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mappsyo00:43
daftykinsmornin'00:43
daftykinsjust about to head off00:43
mapps;]00:43
mappssleep?00:43
daftykinsyeah, got the first docs appointment in the morning since hospital00:43
mappsdidnt know you were in hospital00:44
mappswhat happened?:(00:44
daftykinsbig cycling accident00:45
mappsah damn00:45
daftykinsi have no memory of what happened, but i punctured a lung, broke 3 ribs and my shoulder blade on one side00:45
mappsdamn00:45
daftykinsi've been basically stuck home since i got out00:46
mappswere you on your own? wearing a helmet?00:46
daftykinsno helmet, i was alone yeah just riding home from a place00:46
daftykinsi remember getting on my bike to head home, nothing after that00:46
mappsdamn should wear helmet when cycling man00:48
daftykinsfirst time somethings ever happened - and i ride everywhere00:48
daftykinsmy main mode of transport00:48
mappsglad youre ok ...or okish00:48
daftykinscheers :)00:48
mappsdoes sound bad mind00:48
daftykinshere are some pics00:48
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/sncjvrt3y1aocla/dafty.jpg?dl=000:49
mappsany idea what happened..like hit a curb or?00:49
mappsi mean to come off the bike in first instance00:49
daftykinsso some guy got in touch after he identified who i was, through a mate00:50
daftykinshe says he was driving down the huge local hill behind me00:50
daftykinsnow i'd have been in top gear on my light mountain bike, properly giving it some00:51
daftykinsallegedly i rubbed the pavement and then that caused me to flip over the handlebars00:51
mappsah damn00:51
mappssucks00:51
daftykinsi don't even know whether i landed on road, pavement or soil00:52
daftykinshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbnEZ9kLP5E00:53
daftykinsmapps: not sure if you're at work and can't view, but that's the hill - i came off at the right-hander @ 0:42s00:53
mappswill check in a sec..at home00:57
mappsleaving today..:)00:57
daftykins:O00:57
daftykinssafe trip then mate, hope all goes smoothly00:57
daftykinsi must head up to bed i'm afraid, hopefully catch you from the other side ^_^00:58
mappsthanks mate00:58
mappstaxi at 03;15 flight 06;25 ..when im back here later il be there00:58
mappsthat is assuming i can find somewhere with wifi to take my netbook;p00:58
daftykins:)00:58
mappsmy adsl will be 8mbit and 83quid a month which sucks01:00
mappshopefully wont be a problem taking a netbook to juse wifi:D sure it wont if i buy a few drinks01:00
daftykinsXD01:01
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diploMorning all07:46
* zmoylan peeks out of kitchen window....07:50
zmoylanonly just :-)07:50
diploHalf of the day gone already!07:50
diplo:)07:50
zmoylanautumn has landed with a damp chilly splat07:52
foobarryseems to be a new wave of facebook hackings resulting in adverts about sunglasses08:06
zmoylandoes hacking someones facebook count as hacking considering how often facebook users forget to logout? :-)08:06
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foobarrypeople are getting their passwords hacked and then an advert is placed on the feed while tagging all their friends for maximum exposure08:08
foobarry3 people in my feed in the last hour ...quite a concnetrated attack08:15
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Restless Legs Awareness Day! :-D08:24
davmor2JamesTait: I know all about restless legs, my wife has it :(  not fun.08:25
JamesTaitdavmor2, mine too. :(08:25
shaunoiron supplements!  (I basically dance in the bed without them.  and not in a good way)08:40
awilkinsHmm, I may try that08:43
JamesTaitshauno, ORLY? I'll pass on the tip.08:43
awilkinsI have a fidgety leg which has created this glacier of tension on the right side of my body - leg, hip, back, shoulder08:43
Myrttishauno: have you had blood work done though? do you donate blood often?08:46
Myrttimen taking iron supplements doesn't sound like a good idea to me, unless you know you've got low levels of iron08:46
davmor2shauno: restless legs is a nervous condition.  JamesTait the real cure is tonic water it has quinine in it which lowers the likehood of restless legs if it is the nervous version then you might need to look at a doctors appointment08:48
zmoylandoes tonic water still have quinine in it, i heard they had replaced it a few years back with some substitute?08:49
Myrttihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_overload08:49
davmor2zmoylan: should have08:49
JamesTaitdavmor2, complicating condition in my wife's case: epilepsy.08:49
knightwiseEhlo !08:50
davmor2no server named08:51
MyrttiI suspected that I had iron deficiency myself but I'm fairly sure it's more about lack of vitamin D than iron that I feel like I don't wake up until noon for real08:51
zmoylanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonic_water#Quinine_content08:51
JamesTaitMore specifically, chronic tonic-clonic seizures, with focal temporal events and absent episodes.08:51
JamesTaitBut epilespy is a lot easier to say.08:52
JamesTaitIf not spell.08:52
zmoylanthere was a radio documentary on gin and it caught my ear about the removal of quinine08:52
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:53
foobarryis this different to the IT worker syndrome where they jog their right leg up and down all day at their desk?08:58
zmoylanonly in offices with good aircon or really old processors :-p09:00
diplofoobarry, that'll be me :D09:01
foobarrywe call it leg spaz09:02
popeywhen I used to work in an office, sometimes if you stretch your legs out you'd kick the person opposite. When this happened the guy opposite me would always shout "AIRSPACE VIOLATION!"09:03
diploheh popey :)09:04
zmoylanand never kick out a power cable?09:04
popeyhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00HZAVAC009:08
popeyany reason not to get that telly?09:08
popeyits quite fat at the back09:08
popeywill stick out from the wall09:08
foobarrymy coworker kicked over my pc and the disk died instantly09:09
zmoylanis it not better to get a non smart tv and add a chromecast/rasppi/mediapc to add the smarts?09:10
foobarrypopey: was the airspace violation guy serious?09:10
Myrttipopey: which room?09:10
popeylounge09:11
popeyfoobarry: he was humorous09:11
popeyzmoylan: there are very few non-smart TVs09:11
Myrttipopey: we have that size, it's a tad small.09:11
popeyyeah, i currently have a 42"09:11
popeymight stick with 42, as my 42 has a gigantic bezel making it look bigger09:11
popeyso if i get a newer 42 with smaller bezel, it will look smaller, for same screen size09:12
davmor2popey: look at the lg and samsung 42" they have tiny bezels09:12
popeyyeah, saw an lg one..09:12
foobarryanyone got recommendations for a good unix101 course online?09:35
foobarrygetting lots of users wanting to use our services but instead of teaching about using the servers, we are spending 4 hrs teaching cd/ls/less/cat/pwd09:35
zmoylanput some porn on a ftp server and write the ip address on toilet wall, they'll teach themselves :-p09:36
foobarrythey are female09:36
foobarrychecking out khan acamey09:37
foobarrycan't remember the other online unis09:37
zmoylanput the works of jane austin onn ftp server... :-p09:37
Myrttifoobarry: you know how I learnt Unix basics?09:40
foobarryhttp://player.oreilly.com/videos/0636920031055?toc_id=15154709:40
foobarrythis looks handy09:40
MyrttiIRC. Women administrated shell server that we got to run irssi/weechat/whatever on and host a small website.09:40
zmoylani installed cygwin on windows and learned enough there to familiarise myself with it so it wasn't such a shock when using linux os09:41
foobarrymy main issue is requiring a bunch of pre -reqs before people attend a class09:41
Myrttigot an IRC channel for support and casual chat, and it was peer supported09:41
foobarryi.e. watch these 5hrs of vids09:41
awilkinsI learned Linux by building a MythTV box. With Gentoo.09:42
zmoylanfind some way to make it in their interest to learn is ultimately the answer.  do you not have documentation done to show newbies how to use your services without needing another person present?09:42
zmoylan'with gentoo' +10 difficulty :-)09:43
shaunokids these days.  I just went though /bin trying to figure out what everything was.  eventually I figured out where manpages live (man man!) so I could just start reading everything.09:44
foobarrythese are not technical people09:44
foobarrybut their professors are requiring them to do technical things09:44
foobarrythey are not self starters or interested in tech09:44
Myrttifoobarry: website and chat. Seriously. Get the social aspect in.09:45
Myrttiif they have a peer support thing going on, they can figure stuff out easier, and it's part of the experience09:45
shaunoI think I'd agree with that.  they need something to call a goal.  trying to learn something they're not interested in, without something they are interested in to apply it to .. talk about uphill09:45
foobarrymaybe i didn't explain myself. i was looking for video resources on how to ensure people have basic unix101 training before attending a workshop . think i'll watch these oreilly ones first and then look around online uni sites09:47
Myrttiand I was trying to tell you that video resources probably won't do zilch if they haven't had a chance of doing all the stuff the videos try to cover.09:47
zmoylani'd suspect if they're non tech people and don't really seem motivated to learn that no matter how good the video tutorial it'll have minimum effect :-/09:48
foobarryok the oreilly guy covered in 2 mins what it took us 4hrs yesterday09:48
foobarrythey would be encouraged to load a vm in vurtalbox09:49
foobarryand try a few lab exercises themselves09:49
foobarryoh no, he's suggesting emacs09:50
foobarryi'd give kids nano09:50
* zmoylan seconds nano09:50
zmoylanand not even just for kids09:50
foobarrythis is quite a poor vid09:51
Myrttifoobarry: I'd have a central vm that you make everyone accounts for, everyone has a public_html dir. Some templates for webpages, that they're encouraged to cat to see if the information is correct, move the files to the correct dir, edit them with nano, check they're in the right directory, change the file permissions...09:51
foobarryhowever, i don't want to teach them that stuff09:51
foobarryi want them to know it as a pre requisite09:51
Myrttihave a skeleton config for a CLI irc client that connects to a network and a specific support channel09:51
Myrttithen they can ask for help from others in that channel09:52
Myrttislap minimum instructions on a wiki that they can modify themselves09:52
Myrttiand maybe put a link to a video.09:52
foobarryyes, ultimately we will say09:53
Myrttihtml template would be like basic "hello world, this is me"-site09:53
foobarrythe goal is to know enough to use the cluster09:53
foobarryaverage undergrads are very weak on using computers09:54
foobarrythey own them and live in the browser09:55
foobarryeven file structure is unknown, they use search09:55
foobarryand they google for urls09:55
arsenWoo, ive got a new dedi :)09:56
arsenAs a general infrastructure design question - if i have one dedi host, one public IP and i'm looking to seperate some web services/email/etc via some form of virtualisation (probably kvm, but maybe kvm via proxmox) - any thoughts as to the best way to setup the networking/webservers etc to differentiate incoming traffic to different vms?09:59
shaunofor webservers, nginx10:00
arseni guess i could nat all the VMs, and use the vm host to portforward - but not sure how that helps with different domains to different vms10:00
directhexComplicated(tm)10:01
shaunoexactly the same way people use it to pass different folders off to different backends, you can have it hand off different hostnames to different IPs.  so you have nginx running on the public IP, and it passes requests to internal IPs10:01
shaunoalmost every other service is much more difficult.  http is easy because they pass the hostname in the request, so you can route on that10:02
arsenmy thoughts, directhex :)10:02
arsenyeah i think you're right shauno10:02
arsentheoretically i can add another public IP or two, not much cost10:03
directhexyeah i'd use reverse proxy in apache, dunno hoiw to in nginx10:03
shaunoit's about the same.  looks just like a vhost setup, but with a line proxy_pass http://10.etc.etc/10:03
arsenthe web stuff is relatively straight forward i guess10:03
Myrttithis whole conversation reminds me of my issue of trying to decide on a wedsite domain name10:04
arsenits things like email and other random web apps that get fuzzy10:04
arsenMyrtti  - always something random web related, as a holding name - then add specific domains for purposes :p10:04
Myrttiarsen: currently we have wedding.<hislastname>.me.uk. You can guess where my issue is.10:05
arsenyou're not married to him?10:05
Myrttihe doth protest equally much when I suggested <Finnish for weddings>.myrtti.fi10:05
shauno"dot me dot uk" is a pain to read out on the phone because it doesn't ring a bell with a whole lot of people :/10:06
Myrttiarsen: I haven't decided if I'll take his last name or not10:06
arsenah :)10:06
arsenyou should - its a nice gesture :D10:06
arsenmy gf doesnt like the idea either, but she will come round to it >:D10:06
MyrttiI don't give a rats ass about the gesture, just like I don't much care for having a wedding with 60+ guests on the list.10:07
shaunowhy not do both (sites)? point both names to the same place, and have it serve english or finnish versions of the same site :)10:07
zmoylana true romantic :-)10:07
Myrttipractical Nordic, I'd say10:08
zmoylantrue, true10:08
davmor2Myrtti: just alias the one site to the other and auto translate ;)10:08
Myrttimost of my professional profile is built on my nickname so I don't really care that much about losing my last name, but it still has some value10:08
Myrttialso, renewing passports etc.10:08
Myrttiright hassle10:08
Myrttiif you want a gesture of being together and believing that this will last - I've hauled my junk from Finland to UK. I think it shows some kind of dedication and trust.10:09
arsenMyrtti  - my other half wants <firstname> <middlename> <her lasstname> <my last name>10:10
Myrttiarsen: would her last name be a middlename?10:10
zmoylanah the grand hyphen :-)10:10
arseni think she's thinking of a double barrreled surname10:10
arsenim going to argue for middle name, and she can choose to refer to herself as she likes :)10:10
shaunohm.  I think I'll file that one under "if you can't say anything nice .." ;)10:10
arsenthe family name must live on!10:10
Myrttior a hyphenated version? right. I'm trying to play the game with Finnish laws in mind10:11
Myrttiso I can't add it as a middle name10:11
Myrttias I'm already maxxed out on those10:11
arsenah, lol10:11
arsenhere you can do as you like :)10:11
* zmoylan just wants to use mononym but not allowed here10:11
MyrttiIf I had my way and didn't care about the Finnish laws, I'd have added Myrtti as my middle name good 8 years ago10:11
Myrttibut Finnish laws state I can have only three given names, so there we are10:12
shaunoit could be worse.  icelandic law would give you a list of what those names are allowed to be10:13
Myrttiyup10:13
zmoylanpoor harriet10:13
MyrttiFinnish law also states that one can't give a girl a boys name and vice versa10:13
shaunopoor Sue!10:13
arseni don't have a middle name, oh well :D10:13
Myrttiand all that don't confirm to a set list go through a committee10:13
shaunoI just pretend I don't, because I can't spell it :|10:14
arsenanyone have any reason to advise me against playing with proxmox?10:22
smittixMorning all10:33
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davmor2Myrtti: I have 4 :P this is why England Rocks ;)10:54
Myrttidavmor2: dsample has... five. It bit him in the ass once at the airport because his flight tickets were for a different name than stated on the passport, and the checkin had to be done manually.10:55
Myrttiprobably has multiple other times too, I just don't know about them10:55
davmor2Myrtti: although people look at my bank card suspiciously MR DAVID MR MORLEY.10:55
Myrttidavmor2: I'm having a long term name problem anyway with his surname - if we have a daughter I was planning to give her my mother's middle name. But that would make her a "A SAMPLE" and that bodes well with the Science Museum exhibit in mind and all. https://www.flickr.com/photos/duncansample/3809419958/10:57
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davmor2Myrtti: that's a lot of blood she'd have to give right there ;)10:59
arseneugh goddamn macs. random irregular 2-3second freezes and no evidence as to what :<11:45
foobarrytop, iostat, iotop, vmstat11:45
arsenyeah, i suspect its chrome related :/11:45
zmoylanrepeat browsing in different browser to confirm?11:49
Azelphurjust to confirm I'm doing this right, blocking 183.252.52.* is iptables -A INPUT -s 183.252.52.0/24 -j DROP right?12:18
davmor2arsen: always assume it's chrome ;)12:38
Seeker`woo, netflix on linux \o/13:33
brobostigonhow?13:34
foobarryits all over g+13:34
foobarrythey fixed it13:34
foobarryalso, android apps on chrome13:34
Seeker`brobostigon: you running 14.10 yet?13:35
popey\o/13:35
brobostigonSeeker`: no.13:35
Seeker`brobostigon: then there has been (or will be shortly) a security update with a new version of libnss313:35
Seeker`get that, and you can watch netflix on chrome13:35
brobostigonSeeker`: ok.13:35
brobostigoncool.13:36
Seeker`not sure if you'll still need a beta build of chrome or not on that version of ubuntu13:36
zmoylanthere goes the bandwidth :-/13:36
Seeker`but it basically works with an apt-get install google-chrome in 14.1013:36
Seeker`hallo mr popey13:36
popeythe update was done13:36
popeyits up to netflix now to remove the UA bodge13:37
brobostigon!package libnss3 unstable13:37
lubotu3brobostigon: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)13:37
foobarryi've never looked at netflix13:37
popeypopcorntime is interesting13:37
foobarryalthough it seems to have less programmes than you would expect13:37
popeys/less/fewer/13:37
zmoylani'd get a tv before i got netflix13:37
foobarrythey give the impression they have everything13:37
popeyi mostly use netflix on my desktop monitor via chromecast13:37
popeycontrolled from phone/tablet13:38
brobostigon!show libnss3 unstable13:38
lubotu3brobostigon: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)13:38
foobarry!info libnss313:38
lubotu3libnss3 (source: nss): Network Security Service libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 2:3.17-0ubuntu0.14.04.1 (trusty), package size 1030 kB, installed size 3358 kB13:38
brobostigon!info libnss3 unstable13:38
lubotu3libnss3 (source: nss): Network Security Service libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 2:3.17-1 (unstable), package size 1156 kB, installed size 3790 kB13:39
foobarry!info libnss3 utopic13:39
lubotu3libnss3 (source: nss): Network Security Service libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 2:3.17-1ubuntu1 (utopic), package size 1148 kB, installed size 3786 kB13:39
* popey just installed Ubuntu 10.10 Netbook Remix.13:39
foobarryfor the lolz?13:40
popeypartly13:40
popeyneed a screenshot13:40
foobarryhttps://www.google.co.uk/search?q=omgubuntu+10.10+netbook+remix&biw=1266&bih=655&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=d3ghVLHRA8S07QaKjYCgCw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoBA13:41
Seeker`wow, I've been on this network for almost 8 years now13:41
davmor2popey: man that is an old bug ;)13:41
popeyyes, thatis indeed 10.1013:41
foobarrythat reminds me of my ausus 70113:42
AzelphurSeeker`: I still have IRC logs from '06 :)13:43
Seeker`Azelphur: horder :P13:43
* brobostigon uses his eeepc 900 (with updated bios) to test haiku on.13:44
Azelphurhehe13:44
popeywhat does the updated bios do?13:44
Seeker`Azelphur: and logs of you blowing up any Arduino you went near I assume?13:44
Seeker`:P13:44
popey2006 is not that long ago13:44
AzelphurSeeker`: hey, I GOT THAT ARDUINO WORKING AGAIN AND MADE IT DO FLASHING LIGHTS.13:44
Azelphurso ner.13:44
Seeker`I was still at uni in 200613:44
brobostigonpopey: solves a bug, where haiku wouldnt boot, because the bios would report false information.13:45
AzelphurSeeker`: recently I've been doing home automation...that trips the breaker in my flat occasionally when I use it :<13:45
Seeker`Azelphur: try not to blow up your house :P13:45
Azelphureasier said than done :P13:45
popeyahh13:45
brobostigoni found and solved the bug, :)13:46
LaneySTOP SAYING FRIENDS14:29
LaneyFOR ATOAHETOH$)%£)$&*%14:29
directhex?14:30
Azelphurfriends.14:31
directhexromans14:31
Azelphuracquaintances?14:31
Laneyhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-2931051214:32
foobarrygromiiiiit14:37
davmor2foobarry: and a nice piece of wensleydale14:39
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diddledanmy inner-geek love this : http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/09/23/elevator-into-space-japanese-firm-determined-to-proceed-with-bold-engineering17:06
shaunodiddledan: your inner geek loves linking to fox news?  :(18:38
diddledannono, the content of said link18:39
diddledanor rather the content of the target of said link18:39
shaunothis bag is nowhere near as big as I remember it.  so I'm trying to figure out how much clothing I can realistically wear on the flight18:52
DJonesshauno: That sounds like you're tryung to say that the clothing has just gotten bigger18:56
shauno:(18:57
DJonesI've had that problem, clothing in a large size takes up more space than the same number of items in a small size18:58
diddledanDJones: I found that about my belly, too18:59
shaunobut ryanair don't do pay-per-belly (yet)18:59
DJonesnow you've mentioned it, they probably will start, they charge everything else19:00
shaunopart of me thinks it'd be fair.  more weight more fuel etc19:00
shaunoor at least give us wee guys more baggage allowance :)19:00
shaunoif there's space for dan's beard, there's space for me to have a second bag!19:01
DJonesActually, they have thought about it http://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/apr/22/ryanair-obese-fat-tax19:01
shaunothe common issue with ryanair is a lot of the time, "considering" something means lettering their loud-mouth CEO wind up the press for free advertising19:01
diddledanlol19:02
shaunolettering?  you know what I mean :)19:02
popeyhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/feds-label-bitcoin-miner-maker-butterfly-labs-as-systematic-deception/20:18
ali1234about time20:21
diddledanI don't like the response from BFL about vindicating bitcoin as if the currency itself is being questioned, which it isn't20:26
diddledanit looks to me that the problem is just a straight-forward fraud claim20:26
ali1234correct20:27
ali1234BFL was nothing but a scam outfit from the start20:27
ali1234they are experts at deflecting criticism20:28
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phillwAlanBell: ping23:02
daftykinsbit late :)23:02
phillwdaftykins: why ?23:03
daftykinsi figure such chaps are in bed by now!23:04
phillwit's only just gone midnite... but.... okies, I'll wait for a pong :)23:04
shaunomidnight's almost like a shift change around here.  the strange people come out ;)23:05
daftykinsshauno: ^523:06
daftykinsnow we just need diddledan23:06
phillwyeah, but I needed a community member to ask advice from23:06
daftykins"when shall we 3 meet again" - "er, midnight"23:06
daftykinsoh, not general ubuntu advice then?23:06
shaunophillw: oh understood.  not saying don't ask, it's just a tip :)23:07
phillwdaftykins: no, a burn out of a community memeber..... must more important23:07
phillwshauno: ^^23:08
phillws/must/much23:08
daftykinsAlanBell: ah you dropped, ping x 2 from phillw *points*23:11
phillwAlanBell: you about >23:11
phillwnot my sos, but a fellow ubuntu person23:11

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