[01:35] <NotEspy> Gnome 3.14.0 came out.. today, right?
[06:58] <fancyfetus> hey guys
[07:00] <fancyfetus> when I was first setting up linux, I asked the #ubuntu guys if there was benefit to installing ubuntu gnome instead as I was planning to exclusively use gnome.
[07:00] <fancyfetus> They argued with me that ubuntu gnome wasn't a thing at all and that it was JUST ubuntu + gnome
[07:01] <fancyfetus> now that I know otherwise, I'm looking at switching to ubuntu-gnome
[07:02] <fancyfetus> I do have a couple of questions, however.
[07:02] <fancyfetus> Is there a way for me to "snapshot" my current set up on an external harddrive
[07:03] <fancyfetus> and restore that setup if I mess everything up?
[07:10] <mgedmin> you're talking about backups
[07:18] <fancyfetus> mgedmin, just in case I fail in installing ubuntu-gnome
[07:18] <mgedmin> backups are always a good idea -- your hard disk might fail at any moment
[07:19] <fancyfetus> yes sir! Thinking of using clonezilla to back it ALL up
[07:19] <mgedmin> if you've already got an ubuntu install, I don't think there's much point in reinstalling ubuntu-gnome
[07:19] <fancyfetus> you think so?
[07:19] <mgedmin> you can migrate from one to the other by apt-get installing metapackages
[07:19] <mgedmin> (it's what I did a few years back)
[07:19] <mgedmin> otoh reinstalling is always a nice way to get rid of all the accumulated cruft
[07:19] <mgedmin> (things like packages you've installed and then never used etc)
[07:20] <mgedmin> I always reinstall when I buy a new hard disk
[07:20] <fancyfetus> I'm on a pretty fresh install riht now
[07:20] <fancyfetus> right*
[07:20] <fancyfetus> and i'm very happy with my setup
[07:20] <mgedmin> it's also an opportunity to test if your backups are complete :)
[07:20] <fancyfetus> Mainly looking for a way to update to the latest version of gnome 3.12
[07:20] <fancyfetus> can I just "do that"
[07:20] <mgedmin> there's a ppa that contains gnome 3.12
[07:21] <fancyfetus> Is there a "stable" ppa?
[07:22] <fancyfetus> i've found a lot of gnome 3 ppas
[07:24] <mgedmin> I've been running 14.04 + gnome3 ppa + gnome3-staging ppa for a while now
[07:24] <mgedmin> without too many stability problems
[07:24] <fancyfetus> cool!
[07:24] <fancyfetus> gnome3-staging and gnome3 are the ppas I go with, then!
[07:24] <mgedmin> every time I enable some gnome-shell extensions I end up regretting it (freezes etc)
[07:24] <mgedmin> but when I disable them things go back to stable
[07:25] <fancyfetus> I have a bunch installed
[07:25] <fancyfetus> openweather and backslide
[07:26] <fancyfetus> not as much as I thought
[07:39] <fancyfetus> mgedmin, installing 3.12 now :D
[07:40] <fancyfetus> Thanks for your help, I'll let you know how it goes
[07:50] <l3on> darkxst, libgweather' branches are ready for review: bug 1370464 (trusty and utopic tested, everything works fine)
[08:02] <fancyfetus> hey guys
[08:02] <fancyfetus> mgedmin, I just installed 3.12
[08:03] <fancyfetus> and I'm facing some problems
[08:03] <fancyfetus> I don't have a settings app anymore
[08:03] <fancyfetus> ctrl+shift+t does not open my terminal
[08:03] <fancyfetus> Is there a way to fix these? If not, is there a way to revert back to 3.10?
[08:04] <mgedmin> sure
[08:04] <mgedmin> (1) what is 'a settings app'?
[08:05] <fancyfetus> It's just the systems settings that comes with ubuntu
[08:05] <mgedmin> ok, can you open gnome-control-center from a terminal?
[08:05] <fancyfetus> no
[08:05] <fancyfetus> should I install it?
[08:07] <mgedmin> it should be pulled in by ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[08:07] <mgedmin> do you have that installed?
[08:07] <fancyfetus> nope
[08:07] <mgedmin> install it
[08:07] <mgedmin> as for (2), I believe ctrl-shift-t is no longer a hardcoded shortcut, but you can define a custom shortcut in the control center (once you've got it installed) and have it launch gnome-terminal
[08:08] <fancyfetus> uh oh
[08:08] <mgedmin> wait, actually no
[08:08] <fancyfetus> The following packages have unmet dependencies:  ubuntu-gnome-desktop : Depends: gnome-control-center but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[08:08] <mgedmin> I don't have a custom shortcut
[08:08] <mgedmin> and ctrl+shift+t works for me
[08:08] <mgedmin> fancyfetus, can you pastebin the entire apt-get output?
[08:08] <mgedmin> to http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[08:09] <fancyfetus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8409112/
[08:09] <mgedmin> ok, I checked my sysadmin diary
[08:10] <mgedmin> the packages in the gnome-staging ppa conflict with gnome-session-fallback
[08:10] <mgedmin> you should be able to apt-get remove gnome-session-fallback and then apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[08:10] <mgedmin> at least it worked for me
[08:11] <mgedmin> I'd've warned you if I hadn't forgotten about this speedbump :/
[08:11] <fancyfetus> haha, it's alright, no hard feelings
[08:12] <fancyfetus> gnome-session-fallback is not installed.
[08:13] <mgedmin> ain't it fun?
[08:13] <mgedmin> here's my diary entry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8409134/
[08:14] <fancyfetus> the woes of the linux lyfe.
[08:14] <mgedmin> there's a reason ubuntu gnome 14.04 comes with gnome 3.10, and the staging ppa is labeled "experimental" :(
[08:14] <mgedmin> but don't worry, this is fixable
[08:14] <mgedmin> try removing gnome-session-flashback
[08:15] <fancyfetus> lmao
[08:15] <fancyfetus> flashback was not installed either
[08:16] <mgedmin> if that's not sufficient, remove unity-settings-daemon and unity-control-center
[08:16] <mgedmin> the goal is to have ubuntu-gnome-desktop installed
[08:17] <mgedmin> you may want to try aptitude install ubuntu-gnome-desktop -- it tries hard to resolve conflicts and offers you multiple solutions
[08:17] <fancyfetus> uninstalling gnome control center now
[08:17] <mgedmin> I don't like aptitude because sometimes the solutions are "hey let's remove some very important packages, you won't miss them"
[08:17] <mgedmin> and sometimes the solutions are so complicated I don't understand them :)
[08:17] <mgedmin> anyway don't remove any important-sounding packages before asking here
[08:17] <mgedmin> (some important-sounding packages aren't actually important)
[08:18] <mgedmin> "uninstalling gnome control center now" confuses me -- you said you didn't have gnome-control-center installed
[08:18] <mgedmin> did you mean "uninstalling unity-control-center"?
[08:18] <fancyfetus> yes yes
[08:18] <fancyfetus> my bad
[08:18] <fancyfetus> unity control center
[08:18] <mgedmin> ok
[08:19] <fancyfetus> it auto installed gnome control center
[08:19] <mgedmin> cool
[08:19] <mgedmin> perhaps you noticed: did it also upgrade gnome-settings-daemon?
[08:19] <fancyfetus> yes
[08:20] <mgedmin> because IIRC it's gnome-settings-daemon that handles ctrl+shift+t -> launch terminal; and this got removed at some point (for 3.8?) and then got added back due to popular outcry, or something like that
[08:20] <fancyfetus> hmmm
[08:20] <mgedmin> anyway it's likely that if you log out and log back in (to get the new versions of all the gnome components running) ctrl+shift+t should start working again
[08:20] <fancyfetus> I had it in 3.10
[08:21] <mgedmin> it's complicated and I don't remember the details -- I remember having to add a custom shortcut at some point, but I don't have it now
[08:21] <fancyfetus> alright see you in a sec
[08:21] <mgedmin> ubuntu might've patched it back
[08:21] <mgedmin> the handling might've gotten moved from gnome-settings-daemon to some other piece
[08:22] <fancyfetus_> worked like a charm!
[08:22] <fancyfetus_> Thanks!
[08:22] <fancyfetus_> and all of my extensions are still working
[08:23] <mgedmin> awesome
[08:34] <darkxst> ctl+alt+T does work in the ubuntu packages
[08:35] <darkxst> both archive and -staging ppa should have the same patch
[08:37] <darkxst> l3on, you need to make the merges against the ~ubuntu-desktop branches
[08:38] <darkxst> utopic: lp:~ubuntu-desktop/libgweather/ubuntu
[08:39] <darkxst> not sure about trusty, maybe using the ubuntu branch is ok for that one
[08:40] <l3on> darkxst, why not default lp:ubuntu/libgweather ?
[08:40] <darkxst> l3on, in general you can check Vcs-Bzr tag in control file to find the packaging branch for merges
[08:40] <darkxst> l3on, that is not the packaging branch
[08:40] <l3on> Oh .. I see (maybe) because that lib is maintain in Ubuntu (and not merged from debian)
[08:41] <darkxst> l3on, all packages maintained by ubuntu-desktop team use packaging branches on bzr
[08:42] <darkxst> lp:ubuntu/libgweather is just autogenerated after an upload to the archive (i.e. its not possible to manually merge changes into that without breaking things)
[08:43] <darkxst> some sponsors will merge it anyway, but most will tell you to make the merge against packaging branch
[08:44] <darkxst> and I don't yet have upload rights for ubuntu-desktop, should probably get onto applying for that soon though.
[08:45] <l3on> darkxst, bzr push lp:~l3on/libgweather/fix-1370464 is it right ?
[08:45] <l3on> to propose lp-merge
[08:46] <darkxst> l3on, you will need to rebase on the ~u-desktop branch first
[08:46] <l3on> darkxst, already done
[08:46] <darkxst> they don't have any any upstream files
[08:46] <darkxst> ok, then just push
[08:46] <darkxst> and choose the ~u-d branch when propose merge
[08:47] <darkxst> also we are frozen this week, so might take a week or so for someone to upload it
[08:48] <l3on> darkxst, https://code.launchpad.net/~l3on/libgweather/fix-1370464/+merge/235574
[08:48] <fancyfetus_> darkxst, do you work on gnome?
[08:48] <fancyfetus_> or ubuntu-gnome or something
[09:06] <darkxst> l3on, looks mostly fine, but normally cherry-picked patches would be name with git_ prefix
[09:07] <darkxst> something like git_update_yr.no_API.patch would be fine
[09:07] <l3on> ok, fixing.
[09:13] <l3on> darkxst, done
[09:15] <darkxst> l3on, without actually testing, that looks fine to me
[09:15] <l3on> I tested both utopic and trusty with gnome-weather and it works again.
[12:39] <LinDol> hi all
[13:24] <monae> i used this sudo pm suspend command
[13:25] <monae> the computer went to sleep but after that when i pressed the power button i was not able to come back to ubuntu ,it is showing black screen
[13:33] <keseve> @sgo11
[13:33] <meetingology> keseve: Error: "sgo11" is not a valid command.
[14:16] <fancyfetus> hey guys, I'm running gnome 3.12 on ubuntu 14.04
[14:16] <fancyfetus> Where can I find the gnome software center?
[14:17] <fancyfetus> I don't think I have it installed.
[18:42] <Mrnumber3isme> Hello room
[18:45] <Mrnumber3isme> After installing, I get error Warning! /dev/disk/by-uuidXXXXX does not exist! then I get dropped into busybox. I've edited fstab, I've added nomodeset to boot params. I've tried installing multiple versions. always the same issue. any thoughts?
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