[03:43] RAOF, do to intel drivers support FSAA? [03:44] robert_ancell: I'm pretty sure they do. [03:44] RAOF, all my EGL configs have EGL_SAMPLES=0 [03:44] robert_ancell: For example, glxinfo output - 0x093 24 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 . . 0 24 8 0 0 0 0 8 1 None [03:45] which column is samples? [03:45] (The last three columns are number of MSAA samples, ‘b’?, and Caveat [03:45] Mine are all zero. I guess i965 is too crap? [03:46] RAOF, also, is there an eglinfo tool? [03:46] es2_info [03:46] But that's much less comprehensive. [03:47] Hmm, it doesn't even show any configurations [03:53] Patches welcome :) [03:53] RAOF, there is a better elginfo tool in mesa-demos which is the equivalent of glxinfo but it's not installed [03:54] src/src/egl/opengl/eglinfo [03:54] robert_ancell: I've been thinking Mir could get its own FSAA support. No need for explicit driver support. The hard part is teaching our APIs the difference between physical and logical dimensions (I'm working on that) [03:55] robert_ancell: Huh, correct! [04:17] Good morning [04:47] robert_ancell: Actually for anything shell or desktop related, FSAA is almost certainly the wrong answer. FSAA is only required for scenes with lots of non-perpendicular angles (3D games). Other than that, you can achieve the same thing on a per-surface basis with standard texture filtering [04:48] duflu, yeah, this is for a 3D game [04:48] Okay then :) [04:48] Apparently Mali gives your 4xAA for free [04:49] robert_ancell: I hope in the near future, Mir will provide at least one shell which can anti-alias your game windows [05:40] morning [05:50] bonjour! [05:59] hey larsu, wie geht's? [06:00] didrocks: back is getting worse :( [06:00] otherwise good [06:00] you? [06:00] argh, you really hurt yourself :( [06:00] larsu: oh :/ what happend? [06:00] I'm good, I think I'll be able to run back today (still some pain in my legs, but mostly fine) [06:01] didrocks: good morning! you have pain as well? what happend, did you play football against each other ;) ? [06:02] mvo: hi! Not sure, it started hurting after we were in a ropes course on Sunday and got worse since then. I think it's some kind of blockage [06:02] it's hard to do almost anything :/ [06:02] mvo: ahah no! I'm unsure what happened. I'm used to walk a lot (I guess 16kms on Saturday, as usual), but this time, my legs didn't really support it and I had big pain parallelizing them since sunday [06:03] lol [06:03] didrocks, larsu: weeeh, get well! [06:04] for me, should be gone tomorrow morning. Larsu… seems more complicated :/ [06:04] mvo: thanks! /me tries ;) [06:04] didrocks: I think it should only be a couple of days. Hopefully. Get better as well! [06:05] thanks dude, you too :) [06:06] thanks [07:51] morning all [07:51] hey willcooke [07:58] good morning desktopers [08:04] yooooo [08:04] hey Laney, how are you? [08:07] hi seb128, doing alright, quiet evening last night [08:07] you? [08:08] same [08:09] climbing tonight though \o/ [08:09] I had this mark on my finger corresponding with some pain [08:09] and got extremely paranoid that I had knackered a tendon [08:09] but now it is obviously just a cut ... [08:10] not until after a lot of googling about tendon injury recovery [08:11] Laney: careful you'll get index doing that :p [08:11] how long did you stop due to that? [08:12] no time, i realised the next morning :p [08:12] * Laney fnars at czajkows1i [09:10] is anyone here interested by looking at updating empathy? [09:11] we are still on 3.8, upstream pointed out we should update, especially that new version 3.10/12 don't change ui to use headerbar or anything that wouldn't work for us [09:11] seb128, Does kenvandine have anything to do with Empathy? [09:12] willcooke, he sort of used to maintain it when he was in desktop team, not sure he has still/interest for it still [09:12] seb128, we have 3.12 pacakges on the ppa, probably just need to be rebased [09:12] I plan to ask him about the update if nobody steps up to pick it [09:12] darkxst, do you know if there is any reason it was not proposed for utopic? [09:18] seb128, it has a build-dep on geoclue-2.0 [09:18] which is in universe [09:19] the geoclue support is optional [09:19] I can't think of any other reason [09:21] darkxst, do you know if whoever did the update in the ppa could merge propose it for Ubuntu proper as well? [09:21] with a ffe [09:21] geoclue is currently enabled though since 3.8 uses the old geoclue which is in main [09:22] that might be for v but still would be nice to get in [09:22] seb128, that would be ricotz [09:23] ricotz, hey ;-) [09:23] I though he might end up like that [09:23] he->it [09:23] ricotz, would be nice if you proposed some of you work to be merged back in Ubuntu rather than targetting ppas only ;-) [09:24] seb128, looking at the changelog there are a few disable patches [09:24] - 23_idomessagedialog_for_voip_and_ft.patch, needs gtk+3 patch for [09:24] ubuntu_menu_item_factory symbols [09:24] 38_default_to_facebook_for_im.patch, [09:24] 42_shell_running.patch, [09:24] 47_git_activate_with_platform_data.patch, disabled, rewrite needed [09:25] hum k [09:26] still, proposing what you have in would be a start [09:26] I'm sure some build-depends got updated and patches refreshed [09:26] that would avoid redoing that work [09:33] ricotz, ^ can you take care of that? [09:33] there's probably some crufty stuff in those patches too [09:34] seb128, hey, there is/was no point in proposing anything since ubuntu doesnt ship the version of those gnome cycles or want to avoid the ui changes [09:35] sorry, but i guess i wont get to it, feel free to pick anything you like [09:37] ricotz, we don't want headerbars but empathy is not using those I think [09:37] ok [09:37] so back to the question [09:37] is anyone wanting to work on that update? ;-) [09:44] Noskcaj, ^ could you rebase the ppa packaging atleast? [09:46] darkxst, Define rebase [09:47] I'm still busy trying to make adt-run function [09:48] Noskcaj, just merge the ppa package over ubuntu branch [09:49] ok [09:49] Noskcaj, you are stuck on adt-run still? [09:49] It gets a qemu error when i run it on the binary [09:50] Noskcaj, darkxst: thanks [09:50] Noskcaj, for gnome-photos? you need to run it on the source [09:50] ok [09:50] adt-run --source=*.dsc [09:50] Noskcaj, you can use https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/1339352 to add your work/link the vcs [09:50] Launchpad bug 1339352 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Update to 3.12" [Wishlist,Triaged] [10:02] darkxst, So will this need a geoclue MIR? [10:03] it's not as simple as that [10:05] the new one doesn't support plugins IIRC, so won't work with ubuntu geoip [10:06] yeh geoclue-2.0 won't like ubuntu geoip at all ;) [10:07] darkxst, I'm meant to have had my PC off at 8, so g'night [10:08] Noskcaj, ok, bye [10:09] Maybe it could grow support if someone writes the patch [10:09] nominating yourself Laney? [10:10] Laney, not via plugins, the whole point of geoclue-2 was the simplify the crazy complicated backends [10:10] the code is 'someone' means 'someone else LALALA' [10:10] yes [10:10] I mean in tree [10:11] not sure how much code change that is, maybe we can revert to keep using geoclue1 [10:12] or maybe we can decide we don't care about the geoclue feature (not sure for what it's used, is that for mapping support but we build without champlain?) [10:13] probably true in the case of empathy [10:15] We're building webkit with geoclue 1 atm for this same reason though [10:15] it'd be nice to be able to move to the new series [10:19] Laney, but that only provides positioning, not all the other geo-ish features that geoclue 1 had [10:20] it still doesn't do that? [10:21] i know 2.0.0 wasn't at parity [10:21] it was never meant to [10:24] what's missing? [10:30] Laney, not entirely sure exactly, just a lot of features from geoclue1 were dropped and/or moved elsewhere [10:31] geocoding is done by geocode-glib now [10:31] don't know what else there is apart from positioning plugins === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:01] oh, great: something broke mergedlibs between LibreOffice 4.3.1 and LibreOffice 4.3.2 ... [12:03] is it Friday already? please? because /me has a trollish idea ... [12:04] hmm [12:05] does excluding things in a-l-m work? [12:05] heretic question: if mergedlibs and lto make a monolithic libreoffice _smaller_ than the base install of one broken in a bazillion marginally useful and fragile split packages ... shouldnt we do the first? [12:28] looks like it runs locate but doesn't filter this by the zg blacklist [12:28] probably should === gatox is now known as gatox_away === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:04] hum, seems like I timeouted? [13:04] Laney, did you see the update on https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu/trusty/lmms/lmms_1.0.0+stable_uploaded/+merge/235576 ? [13:04] ups [13:05] Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake/+bug/1357270 I mean [13:05] Launchpad bug 1357270 in cmake (Ubuntu) "Merge cmake 2.8.12.2-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [13:05] (sorry, stupid copy buffer not always working as it should) [13:09] seb128: oh, that's not just me? [13:09] pitti, hey, what, timeout? [13:09] sometimes I double-click something in firefox or elsewhere, paste it into IRC, and get something entirely different and unexpected [13:09] which looks odd [13:09] oh, that [13:09] yeah, that happens often with firefox to me, nothing new :/ [13:11] pitti: ask popey about browsers I think he wants them all to burn with fire [13:11] heh [13:19] seb128: ta, i'll look === gatox_away is now known as gatox [14:40] meeting? [14:41] in 50 minutes! [14:41] so confusing [15:23] desrt, Google Calendar is your friend ;) [15:23] lies [15:23] protip set the event to be in Reykjavik [15:23] it's always confused about my timezone :) [15:23] and at the UTC time [15:23] since they are in GMT+0 and don't have daylight savings [15:24] Handy! [15:24] so gcal converts it to your timezone and it's always right [15:24] winning [15:24] I don't think they actually have daylight, so the might be why they don't have daylight savings ;) [15:24] Laney: i think you have that slightly wrong [15:24] so this was the second day where i could not unlock my trusty desktop (no input field in the screensaver) [15:25] do we have a bug open for that ? [15:25] Laney: rather, i think they are -1 but have permanent DST [15:25] or does anyone know how i get it unlocked anyway from cmdline ? [15:25] * ogra_ lost a lot of open work the last time [15:26] that seems a rather pointless correction [15:26] Trevinho, ^^ i think you are the new go-to screensavr person ? [15:26] but still, link please [15:27] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Time_in_Europe#Countries_not_using_summer_time_.2F_de-facto_.22permanent_summer_time.22 [15:27] "Iceland observes UTC all year round despite being at longitudes (13°W-24°W) which would indicate UTC−1" [15:28] I can't find any evidence of an Icelandic timezone existing [15:28] it does [15:28] ogra_, bug #1311316 [15:28] check /usr/share/zoneinfo/Iceland [15:29] bug 1311316 in Unity 7.2 "After locking screen there is no input field to type password for unlock" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1311316 [15:29] * ogra_ hugs seb128 [15:29] note also that the last transition that occured in this timezone was in 1968, going _onto_ DST, in april [15:29] ogra_, the hugs go to Trevinho for that one ;-) [15:29] but thanks [15:29] since then it has never come off of it again [15:29] * ogra_ hugs Trevinho too [15:30] :) [15:30] ogra_: are yuou getting that in multi-monitor? Just to know? [15:30] === Weekly Meeting time === [15:30] Lots of people out today: Meeting roll call: desrt didrocks Laney qengho seb128 Sweetshark tkamppeter [15:30] Trevinho, triple monitor nvidia setup [15:30] anyone missing? [15:30] waow, small crew! [15:30] willcooke, hey [15:31] willcooke, is larsu out? he said he might be or not, depending on his back [15:31] * willcooke is listening to a conf call at the same time. [15:31] I might be a bit all over the place [15:31] * seb128 as well [15:31] * didrocks same [15:31] some meeting! [15:31] larsu, I've got your notes here if you're out? [15:31] * desrt will be brief === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [15:32] shall we go in alphabetical order then, desrt want to kick us off? [15:32] willcooke: sure. did 3 glib releases, and a dconf release (since we're at release time in gnome) [15:32] ogra_: ok, you should get the fix soon then [15:32] starting to look into work to land this cycle in glib -- kdbus reviewing, dusted off the desktop file index stuff [15:33] was a short week last week, plus had some personal things to attend to, so that's all [15:33] thanks desrt [15:33] didrocks, you're up [15:34] * Review, tutor and help on community contributions (translations + patches). Bug management [15:34] * Merge Eclipse ADT support and add the android tools to user's path for both Android Studio and Eclipse ADT [15:34] * Added support for local framework in addition to system ones. [15:34] * Consolidate the tests and test runner. Still no medium tests running on the infra due to firewall issues, but under fixing. [15:34] * Package and then integrate nose-json to get json formatted test results [15:34] * Merge requests support from Tinche to support redirection and more web protocoles + added some fixes on side-effects [15:34] * Some fixes like --remove in help, added vanguards to ensure that mistyped framework name can't be mixed with default frameworks parameters… [15:34] * Added a bunch of more tests for the new features and fixes (see the spikes when running trunk tests at https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/All/job/udtc-trusty-tests/) [15:34] * Optimize Docker file to be way smaller (~ 500Mb instead of 2.5Gb, don't install whole desktop and refactor Dockerfile) [15:34] * Prepare next blog post on testing (will be published tomorrow) and built with the community team the communication strategy around udtc for the next weeks [15:34] * fcitx MIR: another pass, but still work needed from aron (see my last message) [15:34] * kylin sso package NEW review [15:34] EOF [15:34] Busy week!! [15:34] * Sweetshark listing to call and lurking here. [15:34] willcooke: indeed, ready to slack now :p [15:34] didrocks learns the art of verbose statuses [15:35] still need work on the bullets though [15:35] Laney - your turn [15:35] • Many FTBFS fixes from http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20140914-utopic.html [15:35] • GStreamer updates [15:35] • Some updates in Debian: glib glib-networking xdg-user-dirs d-conf gst-plugins-base0.10 evolution-ews folks [15:35] • Some syncs too: libsoup2.4 libassuan [15:35] • Bugfixes to lp:ubuntu-archive tools generate-freeze-block & edit-acl [15:35] • DMB meeting, run & maintain packageset script [15:35] ∘ Going to look at making a kylin packageset generated from seeds [15:35] • FFe reviews and discussions [15:35] • Little uss review [15:35] AAAAA (rushed status no time for a cool unicode symbol. sorry, unicode fans) === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [15:36] Laney: >:| [15:36] ∧ there you go [15:37] thx Laney. qengho - you around? If so, your turn... [15:37] Yay! [15:37] also tzdata looks like Iceland went from RMT (Reykjavik Mean Time it says) onto GMT, assuming I can read those [15:37] * Laney runs [15:38] * nss update has Netflix in people's attention. I'm researching use of the priva [15:38] te library "widevine" to see if 1) Cr can use, and 2) we can distribute in partners repo. [15:38] * Android runtime & apps in Chromium?! Lots of chatter. I'm trying to decipher myths and actual future. Maybe we don't even want it. [15:38] * older bugs. [15:38] EOF [15:38] I think a lot of users will be interested to know how you get on with widevine & the android stuff [15:38] thanks qengho [15:39] seb128, do yo' thang... [15:39] k [15:39] • had 3 days off [15:39] • synced some Debian updates (telepathy-logger, geoip-database, libsepol, telepathy-farstream, usbmuxd) [15:39] • updated some desktop components (evince, libisofs, libburn, gnome-calculator, poppler, shotwell) [15:39] • resolved some desktop translation issues [15:39] • backported gedit patch for label wrapping with new gtk [15:39] • helped testing and landing the unity-control-center/settings-daemon update for the gnome-desktop transition, including some pending bugfixes [15:39] • SRUed some desktop fixes [15:39] • ubuntu-system-settings for touch [15:40] ∘ reviewed some of the pending changes [15:40] • some NEW reviews [15:40] • some sponsoring [15:40] • usual share of bugs triaging and desktop discussions [15:40] [15:40] thanks a lot seb128 [15:40] yw! [15:40] Sweetshark, how's LibreOffice going? [15:40] oh yeah I SRUed webkit and glib too [15:40] forgot about that [15:40] - bump to 4.3.2~rc2 [15:40] - found this broke with libmerged :/ => fixing [15:40] - the usual upstream drama [15:40] - three days off [15:40] EOF [15:40] :) [15:41] tkamppeter, are you in? [15:42] guess not, let me copy & paste the updates from other people.... [15:42] == Robert == [15:42] Worked on: [15:42] - Released lightdm 1.10.2 and put into Ubuntu Desktop PPA for early testing [15:42] - Released simple-scan 3.14.0 [15:42] - FFE for u-s-d/u-c-c changes [15:42] - Bug triage, fixing [15:42] Currently working on: [15:42] - Preparing LightDM 1.10.2 SRU [15:42] - Bug fixing for utopic release [15:42] Not blocked on anything. [15:43] * willcooke pushes the limit of the spambot [15:43] == Aron == [15:43] Reviewed and uploaded/synced: [15:43] * youker-assistant [15:43] * fcitx-qimpanel [15:43] * ubuntu-kylin-docs [15:43] * ibus-rime [15:43] * ibus-hangul [15:43] * ibus-pinyin [15:43] * fcitx [15:43] * ubuntukylin-wallpapers-utopic [15:43] * ubuntukylin-default-settings [15:43] * ubuntukylin-meta [15:43] * ubuntukylin.utopic seeds [15:43] Merged ubuntu kylin slideshows to ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [15:43] Progress on Fcitx MIR: feedback sent, will follow-up again [15:43] == Lars == [15:43] - my last unitythemeiconprovider patch made some icons black on the [15:43] latest image. Emergency-fix that with timp [15:43] - unity8 tests broke with my s/StatusIcon/Icon patch. Took some time to [15:43] reproduce and I've yet to find the real cause for this. Might ask unity [15:43] devs to help me out to not spend more time on this [15:43] - continued working on tests for the /usr/share/pixmaps patch to uitk [15:43] - been sick :/ [15:43] == Luke == [15:43] * Finished writing up ieration of accessibility related docs for using GNOME shell, found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility. [15:44] * After a discussion with seb, prepared at-spi updates to 2.12 and uploaded them to the queue. [15:44] * Started re-reading Section 508 related documentation to attempt to write up some information as to how compliant we are with the act. [15:44] * willcooke thinks he got away with it [15:44] what's up with the fcitx mir? [15:44] I did answer on the MIR, aron reanswered but there are some pieces missing and some releases missing [15:45] and he's aware [15:45] I mean what are people intending for Utopic? [15:45] just to get it in main? [15:45] seeing how we are progressing on it, I would not be really found of that for Utopic, but I guess this question is for the release team once the MIR is approved [15:46] you can put things in main just by seeding them to supported [15:46] anything else, probably not :-) [15:46] hum, the whole goal is to promote it as a build-dep for u-s-d & such [15:47] I guess [15:47] didrocks, Laney: I would recommend delaying fctix support to next cycle [15:47] yes [15:47] but I guess willcooke should check if it's ok with the oem team [15:47] I see updates on the MIR all the time [15:47] since we told them we would land that for utopic [15:47] seb128: I would agree, that shouldn't stop happyaron to continue on it anyway [15:47] so I'm just wondering what people are expecting [15:47] so that we are ready early next cycle [15:47] right [15:47] that will give time to fix the MINOR points as well [15:47] which have been all ignored :p [15:48] I think I saw ypwong say it was okay anyway [15:48] I tried to classify to help, not for them to be ignored :) [15:48] anyways, → meeting [15:48] seb128, I'll speak to Jon - but I think it will be fine. My communication to them was to plan for it next cycle, so I don't think they are expecting it [15:48] upgrade them at the start of next cycle to blockers :-) [15:48] Laney: deal! \o/ [15:50] * FJKong care with fcitx [15:53] My week has been spring planning, managing the Chrome/Netflix stuff across departments, speaking to a few other printer people, and some other bits and pieces [15:53] where "bits and pieces" is internal Canonical work and not of interest to a public channel [15:54] FJKong, you want to give us your weekly update? [15:54] *Input method:Fix black area when disable compose, push patch already [15:54] *help and answer question form community users about sogou inputmethod [15:54] *wubi thing from NUDT, restult: remove from kylin ISO [15:54] *prepare notebook, install 14.04 and 14.10, find there will be error when install 14.10 [15:54] *prepare material for visa [15:54] *SFD party [15:54] >>eof [15:54] FJKong, I'm looking forward to hearing about the SFD party :) [15:55] I want to go to parties for work! [15:55] willcooke: I think this SFD is very successful, a lot of people [15:55] :D [15:55] FJKong, great news! Lets chat in our 1:1 meeting [15:56] I think we can wrap there. [15:56] === Weekly meeting ends === [15:56] willcooke: k [15:56] good job, all! [15:56] thanks [15:56] thanks === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox [16:42] time for some exercice, have a nice evening [17:03] climbing time, see you! === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [19:07] * willcooke -> EOD - tata === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away