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marcoceppihazmat: want someone to package that up?00:02
hazmatmarcoceppi, sure00:17
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JoshStroblhey marcoceppi, you around?06:59
JoshStroblwhat are your thoughts on me changing the stuff like -changed to <name>-relation-changed in authors-charm-hooks.md, such as in the following section: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/authors-charm-hooks.html#<name>-relation-departed. I think doing that and putting it between tick marks would make those hooks stand out more when they are being referenced.07:01
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lazyPowerJoshStrobl: sounds good to me08:32
JoshStrobllazyPower, https://github.com/juju/docs/pull/17608:56
lazyPowerhaha, <3 evilnickveitch https://github.com/juju/docs/pull/17208:58
JoshStroblah didn't notice he was going to land that code inconsistency fix :D09:01
JoshStroblactually09:02
JoshStroblnvm that was you .P09:02
JoshStroblI just did a resync of my fork today and was working with what I had, you gotta be more on the ball with getting these pull requests merged man! :P09:03
JoshStrobllazyPower, there will be some minor conflicts for your merge, should be easily resolvable though!09:04
lazyPowerJoshStrobl: yep, no big deal. I can pull and revise the PR09:05
lazyPowerthis is one of the few quiet times during the day that I feel like i can be really productive, if i keep my heado ut of IRC long enough to do so :P09:05
lazyPoweryesterday i was all aflutter about my blog post landing on HackerNews to be really productive. that tanked my motivation to do anything other than watch stats and merge bundles.09:06
lazyPowerso today i've gotta make up for that lost productivity09:06
JoshStrobl:D09:06
lazyPoweroye JoshStrobl, did you cat the latest Nu: podcast?09:07
JoshStrobllazyPower, yea I already listened to it :P09:07
lazyPowerniiiice09:07
lazyPowerman, you *are* on the ball09:07
JoshStroblI was listening to it while working on the docs actually09:07
lazyPowerThis friday ~ 5pm EDT, i'll have another live show09:08
lazyPowerlooking to do a 3 hour megamix repeat09:08
JoshStroblsweet09:08
lazyPowerso if you're around, ping me and i'll hit ya with some details09:08
JoshStroblI might jump in SL (it has seriously been a while) and go to the location when that happens09:08
JoshStrobl3hr megamix? awesome man.09:08
lazyPoweroh  i actually bailed on that medium09:09
lazyPoweri took the fans from there off the grid and changed format to the podcast for my regular shows09:09
lazyPowerthe live mixes are an added bonus for glory09:09
lazyPowerand because nothing beats recovering from a botched transition on stream :P09:09
JoshStroblso where will the live show be if not that location? or does mixcloud support live streams?09:10
* JoshStrobl doesn't know.09:10
lazyPoweri run an icecast/shoutcast server09:10
JoshStroblah cool09:10
lazyPowergetting ready to cut this gem after i add relay support and tests - https://code.launchpad.net/~lazypower/charms/trusty/shoutcast/trunk09:11
JoshStroblyou deploy that with Juju?09:11
JoshStroblthought so :D09:11
lazyPowerthats the point of doing this on friday. Incentive to finish it up so i can scale out if we tank the shoutcast server09:11
JoshStroblsweet09:13
lazyPoweri plan on collecting metrics and blogging about this as well - i'm hoping to generate enough interest to talk about a real scale out scenario for a change vs theorhetical09:14
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JoshStroblmaybe we could showcase the metrics and scaling so it is easier for people to really understand the benefit of scaling the service as well as making sure your charm's service is scalable.09:21
JoshStroblbesides, everyone likes "real world" examples v.s. theoretical09:21
lazyPowerindeed!09:25
lazyPowerwe'll need to flood the server tho, i'm talking > 50 listeners09:25
lazyPowera single host running at 1gb of ram can easily transcode/stream to ~ 40/50 hosts before it starts dropping connections09:25
JoshStrobllazyPower, any way we can simulate that?09:25
lazyPoweractually. probably09:25
lazyPowermpg123 the source multiple times from another VPS09:26
gnuoyI'm using juju from tip (1.21-alpha2) and when I try and do juju sync-tools with a new maas setup it complains that the environment is not bootstrapped. this leaves me in a bit of a chicken/egg situation as I can't bootstrap due to the lack of tools10:40
jamespagetvansteenburgh, gnuoy: https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charm-helpers/disable-hookenv-config-save/+merge/23560710:49
marcoceppiJoshStrobl: it already has <name> there but it's being rendered as HTML10:54
marcoceppiI suggest to change it to [name] instead10:54
JoshStroblmarcoceppi, I did a pull request where that file in particular just has references to particular relation hooks (like -changed) wrapped in "back ticks" so it is easily distinguishable.10:56
JoshStroblmarcoceppi, pull request @ https://github.com/juju/docs/pull/176 already merged thanks to lazyPower10:57
lazyPowergrr10:57
lazyPoweri didn't think about that10:57
marcoceppiJoshStrobl: that's cool, but currently the headers are <name>- and those are interpurted as HTML wasn't something you did but we should avoid <var> as keywords in general in the docs now that I see this10:58
lazyPowermarcoceppi: making a fix branch and PR shortly10:58
marcoceppilazyPower: cool10:59
JoshStroblmarcoceppi, well I didn't change it to <name>-relation-joined, just `-joined` so it shouldn't be an issue.10:59
JoshStroblI rendered and tested in htmldocs before doing a request and it was rendering properly11:00
JoshStroblhttps://github.com/juju/docs/pull/176/files#diff-5433c68091963235b67c8f260cd4639411:00
lazyPowerhttps://github.com/juju/docs/pull/17711:01
JoshStroblAh I see what you're referring to.11:01
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JoshStrobllazyPower, there are references in some files to particular relation hooks, like authors-hook-environment. with the change from < to [, it'll break those direct links. once your PR goes through, want me to change those?11:04
lazyPowerJoshStrobl: +111:04
l6unchpadI'm using charmhelpers in a charm and it appears not to be installed on a unit:11:05
l6unchpadfrom charmhelpers.contrib import ansible11:05
l6unchpadImportError: No module named contrib11:05
JoshStroblcool, I'll do that after your PR (that way I don't need to deal with git stashing changes and such)11:06
l6unchpadany suggestions to this possibly noob question?11:06
l6unchpadactually scratch that.11:07
l6unchpad> this: ./scripts/charm_helpers_sync.py -c charm-helpers.yaml11:09
marcoceppil6unchpad: yeah, you've got to embed them or pip install them11:10
lazyPowermarcoceppi: https://github.com/juju/docs/pull/17711:11
lazyPower<3 ty11:14
lazyPowerJoshStrobl: ready for PR11:14
JoshStrobllazyPower, cool, I'll update my fork and do the change11:15
JoshStroblhttps://github.com/juju/docs/pull/17811:20
JoshStrobllazyPower: bug report - "juju deploy happyness" should be "juju deploy happiness" (ref: your blog)11:29
lazyPower>.>11:29
lazyPower<.<11:29
lazyPowerpushed & closed11:30
JoshStrobl:P11:30
lazyPowerthanks for pointing that out :)11:40
JoshStrobllazyPower, no problem. that digitalocean plugin is awesome. that said, you should get DO support built into juju core.11:40
lazyPowerthere's a bug for that11:40
JoshStrobl:O11:41
lazyPowerJoshStrobl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/137254311:44
mupBug #1372543: add a digital ocean provider <digital-ocean> <feature> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1372543>11:44
JoshStroblmarked as affected11:45
lazyPowerJoseeAntonioR: ping11:45
JoshStroblI'll keep track of the bug, once it is merged I'll go ahead and write a doc up on DO provider11:46
lazyPowerAlready incoming today based on my blog post with the plugin as our BETA mention of DO11:46
lazyPoweronce the provider lands, we'll just strip the plugin install  and command routing and profit.11:46
JoshStroblah cool!11:47
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lazyPoweri'll be working on that + getting it merged post lunch11:51
gnuoyI'm trying to running sync-tools with the maas provider and am getting "environment is not bootstrapped". Given I can't bootstrap without running the key sync  I'm stuck. Any ideas? (I'm using 1.21-alpha1-trusty-amd64)12:20
gnuoys/key sync/tool sync/12:20
lazyPowergnuoy: are you running juju bootstrap --sync-tools? (sorry to be daft, just trying to be thorough)12:21
lazyPower(replies may be latent, i'm making waffles)12:21
gnuoylazyPower, I'm the one that's probably being daft. But to answer your question, no. I'm trying to sync tools first as a standalone command as I have some hand rolled tools to upload12:23
gnuoyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/8410426/12:23
tvansteenburghjamespage: merged, thank you!12:24
lazyPowertry bootstrapping, then uploading the tools (unless there is an implicit reason for doing it in reverse order)12:35
gnuoylazyPower, bootstrap fails because there are no tools12:35
lazyPowergnuoy: even when you pass --upload-tools?12:36
gnuoyhmm, let me give that a go.12:36
gnuoynatefinch, hi, I'm trying to upload windows juju tools in a maas environment but it's failing. Do you have any time for me to quiz you about it ?13:02
natefinchgnuoy: sure13:03
gnuoynatefinch, I'm using maas 1.7 and juju 1.21-alpha1. If I try and upload the locally built juju.exe then juju complains the env is not bootstrapped. But I can't bootstrap without the new tools13:04
natefinchgnuoy: you should be able to do juju bootstrap --upload-tools13:05
gnuoynatefinch, but I need to tell juju to pickup the tools from a local directory which is an option to sync-tools but nbot to upload-tools13:05
gnuoynatefinch, is this a change in behaviour? A lot of dicumentation talks about doing sync-tools before bootstrapping13:06
natefinchgnuoy: upload tools will automatically look for local tools... just make sure you have a jujud.exe next to your juju client application, and it'll pick those13:06
natefinchgnuoy: sync tools is really only for environments that don't have access to the internet.  You bootstrap with --upload-tools and then use sync-tools to grab the various tools from the internet and upload them into your environment13:09
gnuoynatefinch, fair enough. fwiw I've seen sync-tools first in a few places, like https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/juju-quick-start.html13:10
mgzas a non-dev user, trying to not use --upload-tools seems correct13:11
mgznatefinch: is the simplestreams tooling not up to doing windows yet?13:12
natefinchmgz: yes, definitely13:12
natefinchmgz: I'm not sure13:12
natefinchmgz: doesn't look like it13:12
mgzso I guess it's --upload-tools or nowt for now then13:12
gnuoynatefinch, it is still complaining about not being able to find tools, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8410715/13:14
natefinchmgz: https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/juju-quick-start.html#now-juju     Is it me or are these docs crazy?13:14
gnuoyI may have not stumbled across the correct name for the tools file yet13:14
natefinchmgz: it talks about doing sync tools before bootstrap, but sync-tools requires an environment13:15
JoshStroblnatefinch, I wasn't even aware that there was that documentation. Any reason for it given there is config-maas as juju.ubuntu.com/docs/ ?13:17
JoshStrobl*at juju.....13:18
mattywlazyPower, ping?13:19
lazyPowermattyw: pong13:19
mattywlazyPower, hey there, I might have some time later this week to take a look at the mongo charm auth stuff. I took a look at the weekend and wanted to get some unit tests going but was struggling to get what's there running13:19
mattywlazyPower, would you be available to pair for an hour later this week or next?13:20
lazyPowerSure thing. I need to clean up the tests directory. There are a bunch of leftover old tests13:20
lazyPowerI was going to strike whats in the tests directory save for the amulet based tests, and work on fixing/extending those. as they are failing in CI13:21
lazyPowerand go back and get test coverage around the hooks as a secondary stretch goal13:22
gnuoynatefinch, sorry, I'm still not clear where the juju7d.exe needs to be and what it needs to be names to get --upload-tools to pick it up13:25
natefinchgnuoy: I think having it in the same directory where you are running juju is all that should be required13:29
gnuoynatefinch, what should it be called ? just jujud.exe ?13:30
natefinchgnuoy: correct13:30
ayr-tonWhen write charms, do you guys prefer to use shell script or puppet dsl with standalone puppet?13:30
ayr-tonI'm looking into this: http://www.slideshare.net/lynxmanuk/juju-puppet-puppetconf-201113:31
gnuoynatefinch, doesn't seem to have done the trick http://paste.ubuntu.com/8410809/13:32
natefinchgnuoy: oh hmm... well, so you can't bootstrap onto windows... only ubuntu.  Windows only works for deploying new units13:34
natefinchgnuoy: so you need the ubuntu tools for bootstrap13:35
gnuoynatefinch, ahhh, the plot thickens. So once you've bootstrapped you do add-machine to get a windows machine and then do deploy --to ?13:36
jcastrois any charmer available for an on the spot review?13:37
jcastroI need to get this bundle fixed asap13:37
natefinchgnuoy: you can just do juju deploy <windows-charm> and it'll pick windows because the charm should be labelled as windows13:39
gnuoynatefinch, oh, cool. thanks13:39
aisraeljcastro: I'm around, if you can't find someone else13:44
jamespagegnuoy, i'm reworking the hacluster charm like we discussed - its quite exciting not watching it rip everything apart on the slightest change of data!13:45
jamespagegnuoy, lp:~james-page/charms/trusty/hacluster/mix-fixes13:45
gnuoy\o/13:45
pdobrienhey folks, having an issue14:10
pdobrienI got my private Openstack cloud bootstrapped yesterday by using an ubuntu image to do it (since the Mac code has a bug)14:11
pdobriengot it up and running and deployed the GUI, everything working fine14:11
pdobrienhowever, when I try to deploy something else (mysql for example), the instances aren't starting14:11
pdobrienthe error in juju status is: agent-state-info: index file has no data for cloud {RegionOne https://server.com:8770/v2.0/}14:12
pdobrienI think I need to provide the metadata so that it knows which image to use, etc. because I had to do that to bootstrap, but I'm not sure how to do it for charms14:12
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james_wpdobrien: you followed https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/howto-privatecloud.html?14:36
ayr-tonAbout the roadmap, if I want to move a service to a different machine or enviroment, it will be possible?14:48
pdobrienjames_w: I did not see that page, I followed a different guide.  I will check it out, thanks!14:49
james_wpdobrien: did you set up simplestreams for your cloud?14:51
pdobrienjames_w: I don't think so... I'm looking at that now.14:52
james_wpdobrien: ok14:53
pdobrienjames_w: I did do the section under "deploying private clouds" where I generated the metadata, etc.  I was able to bootstrap successfully.14:56
james_wpdobrien: where did you upload the metadata?14:57
pdobrienjames_w: does "juju bootstrap --metadata-source . --upload-tools -v" upload the metadata?15:02
pdobrienjames_w: I see lots of stuff in the object store15:02
james_wpdobrien: I don't know15:02
james_wpdobrien: that takes care of the tools15:04
james_wbut it's the image metadata you are having a problem with15:04
james_wpdobrien: you will have control-bucket set in the juju env definition15:05
james_wif you list the contents of that in the object store15:05
james_wthen you will hopefully find streams/v1/index.json15:05
pdobrienjames_w: yes, that is there.15:07
pdobrienjames_w: I see the problem... the charms I am using want a precise image, I configured a trusty image for bootstrap15:09
james_wpdobrien: do the contents have something like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8411413/ ?15:09
pdobrienjames_w: so I just need to create metadata for a precise image, I think15:09
james_wpdobrien: ah, ok15:12
arosalesmarcoceppi: lazyPower, mbruzek: do you guys know if the revision file is being used in 1.18?15:20
mbruzekarosales: I do not believe it is used in that version either15:20
lazyPoweri dont have a definitive answer. But I'm fairly certain that if one is not present, juju will create one on deploy for you.15:21
lazyPowerso it shoudl be safe to disregard it15:21
JoshStroblI recall mbruzek telling me just to remove it from my charm (he sent it in a review email a while back) since it wasn't used. that correct mbruzek?15:22
arosalesJoshStrobl: correctly pointed out that it is still being referenced in https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/authors-charm-components.html15:22
arosalesif 1.18 isn't using it suggest we just removed that linle15:22
arosales*line15:22
mbruzekJoshStrobl: I did tell you to remove it.  My understanding is we have not used revision file in QUITE some time.15:23
JoshStroblYea, since it currently just says "revision is now deprecated", I just figured we should just have it not in the doc to begin with.15:23
arosalesJoshStrobl: sounds like it is a +1 for removal, nice find15:23
JoshStroblI'll edit it and do a PR then15:24
pdobrienjames_w: (or anyone) I have uploaded updated image metadata with info about where to find the precise image.  Is there a way to restart the deployment process for the charms I have already deployed, or should I remove them and start over?15:25
JoshStroblhttps://github.com/juju/docs/pull/17915:25
JoshStroblHey mbruzek good work on the unmaintained charm workflow doc!15:27
mbruzekthank you15:27
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themonklazyPower, hi15:56
lazyPowergreetings themonk15:56
themonkhow are you15:56
themonkhow are you?15:56
lazyPowerI'm well, and yourself?15:56
themonki am fine :)15:57
lazyPowerBrilliant :)15:57
themonki wrote 2 charm15:58
themonki want it to be reviewed and listed in charmstore15:58
themonkbut i found it very confusing15:59
lazyPowerAre you looking for *recommended* status? or are you looking to just get moving quickly by having it int he store?15:59
themonkin official doc15:59
pdobrienjames_w: (or anyone) I have uploaded the updated image metadata to the object store, but juju metadata validate-images still fails.15:59
JoshStroblthemonk, are you having issues publishing your charm to your Launchpad account?15:59
JoshStroblthemonk, or submitting it to be reviewed?16:00
themonklazyPower, just want to quickly list it in the store16:00
themonkfor now16:00
JoshStroblYou can get it listed in the store under your own namespace by following the documentation at https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/authors-charm-store.html16:01
lazyPowerthemonk: follow the namespace charms listing: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/authors-charm-store.html#name-space-charms16:01
lazyPowerthemonk: however - if you could expand on what was confusing you - it would help us to clean up that document a bit and hopefully help lead other users down the correct path.16:02
JoshStroblthemonk, have you used the bzr tool to initialize your local repository, add the files, commit them, etc.16:02
JoshStroblexactly16:02
themonklazyPower, ok, can i later do it "Are you looking for *recommended* status?"16:03
JoshStroblthemonk, you can submit your charm to be reviewed whenever you decide to. until then it will reside in your personal namespace, but will still be accessible in the store.16:03
JoshStroblthemonk, Of course we recommend having it be reviewed, it gets you a recommended status and helps ensure it is reliable, high quality, and properly deploys with Juju :)16:04
themonkok, doing it now, thanks16:04
themonk:)16:05
JoshStroblthemonk, if you have any questions regarding submitting it, even to your own namespace, feel free to reach out! That said, as lazyPower mentioned, we would love feedback on what you found confusing in the documentation so we can improve it!16:05
themonkJoshStrobl, ok :) i will16:14
themonksoon16:14
james_wpdobrien: still the same error?16:14
pdobrienjames_w: yes... index file has no data for cloud16:16
james_wpdobrien: where did you upload the metadata this time?16:17
pdobrienjames_w: it doesn't look like it's looking at cloud storage for the metadata, it says source: default cloud images16:17
pdobrienjames_w: it's in the cloud storage, images/streams/v1/index.json and com.ubuntu.cloud:released:imagemetadata.json16:18
pdobrienjames_w: 'juju metadata validate-tools' successfully finds the tools metadata in cloud storage16:18
james_wpdobrien: in the control-bucket?16:18
pdobrienjames_w: yes, same place as the tools metadata16:19
james_wpdobrien: juju set-environment logging-config="<root>=DEBUG;juju=TRACE"16:20
james_wthat will turn on debug logging16:20
james_wyou can then try again16:20
james_wand look in the log of the bootstrap node for more info16:21
pdobrienjames_w: should I be looking in /var/log/juju/machine-0.log?16:31
james_wpdobrien: I'm not exactly sure16:32
james_wlooking for things like DEBUG juju.environs.simplestreams simplestreams.go:388 fetchData failed for "http://<ip>/v1/AUTH_aaaaaaaaa/simplestreams/data/streams/v1/mirrors.json": cannot find URL "http://<ip>/v1/AUTH_aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa/simplestreams/data/streams/v1/mirrors.json" not found16:33
james_wor similar16:33
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pdobrienjames_w: I don't see anything like that.  nothing happens when I validate images16:41
pdobrienI don't think it's even looking16:41
james_wpdobrien: oh16:42
james_wsorry16:42
james_wnot validate-images16:42
james_wthat's all on the client16:42
james_wdeploy or something16:42
pdobrienah ok16:43
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pdobrieniames_w: it's finding the index.json for images16:54
james_wpdobrien: interesting16:57
james_wcan you pastebin the contents of the index.json?16:57
james_wdoes it have a cloud with the region/endpoint it is complaining about in the error message?16:58
pdobrienjames_w: sure16:58
pdobrienjames_w: http://pastebin.com/3YHYdpUu17:00
james_wpdobrien: ok, that looks reasonable17:00
james_wpdobrien: I assume the url matches the one in the error message?17:01
pdobrienjames_w: yes17:01
james_wpdobrien: could you paste the relevant section of the debug log file please?17:03
pdobrienjames_w: log: http://pastebin.com/1CDByX0D17:05
james_whmm17:07
james_wpdobrien: ok17:10
jamespagegnuoy, for tomorrow - https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charm-helpers/multiple-https-networks/+merge/23567617:11
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james_wpdobrien: I don't know, sorry17:18
james_wpdobrien: I can't see what is wrong17:18
pdobrienjames_w: no worries, thanks for taking a look!  I'll put up a post on the mailing list17:18
james_wpdobrien: you could try filing a bug with that last pastebin, the commands you ran, and the juju status output17:18
james_wyeah17:18
james_wan expert can probably spot what is going on17:18
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JoseeAntonioRmbruzek: hey, is your latest merge a fix for bug 1372996?19:44
mupBug #1372996: make 00-setup executable <audit> <mongodb (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1372996>19:44
mbruzekJoseeAntonioR: Not yet, I am on a call at the moment19:44
JoseeAntonioRok, I'm going for it19:45
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kwmonroelazyPower: i'm having a doozie of a time bringing up the juju-gui on a DO tiny node (512mb).  i saw you deploy this in your blog post yesterday, but didn't see you actually connect.  did you?20:46
lazyPoweryep20:47
lazyPowernot in the demo, but it works20:47
lazyPowercan you show me your history of how you deployed it?20:47
kwmonroei'm staring at this spinning circle "connecting to the juju env" and it's possibly the slowest page on the internet.20:47
kwmonroewondering if a 1gb DO would do better.. or if somebody is up in my tubes.20:48
lazyPowerit woudl be better on a 1gb do20:48
lazyPoweryou're underpowering your state server by colo'ing yoru gui on it20:48
kwmonroeack.. fwiw, juju docean bootstrap --constraints="mem=512M, region=nyc3" && juju deploy juju-gui --to 020:49
hatchkwmonroe: that should be fine20:49
hatchwhen you refresh the page does it hang still?20:49
lazyPoweryou dont need to specify the mem if you're going for tiny's20:49
lazyPowerit defaults to tiny20:49
kwmonroerefreshing doesn't seem to help hatch - https://104.131.29.26/20:50
kwmonroesometimes it seems like it's progressing (bg turns dark instead of grey).  other times i watch the spinner.20:51
hatchlooking20:51
hatchkwmonroe: I can get to the login screen20:52
hatchright away actually20:52
kwmonroehmph20:52
hatchare you behind something which blocks websockets?20:52
hatchsecure websockets specifically20:52
lazyPowerkwmonroe: pull it up in firefox20:53
kwmonroei dunno hatch - i don't think so20:53
lazyPoweri had this issue once before with chrome -dev20:53
lazyPowerbut it was intermittant20:53
JoshStroblI pulled it up fine in Chrome.20:53
kwmonroeyeah, i did take the chrome update today but haen't restarted it20:53
hatchkwmonroe: ok what browser are you in? I'd like to do a little debugging to try and find the problem20:53
kwmonroehatch: i was in chrome, but hadn't restarted the browser since an update this morning.  derp.  after restart, it's working in chromium 3720:55
kwmonroesorry for the noise - thx lazyPower and hatch!20:55
hatchkwmonroe: haha np :) glad it's working20:57
hatchlazyPower: bic2k is having issues with the osx brew recipe - is there any known issues with it?20:58
lazyPowerhatch: a user showed up this morning and introduced a new issue about missing command(s)20:58
lazyPowerhatch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/137255021:01
mupBug #1372550: juju metadata missing from brew juju 1.20.7 <feature> <metadata> <osx> <papercut> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1372550>21:01
hatchahh I think his was charmtools related21:01
bic2klazyPower: Ya, mine is the osx brew forumla fails out with some python related issue. Figured it would work since its mentioned in the charm docs.21:03
lazyPowerbic2k: i brew installed juju thsi morning21:03
lazyPowerit was confirmed working ~ 9am EDT21:03
bic2klazyPower: `juju` is installed just fine `charm-tools` does not install21:04
lazyPowerbic2k: stacktrace for me?21:04
aisraelIs there a preferred/recommended templating module for charming in python?22:47
thumperaisrael: I think there is something in the charm helpers...23:28
thumperbut I don't recall exactly where23:28
thumpermarcoceppi: ?23:28
aisraelYeah, that's a good point. I can look at the templating there as an example.23:28
aisraelThanks!23:28
aisraelLooks like it's using Cheetah23:30

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