=== infinity changed the topic of #ubuntu-release to: Released: Trusty Final, Utopic Alpha 2 | Archive: Final Beta Freeze | Utopic Release Coordination. Please don't upload things during freezes where you shouldn't, or be prepared to apologise to the release team | We accept payment in cash, check or beer | melior malum quod cognoscis [00:38] alpha? [00:38] isn't beta 1 technically out :) [00:39] Oh, I didn't change that bit. :P === infinity changed the topic of #ubuntu-release to: Released: Trusty Final, Utopic Beta 1 | Archive: Final Beta Freeze | Utopic Release Coordination. Please don't upload things during freezes where you shouldn't, or be prepared to apologise to the release team | We accept payment in cash, check or beer | melior malum quod cognoscis [00:40] just caught my eye [00:40] is something specific keeping the ISOs from building? [00:41] ? [00:41] beta 2 images haven't appeared in the testing tracker, but maybe that's another problem [00:42] Oh, we literally *just* froze for Beta2/FinalBeta, whatever you want to call it. [00:42] So, nothing in the tracker yet. [00:42] right, that explains it then :) [00:42] any idea of an ETA for first images? [00:43] Once we get the tracker set up, I'll de-cron the world, and then probably kick off a build of everything before I go to bed. [00:45] oki, cheers, and thanks for all the hard work again [00:54] infinity: While you were in there unmoderating stuff for u-d-a, you didn't happen to see my dmb mail from earlier today, did you? [00:54] ScottK: I did, and I let it through at the same time. [00:54] OK. Thanks. [00:55] There it is. [00:55] ta [00:56] ScottK: What made you so sure I self-moderated? :P [00:56] How many years have I known you? [00:56] Like, more than two. [00:56] Plenty to have guessed that. [05:16] Laney: ^ that compiz, no US timezone trainguards caught the ffe approval [06:25] infinity: but I did test kwin [06:26] Riddell: I did test kwin, not sure if 4 or 5, just the default of kubuntu desktop in utopic [06:27] never heard of kwin5, to be honest.. [06:32] mlankhorst: I don't doubt that you tested it, though seemingly not as thoroughly as Riddell did. [06:33] infinity: do you know when beta images are likely to start showing on the tracker? and good day to you :) [06:38] I'm going to hit the button to mass build in ~20m. [06:38] elfy: So, shortly after that, locking order and luck depending. [06:39] ok - thanks infinity :) [07:04] I'm going to need information from Riddell then since it doesn't match my experience [07:04] Riddell: what graphics card do you have? [07:32] and 32-bits or 64-bits? [07:58] Riddell: and as far as I can tell kwin5 is not part of ubuntu [08:07] mlankhorst: I've intel on amd64 running plasma 5 from ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next [08:08] can't say I can claim to have tested it thoroughly, only that I've tested it and noticed some problems that I didn't notice before, but then maybe I wasn't looking. the brekage after the apt dist-upgrade is probably due to that upgrade to mesa I expect [08:08] is that going in 14.10? [08:09] Err, yeah, if this is the Qt5 kwin that's going into 15.04, that really shouldn't block 14.10 stuff... [08:09] fwiw i tested kwin4 again and it worked on radeon/nouveau/intel (ivb) [08:13] FWIW I've been running 10.3 on my haswell, and it's gone swimmingly. [08:14] Riddell: So, while I understand the concern that it *might* break things, I'd like to revisit this, testing agaisnt packages that are actually in utopic. [08:14] Riddell: Nobody's PPA gets to tell the archive what it can and can't include. [08:16] right, I'd like to testing it as I test beta 2 images [08:16] right, I'd like to test it as I test beta 2 images [08:16] but that'll still be intel only [08:17] Riddell: mlankhorst claims to have tested amd/nvidia/intel, but if you can give him hints about specific things to do/test other than boot, log in, look around for obvious icky stuff, I'm sure he'd be all ears. [08:17] mlankhorst: what did you do for your tests? [08:18] mostly on 64-bits, test LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 and see if there is anything obviously wrong, test normal radeon/intel/nouveau, even tested the resizing after your comment, nothing failed [08:18] though 32-bits a little too [08:23] fwiw I tend to run mesa snapshots on precise with kwin 4.10.97 currently [08:23] didn't notice any issues with kwin lately [08:25] I've made a testing matrix, will try to fill it in during beta 2 tests today and tomorrow https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KchGJ6d50Knx9hGS7MvSRKhId-yBMOpPpUoihKHyJm0/edit?usp=sharing [08:34] Riddell: now add mir / without mir and the various cards and watch your testing matrix explode ;-) [08:35] fortunately I care not for mir, but I ought to for wayland (but well, I'll leave that for another year) [08:38] can you test with what's in the archive first please? [08:41] sure [08:41] because all those things work for me on nouveau/amd64 [08:41] great [08:42] queuebot: spammer [08:46] Riddell: Anyhow, I don't want to get in the middle of this any more than I already have, but the reason this is (potentially) landing as late as it is is that I gave mlankhorst a preliminary ACK weeks ago, under the assumption that due diligence was shown, and he went off to test and report back. [08:46] Riddell: If we can reasonably prove that it's not harmful to utopic, there are obvious wins (hardware support, and dropping llvm-3.4 on the floor), so I'd like to at least try and see if we can make it happen. [08:50] * Riddell wonders why okteta is in ubuntu-desktop [08:55] why would one not want to have a kde hex editor in ubuntu? ;-) [09:13] Riddell: !intel works correctly it seems [09:22] I tested those things with radeon and nouveau against 10.3 with i386 and amd64, didn't test kwin5 yet though === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [09:39] man-db sync is for bug 1370059; also bug 1372673 along the way. [09:39] bug 1370059 in man-db (Ubuntu) "FFe: man-db 2.7.0" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1370059 [09:39] bug 1372673 in man-db (Ubuntu Trusty) "excessive debconf use when triggered" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1372673 [09:44] Riddell: hey how do I start kde5? [09:46] install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop and log in to Plasma 5 session [09:48] oh I did that, but also seems to need plasma-desktop [09:50] dolphin draws updates just fine [09:50] yeah that was a curious one off bug I had which I can't recreate now [09:52] the konsole thing seems to be a focus bug, clicking on the other window and back works fine [09:53] not really a mesa bug though [09:54] if you click in a certain way it seems that konsole believes it lost focus [09:55] but switching to another window and back works [09:55] I expect it's a general kwin bug, I just need to check if it happens in mesa 10.2 to confirm it's not mesa's fault [09:57] they're focus bugs, it's not like it stops rendering, it just stops believing it has focus [09:57] selecting a line in konsole works [10:06] same bug with mesa 10.2.6 here.. [10:07] figures, I'm downloading beta 2 candidates now to test [10:16] cjwatson: You should tell your man-db upstream to get on board with our release cadence. [10:16] Yeah, that guy sucks [10:16] He also talks funny. [10:21] cjwatson: So, feel free to let that man-db into proposed, looks sane. We'll unblock it for the next respin, assuming the current crop isn't found to be completely perfect. :P [10:21] every iso is beautiful in its own special way [10:22] *snort* [10:32] I guess I should try to sleep. [10:32] Catch you all "tomorrow". [10:33] infinity: done, thanks [12:40] ^ there are no effective upstream changes betwen 13.92 and 14.0 (that's rc2 vs. final, often the case) [12:40] just some small packaging noise (bumping standards-version), plus getting back in sync [12:40] so that's almost zero riskk [12:43] ^ already in production [12:43] (i. e. autopkgtest CI machines) [12:44] cjwatson, infinity, ScottK, stgraber: ^ notes to whoever looks at unapproved these days/hours [13:10] hey, I’ve got webbrowser-app sitting in the unapproved queue, I’d be glad if someone could ack it (it implements security certificates visual feedback, and has been thoroughly tested) [13:11] oSoMoN, do you have a freeze exception ? [13:11] (we're in final beta freeze) [13:12] ogra_, no, I don’t [13:12] not sure, but you might need one [13:17] could someone please review wpa; it's a small but rather important/useful bug fix [13:20] pitti: Don't think there's need to ping per se, people poll the queue [13:21] Laney: ah, I didn't mean "do it now", but wanted to leave some information for people who do look at the queue [13:21] as these are syncs and thus rather inconvenient to review [13:21] fair enough [13:21] at least 'queue fetch' works for those these days [13:21] I'm fine with not doing that though, not sure how the unapproved reviews are done today [15:11] slangasek: ^- could you review that fairly quickly so that we can unblock the phone? [15:13] looking [15:19] cjwatson: seems like this problem would've been caught at image build time if live-build/ubuntu-touch/hooks/48-setup-env.chroot were set -e; I wonder if an audit here is warranted [15:19] (and accepted) [15:19] slangasek, oh, pretty please [15:20] yeah, possibly [15:20] ogra_: well, I can just add 'set -e' to all of them, and then when they start failing you know they were buggy :) [15:20] probably not right now ... but i would also like to clean up /etc/environment [15:20] (but that needs some real world testing too) [15:21] yeah, being reminded of that file again is going to require a liberal application of ethanol to reverse [15:22] haha [15:22] i guess 80% of it can just be wiped [15:22] SHLVL=1 - yes please :P [15:22] but i also think that will need a day of actual heavy testing each single removal [15:22] * slangasek nods [15:23] which eats time nobody has atm === smow is now known as pfsmorigo [15:50] ^^ missing bug reference bug 1371805. Sorry, noticed just after uploading. [15:50] bug 1371805 in python-django-openstack-auth (Ubuntu) "Please merge python-django-openstack-auth 1.1.6-3 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1371805 [16:51] can someone reject nova-compute-flex please, i need to upload the changelog [16:51] er..update the changelog [17:03] accepted wpa as an unblock candidate [17:03] don't know if we have anywhere to record these [17:41] can I please get an unblock of Compiz in utopic-proposed since the required FFe for #1356981 was approved? [18:07] anyone know why there's no lubuntu-desktop release? i wonder if i can just add it [18:11] stgraber: can you tell me where lubuntu desktop went? [18:17] wxl: you might need infinity for that [18:18] infinity: ? looking for wee lost lubuntu desktop [18:23] anyone? :( === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [18:34] Please could another member of the release team review the python-xstatic FFe/sync requests I outlined via email last week; we have a completely broken horizon in the archive right now and I'd like to fix it! [18:43] stgraber, can you confirm https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-product-managers is the manager for lubuntu builds === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [21:34] those two shouldn't affect the beta but will be useful for touch, they've been succesfuly tested in a PPA ^ === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [23:36] wxl: Err, crap, accidentally build the desktop ISO for trusty. Looks like someone else fixed it for you, though? [23:36] infinity: i figured it out thank you :) [23:53] win 54 [23:53] gah, works better with a / in front of it