[00:38] <knome> alpha?
[00:38] <knome> isn't beta 1 technically out :)
[00:39] <infinity> Oh, I didn't change that bit. :P
[00:40] <knome> just caught my eye
[00:40] <knome> is something specific keeping the ISOs from building?
[00:41] <infinity> ?
[00:41] <knome> beta 2 images haven't appeared in the testing tracker, but maybe that's another problem
[00:42] <infinity> Oh, we literally *just* froze for Beta2/FinalBeta, whatever you want to call it.
[00:42] <infinity> So, nothing in the tracker yet.
[00:42] <knome> right, that explains it then :)
[00:42] <knome> any idea of an ETA for first images?
[00:43] <infinity> Once we get the tracker set up, I'll de-cron the world, and then probably kick off a build of everything before I go to bed.
[00:45] <knome> oki, cheers, and thanks for all the hard work again
[00:54] <ScottK> infinity: While you were in there unmoderating stuff for u-d-a, you didn't happen to see my dmb mail from earlier today, did you?
[00:54] <infinity> ScottK: I did, and I let it through at the same time.
[00:54] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[00:55] <ScottK> There it is.
[00:55] <ScottK> ta
[00:56] <infinity> ScottK: What made you so sure I self-moderated? :P
[00:56] <ScottK> How many years have I known you?
[00:56] <infinity> Like, more than two.
[00:56] <ScottK> Plenty to have guessed that.
[05:16] <Mirv> Laney: ^ that compiz, no US timezone trainguards caught the ffe approval
[06:25] <mlankhorst> infinity: but I did test kwin
[06:26] <mlankhorst> Riddell: I did test kwin, not sure if 4 or 5, just the default of kubuntu desktop in utopic
[06:27] <mlankhorst> never heard of kwin5, to be honest..
[06:32] <infinity> mlankhorst: I don't doubt that you tested it, though seemingly not as thoroughly as Riddell did.
[06:33] <elfy> infinity: do you know when beta images are likely to start showing on the tracker? and good day to you :)
[06:38] <infinity> I'm going to hit the button to mass build in ~20m.
[06:38] <infinity> elfy: So, shortly after that, locking order and luck depending.
[06:39] <elfy> ok - thanks infinity :)
[07:04] <mlankhorst> I'm going to need information from Riddell then since it doesn't match my experience
[07:04] <mlankhorst> Riddell: what graphics card do you have?
[07:32] <mlankhorst> and 32-bits or 64-bits?
[07:58] <mlankhorst> Riddell: and as far as I can tell kwin5 is not part of ubuntu
[08:07] <Riddell> mlankhorst: I've intel on amd64 running plasma 5 from ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next
[08:08] <Riddell> can't say I can claim to have tested it thoroughly, only that I've tested it and noticed some problems that I didn't notice before, but then maybe I wasn't looking.  the brekage after the apt dist-upgrade is probably due to that upgrade to mesa I expect
[08:08] <mlankhorst> is that going in 14.10?
[08:09] <infinity> Err, yeah, if this is the Qt5 kwin that's going into 15.04, that really shouldn't block 14.10 stuff...
[08:09] <mlankhorst> fwiw i tested kwin4 again and it worked on radeon/nouveau/intel (ivb)
[08:13] <RAOF> FWIW I've been running 10.3 on my haswell, and it's gone swimmingly.
[08:14] <infinity> Riddell: So, while I understand the concern that it *might* break things, I'd like to revisit this, testing agaisnt packages that are actually in utopic.
[08:14] <infinity> Riddell: Nobody's PPA gets to tell the archive what it can and can't include.
[08:16] <Riddell> right, I'd like to testing it as I test beta 2 images
[08:16] <Riddell> right, I'd like to test it as I test beta 2 images
[08:16] <Riddell> but that'll still be intel only
[08:17] <infinity> Riddell: mlankhorst claims to have tested amd/nvidia/intel, but if you can give him hints about specific things to do/test other than boot, log in, look around for obvious icky stuff, I'm sure he'd be all ears.
[08:17] <Riddell> mlankhorst: what did you do for your tests?
[08:18] <mlankhorst> mostly on 64-bits, test LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 and see if there is anything obviously wrong, test normal radeon/intel/nouveau, even tested the resizing after your comment, nothing failed
[08:18] <mlankhorst> though 32-bits a little too
[08:23] <mlankhorst> fwiw I tend to run mesa snapshots on precise with kwin 4.10.97 currently
[08:23] <mlankhorst> didn't notice any issues with kwin lately
[08:25] <Riddell> I've made a testing matrix, will try to fill it in during beta 2 tests today and tomorrow https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KchGJ6d50Knx9hGS7MvSRKhId-yBMOpPpUoihKHyJm0/edit?usp=sharing
[08:34] <mlankhorst> Riddell: now add mir / without mir and the various cards and watch your testing matrix explode ;-)
[08:35] <Riddell> fortunately I care not for mir, but I ought to for wayland (but well, I'll leave that for another year)
[08:38] <mlankhorst> can you test with what's in the archive first please?
[08:41] <Riddell> sure
[08:41] <mlankhorst> because all those things work for me on nouveau/amd64
[08:41] <Riddell> great
[08:42] <Riddell> queuebot: spammer
[08:46] <infinity> Riddell: Anyhow, I don't want to get in the middle of this any more than I already have, but the reason this is (potentially) landing as late as it is is that I gave mlankhorst a preliminary ACK weeks ago, under the assumption that due diligence was shown, and he went off to test and report back.
[08:46] <infinity> Riddell: If we can reasonably prove that it's not harmful to utopic, there are obvious wins (hardware support, and dropping llvm-3.4 on the floor), so I'd like to at least try and see if we can make it happen.
[08:50]  * Riddell wonders why okteta is in ubuntu-desktop
[08:55] <mlankhorst> why would one not want to have a kde hex editor in ubuntu? ;-)
[09:13] <mlankhorst> Riddell: !intel works correctly it seems
[09:22] <mlankhorst> I tested those things with radeon and nouveau against 10.3 with i386 and amd64, didn't test kwin5 yet though
[09:39] <cjwatson> man-db sync is for bug 1370059; also bug 1372673 along the way.
[09:39] <ubot2> bug 1370059 in man-db (Ubuntu) "FFe: man-db 2.7.0" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1370059
[09:39] <ubot2> bug 1372673 in man-db (Ubuntu Trusty) "excessive debconf use when triggered" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1372673
[09:44] <mlankhorst> Riddell: hey how do I start kde5?
[09:46] <Riddell> install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop and log in to Plasma 5 session
[09:48] <mlankhorst> oh I did that, but also seems to need plasma-desktop
[09:50] <mlankhorst> dolphin draws updates just fine
[09:50] <Riddell> yeah that was a curious one off bug I had which I can't recreate now
[09:52] <mlankhorst> the konsole thing seems to be a focus bug, clicking on the other window and back works fine
[09:53] <mlankhorst> not really a mesa bug though
[09:54] <mlankhorst> if you click in a certain way it seems that konsole believes it lost focus
[09:55] <mlankhorst> but switching to another window and back works
[09:55] <Riddell> I expect it's a general kwin bug, I just need to check if it happens in mesa 10.2 to confirm it's not mesa's fault
[09:57] <mlankhorst> they're focus bugs, it's not like it stops rendering, it just stops believing it has focus
[09:57] <mlankhorst> selecting a line in konsole works
[10:06] <mlankhorst> same bug with mesa 10.2.6 here..
[10:07] <Riddell> figures, I'm downloading beta 2 candidates now to test
[10:16] <infinity> cjwatson: You should tell your man-db upstream to get on board with our release cadence.
[10:16] <cjwatson> Yeah, that guy sucks
[10:16] <infinity> He also talks funny.
[10:21] <infinity> cjwatson: So, feel free to let that man-db into proposed, looks sane.  We'll unblock it for the next respin, assuming the current crop isn't found to be completely perfect. :P
[10:21] <Riddell> every iso is beautiful in its own special way
[10:22] <infinity> *snort*
[10:32] <infinity> I guess I should try to sleep.
[10:32] <infinity> Catch you all "tomorrow".
[10:33] <cjwatson> infinity: done, thanks
[12:40] <pitti> ^ there are no effective upstream changes betwen 13.92 and 14.0 (that's rc2 vs. final, often the case)
[12:40] <pitti> just some small packaging noise (bumping standards-version), plus getting back in sync
[12:40] <pitti> so that's almost zero riskk
[12:43] <pitti> ^ already in production
[12:43] <pitti> (i. e. autopkgtest CI machines)
[12:44] <pitti> cjwatson, infinity, ScottK, stgraber: ^ notes to whoever looks at unapproved these days/hours
[13:10] <oSoMoN> hey, I’ve got webbrowser-app sitting in the unapproved queue, I’d be glad if someone could ack it (it implements security certificates visual feedback, and has been thoroughly tested)
[13:11] <ogra_> oSoMoN, do you have a freeze exception ?
[13:11] <ogra_> (we're in final beta freeze)
[13:12] <oSoMoN> ogra_, no, I don’t
[13:12] <ogra_> not sure, but you might need one
[13:17] <cyphermox> could someone please review wpa; it's a small but rather important/useful bug fix
[13:20] <Laney> pitti: Don't think there's need to ping per se, people poll the queue
[13:21] <pitti> Laney: ah, I didn't mean "do it now", but wanted to leave some information for people who do look at the queue
[13:21] <pitti> as these are syncs and thus rather inconvenient to review
[13:21] <Laney> fair enough
[13:21] <Laney> at least 'queue fetch' works for those these days
[13:21] <pitti> I'm fine with not doing that though, not sure how the unapproved reviews are done today
[15:11] <cjwatson> slangasek: ^- could you review that fairly quickly so that we can unblock the phone?
[15:13] <slangasek> looking
[15:19] <slangasek> cjwatson: seems like this problem would've been caught at image build time if live-build/ubuntu-touch/hooks/48-setup-env.chroot were set -e; I wonder if an audit here is warranted
[15:19] <slangasek> (and accepted)
[15:19] <ogra_> slangasek, oh, pretty please
[15:20] <cjwatson> yeah, possibly
[15:20] <slangasek> ogra_: well, I can just add 'set -e' to all of them, and then when they start failing you know they were buggy :)
[15:20] <ogra_> probably not right now ... but i would also like to clean up /etc/environment
[15:20] <ogra_> (but that needs some real world testing too)
[15:21] <slangasek> yeah, being reminded of that file again is going to require a liberal application of ethanol to reverse
[15:22] <ogra_> haha
[15:22] <ogra_> i guess 80% of it can just be wiped
[15:22] <slangasek> SHLVL=1 - yes please :P
[15:22] <ogra_> but i also think that will need a day of actual heavy testing each single removal
[15:22]  * slangasek nods
[15:23] <ogra_> which eats time nobody has atm
[15:50] <rbasak> ^^ missing bug reference bug 1371805. Sorry, noticed just after uploading.
[15:50] <ubot2> bug 1371805 in python-django-openstack-auth (Ubuntu) "Please merge python-django-openstack-auth 1.1.6-3 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1371805
[16:51] <zul> can someone reject nova-compute-flex please, i need to upload the changelog
[16:51] <zul> er..update the changelog
[17:03] <Laney> accepted wpa as an unblock candidate
[17:03] <Laney> don't know if we have anywhere to record these
[17:41] <bregma> can I please get an unblock of Compiz in utopic-proposed since the required FFe for #1356981 was approved?
[18:07] <wxl> anyone know why there's no lubuntu-desktop release? i wonder if i can just add it
[18:11] <wxl> stgraber:  can you tell me where lubuntu desktop went?
[18:17] <elfy> wxl: you might need infinity for that
[18:18] <wxl> infinity: ? looking for wee lost lubuntu desktop
[18:23] <wxl> anyone? :(
[18:34] <jamespage> Please could another member of the release team review the python-xstatic FFe/sync requests I outlined via email last week; we have a completely broken horizon in the archive right now and I'd like to fix it!
[18:43] <balloons> stgraber, can you confirm https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-product-managers is the manager for lubuntu builds
[21:34] <stgraber> those two shouldn't affect the beta but will be useful for touch, they've been succesfuly tested in a PPA ^
[23:36] <infinity> wxl: Err, crap, accidentally build the desktop ISO for trusty.  Looks like someone else fixed it for you, though?
[23:36] <wxl> infinity: i figured it out thank you :)
[23:53] <stgraber> win 54
[23:53] <stgraber> gah, works better with a / in front of it