[00:33] <bluesabre> what did I miss?
[00:34] <knome> nothing i guess
[00:35] <bluesabre> I saw the translations pad
[00:35] <bluesabre> anything for release notes, or are we doing those on the site?
[00:35] <knome> a pad would be good i guess
[00:36] <bluesabre> looks like beta is not on the iso tracker yet :(
[00:37] <knome> i thought pleia2 was downloading the ISOs but maybe i misunderstood
[00:38] <pleia2> no, that's why I was frowning
[00:38] <knome> aha
[06:41] <elfy> images building shortly 
[07:31] <elfy> ochosi bluesabre knome - http://pad.ubuntu.com/b2notes
[09:02] <ochosi> morning everyone
[09:07] <knome> oi elfy 
[09:07] <knome> hai ochosi 
[09:07] <ochosi> hey folks
[09:10] <slickymasterWork> Unit193 can you check something, please?
[09:11] <slickymasterWork> the docs aren't displaying the translators credits
[09:11] <ochosi> i'm a bit busy today, but if any of you could ping me when the b2 iso is available, that'd be great
[09:17] <slickymasterWork> if that end up happening ochosi, I'll do it gladly
[09:22] <slickymasterWork> knome: ^^ about the translation credits
[09:23] <knome> yes, noted the comment
[09:23] <knome> and boo
[09:23] <slickymasterWork> don't boo Unit193!!!
[09:23] <slickymasterWork> ;)
[09:32] <slickymasterWork> knome, still re: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-apps-translations there's one other app I remembered that might be included as 'Used by Xubuntu' which is Gigolo. What do you think?
[09:32] <slickymasterWork> I know it's just a GUI frontend for mount, but nonetheless 
[09:33] <knome> gigolo is an xfce project
[09:33] <slickymasterWork> ?! isn't it debian?
[09:35] <knome> nope, part of the xfce goodies package
[09:36] <slickymasterWork> ok, we're always learning :)
[09:50] <bluesabre> morning folks
[09:51] <knome> hey bluesabre 
[09:51] <bluesabre> hey knome
[09:52] <bluesabre> sucks that we are alphabetically last in line
[09:52] <knome> heh
[09:52] <knome> i guess it also saves us some headache
[09:52] <knome> if images are obviously bad, we don't even get testing before that so there's no false alarms
[09:52] <bluesabre> thats true
[09:53] <knome> it'd suck to be edubuntu ;)
[09:53] <slickymasterWork> morning bluesabre 
[09:54] <bluesabre> morning slickymasterWork
[09:54] <bluesabre> how are things?
[09:55] <slickymasterWork> alright
[09:55] <slickymasterWork> hope that you you too
[09:55] <slickymasterWork> - one you :P
[09:56] <bluesabre> yeah, its morning so I'm sneezing endlessly for a while, other than that, things are great... I actually got 7 hours of sleep last night :D
[09:56] <knome> i got like 5 hours good sleep
[09:56] <knome> then wife called from work and meh
[09:56] <knome> :P
[09:57] <slickymasterWork> allergies due to the beginning of autumn 
[09:57] <slickymasterWork> ?
[09:57] <bluesabre> yeah, I think so
[09:59] <slickymasterWork> bummer 
[09:59] <knome> better that than something worse
[10:00] <slickymasterWork> yeah, like having to work every day and not being able to surf instead :P
[10:02] <knome> ahahah
[11:05] <bluesabre> elfy: so we still have all these issues with the final beta, and it affects all flavors?
[11:11] <bluesabre> hadn't realized it, but looks like the isos are up
[11:12] <ochosi> they are?
[11:23] <bluesabre> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/324/builds/80014/downloads - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/324/builds/80015/downloads
[11:25]  * ochosi downloads
[11:25] <bluesabre> yesssss, virtualbox loaded without vt-switching
[11:26] <knome> :)
[11:27] <slickymasterWork> ochosi: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/324/builds beta 2 images are up
[11:27] <knome> slickymasterWork, heh, too late
[11:28] <knome> 14:11  bluesabre: hadn't realized it, but looks like the isos are up
[11:28] <knome> 14:12  ochosi: they are?
[11:28] <knome> 14:17 » slickymasterWork [c28ceece@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.140.238.206] has  quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[11:28] <knome> 14:23  bluesabre: 
[11:28] <knome> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/324/builds/80014/downloads - 
[11:28] <knome> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/324/builds/80015/downloads
[11:28] <knome> awwh stupid paste
[11:28] <ochosi> thanks for the ping though :)
[11:28] <knome> 14:25 * ochosi downloads
[11:28] <ochosi> knome: and thanks for the stupid paste ;)
[11:28] <bluesabre> pingggggg
[11:28] <slickymasterWork> damn stupid connectivity I have at work :P 
[11:29] <slickymasterWork> always getting timeouts
[11:32] <ochosi> 14.10 looks extremely perrrty by default :D
[11:32] <ochosi> nice work everyone!
[11:33] <bluesabre> did vbox work without a hitch for you as well?
[11:33] <ochosi> yup
[11:33] <bluesabre> elfy ^
[11:34] <ochosi> only issue i saw was the black ubiquity wallpaper issue
[11:35] <bluesabre> yup, that one is still hanging around
[11:35] <bluesabre> hopefully when this install finishes, lightdm will also work correctly
[11:35] <ochosi> not too sure what's up with that. in the past it was a matter of the ubiquity background setting code, iirc
[11:35] <bluesabre> I think its something that just has to break one per cycle
[11:35] <ochosi> :]
[11:43] <bluesabre> ochosi: don't forget to report your installation on the tracker ;)
[11:44] <ochosi> sure, already have the page open ;)
[11:54] <bluesabre> lightdm issue is still there
[12:00] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1371651 in case you missed it
[12:00] <bluesabre> gotta run now, bbl
[12:14] <elfy> knome: it'd be great to be edubuntu ... nothing to do till 16.04 ;)
[12:17] <knome> lol
[12:17] <ochosi> right, yeah, looks like i got the lightdm bug too
[12:18] <elfy> ochosi: if it's vm and one person's got it I would hope everyone does :)
[12:18] <ochosi> sure
[12:20] <elfy> I'll check it all out later on hardware as well
[12:21] <ochosi> so well, i can confirm the two known issues
[12:21] <ochosi> and the rest seems fine
[12:21] <ochosi> other than the installed version not working, it's all fine :D
[12:21] <elfy> yea - everything has been good except those things for ages :)
[12:23] <elfy> ind plugin is crashing again 
[12:40] <elfy> bbl
[13:06] <jjfrv8> Not sure if I have a new bug or not.  After 64-bit install, I get a black screen and can't do anything. After power off/on, get a kernel panic screen.
[13:07] <jjfrv8> 32-bit and live are okay.  This is on hardware.
[13:09] <ochosi> jjfrv8: that black screen on boot is lightdm failing, it's known
[13:10] <ochosi> in vms it happens with 32bit too
[13:10] <jjfrv8> But shouldn't I be able to switch out of it?
[13:18] <GridCube> wich iso is more crucial to test, i think i can download at least one
[13:34] <knome> GridCube, check the ISO tracker and see which has less tests done
[13:34] <knome> FWIW, it seems likely there will be rebuilds.
[13:41] <GridCube> oh, well, i started the amd64 download, lets see if it ends before i leave work
[14:30] <elfy> ochosi: if you've input all your test results to the tracker and "<ochosi> other than the installed version not working, it's all fine :D" how come you've not failed the test?
[14:31] <ochosi> elfy: maybe i've not paid enough attention when filling out the test
[14:31] <elfy> jjfrv8: go to vt1 and start the lightdm service - if it works then it's the same bug everyone is seeing
[14:31] <elfy> ochosi: ok - definitely a fail?
[14:31] <ochosi> well live session and install went fine
[14:31] <ochosi> only post-install didn't
[14:32] <elfy> the boot into the install failed yes? 
[14:32] <ochosi> yup, adding that one now
[14:32] <elfy> I've done it 
[14:32] <elfy> edited your pass one to a critical fail
[14:33] <ochosi> k, ty
[14:33] <elfy> welcome - just wanted to make sure it was a fail :)
[15:19] <xubuntu95w> Quick Question:  Are the daylies still b0rked or can they be installed?
[15:21] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu95w: both
[15:21] <slickymasterWork> they're still borked but they can be installed
[15:22] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu95w: Bug #1371651 is still present
[15:23] <slickymasterWork> so after installation you'd have to go to vt1 and start the lightdm service
[15:23] <xubuntu95w> ok. Better Question:  Would it be better to install the B1 and let the upgrade take effect or install the daylies (b)rked as they are? :)
[15:24] <GridCube> :)
[15:24] <GridCube> so besides the manual starting of lightdm service theres any other issue i should check?
[15:24] <slickymasterWork> if you're planning on something other than testing I wouldn't advise you eithrt
[15:24] <xubuntu95w> huh, I use autologin, so do I really care about lightdm?
[15:24] <slickymasterWork> s/ either
[15:25] <xubuntu95w> I can wait.
[15:26] <GridCube> elfy, the manual boot counts as a non-pass?
[15:26] <slickymasterWork> GridCube: just do the Post-install testcase and if you have same time you can do any of the http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/316/builds/67147/testcases ones
[15:26] <slickymasterWork> yes GridCube, if you have to manually force the boot
[15:26] <GridCube> alright
[15:28] <GridCube> slickymaster, i don't have the time to test those all, is there any particular one that needs reviewing?
[15:29] <GridCube> i like the new wallpaper :D
[15:29] <slickymasterWork> the ones in  Testsuite A GridCube ~
[15:30] <GridCube> P: i would like to see a version of it with the ears pointing the other side too
[15:30] <slickymasterWork> yeah, knome did a fabulous job on it
[15:37] <GridCube> :)
[16:15] <elfy> GridCube: yea - manually having to start the boot is a fail - the bug is a critical bug too :)
[16:15] <GridCube> done
[18:05] <Unit193> slickymaster: https://unit193.net/xubuntu/fi/ln-idp27021812.html - https://unit193.net/xubuntu/pt/ln-idp27648076.html
[18:33] <slickymaster> yes, Unit193, but they're not showing up niether in yesterday daily and today's beta
[18:33] <slickymaster> lol, knome is a great pt transçator
[18:33] <slickymaster> * translator
[18:34] <knome> very much
[18:35]  * slickymaster doesn't doubt knome's language skills
[18:35]  * slickymaster goes back to the kitchen to finish dinner
[18:36] <elfy> or finnish it
[18:37] <knome> ;)
[18:45] <elfy> re testcases - I have no way to do entire or resize tests on hardware, so if someone else does - tia :)
[19:04] <ochosi> evening all
[19:04] <knome> hello ochosi 
[19:08] <elfy> hi ochosi 
[19:09] <knome> Unit193, talk to me :P
[19:09] <knome> Unit193, why aren't the translator credits working?
[19:11] <slickymaster> hey ochosi 
[19:11] <ochosi> wow, everybody's here :)
[19:11] <knome> my mum isn't.
[19:11] <Unit193> knome: "I don't know translation stuff" is all I can figure out so far, everything looks good.
[19:11] <knome> Unit193, did you run a ISO test today?
[19:12] <Unit193> knome: Finishing up now, why?
[19:12] <knome> just wondering if you can confirm they worked or not
[19:12] <slickymaster> you won't see the credits on that iso Unit193 
[19:12] <knome> then why is that?
[19:12] <knome> is there something wrong in the build?
[19:12] <Unit193> Right, I know it fails, have it in the utopic system now.  Just saying, that the buildlog and deps all look right.
[19:12] <knome> i mean, at build time
[19:13] <slickymaster> something went wrong for sure knome 
[19:13] <knome> right
[19:14] <Unit193> I know where it fails, but not why.
[19:14] <knome> Unit193, will you look at it?
[19:14] <knome> aha :)
[19:14] <knome> tell me if i can help.
[19:14] <Unit193> Sure, TEXTDOMAIN/LANGUAGE vars are failing to take affect.
[19:14] <ochosi> knome: wait, was that a "my mum"-joke?
[19:15] <knome> ochosi, a mix between that and reality.
[19:17] <ochosi> knome: you're weird :)
[19:18] <knome> well my mum is weird.
[19:18] <slickymaster> lol ochosi there are worst 
[19:19] <knome> there are worse or they are the worst?
[19:21] <slickymaster> you choose knome 
[19:21] <knome> :P
[19:21] <Unit193> knome: On a utopic system?
[19:24] <knome> Unit193, nope, but if VM is ok, then tomorrow
[19:27] <Unit193> If you know what's missing for those vars, or if something is broken in utopic. :P
[19:28] <knome> why would i know that? :P
[19:30] <Unit193> You know weird stuff. :D
[19:40] <Unit193> [19:41] <Unit193> knome: Yeah, missing dep it looks like.
[19:50] <knome> Unit193, which dep?
[19:51] <Unit193> Something that's installed on a normal install.
[19:52] <knome> aren't utopic installs normal installs? :P
[19:52] <elfy> no
[19:52] <elfy> a normal install boots to a desktop knome :p
[19:52] <knome> hah
[19:52] <Unit193> knome: vs buildd chroot.
[19:52] <Unit193> elfy: So, do you have to start lightdm every boot?
[19:52] <knome> well i don't understand much of that ;)
[19:53] <bluesabre9> freenode webchat is having some serious issues today
[19:53] <ochosi> oh meh, but hi bluesabre9 :)
[19:53] <Unit193> bluesabre9: kiwi?
[19:53] <elfy> Unit193: in a vm on an install done since the bug appeared - yes
[19:53] <Unit193> Aha, just asked as second boot was using that other init, and didn't have the problem.
[19:54] <bluesabre8> maybe now
[19:55] <elfy> Unit193: so systemd boots ok?
[19:55] <Unit193> elfy: Yeppers, though didn't try to swich first boot after install.
[19:55] <elfy> k
[19:55] <elfy> useful information :)
[19:56] <bluesabre0> alrighty
[19:57] <knome> many blue sabres
[19:57] <Unit193> So we can duel.
[19:58] <bluesabre0> yes
[19:59] <elfy> Unit193: thanks for that snippet :)
[19:59] <Unit193> elfy: Sure thing.
[19:59] <Unit193> Not 100% sure it helps, as I'm already using out of repo sources.
[19:59] <elfy> well it works on one I installed an hour ago
[20:00] <Unit193> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[20:00] <Unit193> #chair ochosi knome
[20:00] <Unit193> Howdy and welcome to the Xubuntu community meeting.  Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[20:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 23 20:00:35 2014 UTC.  The chair is Unit193. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[20:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[20:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 knome ochosi
[20:00] <elfy> pfft
[20:00] <pleia2> o/
[20:00] <bluesabre0> o/
[20:01] <slickymaster> o/
[20:01] <knome> o/
[20:01] <ochosi> o/
[20:01] <bluesabre0> connection is shaky, but I'm here
[20:01] <Unit193> Think that's everyone.
[20:01] <Unit193> #topic Open action items
[20:02] <Unit193> So we have: Review artwork for UIF  that done then?
[20:02] <ochosi> yup
[20:02] <knome> yep
[20:02] <Unit193> So, do we #done that?
[20:03] <knome> if you wish, or just not mention it
[20:03] <ochosi> yeah, let's just never speak of this again ;)
[20:03] <Unit193> Then: marketing team to support Xfce's bug bounty program by informing people via website and social media
[20:04] <ochosi> i did see something about that on g+
[20:04] <ochosi> pleia2?
[20:04] <Unit193> I remember seeing something earlier this week on that.
[20:04] <pleia2> oh yes, that's done
[20:04] <pleia2> #done marketing team social mediaed the bounty program
[20:04] <slickymaster> lol
[20:04] <Unit193> Yey!
[20:04] <Unit193> #topic Team updates
[20:04] <Unit193> Free for all.
[20:05] <knome> there was somebody whining about that in twitter
[20:05] <elfy> awesome - we get a new word too :)
[20:05] <knome> the bounty program, not team updates
[20:05] <Unit193> bluesabre0: Recent uploads?
[20:05] <knome> they were concerned that "rich people" just get their feature requests landed and it makes xubuntu less equal..
[20:06] <bluesabre0> recent uploads: xubuntu-artwork, xubuntu-default-settings, xubuntu-docs
[20:06] <Unit193> Heh, that's upstream Xfce, not really Xubuntu feature requests.
[20:06] <knome> Unit193, yes.
[20:06] <Unit193> bluesabre0: #info ?
[20:06] <pleia2> #info marketing team created a Donations page for folks who want to know how to finacially support Xubuntu http://xubuntu.org/donations/
[20:07] <ochosi> knome: really? i guess i should get a twitter account one day...
[20:07] <knome> #info ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu was updated for 14.10
[20:07] <bluesabre0> #info recent uploads: xubuntu-artwork, xubuntu-default-settings, xubuntu-docs, catfish, menulibre, light-locker-settings
[20:07] <slickymaster> pink ftw
[20:07] <Unit193> elfy: Anything from QA?
[20:07] <elfy> yep
[20:07] <ochosi> #info Everything is now pink!
[20:07] <ochosi> #undo
[20:07] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: INFO
[20:07] <ochosi> ;)
[20:08] <elfy> #info Core Testing - that's worked out nicely and we've had more reports for that than beta 1
[20:08] <Unit193> Wow.
[20:08] <ochosi> \o/
[20:08] <ochosi> congrats Unit193 and elfy 
[20:08] <knome> #info 14.10 installations on virtual machines are still broken, QA team looks into it
[20:08] <elfy> # Beta 2 testing - currently everyone is having problems with lightdm - possibly going to get some respins
[20:08] <knome> yes, good work!
[20:09] <elfy> BUT
[20:09] <elfy> I do not want that to stop people testing - it's not an excuse for team to not test
[20:09] <elfy> I hope we get better reports from us for this beta
[20:10] <elfy> #info Elfy will be cross
[20:10] <ochosi> :}
[20:10] <bluesabre0> haha
[20:10] <ochosi> well first we need betas that run post-install i guess
[20:10] <elfy> #action Team to test beta regardless of lightdm issue - it can be booted to desktop afterwards - workaround is on the mailing list
[20:10] <meetingology> ACTION: Team to test beta regardless of lightdm issue - it can be booted to desktop afterwards - workaround is on the mailing list
[20:10] <slickymaster> I don't see a reason why post-install shouldn't be runned
[20:11] <Unit193> elfy: You seem to have missed '#info'.
[20:11] <knome> elfy, i've zsynced stuff and scheduled time for tomorrow, so unless something really critical work-related pops up..
[20:11] <bluesabre0> any word from lightdm folks about a possible fix before thursday?
[20:11] <knome> slickymaster, s/runned/ran/
[20:11] <elfy> bluesabre0: I've not asked
[20:11] <slickymaster> yeah
[20:11] <bluesabre0> ok
[20:11] <ochosi> bluesabre0: last time i looked, robert was still asking for logs
[20:11] <elfy> knome: yea - I understand - but we've got till Thursday evening - tomorrow is only Wednesday
[20:11] <knome> bluesabre0, we've been talking about this in #ubuntu-quality, so people know our concerns...
[20:11] <ochosi> which seemingly aren't there
[20:12] <knome> elfy, yes, about thursday i'm not so sure so better do something tomorrow ;)
[20:12] <elfy> ochosi: you can't get lightdm logs at the point of fail
[20:12] <bluesabre0> yeah, no logs are generated
[20:12] <ochosi> yup
[20:12] <ochosi> isn't that what i said? :)
[20:12] <knome> somebody said lightdm wasn't even starting in ubuntu
[20:12] <ochosi> at least we're not the only ones...
[20:12] <elfy> ochosi: you said thaqt when I was typing 
[20:12] <elfy> :)
[20:12] <knome> ochosi, repetitio mater studiorum est
[20:13] <elfy> knome: lightdm in vm isn't starting for anyone 
[20:13] <ochosi> knome: right, and variatio delectat (i.e. say it in as many ways as possible)
[20:13] <elfy> #info lightdm bug only appears to be affecting vm's
[20:13] <knome> ochosi, and: quod scripsi, scripsi (elfy's reply)
[20:14] <ochosi> knome: hehe, let's continue the latin-battle post-meeting
[20:14] <knome> elfy, i mean if it's not starting, how could it produce logs :D
[20:14] <elfy> oh right 
[20:14] <elfy> anyway - all from me for now :)
[20:14] <Unit193> Alright.  That it for team updates?  Seems the discussion iteams were talked about last time, need to rehash still?
[20:14] <knome> unless it was crashing at startup
[20:14] <ochosi> elfy: if i'm not mistaken, jjfrv8 said he also saw it on one of two hw installs
[20:14] <knome> hr hr :|
[20:15] <elfy> oh one more thing from me 
[20:15] <elfy> #info b2 tests - hardware entire and auto-resize are priority if possible 
[20:16] <knome> i *might* be able to run one
[20:16] <elfy> knome: I don't see any reports from jjfrv8 re fails 
[20:17] <knome> elfy, i wasn't the one who said that
[20:17] <elfy> knome: ack
[20:17] <knome> but i saw jjfrv8 saying that
[20:17] <elfy> well it's not reported as such
[20:17] <knome> 16:06  jjfrv8: Not sure if I have a new bug or not.  After 64-bit install, I get a black screen and can't do anything. After power off/on, get a kernel panic screen.
[20:17]  * skellat checks in rather late for the meeting
[20:17] <bluesabre0> no extra machines for me atm...
[20:17] <slickymaster> but he didn't report any failures in the tracker
[20:17] <knome> wait, you saw it as well elfy..
[20:17] <knome> aha
[20:17] <elfy> yea saw that
[20:17] <Unit193> Same here, bluesabre0.
[20:18] <elfy> but I'm not going to remember all that people say when I'm not here - I'll be working from the tracker :)
[20:18] <knome> fair engouh
[20:18] <knome> enough too
[20:18] <bluesabre0> :)
[20:18] <ochosi> yeah, i agree, ppl should report their tests
[20:19] <knome> jack usually reports, so maybe that was some kind of mistake
[20:19] <elfy> knome: yep agreed 
[20:19] <ochosi> elfy: i don't have an extra computer at the moment, so auto-resize and entire won't be doable for me on hw
[20:20] <elfy> I think if people are seeing lightdm fails in hardware it's really important to note it in the bug 
[20:20] <elfy> ochosi: same here - the one I usually use is dead atm
[20:21] <knome> elfy, i guess one more bug to file against the tracker... notifications per product
[20:22] <elfy> not sure I understand - but we could have 5 mins later if you've time
[20:22] <Unit193> Alright, so if there are no objections, I believe we'll move on.
[20:23] <elfy> wfm
[20:23] <Unit193> #topic Discussion items
[20:23] <Unit193> #subtopic Review and discuss default configuration
[20:24] <bluesabre0> I think thats done and over with... unless there are any other complaints?
[20:24] <Unit193> #undo
[20:24] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: SUBTOPIC
[20:24] <Unit193> #subtopic QA Incentives
[20:24] <knome> yeah, that's fine.
[20:25] <elfy> has anyone anything else to add to that discussion?
[20:25] <Unit193> Agenda had further discussion on that one, so figured might be.
[20:25] <knome> qa incentives?
[20:25] <skellat> Nothing at this point from my end so far
[20:26] <ochosi> elfy: wanna #info the link to the pad again?
[20:26] <elfy> knome: http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive 
[20:26] <elfy> ochosi: :p
[20:26] <knome> i think it's a good idea as long as we clearly decide what we will be offering and make sure we have the resources to get those.
[20:26] <elfy> #info http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive
[20:26] <ochosi> well line 39 still needs and answer imo
[20:27] <ochosi> just to know how far we would get and how soon we would have to think of new ways to get funding
[20:29] <knome> i'd say 3-4 cycles.
[20:29] <knome> depending how much stickers we can get for free during that period
[20:29] <knome> plus the books
[20:30] <pleia2> stickers and books are pretty much immediately available, t-shirts take longer
[20:30] <knome> yes
[20:30] <skellat> Pursuant to all sorts of US federal regulations, I have to formally stipulate that I am not giving tax advice or tax law counsel with respect to any discussion of financial matters.
[20:30] <skellat> That being said, we do need to ensure that while we do this we do not also create any liabilities for anybody.  It may be a small amount of money now but planning ahead is appropriate.
[20:30] <skellat> Besides, can we do some other form of trinket like ink pens in addition to stickers?
[20:30] <skellat> Or even key fobs?
[20:31] <pleia2> can add ideas to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects
[20:31] <knome> unixstickers.com currently handles the stickers, so if we wanted some other office stuff, we'd need to get a vendor
[20:31] <pleia2> but finding high quality vendors is a whole process
[20:31] <knome> yes, especially considering the shipping can't be $50 to europe.
[20:31] <knome> or the US.
[20:31] <skellat> That's why I wanted to throw the ideas out there
[20:31] <bluesabre0> yeah, looking at you ubuntu store
[20:31] <knome> pleia2, do you still have the ping-pong-ball machine?
[20:32] <elfy> I'd be inclined to stick with what we have for the moment and carry on thinking - we can always add later
[20:32] <ochosi> weeee, ping-pong balls
[20:32] <ochosi> yeah
[20:32] <knome> as a conclusion,
[20:32] <ochosi> i agree
[20:32] <elfy> it's more about recognition in my opinion than what it is physically
[20:32] <knome> i think it's ok to give away anything as prizes that are official marketing assets
[20:32] <knome> yes, that
[20:33] <pleia2> I do
[20:33] <elfy> you do what?
[20:33] <pleia2> have the ping pong ball machine!
[20:33] <knome> pleia2, then that's one relatively cheap option.
[20:33] <elfy> pleia2: aah
[20:33] <knome> i can even make custom SVG's with winner names or sth
[20:33] <pleia2> not in terms of my time :) and I don't know how to ship them
[20:33] <knome> pleia2, right, that of course... feel free to opt-out :)
[20:34] <pleia2> it's kind of a finicky thing
[20:34] <knome> pleia2, put in bubble-wrap, ship
[20:34] <knome> if it breaks, ship again
[20:34] <knome> :D
[20:34] <elfy> without the needle the second time
[20:34] <pleia2> hehe
[20:34] <bluesabre0> haha
[20:34] <knome> maybe we could look into printing onto balloons :PP
[20:34] <knome> those would be easier to ship
[20:35] <elfy> not sure he'd like that knome 
[20:35] <knome> not inflated, that is
[20:35] <skellat> But would Mr. Skaggs be okay with being printed on?
[20:35] <knome> i'm sure he'd do that for the community.
[20:35] <elfy> :)
[20:35] <bluesabre0> :D
[20:35] <knome> anyway, let's move on
[20:35] <elfy> yep
[20:35] <Unit193> #topic Announcements
[20:36] <Unit193> #info Beta 2 on the 25th
[20:37] <elfy> if we're lucky
[20:37] <skellat> #info skellat remains on AskUbuntu patrol and even brought up an issue there relative to our flavor: http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/11946/tagging-xubuntu-when-ubuntu-is-meant
[20:37] <Unit193> Anyone?
[20:37] <elfy> no announcements from here
[20:37] <bluesabre0> any freezes around the corner?
[20:38] <bluesabre0> nope, not really
[20:38] <knome> nope
[20:38] <skellat> bluesabre0, I think the Kernel team have one coming up
[20:38] <Unit193> Next one is final, so that'll be a bit.
[20:38] <knome> next freeze is final freeze on oct 16
[20:38] <knome> heh
[20:38] <knome> fwiw,
[20:38] <slickymaster> on october, 9 -> kernel freeze
[20:38] <knome> #info All affecting freezes are added to the team calendar at http://xubuntu.org/team-calendar/
[20:39] <knome> slickymaster, not affecting us
[20:39] <Unit193> At least directly.  So who's next for the meeting?
[20:39] <elfy> slickymaster 
[20:40] <knome> slickymaster, want to schedule now?
[20:40] <elfy> might be useful to have one next week post beta
[20:40] <slickymaster> nopes, not yet
[20:40] <skellat> #info Questions that need answering if people are not busy: http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/xubuntu
[20:40] <knome> elfy, yep.
[20:40] <Unit193> #action slickymaster to schedule the next meeting.
[20:40] <meetingology> ACTION: slickymaster to schedule the next meeting.
[20:40] <knome> slickymaster, once you are ready, ping me and i'll add it to the calendar
[20:41] <slickymaster> thanks knome, but there's no need, I can do it
[20:41] <ochosi> nice
[20:41] <Unit193> Any objections?
[20:41] <knome> slickymaster, oki!
[20:41] <knome> nope
[20:41] <Unit193> #endmeeting
[20:41] <Unit193> Thanks for being here.
[20:41] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 23 20:42:03 2014 UTC.  
[20:41] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-09-23-20.00.moin.txt
[20:42] <elfy> thanks Unit193 :)
[20:42] <slickymaster> thanks Unit193 
[20:42] <pleia2> thanks Unit193 
[20:42] <bluesabre0> thanks Unit193, nice meeting
[20:42] <bluesabre0> :D
[20:42] <bluesabre0> bbl
[20:43] <knome> ta
[20:43] <Unit193> Welcome.
[20:49] <Unit193> So I'm only to send a stub, not the actual summary to the list?
[20:52] <ochosi> thanks Unit193 
[20:52] <knome> either works from my POV
[20:57] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-September/010422.html
[21:05] <elfy> night all
[21:05] <Unit193> G'night.
[21:06] <knome> nighty elfy 
[21:54] <Unit193> bluesabre: FYI. Standards-version 3.9.6 was released, but I believe Ubuntu is going to generally follow .5 for utopic: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist