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robert_ancellRAOF, do to intel drivers support FSAA?03:43
RAOFrobert_ancell: I'm pretty sure they do.03:44
robert_ancellRAOF, all my EGL configs have EGL_SAMPLES=003:44
RAOFrobert_ancell: For example, glxinfo output - 0x093 24 tc  0  32  0 r  y .   8  8  8  8 .  .  0 24  8  0  0  0  0  8 1 None03:44
robert_ancellwhich column is samples?03:45
RAOF(The last three columns are number of MSAA samples, ‘b’?, and Caveat03:45
robert_ancellMine are all zero. I guess i965 is too crap?03:45
robert_ancellRAOF, also, is there an eglinfo tool?03:46
RAOFes2_info03:46
RAOFBut that's much less comprehensive.03:46
robert_ancellHmm, it doesn't even show any configurations03:47
RAOFPatches welcome :)03:53
robert_ancellRAOF, there is a better elginfo tool in mesa-demos which is the equivalent of glxinfo but it's not installed03:53
robert_ancellsrc/src/egl/opengl/eglinfo03:54
duflurobert_ancell: I've been thinking Mir could get its own FSAA support. No need for explicit driver support. The hard part is teaching our APIs the difference between physical and logical dimensions (I'm working on that)03:54
RAOFrobert_ancell: Huh, correct!03:55
pittiGood morning04:17
duflurobert_ancell: Actually for anything shell or desktop related, FSAA is almost certainly the wrong answer. FSAA is only required for scenes with lots of non-perpendicular angles (3D games). Other than that, you can achieve the same thing on a per-surface basis with standard texture filtering04:47
robert_ancellduflu, yeah, this is for a 3D game04:48
dufluOkay then :)04:48
robert_ancellApparently Mali gives your 4xAA for free04:48
duflurobert_ancell: I hope in the near future, Mir will provide at least one shell which can anti-alias your game windows04:49
didrocksmorning05:40
larsubonjour!05:50
didrockshey larsu, wie geht's?05:59
larsudidrocks: back is getting worse :(06:00
larsuotherwise good06:00
larsuyou?06:00
didrocksargh, you really hurt yourself :(06:00
mvolarsu: oh :/ what happend?06:00
didrocksI'm good, I think I'll be able to run back today (still some pain in my legs, but mostly fine)06:00
mvodidrocks: good morning! you have pain as well? what happend, did you play football against each other ;) ?06:01
larsumvo: hi! Not sure, it started hurting after we were in a ropes course on Sunday and got worse since then. I think it's some kind of blockage06:02
larsuit's hard to do almost anything :/06:02
didrocksmvo: ahah no! I'm unsure what happened. I'm used to walk a lot (I guess 16kms on Saturday, as usual), but this time, my legs didn't really support it and I had big pain parallelizing them since sunday06:02
larsulol06:03
mvodidrocks, larsu: weeeh, get well!06:03
didrocksfor me, should be gone tomorrow morning. Larsu… seems more complicated :/06:04
larsumvo: thanks! /me tries ;)06:04
larsudidrocks: I think it should only be a couple of days. Hopefully. Get better as well!06:04
didrocksthanks dude, you too :)06:05
larsuthanks06:06
willcookemorning all07:51
didrockshey willcooke07:51
seb128good morning desktopers07:58
Laneyyooooo08:04
seb128hey Laney, how are you?08:04
Laneyhi seb128, doing alright, quiet evening last night08:07
Laneyyou?08:07
seb128same08:08
Laneyclimbing tonight though \o/08:09
LaneyI had this mark on my finger corresponding with some pain08:09
Laneyand got extremely paranoid that I had knackered a tendon08:09
Laneybut now it is obviously just a cut ...08:09
Laneynot until after a lot of googling about tendon injury recovery08:10
czajkows1iLaney: careful you'll get index doing that :p08:11
seb128how long did you stop due to that?08:11
Laneyno time, i realised the next morning :p08:12
* Laney fnars at czajkows1i 08:12
seb128is anyone here interested by looking at updating empathy?09:10
seb128we are still on 3.8, upstream pointed out we should update, especially that new version 3.10/12 don't change ui to use headerbar or anything that wouldn't work for us09:11
willcookeseb128, Does kenvandine have anything to do with Empathy?09:11
seb128willcooke, he sort of used to maintain it when he was in desktop team, not sure he has still/interest for it still09:12
darkxstseb128, we have 3.12 pacakges on the ppa, probably just need to be rebased09:12
seb128I plan to ask him about the update if nobody steps up to pick it09:12
seb128darkxst, do you know if there is any reason it was not proposed for utopic?09:12
darkxstseb128, it has a build-dep on geoclue-2.009:18
darkxstwhich is in universe09:18
Laneythe geoclue support is optional09:19
darkxstI can't think of any other reason09:19
seb128darkxst, do you know if whoever did the update in the ppa could merge propose it for Ubuntu proper as well?09:21
seb128with a ffe09:21
darkxstgeoclue is currently enabled though since 3.8 uses the old geoclue which is in main09:21
seb128that might be for v but still would be nice to get in09:22
darkxstseb128, that would be ricotz09:22
seb128ricotz, hey ;-)09:23
seb128I though he might end up like that09:23
seb128he->it09:23
seb128ricotz, would be nice if you proposed some of you work to be merged back in Ubuntu rather than targetting ppas only ;-)09:23
darkxstseb128, looking at the changelog there are a few disable patches09:24
darkxst    - 23_idomessagedialog_for_voip_and_ft.patch, needs gtk+3 patch for09:24
darkxst      ubuntu_menu_item_factory symbols09:24
darkxst      38_default_to_facebook_for_im.patch,09:24
darkxst      42_shell_running.patch,09:24
darkxst      47_git_activate_with_platform_data.patch, disabled, rewrite needed09:24
seb128hum k09:25
seb128still, proposing what you have in would be a start09:26
seb128I'm sure some build-depends got updated and patches refreshed09:26
seb128that would avoid redoing that work09:26
darkxstricotz, ^ can you take care of that?09:33
Laneythere's probably some crufty stuff in those patches too09:33
ricotzseb128, hey, there is/was no point in proposing anything since ubuntu doesnt ship the version of those gnome cycles or want to avoid the ui changes09:34
ricotzsorry, but i guess i wont get to it, feel free to pick anything you like09:35
seb128ricotz, we don't want headerbars but empathy is not using those I think09:37
seb128ok09:37
seb128so back to the question09:37
seb128is anyone wanting to work on that update? ;-)09:37
darkxstNoskcaj, ^ could you rebase the ppa packaging atleast?09:44
Noskcajdarkxst, Define rebase09:46
NoskcajI'm still busy trying to make adt-run function09:47
darkxstNoskcaj, just merge the ppa package over ubuntu branch09:48
Noskcajok09:49
darkxstNoskcaj, you are stuck on adt-run still?09:49
NoskcajIt gets a qemu error when i run it on the binary09:49
seb128Noskcaj, darkxst: thanks09:50
darkxstNoskcaj, for gnome-photos? you need to run it on the source09:50
Noskcajok09:50
darkxstadt-run --source=*.dsc09:50
seb128Noskcaj, you can use https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/1339352 to add your work/link the vcs09:50
ubot5Launchpad bug 1339352 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Update to 3.12" [Wishlist,Triaged]09:50
Noskcajdarkxst,  So will this need a geoclue MIR?10:02
Laneyit's not as simple as that10:03
Laneythe new one doesn't support plugins IIRC, so won't work with ubuntu geoip10:05
darkxstyeh geoclue-2.0 won't like ubuntu geoip at all ;)10:06
Noskcajdarkxst, I'm meant to have had my PC off at 8, so g'night10:07
darkxstNoskcaj, ok, bye10:08
LaneyMaybe it could grow support if someone writes the patch10:09
Noskcajnominating yourself Laney?10:09
darkxstLaney, not via plugins, the whole point of geoclue-2 was the simplify the crazy complicated backends10:10
Laneythe code is 'someone' means 'someone else LALALA'10:10
Laneyyes10:10
LaneyI mean in tree10:10
seb128not sure how much code change that is, maybe we can revert to keep using geoclue110:11
seb128or maybe we can decide we don't care about the geoclue feature (not sure for what it's used, is that for mapping support but we build without champlain?)10:12
Laneyprobably true in the case of empathy10:13
LaneyWe're building webkit with geoclue 1 atm for this same reason though10:15
Laneyit'd be nice to be able to move to the new series10:15
darkxstLaney, but that only provides positioning, not all the other geo-ish features that geoclue 1 had10:19
Laneyit still doesn't do that?10:20
Laneyi know 2.0.0 wasn't at parity10:21
darkxstit was never meant to10:21
Laneywhat's missing?10:24
darkxstLaney, not entirely sure exactly, just a lot of features from geoclue1 were dropped and/or moved elsewhere10:30
Laneygeocoding is done by geocode-glib now10:31
Laneydon't know what else there is apart from positioning plugins10:31
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Sweetsharkoh, great: something broke mergedlibs between LibreOffice 4.3.1 and LibreOffice 4.3.2 ...12:01
Sweetsharkis it Friday already? please? because /me has a trollish idea ...12:03
Laneyhmm12:04
Laneydoes excluding things in a-l-m work?12:05
Sweetsharkheretic question: if mergedlibs and lto make a monolithic libreoffice _smaller_ than the base install of one broken in a bazillion marginally useful and fragile split packages ... shouldnt we do the first?12:05
Laneylooks like it runs locate but doesn't filter this by the zg blacklist12:28
Laneyprobably should12:28
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seb128hum, seems like I timeouted?13:04
seb128Laney, did you see the update on https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu/trusty/lmms/lmms_1.0.0+stable_uploaded/+merge/235576 ?13:04
seb128ups13:04
seb128Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake/+bug/1357270 I mean13:05
ubot5Launchpad bug 1357270 in cmake (Ubuntu) "Merge cmake 2.8.12.2-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]13:05
seb128(sorry, stupid copy buffer not always working as it should)13:05
pittiseb128: oh, that's not just me?13:09
seb128pitti, hey, what, timeout?13:09
pittisometimes I double-click something in firefox or elsewhere, paste it into IRC, and get something entirely different and unexpected13:09
pittiwhich looks odd13:09
seb128oh, that13:09
seb128yeah, that happens often with firefox to me, nothing new :/13:09
davmor2pitti: ask popey about browsers I think he wants them all to burn with fire13:11
pittiheh13:11
Laneyseb128: ta, i'll look13:19
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desrtmeeting?14:40
Laneyin 50 minutes!14:41
desrtso confusing14:41
willcookedesrt, Google Calendar is your friend ;)15:23
desrtlies15:23
Laneyprotip set the event to be in Reykjavik15:23
desrtit's always confused about my timezone :)15:23
Laneyand at the UTC time15:23
Laneysince they are in GMT+0 and don't have daylight savings15:23
willcookeHandy!15:24
Laneyso gcal converts it to your timezone and it's always right15:24
Laneywinning15:24
willcookeI don't think they actually have daylight, so the might be why they don't have daylight savings ;)15:24
desrtLaney: i think you have that slightly wrong15:24
ogra_so this was the second day where i could not unlock my trusty desktop (no input field in the screensaver)15:24
ogra_do we have a bug open for that ?15:25
desrtLaney: rather, i think they are -1 but have permanent DST15:25
ogra_or does anyone know how i get it unlocked anyway from cmdline ?15:25
* ogra_ lost a lot of open work the last time 15:25
Laneythat seems a rather pointless correction15:26
ogra_Trevinho, ^^ i think you are the new go-to screensavr person ?15:26
Laneybut still, link please15:26
desrthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Time_in_Europe#Countries_not_using_summer_time_.2F_de-facto_.22permanent_summer_time.2215:27
desrt"Iceland observes UTC all year round despite being at longitudes (13°W-24°W) which would indicate UTC−1"15:27
LaneyI can't find any evidence of an Icelandic timezone existing15:28
desrtit does15:28
seb128ogra_, bug #131131615:28
desrtcheck /usr/share/zoneinfo/Iceland15:28
ubot5bug 1311316 in Unity 7.2 "After locking screen there is no input field to type password for unlock" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131131615:29
* ogra_ hugs seb128 15:29
desrtnote also that the last transition that occured in this timezone was in 1968, going _onto_ DST, in april15:29
seb128ogra_, the hugs go to Trevinho for that one ;-)15:29
seb128but thanks15:29
desrtsince then it has never come off of it again15:29
* ogra_ hugs Trevinho too15:29
Trevinho:)15:30
Trevinhoogra_: are yuou getting that in multi-monitor? Just to know?15:30
willcooke===  Weekly Meeting time ===15:30
willcookeLots of people out today:  Meeting roll call:  desrt didrocks Laney qengho seb128 Sweetshark tkamppeter15:30
ogra_Trevinho, triple monitor nvidia setup15:30
willcookeanyone missing?15:30
didrockswaow, small crew!15:30
seb128willcooke, hey15:30
seb128willcooke, is larsu out? he said he might be or not, depending on his back15:31
* willcooke is listening to a conf call at the same time.15:31
willcookeI might be a bit all over the place15:31
* seb128 as well15:31
* didrocks same15:31
desrtsome meeting!15:31
willcookelarsu, I've got your notes here if you're out?15:31
* desrt will be brief15:31
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willcookeshall we go in alphabetical order then, desrt want to kick us off?15:32
desrtwillcooke: sure.  did 3 glib releases, and a dconf release (since we're at release time in gnome)15:32
Trevinhoogra_: ok, you should get the fix soon then15:32
desrtstarting to look into work to land this cycle in glib -- kdbus reviewing, dusted off the desktop file index stuff15:32
desrtwas a short week last week, plus had some personal things to attend to, so that's all15:33
willcookethanks desrt15:33
willcookedidrocks, you're up15:33
didrocks* Review, tutor and help on community contributions (translations + patches). Bug management15:34
didrocks* Merge Eclipse ADT support and add the android tools to user's path for both Android Studio and Eclipse ADT15:34
didrocks* Added support for local framework in addition to system ones.15:34
didrocks* Consolidate the tests and test runner. Still no medium tests running on the infra due to firewall issues, but under fixing.15:34
didrocks* Package and then integrate nose-json to get json formatted test results15:34
didrocks* Merge requests support from Tinche to support redirection and more web protocoles + added some fixes on side-effects15:34
didrocks* Some fixes like --remove in help, added vanguards to ensure that mistyped framework name can't be mixed with default frameworks parameters…15:34
didrocks* Added a bunch of more tests for the new features and fixes (see the spikes when running trunk tests at https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/All/job/udtc-trusty-tests/)15:34
didrocks* Optimize Docker file to be way smaller (~ 500Mb instead of 2.5Gb, don't install whole desktop and refactor Dockerfile)15:34
didrocks* Prepare next blog post on testing (will be published tomorrow) and built with the community team the communication strategy around udtc for the next weeks15:34
didrocks* fcitx MIR: another pass, but still work needed from aron (see my last message)15:34
didrocks* kylin sso package NEW review15:34
didrocksEOF15:34
willcookeBusy week!!15:34
* Sweetshark listing to call and lurking here.15:34
didrockswillcooke: indeed, ready to slack now :p15:34
Laneydidrocks learns the art of verbose statuses15:34
Laneystill need work on the bullets though15:35
willcookeLaney - your turn15:35
Laney• Many FTBFS fixes from http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20140914-utopic.html15:35
Laney• GStreamer updates15:35
Laney• Some updates in Debian: glib glib-networking xdg-user-dirs d-conf gst-plugins-base0.10 evolution-ews folks15:35
Laney• Some syncs too: libsoup2.4 libassuan15:35
Laney• Bugfixes to lp:ubuntu-archive tools generate-freeze-block & edit-acl15:35
Laney• DMB meeting, run & maintain packageset script15:35
Laney∘ Going to look at making a kylin packageset generated from seeds15:35
Laney• FFe reviews and discussions15:35
Laney• Little uss review15:35
LaneyAAAAA (rushed status no time for a cool unicode symbol. sorry, unicode fans)15:35
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desrtLaney: >:|15:36
desrt∧ there you go15:36
willcookethx Laney.  qengho - you around?  If so, your turn...15:37
qenghoYay!15:37
Laneyalso tzdata looks like Iceland went from RMT (Reykjavik Mean Time it says) onto GMT, assuming I can read those15:37
* Laney runs15:37
qengho* nss update has Netflix in people's attention. I'm researching use of the priva15:38
qenghote library "widevine" to see if 1) Cr can use, and 2) we can distribute in partners repo.15:38
qengho* Android runtime & apps in Chromium?! Lots of chatter. I'm trying to decipher myths and actual future. Maybe we don't even want it.15:38
qengho* older bugs.15:38
qenghoEOF15:38
willcookeI think a lot of users will be interested to know how you get on with widevine & the android stuff15:38
willcookethanks qengho15:38
willcookeseb128, do yo' thang...15:39
seb128k15:39
seb128• had 3 days off15:39
seb128• synced some Debian updates (telepathy-logger, geoip-database, libsepol, telepathy-farstream, usbmuxd)15:39
seb128• updated some desktop components (evince, libisofs, libburn, gnome-calculator, poppler, shotwell)15:39
seb128• resolved some desktop translation issues15:39
seb128• backported gedit patch for label wrapping with new gtk15:39
seb128• helped testing and landing the unity-control-center/settings-daemon update for the gnome-desktop transition, including some pending bugfixes15:39
seb128• SRUed some desktop fixes15:39
seb128• ubuntu-system-settings for touch15:39
seb128∘ reviewed some of the pending changes15:40
seb128• some NEW reviews15:40
seb128• some sponsoring15:40
seb128• usual share of bugs triaging and desktop discussions15:40
seb128</week>15:40
willcookethanks a lot seb12815:40
seb128yw!15:40
willcookeSweetshark, how's LibreOffice going?15:40
Laneyoh yeah I SRUed webkit and glib too15:40
Laneyforgot about that15:40
Sweetshark- bump to 4.3.2~rc215:40
Sweetshark- found this broke with libmerged :/ => fixing15:40
Sweetshark- the usual upstream drama15:40
Sweetshark- three days off15:40
SweetsharkEOF15:40
willcooke:)15:40
willcooketkamppeter, are you in?15:41
willcookeguess not,  let me copy & paste the updates from other people....15:42
willcooke== Robert ==15:42
willcookeWorked on:15:42
willcooke- Released lightdm 1.10.2 and put into Ubuntu Desktop PPA for early testing15:42
willcooke- Released simple-scan 3.14.015:42
willcooke- FFE for u-s-d/u-c-c changes15:42
willcooke- Bug triage, fixing15:42
willcookeCurrently working on:15:42
willcooke- Preparing LightDM 1.10.2 SRU15:42
willcooke- Bug fixing for utopic release15:42
willcookeNot blocked on anything.15:42
* willcooke pushes the limit of the spambot15:43
willcooke== Aron ==15:43
willcookeReviewed and uploaded/synced:15:43
willcooke * youker-assistant15:43
willcooke * fcitx-qimpanel15:43
willcooke * ubuntu-kylin-docs15:43
willcooke * ibus-rime15:43
willcooke * ibus-hangul15:43
willcooke * ibus-pinyin15:43
willcooke * fcitx15:43
willcooke * ubuntukylin-wallpapers-utopic15:43
willcooke * ubuntukylin-default-settings15:43
willcooke * ubuntukylin-meta15:43
willcooke * ubuntukylin.utopic seeds15:43
willcookeMerged ubuntu kylin slideshows to ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu15:43
willcookeProgress on Fcitx MIR: feedback sent, will follow-up again15:43
willcooke== Lars ==15:43
willcooke- my last unitythemeiconprovider patch made some icons black on the15:43
willcookelatest image. Emergency-fix that with timp15:43
willcooke- unity8 tests broke with my s/StatusIcon/Icon patch. Took some time to15:43
willcookereproduce and I've yet to find the real cause for this. Might ask unity15:43
willcookedevs to help me out to not spend more time on this15:43
willcooke- continued working on tests for the /usr/share/pixmaps patch to uitk15:43
willcooke- been sick :/15:43
willcooke== Luke ==15:43
willcooke* Finished writing up ieration of accessibility related docs for using GNOME shell, found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility.15:43
willcooke* After a discussion with seb, prepared at-spi updates to 2.12 and uploaded them to the queue.15:44
willcooke* Started re-reading Section 508 related documentation to attempt to write up some information as to how compliant we are with the act.15:44
* willcooke thinks he got away with it15:44
Laneywhat's up with the fcitx mir?15:44
didrocksI did answer on the MIR, aron reanswered but there are some pieces missing and some releases missing15:44
didrocksand he's aware15:45
LaneyI mean what are people intending for Utopic?15:45
Laneyjust to get it in main?15:45
didrocksseeing how we are progressing on it, I would not be really found of that for Utopic, but I guess this question is for the release team once the MIR is approved15:45
Laneyyou can put things in main just by seeding them to supported15:46
Laneyanything else, probably not :-)15:46
didrockshum, the whole goal is to promote it as a build-dep for u-s-d & such15:46
didrocksI guess15:47
seb128didrocks, Laney: I would recommend delaying fctix support to next cycle15:47
Laneyyes15:47
seb128but I guess willcooke should check if it's ok with the oem team15:47
LaneyI see updates on the MIR all the time15:47
seb128since we told them we would land that for utopic15:47
didrocksseb128: I would agree, that shouldn't stop happyaron to continue on it anyway15:47
Laneyso I'm just wondering what people are expecting15:47
didrocksso that we are ready early next cycle15:47
seb128right15:47
didrocksthat will give time to fix the MINOR points as well15:47
didrockswhich have been all ignored :p15:47
LaneyI think I saw ypwong say it was okay anyway15:48
didrocksI tried to classify to help, not for them to be ignored :)15:48
Laneyanyways, → meeting15:48
willcookeseb128, I'll speak to Jon - but I think it will be fine.  My communication to them was to plan for it next cycle, so I don't think they are expecting it15:48
Laneyupgrade them at the start of next cycle to blockers :-)15:48
didrocksLaney: deal! \o/15:48
* FJKong care with fcitx15:50
willcookeMy week has been spring planning, managing the Chrome/Netflix stuff across departments, speaking to a few other printer people, and some other bits and pieces15:53
willcookewhere "bits and pieces" is internal Canonical work and not of interest to a public channel15:53
willcookeFJKong, you want to give us your weekly update?15:54
FJKong*Input method:Fix black area when disable compose, push patch already15:54
FJKong*help and answer question form community users about sogou inputmethod15:54
FJKong*wubi thing from NUDT, restult: remove from kylin ISO15:54
FJKong*prepare notebook, install 14.04 and 14.10, find there will be error when install 14.1015:54
FJKong*prepare material for visa15:54
FJKong*SFD party15:54
FJKong>>eof15:54
willcookeFJKong, I'm looking forward to hearing about the SFD party :)15:54
LaneyI want to go to parties for work!15:55
FJKongwillcooke: I think this SFD is very successful, a lot of people15:55
willcooke:D15:55
willcookeFJKong, great news!  Lets chat in our 1:1 meeting15:55
willcookeI think we can wrap there.15:56
willcooke=== Weekly meeting ends ===15:56
FJKongwillcooke: k15:56
desrtgood job, all!15:56
seb128thanks15:56
didrocksthanks15:56
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seb128time for some exercice, have a nice evening16:42
Laneyclimbing time, see you!17:03
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