| === infinity changed the topic of #ubuntu-release to: Released: Trusty Final, Utopic Alpha 2 | Archive: Final Beta Freeze | Utopic Release Coordination. Please don't upload things during freezes where you shouldn't, or be prepared to apologise to the release team | We accept payment in cash, check or beer | melior malum quod cognoscis | ||
| knome | alpha? | 00:38 |
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| knome | isn't beta 1 technically out :) | 00:38 |
| infinity | Oh, I didn't change that bit. :P | 00:39 |
| === infinity changed the topic of #ubuntu-release to: Released: Trusty Final, Utopic Beta 1 | Archive: Final Beta Freeze | Utopic Release Coordination. Please don't upload things during freezes where you shouldn't, or be prepared to apologise to the release team | We accept payment in cash, check or beer | melior malum quod cognoscis | ||
| knome | just caught my eye | 00:40 |
| knome | is something specific keeping the ISOs from building? | 00:40 |
| infinity | ? | 00:41 |
| knome | beta 2 images haven't appeared in the testing tracker, but maybe that's another problem | 00:41 |
| infinity | Oh, we literally *just* froze for Beta2/FinalBeta, whatever you want to call it. | 00:42 |
| infinity | So, nothing in the tracker yet. | 00:42 |
| knome | right, that explains it then :) | 00:42 |
| knome | any idea of an ETA for first images? | 00:42 |
| infinity | Once we get the tracker set up, I'll de-cron the world, and then probably kick off a build of everything before I go to bed. | 00:43 |
| knome | oki, cheers, and thanks for all the hard work again | 00:45 |
| ScottK | infinity: While you were in there unmoderating stuff for u-d-a, you didn't happen to see my dmb mail from earlier today, did you? | 00:54 |
| infinity | ScottK: I did, and I let it through at the same time. | 00:54 |
| ScottK | OK. Thanks. | 00:54 |
| ScottK | There it is. | 00:55 |
| ScottK | ta | 00:55 |
| infinity | ScottK: What made you so sure I self-moderated? :P | 00:56 |
| ScottK | How many years have I known you? | 00:56 |
| infinity | Like, more than two. | 00:56 |
| ScottK | Plenty to have guessed that. | 00:56 |
| Mirv | Laney: ^ that compiz, no US timezone trainguards caught the ffe approval | 05:16 |
| mlankhorst | infinity: but I did test kwin | 06:25 |
| mlankhorst | Riddell: I did test kwin, not sure if 4 or 5, just the default of kubuntu desktop in utopic | 06:26 |
| mlankhorst | never heard of kwin5, to be honest.. | 06:27 |
| infinity | mlankhorst: I don't doubt that you tested it, though seemingly not as thoroughly as Riddell did. | 06:32 |
| elfy | infinity: do you know when beta images are likely to start showing on the tracker? and good day to you :) | 06:33 |
| infinity | I'm going to hit the button to mass build in ~20m. | 06:38 |
| infinity | elfy: So, shortly after that, locking order and luck depending. | 06:38 |
| elfy | ok - thanks infinity :) | 06:39 |
| mlankhorst | I'm going to need information from Riddell then since it doesn't match my experience | 07:04 |
| mlankhorst | Riddell: what graphics card do you have? | 07:04 |
| mlankhorst | and 32-bits or 64-bits? | 07:32 |
| mlankhorst | Riddell: and as far as I can tell kwin5 is not part of ubuntu | 07:58 |
| Riddell | mlankhorst: I've intel on amd64 running plasma 5 from ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next | 08:07 |
| Riddell | can't say I can claim to have tested it thoroughly, only that I've tested it and noticed some problems that I didn't notice before, but then maybe I wasn't looking. the brekage after the apt dist-upgrade is probably due to that upgrade to mesa I expect | 08:08 |
| mlankhorst | is that going in 14.10? | 08:08 |
| infinity | Err, yeah, if this is the Qt5 kwin that's going into 15.04, that really shouldn't block 14.10 stuff... | 08:09 |
| mlankhorst | fwiw i tested kwin4 again and it worked on radeon/nouveau/intel (ivb) | 08:09 |
| RAOF | FWIW I've been running 10.3 on my haswell, and it's gone swimmingly. | 08:13 |
| infinity | Riddell: So, while I understand the concern that it *might* break things, I'd like to revisit this, testing agaisnt packages that are actually in utopic. | 08:14 |
| infinity | Riddell: Nobody's PPA gets to tell the archive what it can and can't include. | 08:14 |
| Riddell | right, I'd like to testing it as I test beta 2 images | 08:16 |
| Riddell | right, I'd like to test it as I test beta 2 images | 08:16 |
| Riddell | but that'll still be intel only | 08:16 |
| infinity | Riddell: mlankhorst claims to have tested amd/nvidia/intel, but if you can give him hints about specific things to do/test other than boot, log in, look around for obvious icky stuff, I'm sure he'd be all ears. | 08:17 |
| Riddell | mlankhorst: what did you do for your tests? | 08:17 |
| mlankhorst | mostly on 64-bits, test LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 and see if there is anything obviously wrong, test normal radeon/intel/nouveau, even tested the resizing after your comment, nothing failed | 08:18 |
| mlankhorst | though 32-bits a little too | 08:18 |
| mlankhorst | fwiw I tend to run mesa snapshots on precise with kwin 4.10.97 currently | 08:23 |
| mlankhorst | didn't notice any issues with kwin lately | 08:23 |
| Riddell | I've made a testing matrix, will try to fill it in during beta 2 tests today and tomorrow https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KchGJ6d50Knx9hGS7MvSRKhId-yBMOpPpUoihKHyJm0/edit?usp=sharing | 08:25 |
| mlankhorst | Riddell: now add mir / without mir and the various cards and watch your testing matrix explode ;-) | 08:34 |
| Riddell | fortunately I care not for mir, but I ought to for wayland (but well, I'll leave that for another year) | 08:35 |
| mlankhorst | can you test with what's in the archive first please? | 08:38 |
| Riddell | sure | 08:41 |
| mlankhorst | because all those things work for me on nouveau/amd64 | 08:41 |
| Riddell | great | 08:41 |
| Riddell | queuebot: spammer | 08:42 |
| infinity | Riddell: Anyhow, I don't want to get in the middle of this any more than I already have, but the reason this is (potentially) landing as late as it is is that I gave mlankhorst a preliminary ACK weeks ago, under the assumption that due diligence was shown, and he went off to test and report back. | 08:46 |
| infinity | Riddell: If we can reasonably prove that it's not harmful to utopic, there are obvious wins (hardware support, and dropping llvm-3.4 on the floor), so I'd like to at least try and see if we can make it happen. | 08:46 |
| * Riddell wonders why okteta is in ubuntu-desktop | 08:50 | |
| mlankhorst | why would one not want to have a kde hex editor in ubuntu? ;-) | 08:55 |
| mlankhorst | Riddell: !intel works correctly it seems | 09:13 |
| mlankhorst | I tested those things with radeon and nouveau against 10.3 with i386 and amd64, didn't test kwin5 yet though | 09:22 |
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| cjwatson | man-db sync is for bug 1370059; also bug 1372673 along the way. | 09:39 |
| ubot2 | bug 1370059 in man-db (Ubuntu) "FFe: man-db 2.7.0" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1370059 | 09:39 |
| ubot2 | bug 1372673 in man-db (Ubuntu Trusty) "excessive debconf use when triggered" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1372673 | 09:39 |
| mlankhorst | Riddell: hey how do I start kde5? | 09:44 |
| Riddell | install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop and log in to Plasma 5 session | 09:46 |
| mlankhorst | oh I did that, but also seems to need plasma-desktop | 09:48 |
| mlankhorst | dolphin draws updates just fine | 09:50 |
| Riddell | yeah that was a curious one off bug I had which I can't recreate now | 09:50 |
| mlankhorst | the konsole thing seems to be a focus bug, clicking on the other window and back works fine | 09:52 |
| mlankhorst | not really a mesa bug though | 09:53 |
| mlankhorst | if you click in a certain way it seems that konsole believes it lost focus | 09:54 |
| mlankhorst | but switching to another window and back works | 09:55 |
| Riddell | I expect it's a general kwin bug, I just need to check if it happens in mesa 10.2 to confirm it's not mesa's fault | 09:55 |
| mlankhorst | they're focus bugs, it's not like it stops rendering, it just stops believing it has focus | 09:57 |
| mlankhorst | selecting a line in konsole works | 09:57 |
| mlankhorst | same bug with mesa 10.2.6 here.. | 10:06 |
| Riddell | figures, I'm downloading beta 2 candidates now to test | 10:07 |
| infinity | cjwatson: You should tell your man-db upstream to get on board with our release cadence. | 10:16 |
| cjwatson | Yeah, that guy sucks | 10:16 |
| infinity | He also talks funny. | 10:16 |
| infinity | cjwatson: So, feel free to let that man-db into proposed, looks sane. We'll unblock it for the next respin, assuming the current crop isn't found to be completely perfect. :P | 10:21 |
| Riddell | every iso is beautiful in its own special way | 10:21 |
| infinity | *snort* | 10:22 |
| infinity | I guess I should try to sleep. | 10:32 |
| infinity | Catch you all "tomorrow". | 10:32 |
| cjwatson | infinity: done, thanks | 10:33 |
| pitti | ^ there are no effective upstream changes betwen 13.92 and 14.0 (that's rc2 vs. final, often the case) | 12:40 |
| pitti | just some small packaging noise (bumping standards-version), plus getting back in sync | 12:40 |
| pitti | so that's almost zero riskk | 12:40 |
| pitti | ^ already in production | 12:43 |
| pitti | (i. e. autopkgtest CI machines) | 12:43 |
| pitti | cjwatson, infinity, ScottK, stgraber: ^ notes to whoever looks at unapproved these days/hours | 12:44 |
| oSoMoN | hey, I’ve got webbrowser-app sitting in the unapproved queue, I’d be glad if someone could ack it (it implements security certificates visual feedback, and has been thoroughly tested) | 13:10 |
| ogra_ | oSoMoN, do you have a freeze exception ? | 13:11 |
| ogra_ | (we're in final beta freeze) | 13:11 |
| oSoMoN | ogra_, no, I don’t | 13:12 |
| ogra_ | not sure, but you might need one | 13:12 |
| cyphermox | could someone please review wpa; it's a small but rather important/useful bug fix | 13:17 |
| Laney | pitti: Don't think there's need to ping per se, people poll the queue | 13:20 |
| pitti | Laney: ah, I didn't mean "do it now", but wanted to leave some information for people who do look at the queue | 13:21 |
| pitti | as these are syncs and thus rather inconvenient to review | 13:21 |
| Laney | fair enough | 13:21 |
| Laney | at least 'queue fetch' works for those these days | 13:21 |
| pitti | I'm fine with not doing that though, not sure how the unapproved reviews are done today | 13:21 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: ^- could you review that fairly quickly so that we can unblock the phone? | 15:11 |
| slangasek | looking | 15:13 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: seems like this problem would've been caught at image build time if live-build/ubuntu-touch/hooks/48-setup-env.chroot were set -e; I wonder if an audit here is warranted | 15:19 |
| slangasek | (and accepted) | 15:19 |
| ogra_ | slangasek, oh, pretty please | 15:19 |
| cjwatson | yeah, possibly | 15:20 |
| slangasek | ogra_: well, I can just add 'set -e' to all of them, and then when they start failing you know they were buggy :) | 15:20 |
| ogra_ | probably not right now ... but i would also like to clean up /etc/environment | 15:20 |
| ogra_ | (but that needs some real world testing too) | 15:20 |
| slangasek | yeah, being reminded of that file again is going to require a liberal application of ethanol to reverse | 15:21 |
| ogra_ | haha | 15:22 |
| ogra_ | i guess 80% of it can just be wiped | 15:22 |
| slangasek | SHLVL=1 - yes please :P | 15:22 |
| ogra_ | but i also think that will need a day of actual heavy testing each single removal | 15:22 |
| * slangasek nods | 15:22 | |
| ogra_ | which eats time nobody has atm | 15:23 |
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| rbasak | ^^ missing bug reference bug 1371805. Sorry, noticed just after uploading. | 15:50 |
| ubot2 | bug 1371805 in python-django-openstack-auth (Ubuntu) "Please merge python-django-openstack-auth 1.1.6-3 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1371805 | 15:50 |
| zul | can someone reject nova-compute-flex please, i need to upload the changelog | 16:51 |
| zul | er..update the changelog | 16:51 |
| Laney | accepted wpa as an unblock candidate | 17:03 |
| Laney | don't know if we have anywhere to record these | 17:03 |
| bregma | can I please get an unblock of Compiz in utopic-proposed since the required FFe for #1356981 was approved? | 17:41 |
| wxl | anyone know why there's no lubuntu-desktop release? i wonder if i can just add it | 18:07 |
| wxl | stgraber: can you tell me where lubuntu desktop went? | 18:11 |
| elfy | wxl: you might need infinity for that | 18:17 |
| wxl | infinity: ? looking for wee lost lubuntu desktop | 18:18 |
| wxl | anyone? :( | 18:23 |
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| jamespage | Please could another member of the release team review the python-xstatic FFe/sync requests I outlined via email last week; we have a completely broken horizon in the archive right now and I'd like to fix it! | 18:34 |
| balloons | stgraber, can you confirm https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-product-managers is the manager for lubuntu builds | 18:43 |
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| === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk | ||
| === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha | ||
| === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk | ||
| === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha | ||
| stgraber | those two shouldn't affect the beta but will be useful for touch, they've been succesfuly tested in a PPA ^ | 21:34 |
| === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk | ||
| infinity | wxl: Err, crap, accidentally build the desktop ISO for trusty. Looks like someone else fixed it for you, though? | 23:36 |
| wxl | infinity: i figured it out thank you :) | 23:36 |
| stgraber | win 54 | 23:53 |
| stgraber | gah, works better with a / in front of it | 23:53 |
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