[14:03] <tdannecy> I'm having an issue starting Docky. I'm running Precise. Here's the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/9PgizJMC
[14:07] <knome> tdannecy, try asking the docky devs
[15:11] <xubuntu65w> I'd installed a 32 xubuntu system and wanted to change to the 64... so I got the 64 bit iso, loaded on the USB and rebooted... chose the wrong option (to replace) on the install screen and BANG - my home partition was wiped away too.
[15:11] <xubuntu65w> How stupid is that?
[15:11] <knome> xubuntu65w, well it's contrary to the mantra "always take backups before upgrading/reinstalling"
[15:11] <xubuntu65w> Is there a place where one can ask for the installation to be a little more *careful* if there already are exisiting / and /home partitions?
[15:12] <xubuntu65w> I mean I do have backups, but I'd configured a whole bunch of customized things on my /home partition, which I happily thought will be preserved.
[15:13] <knome> xubuntu65w, you can file a bug against ubiquity, but i really don't think that's going to change
[15:13] <knome> xubuntu65w, if the developers went that route, there would be a lot to notice the user about, and then nobody would read that list
[15:13] <xubuntu65w> I was ready to break a few windows - one click and gone. Dang.. in any case, just wanted to rant, to let off steam, now that the damage is already done.
[15:14] <knome> xubuntu65w, that doesn't happen if you *upgrade* from the image
[15:14] <knome> well, in theory...
[15:14] <knome> happy to hear you have backups :)
[15:14] <knome> xubuntu65w, but as i said.. you can file a bug against ubiquity and describe the situation
[15:15] <xubuntu65w> Ok - thank, knome - where do I get to that?
[15:15] <knome> run "ubuntu-bug ubiquity" on terminal or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug
[15:16] <xubuntu65w> I will do. at least it'll give help me get peace of mind, by putting out a piece of mind :-)
[15:16] <xubuntu65w> Thx, and cheers
[15:16] <knome> no problem, and enjoy xubuntu
[15:20] <jarnos> "light-locker-command -l && xfce4-session-logout -s" does not work for me in 14.04. Lock-on-suspend is false in light-locker settings and in session settings, but it should still work, I think.
[15:27] <brainwash> jarnos: is light-locker enabled and running in the background?
[15:29] <jarnos> brainwash, yes, but the suspend command pops up with dialog requesting password. That does not happen, if I lock by e.g. xscreensaver-command.
[15:32] <brainwash> sounds like the suspend action is inhibited. therefore, it requires root privileges to continue
[15:33] <brainwash> meaning your user password
[15:34] <brainwash> is there any terminal output?
[15:35] <brainwash> furthermore, can you suspend the system while from the unlock screen?
[15:35] <brainwash> -while
[15:36] <freezeeedos> hello, #xubuntu
[15:36] <freezeeedos> empty desktop after login; what's up with that ? :p
[15:37] <freezeeedos> I've already tried resetting the config
[15:37] <freezeeedos> running 14.04
[15:38] <brainwash> clean the session cache ~/.cache/sessions and try again
[15:38] <freezeeedos> I don't have easy access to the logs, it a friends machine
[15:38] <freezeeedos> brainwash, first thing i tried
[15:38] <GridCube> freezeeedos, press alt-f2 and type: xfwm4 --replace
[15:39] <GridCube> open a terminal and run: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop --reinstall
[15:40] <freezeeedos> I'll try that in a tty
[15:43] <freezeeedos> fixing a machine via SMS is a pain in the butt
[15:45] <freezeeedos> also, thanks for your suggestions, guys
[15:59] <freezeeedos> nope
[16:00] <freezeeedos> didn't work
[16:00] <freezeeedos> probably a useless upgrade that broke stuff
[16:02] <holstein> freezeeedos: you have a 'friends machine'? and you did an upgrade? and you cannot get to the desktop? and you have cleared the users config? have you tried the guest user?
[16:02] <freezeeedos> I don't have the machine with me
[16:02] <holstein> freezeeedos: you are not sitting in front of the machine? if not, i would just send the friend here
[16:03] <freezeeedos> she's not used to this kind of stuff
[16:03] <holstein> freezeeedos: sure. and nothing you or i or any volunteer here can make anyone more comfortable.. those are the steps i would take in that case.. test the guest account, then, if the guest account works, remove the user config
[16:04] <holstein> 11:38 < brainwash> clean the session cache ~/.cache/sessions and try again
[16:04] <holstein> ^ thats what i would try.. and thats not a "log" to access in any way.. its resetting the configuration that could be causing the behavior you are stating
[16:05] <freezeeedos> holstein, I know. As I said, I told her to try that
[16:05] <holstein> freezeeedos: yes.. and if you cant comfirm that she has tried it, or knows what that means, then, you cant assume its not the "Fix" for the sistuation
[16:06] <freezeeedos> I can confirm it
[16:06] <freezeeedos> she sent me a photo of the console
[16:06] <holstein> freezeeedos: hows is the guest user? is that working?
[16:06] <holstein> freezeeedos: sudo apt-get update  and share errors..
[16:07] <freezeeedos> We'll try that later. She's got to go somewhere
[16:07] <freezeeedos> but thanks
[16:08] <freezeeedos> so, any of you guys encountered this problem personally ?
[16:08] <holstein> freezeeedos: yes
[16:08] <freezeeedos> interesting.
[16:09] <holstein> freezeeedos: i run "sudo apt-get update" and deal with errors.. i then run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and deal with errors.. then, i check and see if the issue is system-wide or with my user account
[16:09] <holstein> freezeeedos: ppa's can break this.. any user config can cause that..
[16:10] <freezeeedos> holstein, agreed. I avoided adding any PPAs
[16:12] <holstein> freezeeedos: i use them if i need, understanding the risks. but, we are not talking about our systems
[16:12] <freezeeedos> right. I use them on my personnal machine as well
[16:13] <freezeeedos> we're linux guys. we can't help ourselves, right ;)
[16:13] <holstein> !ppa
[16:13] <holstein> ppa's are a handy way of adding newer packages.. but, they can "break" configs or other things..
[16:14] <freezeeedos> indeed they can break stuff. they can break stuff HARD.
[16:15] <xubuntu62w> I have hibernation button,but when i try to hibernate it says-"Failed to hibernate session.GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Failed: Operation not supported"
[16:15] <holstein> xubuntu62w: AFAIK, its disabled
[16:15] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/462472/xubuntu-14-04-how-to-enable-hibernate
[16:15] <holstein> personally, i never saw an advantage over just shutting down..
[16:16] <xubuntu62w> I have already edited this file.It didn't help.
[16:17] <xubuntu62w> holstein,well,you don't have to always be watching over your computer.I know that if i leave,it will hibernate automatically
[16:18] <xubuntu62w> So it doesn't waste energy beign suspended
[16:18] <holstein> xubuntu62w: i *still* dont personally see a need for hibernation, and would prefer suspend, or shutdown. but thats not the point
[16:18] <holstein> xubuntu62w: what have you done? did you reboot after changing that config?
[16:18] <xubuntu62w> Yes
[16:19] <holstein> xubuntu62w: so, to refine your statement above, you changed what file exactly? to what? and then you get that error message? was that the same message before you edited the file?
[16:21] <xubuntu62w> No.When i edited file hibernation  button showed up.I did exactly what was told here(http://askubuntu.com/questions/462472/xubuntu-14-04-how-to-enable-hibernate).
[16:22] <holstein> xubuntu62w: so, you edited "/var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/com.ubuntu.desktop.pkla" ?
[16:22] <xubuntu62w> Yes
[16:23] <holstein> xubuntu62w: you can pastebin that file here..
[16:23] <holstein> !pastebin
[16:24] <xubuntu62w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8404287/
[16:25] <holstein> xubuntu62w: i would also try hibernate command via terminal.. see what the exact errors are, and if you are just having a permissions issue
[16:25] <holstein> try sudo pm-hibernate
[16:27] <xubuntu62w> nothing happened except my sd card volume remounted
[16:28] <holstein> xubuntu62w: you can run "sudo pm-hibernate" in the terminal, and pastebin the output
[16:29] <xubuntu62w> it didn't show anything. sudo pmi action hibernate says-http://paste.ubuntu.com/8404325/
[16:29] <xubuntu62w> i tried both
[16:32] <holstein> xubuntu62w: referring to https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PowerManagement/Hibernate makes me think it should be working
[16:33] <holstein> xubuntu62w: im thinking it may be something else with your system supporting linux, or config
[16:34] <holstein> i would start https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PowerManagement/Hibernate#swsusp and probably at this point, be thinking about a workaround, like locking the screen
[16:36] <xubuntu62w> i'll read.thank you
[16:51] <xubuntu46w>  I added perl script to autostart,and after i reboot xfce panel appear for several seconds and the disappear.
[16:52] <xubuntu46w> appears for several seconds,and then disappears*
[16:53] <holstein> xubuntu46w: i would try removing the script i added to make sure its the cause, then i would take ths script to a programming channel to make sure its "correct", or share it here or in #ubuntu
[16:55] <xubuntu46w> I am not sure that matter is in script.I tried to disable caps lock button,so i added script to autostart,and panel also disappeared.
[16:56] <holstein> xubuntu46w: i would remove the script, and test..
[16:56] <holstein> xubuntu46w: then, i would share the script here, or in a perl channel..
[16:56] <holstein> !paste
[16:57] <xubuntu46w> This one https://github.com/iberianpig/xSwipe/blob/master/xSwipe.pl
[16:57] <holstein> perl, or general programming.. otherwise, i would try http://askubuntu.com/questions/410499/make-setxkbmap-preferences-being-set-at-startup
[16:58] <holstein> xubuntu46w: the creators of the xSwipe code might provide support..
[16:59] <holstein> i would try and just do it natively
[16:59] <xubuntu46w> natively&
[16:59] <xubuntu46w> natively?
[16:59] <holstein> xubuntu46w: right. i dont feel i need a github project to work with to disable my capslock key
[17:00] <holstein> xubuntu46w: i would try something with setxkbmap for example
[17:00] <xubuntu46w> It doesn't disable caps lock.I just said that two scripts that i added to autostart crashed my xfce panel
[17:01] <xubuntu46w> One was xswipe,another just disables caps via setxkbmap
[17:02] <holstein> xubuntu46w: sure.. i would just remove them, and see that they a are infact crashing the panel.. if so, i would ask the creators of the programs.. or, if this is a script you have made, i would share it, and see if any volunteer has any ideas
[17:02] <holstein> otherwise, if you want to disable caps lock, i dont think you need a 3rd party application
[17:05] <xubuntu46w> i didn't use 3rd party applications to disable caps lock.I added this script-http://paste.ubuntu.com/8404544/-it crashed xfce panel.I fixed it.Some time later i added xswipe to autostart,it also crashed panel.
[17:05] <knome> can we stop telling the same thing over and over again, both?
[17:05] <knome> please?
[17:05] <xubuntu46w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8404544/
[17:06] <knome> xubuntu46w, if you run the scripts from terminal when panel is running, does the panel crash then or only when the scripts are autostarted?
[17:06] <xubuntu46w> no.only when the scripts are autostarted
[17:07] <holstein> i might just try sleeping the autostart of it, then
[17:56] <vertz> Hi! Can i no longer choose to view how much power/time is left of my battery charge?
[18:01] <brainwash> vertz: no longer? so it worked at some point, but what exactly does not work anymore?
[18:02] <vertz> you know the battery icon in the notification area
[18:02] <vertz> before you could show reminding battery % and estimated time
[18:02] <vertz> now it shows an icon that makes me believe its plugged in the charger
[18:03] <brainwash> before? please explain this in more detail
[18:03] <vertz> after i updated to 14.10 beta or whatever it is
[18:03] <vertz> before as in 14.04
[18:03] <vertz> :)
[18:03] <brainwash> uhm.. why did you update to 14.04?
[18:03] <brainwash> to 14.10
[18:04] <vertz> eeeeeeh, i was drunk? :P
[18:04] <vertz> why shouldnt i?
[18:04] <vertz> someone have to try it out
[18:05] <brainwash> well, did you file a bug report then?
[18:05] <brainwash> you are beta tester now
[18:05] <vertz> no, not yet, not sure if its a bug, since there is no option
[18:05] <vertz> for that specific thing
[18:05] <vertz> so just wanted to check with you guys first :)
[18:06] <brainwash> the question is, are you talking about the indicator-power or the new power-manager panel plugin?
[18:06] <vertz> this is not the idicator-power
[18:07] <vertz> its the power-manager panel plugin
[18:08] <brainwash> ok, I suggest that you file a bug report then
[18:08] <vertz> but, if im not mistaken, -believe- it changed icons when plugged-in/unplugged before i upgraded after install
[18:08] <vertz> brainwash: yup, will do :)
[18:08] <brainwash> you can still "fall back" to indicator-power and remove the panel plugin
[18:09] <vertz> cept from that, everything seems to be working excellent
[18:09] <brainwash> currently there don't seem to be many people who test the upcoming release
[18:10] <vertz> love to check out the latest and greatest! atleast on a machine where stability isnt that important
[18:10] <vertz> like this livingroom laptop
[18:12] <brainwash> you should file the report directly on https://bugzilla.xfce.org/
[18:12] <vertz> yes sir!
[18:13] <brainwash> and feel free to report other bugs too, there is much bug fixing going on currently :)
[18:14] <vertz> brainwash: of course, i'll report what i find :)
[18:14] <brainwash> thanks
[18:14] <vertz> there was one other thing i found last night, but i cant remember what it was !
[18:14] <vertz> hehe
[18:15] <vertz> now i remember, but its not xfce related, but so annoying
[18:16] <brainwash> would it affect a default xubuntu installation?
[18:17] <vertz> yes
[18:17] <brainwash> then it should matter
[18:19] <brainwash> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ for non-xfce issues
[18:19] <vertz> its not really a bug, but it should be an option
[18:20] <brainwash> that's a feature request :)
[18:21] <vertz> lets say you are in workspace 1 and firefox is running on workspace 2 and you open url from a terminal in workspace 1, it starts blinking in the panel on workspace 1
[18:21] <vertz> same goes for like skype
[18:21] <vertz> if that makes sense
[18:23] <brainwash> yeah, not sure if bug or feature
[18:25] <vertz> should be possible to turn it off, steals your focus hehe :)
[18:26] <holstein> i would look in the window manager settings
[18:26] <holstein> if i were going to make a feature request, i would try going as far upstream as possible, as well. no need to address anything in general xubuntu that can be addressed in xfce
[18:28] <vertz> holstein: yeah
[18:30] <vertz> i tried to make a patch last night but, i fucked it up and broke it :P
[18:30] <holstein> !language
[18:32] <vertz> holstein: do i not speak in calm, polite english?
[18:33] <Pici> Please no swearing here.
[18:33] <holstein> vertz: if you have a minute, just read the link i had the bot share.. if it applies,it applies.. if not, then disregard.. i was bringing it up due to your last statement
[18:33] <vertz> oh, sorry about that
[18:44] <vertz> brainwash: mind if i pm u?
[18:46] <xubuntu021> italiani in chat?
[18:46] <Unit193> !it
[20:09] <helloill> can someone spare 2 sec for apt command for wayland
[20:11] <bazhang> !info wayland
[20:17] <nomic> wayland?  if a package isn't in sudo apt-get
[20:17] <nomic> either its binary
[20:17] <nomic> The following sequence of commands successfully built Weston and XWayland on an Ubuntu 12.04 LTS system, on May 23rd, 2014. This system had previously been used to compile Xlib programs, and thus already had some dependencies (such as git, the compiler, and X11 header files) installed.  http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ubuntu12.04.html
[20:22] <ironhoof> I was wondering how to purge items from whisker, I removed a few programs, and there is blank items in the menu, they stil have the name, but no icon, and when you go itno menulibre they do not show to delete. Is there a quick way to purge those?
[20:25] <knome> ironhoof, you can use the "hide from menus" feature in menulibre for them
[20:26] <ironhoof> Yea, I read that. they are not listed in menulibre though, so I cant get to any settings for them.
[20:28] <knome> ironhoof, they should show up, but if that doesn't happen, i would check where their .desktop files are located on the HD
[20:29] <ironhoof> Ok, checking...
[20:33] <xubuntu97w> will upgrading from 13.10 to 14.04 change any settings or programs on my desktop.
[20:34] <xangua> your personal settings are stored in your home
[20:34] <knome> xubuntu97w, no, settings are kept as they are
[20:34] <knome> xubuntu97w, but as always, take backups before upgrading
[21:08] <xubuntu97w> will updating have any affect on my other partition?
[21:09] <ObrienDave> wich other partition?
[21:09] <ObrienDave> *which
[21:10] <xubuntu97w> I have two partitions on my hard drive. if I update xubuntu, will the other partition be affected in any way
[21:11] <ObrienDave> what is on the other partition?
[21:11] <xubuntu97w> lubuntu
[21:11] <ObrienDave> so, you have lubuntu on one, and xubuntu on the other?
[21:11] <xubuntu97w> yes
[21:12] <ObrienDave> i suppose not, but why do you want to do that when it's easy enough to switch DEs?
[21:12] <ObrienDave> why 2 separate?
[21:13] <xubuntu97w> I didn't know how to switch DE's at the time
[21:14] <ObrienDave> ah, seems you could rsync one partition to the other and just use one partition
[21:14] <knome> ObrienDave, though that's not the question
[21:15] <xubuntu97w> yes but that requires more work
[21:15] <knome> xubuntu97w, if they are separate installations, upgrading another won't affect the other
[21:15] <xubuntu97w> in any way,knome?
[21:15] <knome> no, since they don't share files.
[21:15] <xubuntu97w> ok
[21:16] <xubuntu97w> thank you
[21:17] <xubuntu97w> and updating will have no effect on the programs in use either?
[21:18] <knome> no.
[21:18] <xubuntu97w> awesome
[21:26] <recon_lap> I used to have wine installed on xubuntu, it appears that an update uninstalled it, I am wondering why?
[22:02] <helloill> can some spare 2 sec for mutt link.Sorry noob here.I need email client
[22:08] <superkuh> sudo apt-get install mutt didn't work?
[22:11] <helloill> nah i feel like using ff after i get a tutorial
[22:12] <superkuh> ... k.
[23:01] <helloill> Question here about replacement for ssh, should i install Mosh on my ubuntu system.NO/yes
[23:03] <knome> helloill, please do not take polls on this channel. ask yourself if you really need the replacement
[23:14] <jlolopez> exit
[23:33] <helloill_> exit
[23:37] <NOOBstat> Question here abount replacement for ssh, should i install Mosh on my ubuntu system.YES/no
[23:37] <knome> NOOBstat, hello helloill. still, please do not take polls on this channel.
[23:38] <NOOBstat> i just literly signed on a second ago....WAT
[23:39] <knome> NOOBstat, no need to play games.
[23:42] <NOOBstat> LOL!