[00:33] what did I miss? [00:34] nothing i guess [00:35] I saw the translations pad [00:35] anything for release notes, or are we doing those on the site? [00:35] a pad would be good i guess [00:36] looks like beta is not on the iso tracker yet :( [00:37] i thought pleia2 was downloading the ISOs but maybe i misunderstood [00:38] no, that's why I was frowning [00:38] aha [06:41] images building shortly [07:31] ochosi bluesabre knome - http://pad.ubuntu.com/b2notes [09:02] morning everyone [09:07] oi elfy [09:07] hai ochosi [09:07] hey folks [09:10] Unit193 can you check something, please? [09:11] the docs aren't displaying the translators credits [09:11] i'm a bit busy today, but if any of you could ping me when the b2 iso is available, that'd be great [09:17] if that end up happening ochosi, I'll do it gladly [09:22] knome: ^^ about the translation credits [09:23] yes, noted the comment [09:23] and boo [09:23] don't boo Unit193!!! [09:23] ;) [09:32] knome, still re: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-apps-translations there's one other app I remembered that might be included as 'Used by Xubuntu' which is Gigolo. What do you think? [09:32] I know it's just a GUI frontend for mount, but nonetheless [09:33] gigolo is an xfce project [09:33] ?! isn't it debian? [09:35] nope, part of the xfce goodies package [09:36] ok, we're always learning :) [09:50] morning folks [09:51] hey bluesabre [09:51] hey knome [09:52] sucks that we are alphabetically last in line [09:52] heh [09:52] i guess it also saves us some headache [09:52] if images are obviously bad, we don't even get testing before that so there's no false alarms [09:52] thats true [09:53] it'd suck to be edubuntu ;) [09:53] morning bluesabre [09:54] morning slickymasterWork [09:54] how are things? [09:55] alright [09:55] hope that you you too [09:55] - one you :P [09:56] yeah, its morning so I'm sneezing endlessly for a while, other than that, things are great... I actually got 7 hours of sleep last night :D [09:56] i got like 5 hours good sleep [09:56] then wife called from work and meh [09:56] :P [09:57] allergies due to the beginning of autumn [09:57] ? [09:57] yeah, I think so [09:59] bummer [09:59] better that than something worse [10:00] yeah, like having to work every day and not being able to surf instead :P [10:02] ahahah [11:05] elfy: so we still have all these issues with the final beta, and it affects all flavors? [11:11] hadn't realized it, but looks like the isos are up [11:12] they are? [11:23] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/324/builds/80014/downloads - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/324/builds/80015/downloads [11:25] * ochosi downloads [11:25] yesssss, virtualbox loaded without vt-switching [11:26] :) [11:27] ochosi: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/324/builds beta 2 images are up [11:27] slickymasterWork, heh, too late [11:28] 14:11 bluesabre: hadn't realized it, but looks like the isos are up [11:28] 14:12 ochosi: they are? [11:28] 14:17 » slickymasterWork [c28ceece@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.140.238.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] [11:28] 14:23 bluesabre: [11:28] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/324/builds/80014/downloads - [11:28] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/324/builds/80015/downloads [11:28] awwh stupid paste [11:28] thanks for the ping though :) [11:28] 14:25 * ochosi downloads [11:28] knome: and thanks for the stupid paste ;) [11:28] pingggggg [11:28] damn stupid connectivity I have at work :P [11:29] always getting timeouts [11:32] 14.10 looks extremely perrrty by default :D [11:32] nice work everyone! [11:33] did vbox work without a hitch for you as well? [11:33] yup [11:33] elfy ^ [11:34] only issue i saw was the black ubiquity wallpaper issue [11:35] yup, that one is still hanging around [11:35] hopefully when this install finishes, lightdm will also work correctly [11:35] not too sure what's up with that. in the past it was a matter of the ubiquity background setting code, iirc [11:35] I think its something that just has to break one per cycle [11:35] :] [11:43] ochosi: don't forget to report your installation on the tracker ;) [11:44] sure, already have the page open ;) [11:54] lightdm issue is still there [12:00] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1371651 in case you missed it [12:00] Launchpad bug 1371651 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Daily does not boot into graphical interface after installation" [Critical,Confirmed] [12:00] gotta run now, bbl [12:14] knome: it'd be great to be edubuntu ... nothing to do till 16.04 ;) [12:17] lol [12:17] right, yeah, looks like i got the lightdm bug too [12:18] ochosi: if it's vm and one person's got it I would hope everyone does :) [12:18] sure [12:20] I'll check it all out later on hardware as well [12:21] so well, i can confirm the two known issues [12:21] and the rest seems fine [12:21] other than the installed version not working, it's all fine :D [12:21] yea - everything has been good except those things for ages :) [12:23] ind plugin is crashing again [12:40] bbl [13:06] Not sure if I have a new bug or not. After 64-bit install, I get a black screen and can't do anything. After power off/on, get a kernel panic screen. [13:07] 32-bit and live are okay. This is on hardware. [13:09] jjfrv8: that black screen on boot is lightdm failing, it's known [13:10] in vms it happens with 32bit too [13:10] But shouldn't I be able to switch out of it? [13:18] wich iso is more crucial to test, i think i can download at least one [13:34] GridCube, check the ISO tracker and see which has less tests done [13:34] FWIW, it seems likely there will be rebuilds. [13:41] oh, well, i started the amd64 download, lets see if it ends before i leave work [14:30] ochosi: if you've input all your test results to the tracker and " other than the installed version not working, it's all fine :D" how come you've not failed the test? [14:31] elfy: maybe i've not paid enough attention when filling out the test [14:31] jjfrv8: go to vt1 and start the lightdm service - if it works then it's the same bug everyone is seeing [14:31] ochosi: ok - definitely a fail? [14:31] well live session and install went fine [14:31] only post-install didn't [14:32] the boot into the install failed yes? [14:32] yup, adding that one now [14:32] I've done it [14:32] edited your pass one to a critical fail [14:33] k, ty [14:33] welcome - just wanted to make sure it was a fail :) [15:19] Quick Question: Are the daylies still b0rked or can they be installed? [15:21] xubuntu95w: both [15:21] they're still borked but they can be installed [15:22] xubuntu95w: Bug #1371651 is still present [15:22] bug 1371651 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Daily does not boot into graphical interface after installation" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1371651 [15:23] so after installation you'd have to go to vt1 and start the lightdm service [15:23] ok. Better Question: Would it be better to install the B1 and let the upgrade take effect or install the daylies (b)rked as they are? :) [15:24] :) [15:24] so besides the manual starting of lightdm service theres any other issue i should check? [15:24] if you're planning on something other than testing I wouldn't advise you eithrt [15:24] huh, I use autologin, so do I really care about lightdm? [15:24] s/ either [15:25] I can wait. [15:26] elfy, the manual boot counts as a non-pass? [15:26] GridCube: just do the Post-install testcase and if you have same time you can do any of the http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/316/builds/67147/testcases ones [15:26] yes GridCube, if you have to manually force the boot [15:26] alright [15:28] slickymaster, i don't have the time to test those all, is there any particular one that needs reviewing? [15:29] i like the new wallpaper :D [15:29] the ones in Testsuite A GridCube ~ [15:30] P: i would like to see a version of it with the ears pointing the other side too [15:30] yeah, knome did a fabulous job on it [15:37] :) [16:15] GridCube: yea - manually having to start the boot is a fail - the bug is a critical bug too :) [16:15] done [18:05] slickymaster: https://unit193.net/xubuntu/fi/ln-idp27021812.html - https://unit193.net/xubuntu/pt/ln-idp27648076.html [18:33] yes, Unit193, but they're not showing up niether in yesterday daily and today's beta [18:33] lol, knome is a great pt transçator [18:33] * translator [18:34] very much [18:35] * slickymaster doesn't doubt knome's language skills [18:35] * slickymaster goes back to the kitchen to finish dinner [18:36] or finnish it [18:37] ;) [18:45] re testcases - I have no way to do entire or resize tests on hardware, so if someone else does - tia :) [19:04] evening all [19:04] hello ochosi [19:08] hi ochosi [19:09] Unit193, talk to me :P [19:09] Unit193, why aren't the translator credits working? [19:11] hey ochosi [19:11] wow, everybody's here :) [19:11] my mum isn't. [19:11] knome: "I don't know translation stuff" is all I can figure out so far, everything looks good. [19:11] Unit193, did you run a ISO test today? [19:12] knome: Finishing up now, why? [19:12] just wondering if you can confirm they worked or not [19:12] you won't see the credits on that iso Unit193 [19:12] then why is that? [19:12] is there something wrong in the build? [19:12] Right, I know it fails, have it in the utopic system now. Just saying, that the buildlog and deps all look right. [19:12] i mean, at build time [19:13] something went wrong for sure knome [19:13] right [19:14] I know where it fails, but not why. [19:14] Unit193, will you look at it? [19:14] aha :) [19:14] tell me if i can help. [19:14] Sure, TEXTDOMAIN/LANGUAGE vars are failing to take affect. [19:14] knome: wait, was that a "my mum"-joke? [19:15] ochosi, a mix between that and reality. [19:17] knome: you're weird :) [19:18] well my mum is weird. [19:18] lol ochosi there are worst [19:19] there are worse or they are the worst? [19:21] you choose knome [19:21] :P [19:21] knome: On a utopic system? [19:24] Unit193, nope, but if VM is ok, then tomorrow [19:27] If you know what's missing for those vars, or if something is broken in utopic. :P [19:28] why would i know that? :P [19:30] You know weird stuff. :D [19:40] === Xubuntu community meeting in 20 minutes @ #xubuntu-devel === [19:41] knome: Yeah, missing dep it looks like. [19:50] Unit193, which dep? [19:51] Something that's installed on a normal install. [19:52] aren't utopic installs normal installs? :P [19:52] no [19:52] a normal install boots to a desktop knome :p [19:52] hah [19:52] knome: vs buildd chroot. [19:52] elfy: So, do you have to start lightdm every boot? [19:52] well i don't understand much of that ;) [19:53] freenode webchat is having some serious issues today [19:53] oh meh, but hi bluesabre9 :) [19:53] bluesabre9: kiwi? [19:53] Unit193: in a vm on an install done since the bug appeared - yes [19:53] Aha, just asked as second boot was using that other init, and didn't have the problem. [19:54] maybe now [19:55] Unit193: so systemd boots ok? [19:55] elfy: Yeppers, though didn't try to swich first boot after install. [19:55] k [19:55] useful information :) === bluesabre8 is now known as bluesabre1 === bluesabre1 is now known as bluesabre0 [19:56] alrighty [19:57] many blue sabres [19:57] So we can duel. [19:58] yes [19:59] Unit193: thanks for that snippet :) [19:59] elfy: Sure thing. [19:59] Not 100% sure it helps, as I'm already using out of repo sources. [19:59] well it works on one I installed an hour ago [20:00] #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting [20:00] #chair ochosi knome [20:00] Howdy and welcome to the Xubuntu community meeting. Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [20:00] Meeting started Tue Sep 23 20:00:35 2014 UTC. The chair is Unit193. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [20:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [20:00] Current chairs: Unit193 knome ochosi [20:00] pfft [20:00] o/ [20:00] o/ [20:01] o/ [20:01] o/ [20:01] o/ [20:01] connection is shaky, but I'm here [20:01] Think that's everyone. [20:01] #topic Open action items [20:02] So we have: Review artwork for UIF that done then? [20:02] yup [20:02] yep [20:02] So, do we #done that? [20:03] if you wish, or just not mention it [20:03] yeah, let's just never speak of this again ;) [20:03] Then: marketing team to support Xfce's bug bounty program by informing people via website and social media [20:04] i did see something about that on g+ [20:04] pleia2? [20:04] I remember seeing something earlier this week on that. [20:04] oh yes, that's done [20:04] #done marketing team social mediaed the bounty program [20:04] lol [20:04] Yey! [20:04] #topic Team updates [20:04] Free for all. [20:05] there was somebody whining about that in twitter [20:05] awesome - we get a new word too :) [20:05] the bounty program, not team updates [20:05] bluesabre0: Recent uploads? [20:05] they were concerned that "rich people" just get their feature requests landed and it makes xubuntu less equal.. [20:06] recent uploads: xubuntu-artwork, xubuntu-default-settings, xubuntu-docs [20:06] Heh, that's upstream Xfce, not really Xubuntu feature requests. [20:06] Unit193, yes. [20:06] bluesabre0: #info ? [20:06] #info marketing team created a Donations page for folks who want to know how to finacially support Xubuntu http://xubuntu.org/donations/ [20:07] knome: really? i guess i should get a twitter account one day... [20:07] #info ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu was updated for 14.10 [20:07] #info recent uploads: xubuntu-artwork, xubuntu-default-settings, xubuntu-docs, catfish, menulibre, light-locker-settings [20:07] pink ftw [20:07] elfy: Anything from QA? [20:07] yep [20:07] #info Everything is now pink! [20:07] #undo [20:07] Removing item from minutes: INFO [20:07] ;) [20:08] #info Core Testing - that's worked out nicely and we've had more reports for that than beta 1 [20:08] Wow. [20:08] \o/ [20:08] congrats Unit193 and elfy [20:08] #info 14.10 installations on virtual machines are still broken, QA team looks into it [20:08] # Beta 2 testing - currently everyone is having problems with lightdm - possibly going to get some respins [20:08] yes, good work! [20:09] BUT [20:09] I do not want that to stop people testing - it's not an excuse for team to not test [20:09] I hope we get better reports from us for this beta [20:10] #info Elfy will be cross [20:10] :} [20:10] haha [20:10] well first we need betas that run post-install i guess [20:10] #action Team to test beta regardless of lightdm issue - it can be booted to desktop afterwards - workaround is on the mailing list [20:10] ACTION: Team to test beta regardless of lightdm issue - it can be booted to desktop afterwards - workaround is on the mailing list [20:10] I don't see a reason why post-install shouldn't be runned [20:11] elfy: You seem to have missed '#info'. [20:11] elfy, i've zsynced stuff and scheduled time for tomorrow, so unless something really critical work-related pops up.. [20:11] any word from lightdm folks about a possible fix before thursday? [20:11] slickymaster, s/runned/ran/ [20:11] bluesabre0: I've not asked [20:11] yeah [20:11] ok [20:11] bluesabre0: last time i looked, robert was still asking for logs [20:11] knome: yea - I understand - but we've got till Thursday evening - tomorrow is only Wednesday [20:11] bluesabre0, we've been talking about this in #ubuntu-quality, so people know our concerns... [20:11] which seemingly aren't there [20:12] elfy, yes, about thursday i'm not so sure so better do something tomorrow ;) [20:12] ochosi: you can't get lightdm logs at the point of fail [20:12] yeah, no logs are generated [20:12] yup [20:12] isn't that what i said? :) [20:12] somebody said lightdm wasn't even starting in ubuntu [20:12] at least we're not the only ones... [20:12] ochosi: you said thaqt when I was typing [20:12] :) [20:12] ochosi, repetitio mater studiorum est [20:13] knome: lightdm in vm isn't starting for anyone [20:13] knome: right, and variatio delectat (i.e. say it in as many ways as possible) [20:13] #info lightdm bug only appears to be affecting vm's [20:13] ochosi, and: quod scripsi, scripsi (elfy's reply) [20:14] knome: hehe, let's continue the latin-battle post-meeting [20:14] elfy, i mean if it's not starting, how could it produce logs :D [20:14] oh right [20:14] anyway - all from me for now :) [20:14] Alright. That it for team updates? Seems the discussion iteams were talked about last time, need to rehash still? [20:14] unless it was crashing at startup [20:14] elfy: if i'm not mistaken, jjfrv8 said he also saw it on one of two hw installs [20:14] hr hr :| [20:15] oh one more thing from me [20:15] #info b2 tests - hardware entire and auto-resize are priority if possible [20:16] i *might* be able to run one [20:16] knome: I don't see any reports from jjfrv8 re fails [20:17] elfy, i wasn't the one who said that [20:17] knome: ack [20:17] but i saw jjfrv8 saying that [20:17] well it's not reported as such [20:17] 16:06 jjfrv8: Not sure if I have a new bug or not. After 64-bit install, I get a black screen and can't do anything. After power off/on, get a kernel panic screen. [20:17] * skellat checks in rather late for the meeting [20:17] no extra machines for me atm... [20:17] but he didn't report any failures in the tracker [20:17] wait, you saw it as well elfy.. [20:17] aha [20:17] yea saw that [20:17] Same here, bluesabre0. [20:18] but I'm not going to remember all that people say when I'm not here - I'll be working from the tracker :) [20:18] fair engouh [20:18] enough too [20:18] :) [20:18] yeah, i agree, ppl should report their tests [20:19] jack usually reports, so maybe that was some kind of mistake [20:19] knome: yep agreed [20:19] elfy: i don't have an extra computer at the moment, so auto-resize and entire won't be doable for me on hw [20:20] I think if people are seeing lightdm fails in hardware it's really important to note it in the bug [20:20] ochosi: same here - the one I usually use is dead atm [20:21] elfy, i guess one more bug to file against the tracker... notifications per product [20:22] not sure I understand - but we could have 5 mins later if you've time [20:22] Alright, so if there are no objections, I believe we'll move on. [20:23] wfm [20:23] #topic Discussion items [20:23] #subtopic Review and discuss default configuration [20:24] I think thats done and over with... unless there are any other complaints? [20:24] #undo [20:24] Removing item from minutes: SUBTOPIC [20:24] #subtopic QA Incentives [20:24] yeah, that's fine. [20:25] has anyone anything else to add to that discussion? [20:25] Agenda had further discussion on that one, so figured might be. [20:25] qa incentives? [20:25] Nothing at this point from my end so far [20:26] elfy: wanna #info the link to the pad again? [20:26] knome: http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive [20:26] ochosi: :p [20:26] i think it's a good idea as long as we clearly decide what we will be offering and make sure we have the resources to get those. [20:26] #info http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive [20:26] well line 39 still needs and answer imo [20:27] just to know how far we would get and how soon we would have to think of new ways to get funding [20:29] i'd say 3-4 cycles. [20:29] depending how much stickers we can get for free during that period [20:29] plus the books [20:30] stickers and books are pretty much immediately available, t-shirts take longer [20:30] yes [20:30] Pursuant to all sorts of US federal regulations, I have to formally stipulate that I am not giving tax advice or tax law counsel with respect to any discussion of financial matters. [20:30] That being said, we do need to ensure that while we do this we do not also create any liabilities for anybody. It may be a small amount of money now but planning ahead is appropriate. [20:30] Besides, can we do some other form of trinket like ink pens in addition to stickers? [20:30] Or even key fobs? [20:31] can add ideas to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects [20:31] unixstickers.com currently handles the stickers, so if we wanted some other office stuff, we'd need to get a vendor [20:31] but finding high quality vendors is a whole process [20:31] yes, especially considering the shipping can't be $50 to europe. [20:31] or the US. [20:31] That's why I wanted to throw the ideas out there [20:31] yeah, looking at you ubuntu store [20:31] pleia2, do you still have the ping-pong-ball machine? [20:32] I'd be inclined to stick with what we have for the moment and carry on thinking - we can always add later [20:32] weeee, ping-pong balls [20:32] yeah [20:32] as a conclusion, [20:32] i agree [20:32] it's more about recognition in my opinion than what it is physically [20:32] i think it's ok to give away anything as prizes that are official marketing assets [20:32] yes, that [20:33]