[00:43] <mapps> yo
[00:43] <daftykins> mornin'
[00:43] <daftykins> just about to head off
[00:43] <mapps> ;]
[00:43] <mapps> sleep?
[00:43] <daftykins> yeah, got the first docs appointment in the morning since hospital
[00:44] <mapps> didnt know you were in hospital
[00:44] <mapps> what happened?:(
[00:45] <daftykins> big cycling accident
[00:45] <mapps> ah damn
[00:45] <daftykins> i have no memory of what happened, but i punctured a lung, broke 3 ribs and my shoulder blade on one side
[00:45] <mapps> damn
[00:46] <daftykins> i've been basically stuck home since i got out
[00:46] <mapps> were you on your own? wearing a helmet?
[00:46] <daftykins> no helmet, i was alone yeah just riding home from a place
[00:46] <daftykins> i remember getting on my bike to head home, nothing after that
[00:48] <mapps> damn should wear helmet when cycling man
[00:48] <daftykins> first time somethings ever happened - and i ride everywhere
[00:48] <daftykins> my main mode of transport
[00:48] <mapps> glad youre ok ...or okish
[00:48] <daftykins> cheers :)
[00:48] <mapps> does sound bad mind
[00:48] <daftykins> here are some pics
[00:49] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/sncjvrt3y1aocla/dafty.jpg?dl=0
[00:49] <mapps> any idea what happened..like hit a curb or?
[00:49] <mapps> i mean to come off the bike in first instance
[00:50] <daftykins> so some guy got in touch after he identified who i was, through a mate
[00:50] <daftykins> he says he was driving down the huge local hill behind me
[00:51] <daftykins> now i'd have been in top gear on my light mountain bike, properly giving it some
[00:51] <daftykins> allegedly i rubbed the pavement and then that caused me to flip over the handlebars
[00:51] <mapps> ah damn
[00:51] <mapps> sucks
[00:52] <daftykins> i don't even know whether i landed on road, pavement or soil
[00:53] <daftykins> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbnEZ9kLP5E
[00:53] <daftykins> mapps: not sure if you're at work and can't view, but that's the hill - i came off at the right-hander @ 0:42s
[00:57] <mapps> will check in a sec..at home
[00:57] <mapps> leaving today..:)
[00:57] <daftykins> :O
[00:57] <daftykins> safe trip then mate, hope all goes smoothly
[00:58] <daftykins> i must head up to bed i'm afraid, hopefully catch you from the other side ^_^
[00:58] <mapps> thanks mate
[00:58] <mapps> taxi at 03;15 flight 06;25 ..when im back here later il be there
[00:58] <mapps> that is assuming i can find somewhere with wifi to take my netbook;p
[00:58] <daftykins> :)
[01:00] <mapps> my adsl will be 8mbit and 83quid a month which sucks
[01:00] <mapps> hopefully wont be a problem taking a netbook to juse wifi:D sure it wont if i buy a few drinks
[01:01] <daftykins> XD
[06:11] <bob4nk]p> !xxx
[07:46] <diplo> Morning all
[07:50]  * zmoylan peeks out of kitchen window....
[07:50] <zmoylan> only just :-)
[07:50] <diplo> Half of the day gone already!
[07:50] <diplo> :)
[07:52] <zmoylan> autumn has landed with a damp chilly splat
[08:06] <foobarry> seems to be a new wave of facebook hackings resulting in adverts about sunglasses
[08:06] <zmoylan> does hacking someones facebook count as hacking considering how often facebook users forget to logout? :-)
[08:08] <foobarry> people are getting their passwords hacked and then an advert is placed on the feed while tagging all their friends for maximum exposure
[08:15] <foobarry> 3 people in my feed in the last hour ...quite a concnetrated attack
[08:24] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Restless Legs Awareness Day! :-D
[08:25] <davmor2> JamesTait: I know all about restless legs, my wife has it :(  not fun.
[08:25] <JamesTait> davmor2, mine too. :(
[08:40] <shauno> iron supplements!  (I basically dance in the bed without them.  and not in a good way)
[08:43] <awilkins> Hmm, I may try that
[08:43] <JamesTait> shauno, ORLY? I'll pass on the tip.
[08:43] <awilkins> I have a fidgety leg which has created this glacier of tension on the right side of my body - leg, hip, back, shoulder
[08:46] <Myrtti> shauno: have you had blood work done though? do you donate blood often?
[08:46] <Myrtti> men taking iron supplements doesn't sound like a good idea to me, unless you know you've got low levels of iron
[08:48] <davmor2> shauno: restless legs is a nervous condition.  JamesTait the real cure is tonic water it has quinine in it which lowers the likehood of restless legs if it is the nervous version then you might need to look at a doctors appointment
[08:49] <zmoylan> does tonic water still have quinine in it, i heard they had replaced it a few years back with some substitute?
[08:49] <Myrtti> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_overload
[08:49] <davmor2> zmoylan: should have
[08:49] <JamesTait> davmor2, complicating condition in my wife's case: epilepsy.
[08:50] <knightwise> Ehlo !
[08:51] <davmor2> no server named
[08:51] <Myrtti> I suspected that I had iron deficiency myself but I'm fairly sure it's more about lack of vitamin D than iron that I feel like I don't wake up until noon for real
[08:51] <zmoylan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonic_water#Quinine_content
[08:51] <JamesTait> More specifically, chronic tonic-clonic seizures, with focal temporal events and absent episodes.
[08:52] <JamesTait> But epilespy is a lot easier to say.
[08:52] <JamesTait> If not spell.
[08:52] <zmoylan> there was a radio documentary on gin and it caught my ear about the removal of quinine
[08:53] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:58] <foobarry> is this different to the IT worker syndrome where they jog their right leg up and down all day at their desk?
[09:00] <zmoylan> only in offices with good aircon or really old processors :-p
[09:01] <diplo> foobarry, that'll be me :D
[09:02] <foobarry> we call it leg spaz
[09:03] <popey> when I used to work in an office, sometimes if you stretch your legs out you'd kick the person opposite. When this happened the guy opposite me would always shout "AIRSPACE VIOLATION!"
[09:04] <diplo> heh popey :)
[09:04] <zmoylan> and never kick out a power cable?
[09:08] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00HZAVAC0
[09:08] <popey> any reason not to get that telly?
[09:08] <popey> its quite fat at the back
[09:08] <popey> will stick out from the wall
[09:09] <foobarry> my coworker kicked over my pc and the disk died instantly
[09:10] <zmoylan> is it not better to get a non smart tv and add a chromecast/rasppi/mediapc to add the smarts?
[09:10] <foobarry> popey: was the airspace violation guy serious?
[09:10] <Myrtti> popey: which room?
[09:11] <popey> lounge
[09:11] <popey> foobarry: he was humorous
[09:11] <popey> zmoylan: there are very few non-smart TVs
[09:11] <Myrtti> popey: we have that size, it's a tad small.
[09:11] <popey> yeah, i currently have a 42"
[09:11] <popey> might stick with 42, as my 42 has a gigantic bezel making it look bigger
[09:12] <popey> so if i get a newer 42 with smaller bezel, it will look smaller, for same screen size
[09:12] <davmor2> popey: look at the lg and samsung 42" they have tiny bezels
[09:12] <popey> yeah, saw an lg one..
[09:35] <foobarry> anyone got recommendations for a good unix101 course online?
[09:35] <foobarry> getting lots of users wanting to use our services but instead of teaching about using the servers, we are spending 4 hrs teaching cd/ls/less/cat/pwd
[09:36] <zmoylan> put some porn on a ftp server and write the ip address on toilet wall, they'll teach themselves :-p
[09:36] <foobarry> they are female
[09:37] <foobarry> checking out khan acamey
[09:37] <foobarry> can't remember the other online unis
[09:37] <zmoylan> put the works of jane austin onn ftp server... :-p
[09:40] <Myrtti> foobarry: you know how I learnt Unix basics?
[09:40] <foobarry> http://player.oreilly.com/videos/0636920031055?toc_id=151547
[09:40] <foobarry> this looks handy
[09:40] <Myrtti> IRC. Women administrated shell server that we got to run irssi/weechat/whatever on and host a small website.
[09:41] <zmoylan> i installed cygwin on windows and learned enough there to familiarise myself with it so it wasn't such a shock when using linux os
[09:41] <foobarry> my main issue is requiring a bunch of pre -reqs before people attend a class
[09:41] <Myrtti> got an IRC channel for support and casual chat, and it was peer supported
[09:41] <foobarry> i.e. watch these 5hrs of vids
[09:42] <awilkins> I learned Linux by building a MythTV box. With Gentoo.
[09:42] <zmoylan> find some way to make it in their interest to learn is ultimately the answer.  do you not have documentation done to show newbies how to use your services without needing another person present?
[09:43] <zmoylan> 'with gentoo' +10 difficulty :-)
[09:44] <shauno> kids these days.  I just went though /bin trying to figure out what everything was.  eventually I figured out where manpages live (man man!) so I could just start reading everything.
[09:44] <foobarry> these are not technical people
[09:44] <foobarry> but their professors are requiring them to do technical things
[09:44] <foobarry> they are not self starters or interested in tech
[09:45] <Myrtti> foobarry: website and chat. Seriously. Get the social aspect in.
[09:45] <Myrtti> if they have a peer support thing going on, they can figure stuff out easier, and it's part of the experience
[09:45] <shauno> I think I'd agree with that.  they need something to call a goal.  trying to learn something they're not interested in, without something they are interested in to apply it to .. talk about uphill
[09:47] <foobarry> maybe i didn't explain myself. i was looking for video resources on how to ensure people have basic unix101 training before attending a workshop . think i'll watch these oreilly ones first and then look around online uni sites
[09:47] <Myrtti> and I was trying to tell you that video resources probably won't do zilch if they haven't had a chance of doing all the stuff the videos try to cover.
[09:48] <zmoylan> i'd suspect if they're non tech people and don't really seem motivated to learn that no matter how good the video tutorial it'll have minimum effect :-/
[09:48] <foobarry> ok the oreilly guy covered in 2 mins what it took us 4hrs yesterday
[09:49] <foobarry> they would be encouraged to load a vm in vurtalbox
[09:49] <foobarry> and try a few lab exercises themselves
[09:50] <foobarry> oh no, he's suggesting emacs
[09:50] <foobarry> i'd give kids nano
[09:50]  * zmoylan seconds nano
[09:50] <zmoylan> and not even just for kids
[09:51] <foobarry> this is quite a poor vid
[09:51] <Myrtti> foobarry: I'd have a central vm that you make everyone accounts for, everyone has a public_html dir. Some templates for webpages, that they're encouraged to cat to see if the information is correct, move the files to the correct dir, edit them with nano, check they're in the right directory, change the file permissions...
[09:51] <foobarry> however, i don't want to teach them that stuff
[09:51] <foobarry> i want them to know it as a pre requisite
[09:51] <Myrtti> have a skeleton config for a CLI irc client that connects to a network and a specific support channel
[09:52] <Myrtti> then they can ask for help from others in that channel
[09:52] <Myrtti> slap minimum instructions on a wiki that they can modify themselves
[09:52] <Myrtti> and maybe put a link to a video.
[09:53] <foobarry> yes, ultimately we will say
[09:53] <Myrtti> html template would be like basic "hello world, this is me"-site
[09:53] <foobarry> the goal is to know enough to use the cluster
[09:54] <foobarry> average undergrads are very weak on using computers
[09:55] <foobarry> they own them and live in the browser
[09:55] <foobarry> even file structure is unknown, they use search
[09:55] <foobarry> and they google for urls
[09:56] <arsen> Woo, ive got a new dedi :)
[09:59] <arsen> As a general infrastructure design question - if i have one dedi host, one public IP and i'm looking to seperate some web services/email/etc via some form of virtualisation (probably kvm, but maybe kvm via proxmox) - any thoughts as to the best way to setup the networking/webservers etc to differentiate incoming traffic to different vms?
[10:00] <shauno> for webservers, nginx
[10:00] <arsen> i guess i could nat all the VMs, and use the vm host to portforward - but not sure how that helps with different domains to different vms
[10:01] <directhex> Complicated(tm)
[10:01] <shauno> exactly the same way people use it to pass different folders off to different backends, you can have it hand off different hostnames to different IPs.  so you have nginx running on the public IP, and it passes requests to internal IPs
[10:02] <shauno> almost every other service is much more difficult.  http is easy because they pass the hostname in the request, so you can route on that
[10:02] <arsen> my thoughts, directhex :)
[10:02] <arsen> yeah i think you're right shauno
[10:03] <arsen> theoretically i can add another public IP or two, not much cost
[10:03] <directhex> yeah i'd use reverse proxy in apache, dunno hoiw to in nginx
[10:03] <shauno> it's about the same.  looks just like a vhost setup, but with a line proxy_pass http://10.etc.etc/
[10:03] <arsen> the web stuff is relatively straight forward i guess
[10:04] <Myrtti> this whole conversation reminds me of my issue of trying to decide on a wedsite domain name
[10:04] <arsen> its things like email and other random web apps that get fuzzy
[10:04] <arsen> Myrtti  - always something random web related, as a holding name - then add specific domains for purposes :p
[10:05] <Myrtti> arsen: currently we have wedding.<hislastname>.me.uk. You can guess where my issue is.
[10:05] <arsen> you're not married to him?
[10:05] <Myrtti> he doth protest equally much when I suggested <Finnish for weddings>.myrtti.fi
[10:06] <shauno> "dot me dot uk" is a pain to read out on the phone because it doesn't ring a bell with a whole lot of people :/
[10:06] <Myrtti> arsen: I haven't decided if I'll take his last name or not
[10:06] <arsen> ah :)
[10:06] <arsen> you should - its a nice gesture :D
[10:06] <arsen> my gf doesnt like the idea either, but she will come round to it >:D
[10:07] <Myrtti> I don't give a rats ass about the gesture, just like I don't much care for having a wedding with 60+ guests on the list.
[10:07] <shauno> why not do both (sites)? point both names to the same place, and have it serve english or finnish versions of the same site :)
[10:07] <zmoylan> a true romantic :-)
[10:08] <Myrtti> practical Nordic, I'd say
[10:08] <zmoylan> true, true
[10:08] <davmor2> Myrtti: just alias the one site to the other and auto translate ;)
[10:08] <Myrtti> most of my professional profile is built on my nickname so I don't really care that much about losing my last name, but it still has some value
[10:08] <Myrtti> also, renewing passports etc.
[10:08] <Myrtti> right hassle
[10:09] <Myrtti> if you want a gesture of being together and believing that this will last - I've hauled my junk from Finland to UK. I think it shows some kind of dedication and trust.
[10:10] <arsen> Myrtti  - my other half wants <firstname> <middlename> <her lasstname> <my last name>
[10:10] <Myrtti> arsen: would her last name be a middlename?
[10:10] <zmoylan> ah the grand hyphen :-)
[10:10] <arsen> i think she's thinking of a double barrreled surname
[10:10] <arsen> im going to argue for middle name, and she can choose to refer to herself as she likes :)
[10:10] <shauno> hm.  I think I'll file that one under "if you can't say anything nice .." ;)
[10:10] <arsen> the family name must live on!
[10:11] <Myrtti> or a hyphenated version? right. I'm trying to play the game with Finnish laws in mind
[10:11] <Myrtti> so I can't add it as a middle name
[10:11] <Myrtti> as I'm already maxxed out on those
[10:11] <arsen> ah, lol
[10:11] <arsen> here you can do as you like :)
[10:11]  * zmoylan just wants to use mononym but not allowed here
[10:11] <Myrtti> If I had my way and didn't care about the Finnish laws, I'd have added Myrtti as my middle name good 8 years ago
[10:12] <Myrtti> but Finnish laws state I can have only three given names, so there we are
[10:13] <shauno> it could be worse.  icelandic law would give you a list of what those names are allowed to be
[10:13] <Myrtti> yup
[10:13] <zmoylan> poor harriet
[10:13] <Myrtti> Finnish law also states that one can't give a girl a boys name and vice versa
[10:13] <shauno> poor Sue!
[10:13] <arsen> i don't have a middle name, oh well :D
[10:13] <Myrtti> and all that don't confirm to a set list go through a committee
[10:14] <shauno> I just pretend I don't, because I can't spell it :|
[10:22] <arsen> anyone have any reason to advise me against playing with proxmox?
[10:33] <smittix> Morning all
[10:54] <davmor2> Myrtti: I have 4 :P this is why England Rocks ;)
[10:55] <Myrtti> davmor2: dsample has... five. It bit him in the ass once at the airport because his flight tickets were for a different name than stated on the passport, and the checkin had to be done manually.
[10:55] <Myrtti> probably has multiple other times too, I just don't know about them
[10:55] <davmor2> Myrtti: although people look at my bank card suspiciously MR DAVID MR MORLEY.
[10:57] <Myrtti> davmor2: I'm having a long term name problem anyway with his surname - if we have a daughter I was planning to give her my mother's middle name. But that would make her a "A SAMPLE" and that bodes well with the Science Museum exhibit in mind and all. https://www.flickr.com/photos/duncansample/3809419958/
[10:59] <davmor2> Myrtti: that's a lot of blood she'd have to give right there ;)
[11:45] <arsen> eugh goddamn macs. random irregular 2-3second freezes and no evidence as to what :<
[11:45] <foobarry> top, iostat, iotop, vmstat
[11:45] <arsen> yeah, i suspect its chrome related :/
[11:49] <zmoylan> repeat browsing in different browser to confirm?
[12:18] <Azelphur> just to confirm I'm doing this right, blocking 183.252.52.* is iptables -A INPUT -s 183.252.52.0/24 -j DROP right?
[12:38] <davmor2> arsen: always assume it's chrome ;)
[13:33] <Seeker`> woo, netflix on linux \o/
[13:34] <brobostigon> how?
[13:34] <foobarry> its all over g+
[13:34] <foobarry> they fixed it
[13:34] <foobarry> also, android apps on chrome
[13:35] <Seeker`> brobostigon: you running 14.10 yet?
[13:35] <popey> \o/
[13:35] <brobostigon> Seeker`: no.
[13:35] <Seeker`> brobostigon: then there has been (or will be shortly) a security update with a new version of libnss3
[13:35] <Seeker`> get that, and you can watch netflix on chrome
[13:35] <brobostigon> Seeker`: ok.
[13:36] <brobostigon> cool.
[13:36] <Seeker`> not sure if you'll still need a beta build of chrome or not on that version of ubuntu
[13:36] <zmoylan> there goes the bandwidth :-/
[13:36] <Seeker`> but it basically works with an apt-get install google-chrome in 14.10
[13:36] <Seeker`> hallo mr popey
[13:36] <popey> the update was done
[13:37] <popey> its up to netflix now to remove the UA bodge
[13:37] <brobostigon> !package libnss3 unstable
[13:37] <foobarry> i've never looked at netflix
[13:37] <popey> popcorntime is interesting
[13:37] <foobarry> although it seems to have less programmes than you would expect
[13:37] <popey> s/less/fewer/
[13:37] <zmoylan> i'd get a tv before i got netflix
[13:37] <foobarry> they give the impression they have everything
[13:37] <popey> i mostly use netflix on my desktop monitor via chromecast
[13:38] <popey> controlled from phone/tablet
[13:38] <brobostigon> !show libnss3 unstable
[13:38] <foobarry> !info libnss3
[13:38] <brobostigon> !info libnss3 unstable
[13:39] <foobarry> !info libnss3 utopic
[13:39]  * popey just installed Ubuntu 10.10 Netbook Remix.
[13:40] <foobarry> for the lolz?
[13:40] <popey> partly
[13:40] <popey> need a screenshot
[13:41] <foobarry> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=omgubuntu+10.10+netbook+remix&biw=1266&bih=655&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=d3ghVLHRA8S07QaKjYCgCw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoBA
[13:41] <Seeker`> wow, I've been on this network for almost 8 years now
[13:41] <davmor2> popey: man that is an old bug ;)
[13:41] <popey> yes, thatis indeed 10.10
[13:42] <foobarry> that reminds me of my ausus 701
[13:43] <Azelphur> Seeker`: I still have IRC logs from '06 :)
[13:43] <Seeker`> Azelphur: horder :P
[13:44]  * brobostigon uses his eeepc 900 (with updated bios) to test haiku on.
[13:44] <Azelphur> hehe
[13:44] <popey> what does the updated bios do?
[13:44] <Seeker`> Azelphur: and logs of you blowing up any Arduino you went near I assume?
[13:44] <Seeker`> :P
[13:44] <popey> 2006 is not that long ago
[13:44] <Azelphur> Seeker`: hey, I GOT THAT ARDUINO WORKING AGAIN AND MADE IT DO FLASHING LIGHTS.
[13:44] <Azelphur> so ner.
[13:44] <Seeker`> I was still at uni in 2006
[13:45] <brobostigon> popey: solves a bug, where haiku wouldnt boot, because the bios would report false information.
[13:45] <Azelphur> Seeker`: recently I've been doing home automation...that trips the breaker in my flat occasionally when I use it :<
[13:45] <Seeker`> Azelphur: try not to blow up your house :P
[13:45] <Azelphur> easier said than done :P
[13:45] <popey> ahh
[13:46] <brobostigon> i found and solved the bug, :)
[14:29] <Laney> STOP SAYING FRIENDS
[14:29] <Laney> FOR ATOAHETOH$)%£)$&*%
[14:30] <directhex> ?
[14:31] <Azelphur> friends.
[14:31] <directhex> romans
[14:31] <Azelphur> acquaintances?
[14:32] <Laney> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29310512
[14:37] <foobarry> gromiiiiit
[14:39] <davmor2> foobarry: and a nice piece of wensleydale
[17:06] <diddledan> my inner-geek love this : http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/09/23/elevator-into-space-japanese-firm-determined-to-proceed-with-bold-engineering
[18:38] <shauno> diddledan: your inner geek loves linking to fox news?  :(
[18:39] <diddledan> nono, the content of said link
[18:39] <diddledan> or rather the content of the target of said link
[18:52] <shauno> this bag is nowhere near as big as I remember it.  so I'm trying to figure out how much clothing I can realistically wear on the flight
[18:56] <DJones> shauno: That sounds like you're tryung to say that the clothing has just gotten bigger
[18:57] <shauno> :(
[18:58] <DJones> I've had that problem, clothing in a large size takes up more space than the same number of items in a small size
[18:59] <diddledan> DJones: I found that about my belly, too
[18:59] <shauno> but ryanair don't do pay-per-belly (yet)
[19:00] <DJones> now you've mentioned it, they probably will start, they charge everything else
[19:00] <shauno> part of me thinks it'd be fair.  more weight more fuel etc
[19:00] <shauno> or at least give us wee guys more baggage allowance :)
[19:01] <shauno> if there's space for dan's beard, there's space for me to have a second bag!
[19:01] <DJones> Actually, they have thought about it http://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/apr/22/ryanair-obese-fat-tax
[19:01] <shauno> the common issue with ryanair is a lot of the time, "considering" something means lettering their loud-mouth CEO wind up the press for free advertising
[19:02] <diddledan> lol
[19:02] <shauno> lettering?  you know what I mean :)
[20:18] <popey> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/feds-label-bitcoin-miner-maker-butterfly-labs-as-systematic-deception/
[20:21] <ali1234> about time
[20:26] <diddledan> I don't like the response from BFL about vindicating bitcoin as if the currency itself is being questioned, which it isn't
[20:26] <diddledan> it looks to me that the problem is just a straight-forward fraud claim
[20:27] <ali1234> correct
[20:27] <ali1234> BFL was nothing but a scam outfit from the start
[20:28] <ali1234> they are experts at deflecting criticism
[23:02] <phillw> AlanBell: ping
[23:02] <daftykins> bit late :)
[23:03] <phillw> daftykins: why ?
[23:04] <daftykins> i figure such chaps are in bed by now!
[23:04] <phillw> it's only just gone midnite... but.... okies, I'll wait for a pong :)
[23:05] <shauno> midnight's almost like a shift change around here.  the strange people come out ;)
[23:06] <daftykins> shauno: ^5
[23:06] <daftykins> now we just need diddledan
[23:06] <phillw> yeah, but I needed a community member to ask advice from
[23:06] <daftykins> "when shall we 3 meet again" - "er, midnight"
[23:06] <daftykins> oh, not general ubuntu advice then?
[23:07] <shauno> phillw: oh understood.  not saying don't ask, it's just a tip :)
[23:07] <phillw> daftykins: no, a burn out of a community memeber..... must more important
[23:08] <phillw> shauno: ^^
[23:08] <phillw> s/must/much
[23:11] <daftykins> AlanBell: ah you dropped, ping x 2 from phillw *points*
[23:11] <phillw> AlanBell: you about >
[23:11] <phillw> not my sos, but a fellow ubuntu person