozens!
[19:51] <daftykins> perhaps it's something along the lines of the knock-on / knock-over impact on your health *whistle*
[19:53] <shauno> I'd probably try alcohol on an earbud  (for the sega, not dinner).  no sound is not a good omen
[19:54] <diddledan> vodka do?
[19:55] <shauno> (not a particularly bad omen either, but the picture probably was just wishful thinking)
[19:55] <MarkDude> vodka has some solids
[19:55] <MarkDude> Same even with 192 proof, sugars can leave residue :)
[19:57] <daftykins> shauno: indeed, pencil eraser too i had in mind i think. will try that after some food :D
[19:57] <diddledan> won't an eraser damage the code?
[19:58] <diddledan> like wiping out a bit here and a bit there - it'll never work again
[19:58] <diddledan> or maybe it'll give you infinite lives
[19:58] <shauno> go and get pizza man
[19:59] <daftykins> diddledan: that's worse than my Dominoes line!
[20:12] <diddledan> 9 days to go: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/hullabaloo-steampunk-animated-film/x/4039834
[20:12] <diddledan> 400% funded so far
[20:13] <shauno> go fund oortonline.  I want more toys!
[20:13] <diddledan> link?
[20:13] <shauno> oortonline.com
[20:14] <diddledan> aah yes
[20:16] <shauno> although the weird bit they don't mention in the video, is that the current implementation is js/webgl
[20:18] <diddledan> interesting
[20:19] <shauno> not necessaryily advocating it, I just want them to hurry up and add more features.  like the ability to stab people.
[20:20] <shauno> and player models :|  currently if you run into another person, you suddenly realise you both look like giant squares of cheeze-wizz
[20:31] <daftykins> shauno: she lives! no audio on the TV, but headphones play :)
[20:31] <daftykins> evidence incoming
[20:36] <daftykins> resolved audio, my TV wasn't set to audio format 'I' on the channel
[20:37] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1xphst9u7q20vvj/IMG_20140922_213032.jpg?dl=0
[20:45] <shauno> hurrah!
[20:46] <shauno> I cheat and use retropi :)
[20:47] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5sd5dw0voo7y593/VID_20140922_212942.mp4?dl=0
[20:47] <shauno> and a logitech wireless gamepad, that sorta resembles an xbox one apparently
[20:47] <daftykins> ah-har
[20:47] <daftykins> ^ used headphones above as per your idea as i didn't have audio to start with :)
[20:47] <shauno> now I'm picturing a phone wearing a set of headphones :)
[20:47] <shauno> so you just cleaned it?
[20:48] <daftykins> yep, 6 screws out, cover off... isopropanol to slot and cart
[20:48] <daftykins> there was a fair amount of black muck that came off the cart
[20:48] <daftykins> pretty sure that was all there was to it
[20:49] <shauno> cool :)
[20:52] <shauno> glad the NES has composite output .. a lot less faffing around
[20:57] <daftykins> that cable on ebay wasn't too bad though
[20:57] <daftykins> <£5 for a mega drive DIN -> SCART
[20:57] <daftykins> not sure i'm that fussed mind you :)
[20:58] <shauno> it'd be neat if it did that switchy thing scart did though
[20:58] <shauno> I always though it was amazing that when we turned the sky box on, the tv would switch itself to the right channel.  magic.
[20:58] <daftykins> hahaha
[20:59] <daftykins> that was TV dependant, i remember my JVC UX32P10 (32" CRT) would only do that on one SCART channel
[21:00] <shauno> still, how many scart channels are you using?
[21:00] <diddledan> hdmi inherited that feature
[21:00] <shauno> adding hdmi to a megadrive probably doesnt' go for 5 quid though :p
[21:01] <daftykins> well my TV only has one SCART input via a breakout cable :)
[21:01] <diddledan> hdmi is pretty much scart on the wire
[21:02] <diddledan> the hd board looked at the various connection standards and took scart as the basis for hdmi so it's pretty much identical
[21:02] <diddledan> just with a digital component
[21:03] <shauno> I thought it was only digital components?
[21:03] <diddledan> hmm, maybe I'm wrong - wiki page on scart just mentions cec as being scart-derived
[21:04] <diddledan> which is the auto flippy thing
[21:04] <diddledan> plus extras
[21:04] <shauno> that's why a lot of consoles adapt to scart well .. it did composite and rgb in the same cable
[21:05] <diddledan> cec and av.link which it was based on allows a tv to send commands down the wire to tell a recorder to start recording
[21:05] <diddledan> and navigate a dvd menu on a stb-dvd-player with the tv remote
[21:05] <shauno> playing games in widescreen, which weren't meant for widescreen, can be odd
[21:05] <shauno> I'm playing micromachines.  and your car gets longer when you go around corners
[21:05] <diddledan> o_O
[21:05] <diddledan> weird
[21:05] <daftykins> lol
[21:06] <diddledan> I'd lock the aspect ratio for those methinks
[21:06] <shauno> well, because it's stretched.  when you're driving left-right it's stretched, and when you're driving up-down it's not
[21:06] <daftykins> i'm half trying to work out what's drawing this background colour around the mega drive picture
[21:07] <shauno> wireless gamepad is the best choice I ever made for this thing though
[21:08] <shauno> kneeling in front of the TV like an 8yo doesn't translate very well to 42" screens - or 33yo knees
[21:08] <shauno> besides, it looks better from a distance.  what with fist-sized pixels
[21:09] <daftykins> i'm finding this with this machine :)
[21:09] <ali1234> for scart switching you just need to assert 12v on one of the pins, TV has to support it though
[21:09] <daftykins> well, haven't even played yet - just been watching the looping demo
[21:09] <daftykins> which is beginning to grate...
[21:10] <ali1234> the "background" is generated by the megadrive, it is overscan
[21:11] <ali1234> it's the same reason why the C64 display looks like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/C64c_system.jpg
[21:11] <shauno> makes sense, it can't be random that it's picked a very dominant colour from the palette
[21:11] <ali1234> the fact they are both blue is just coincidence, they are both capable of making the borders any colour they want (from their limited palettes of course)
[21:12] <daftykins> ok first go, i think that's 2 seconds off the best time
[21:12] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rq8vm9sql72je5m/IMG_20140922_221132.jpg?dl=0
[21:13] <shauno> you're one of those?  I hunt for rings  lol
[21:13] <shauno> I feel like I've failed if I don't get to do the trippy bonus stage after every level
[21:13] <ali1234> WR is 0:25
[21:23] <daftykins> shauno: :D ah i just felt like i'd see if i could do it still
[21:28] <shauno> retropi is incredibly nifty though, if you happen to have pis laying around that never quite found as many exciting homes as you thought they would
[21:29] <daftykins> shauno: :) i very nearly bought one, but gave up considering they seem mostly disappointing
[21:30] <shauno> (especially since most the 16bit-era stuff is on archive.org these days)
[21:30] <daftykins> i could install an emulator on my XBMC HTPC really
[21:30] <daftykins> i was just over at my parents and knew this would've gotten thrown out had i not taken it home :)
[21:31] <daftykins> yay just lost the last scab from my left hand at last \o/
[21:31] <shauno> I wouldn't say disappointing.  I think a lot of people just overestimate how useful they'll find "spare computers"
[21:31] <daftykins> haha
[21:32] <daftykins> there is that, but i suppose i more think of how barely satisfactory it is to run XBMC - which would've been the plan to put one in at my parents plce
[21:32] <daftykins> *place
[21:32] <shauno> I have one velcro'd to the back of the TV, and another that's setup as a dhcp/radvd/pxe/tftp/etc box that only comes out on special occaisions
[21:33] <daftykins> :D
[21:33] <shauno> I keep meaning to add a serial port to it so it can do dial-in for the amiga.  but I'm a whole lot lazier than I ever give myself credit for
[21:35] <daftykins> that's the spirit!
[21:39] <shauno> well, that and the chinese calendar.  this year appears to the year of the ineffective postman.  that's stalled many brights ideas
[21:40] <daftykins> shauno: d'aww, how ineffective are we talking ?
[21:40] <shauno> absolutely
[21:40] <shauno> I got a package refused by customs because it contained knives or batteries
[21:41] <shauno> their description of the rejection.  it actually contained pcb standoffs
[21:41] <shauno> if they have problems with brass bolts exploding in transit, their QA has really slipped
[21:42] <diddledan> knives!
[21:42] <daftykins> =|
[21:42] <daftykins> ex...ploding?
[21:42] <diddledan> question. how does one actually import a real knife?
[21:43] <shauno> ebay?
[21:43] <diddledan> yeah but if they're blocking it at the port because it contains a knife or knives then how does anybody get knives into the country?
[21:43] <shauno> fun question
[21:44] <shauno> ireland seems to be exceptionally paranoid about importing weapons.  which is rather hilarious given their track record, but
[21:44] <daftykins> heh
[21:44] <daftykins> just pop into a kitchen store
[21:44] <daftykins> sorted
[21:44] <diddledan> yeah but where does the kitchen store get them into the country?
[21:45] <diddledan> how**
[21:45] <shauno> a coworker had problems trying to buy a diving knife online.  even thought he was also ordering wetsuit etc in the same order
[21:45] <diddledan> how does one ork a cow?
[21:45] <daftykins> guy i know has a little hand-sized box that controls the fly-by-wire controls on his boat, he tried to send back one he ordered that was the wrong thing back to the retailer, HM Customs stopped it.
[21:45] <shauno> I imagine there's processes for doing things "properly" rather than just popping them in the mail
[21:46] <daftykins> probably including a thousand copies of the invoice on the outside of the packaging ;)
[21:46] <shauno> with shipping agents, and bits of paper, and all that grownup stuff
[21:46] <diddledan> kinda like "thou shalt not import all the things unless you're importing all the things"?
[21:46] <daftykins> actually, Guernsey customs once stopped a friends brothers package as they thought he was dealing with rare kinds of fish
[21:46] <daftykins> he'd ordered a bass guitar.
[21:46] <shauno> hah
[21:46] <diddledan> haha bass
[21:47] <diddledan> lol
[21:47] <diddledan> that's inept and a half
[21:47] <shauno> I want a boat.  I could lead an exciting life smuggling guitars to the channel islands!
[21:48] <diddledan> until the sas blow you up
[21:50] <daftykins> shauno: perhaps you could get the recipients to do you a theme tune :D
[21:51] <daftykins> here comes shauno ~
[21:51] <shauno> but it'd be too late!  unless they do it on a state-sanctioned casio or something
[21:54] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyz_2DEah4o
[21:59] <MarkDude> This is a great video- it has English subtitles. Tatica thinks more folks should tell their story of how they got in FOSS http://tatica.org/2014/09/12/ser-una-emprendedora-con-software-libre-en-el-ii-foro-de-mujeres-y-til/
[22:06] <shauno> I think I should go to bed :/  really long day tomorrow.  I work from 6am, and fly at midnight.  who's a clever boy eh
[22:06] <daftykins> shauno: naaaaasty
[22:06] <daftykins> shauno: anything fun for the trip?
[22:07] <shauno> not particularly.  I'm gonna go walk up a hill
[22:07] <daftykins> ooh do tell
[22:07] <shauno> there's not much more to it  lol
[22:08] <shauno> apparently the done thing is to go to the top, but they put the train station at the bottom
[22:08] <shauno> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chopok
[22:09] <diddledan> silly foreigners
[22:09] <daftykins> well that looks good
[22:09] <daftykins> if that's the one close to Greece, my friend lives there
[22:10] <daftykins> i mix up the two slo's
[22:10] <diddledan> it looks like a slag heap
[22:10] <shauno> it's the one next to poland, and ukraine, and hungary, and czech rep.  and austria I think
[22:11] <shauno> it's easy to remember which one slovakia is.  the clue is right in 'czechoslovakia' ;)
[22:13] <daftykins> my geography isn't even good enough for that to be helpful XD
[22:14] <shauno> or history?
[22:14] <daftykins> i'm a teensy bit young for the czech story i think yeah
[22:15] <shauno> hm
[22:15] <shauno> or movies?  I think that's where schlinder's list finishes
[22:15]  * popey wants a new telly
[22:16] <daftykins> popey: why-so sir? what do you have?
[22:17] <daftykins> shauno: never watched that one :)
[22:17] <shauno> oh you have to
[22:18] <shauno> just for the moment when you get in a lift in Austria, and discover the leading brand is .. schindler.  schindler's lifts.
[22:23] <popey> something old
[22:24] <daftykins> shauno: oh. dear.
[22:25] <shauno> I know :(  but .. it's true.  http://www.schindler.com/uk/internet/en/home.html
[22:26] <popey> current telly is a 42" plasma, want to replace with something smaller and stick it on the wall
[22:28] <daftykins> smaller!
[22:29] <daftykins> LCD could save on the power too :)
[22:54] <Azelphur> Hey folks, I bought this, http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/remote-controlled-mains-sockets-set-3-pack-n79ka attached my 4 monitors to it, when I turn it on, occasionally it flips the breaker in my apartment, suggestions? :(
[22:57] <daftykins> hmm must be too much leakage at once
[23:08] <popey> heh, i have one of those too
[23:09] <popey> works a treat for shutting down the lounge at bed time
[23:10] <popey> maybe put two on one plug, two on another plug, so you dont turn all four on at once
[23:29] <Azelphur> yea, I guess that's the only solution for now